Re: Re:American College of Medical Toxicology Position Statem...

[Guest guest]

Haley,

I agree with you, most are not actively taking part in the deceit. Many do

not understand and are simply parroting what they are told. But....there ARE

MANY WHO DO UNDERSTAND and have chosen to not get involved and remain silent

while the lives of many are being devastated.

To me, this last group is more at fault than those who have written and

systematically promoted this false concept. At least they are honest whores

not

trying to hide from who they are. This situation would never be occurring

were it not for those who have been willing to turn a blind eye while claiming

they have done nothing wrong and it's not their problem.

To me, this last group is synonymous with someone who witnesses a gang rape,

chooses not to get involved and still sleeps at night because they simply

view themselves as one who was not the perpetrator.

Evil flourishes when good men stand by and do nothing. And there are many

good men standing by and doing nothing to remove the KNOWN deceit from the mold

issue.

Sharon K.

In a message dated 2/11/2008 11:31:15 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

myhaze@... writes:

I'll agree and point out that there are *thankfully* just a small number of

*criminal* doctors (by this I mean that they are deliberately making junk

science to line their pocketbooks by depriving us of access to assistance and

healthcare). There are, however, just enough to confuse the others who aren't

paying full attention - most of those who are ignorant are not themselves

liars. Doesn't excuse their ignorance and their cruelty to their patients, but

most of them are not criminal.

~Haley

[Guest guest]

I agree that there are many good Drs. and I also believe that they fully

understand but don't want to get involved. They may have to stick their neck

out

a little, fill out more forms, write a few extra letters or God forbid be

called into court! They don't want to do any more than they have to and that

certainly is criminal! I worked for Drs. yrs. ago and many of the new ones

wanted the big houses and cars right away. Gone are the days that most are in

the medical field for the true purpose of healing.

The research and facts are out there and it doesn't take a rocket scientist

to figure it out. To present the symptoms, that many of us have to a Dr.,

and then be told it must be a virus or stress is just a cop out. Take a few

pills and go home and rest!

There are not enough good physicians. like Dr. Shoemaker & others who take

the time to really listen and help those of us who are sick.

S

To me, this last group is synonymous with someone who witnesses a gang rape,

chooses not to get involved and still sleeps at night because they simply

view themselves as one who was not the perpetrator.

Evil flourishes when good men stand by and do nothing. And there are many

good men standing by and doing nothing to remove the KNOWN deceit from the

mold

issue.

Sharon K.

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[Guest guest]

I do not disagree at all.

I am, of course, reminded of the poem about the Holocaust about not speaking

up when they came for everyone else and then no one was left to object 'when

they came for me.'

I believe the tide will turn. I have hope that we can convert those who are

ignorant - even those willfully so. I believe those who have participated as

sheep can and will be redeemed. But that's based on faith and not on what we've

seen so far...

Mostly, I am grateful for everyone's participation on this list, *especially

you,* Sharon. It's what fuels my hope and allows me to keep moving forward with

what little I can do.

~Haley

snk1955@... wrote:

Haley,

I agree with you, most are not actively taking part in the deceit. Many do

not understand and are simply parroting what they are told. But....there ARE

MANY WHO DO UNDERSTAND and have chosen to not get involved and remain silent

while the lives of many are being devastated.

To me, this last group is more at fault than those who have written and

systematically promoted this false concept. At least they are honest whores not

trying to hide from who they are. This situation would never be occurring

were it not for those who have been willing to turn a blind eye while claiming

they have done nothing wrong and it's not their problem.

To me, this last group is synonymous with someone who witnesses a gang rape,

chooses not to get involved and still sleeps at night because they simply

view themselves as one who was not the perpetrator.

Evil flourishes when good men stand by and do nothing. And there are many

good men standing by and doing nothing to remove the KNOWN deceit from the mold

issue.

Sharon K.

In a message dated 2/11/2008 11:31:15 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

myhaze@... writes:

I'll agree and point out that there are *thankfully* just a small number of

*criminal* doctors (by this I mean that they are deliberately making junk

science to line their pocketbooks by depriving us of access to assistance and

healthcare). There are, however, just enough to confuse the others who aren't

paying full attention - most of those who are ignorant are not themselves

liars. Doesn't excuse their ignorance and their cruelty to their patients, but

most of them are not criminal.

~Haley

[Guest guest]

This is a serious problem when we let them get away with it.

What could we do to empower ourselves to change this situation?

Its happened to me too, several times. And then they send you their bill.

You have to pay, but they have basically stolen your money.

People (doctors) who should know better. We get caught in the middle of this

war, basically.

If we don't figure out a way to change this, nobody else will do it for us.

Maybe there are some other communities that have figured out how to

move beyond this situation. At the very least, we should all swear to

not return to doctors that blow our concerns off in a rude manner,

Conversely, we could perhaps? figure out a way to help doctors who DO help

us get better.

On 2/11/08, llaci2003 <jjaksic@...> wrote:

>

> Take it from a person who has rare allergies (1% population). Doctors

> don't want to bother with that small a percentage of people. They

> hardly know anything about my allergies. I do more research than they

> do. They just aren't interested.

>

> _

>

[Guest guest]

You have to beat them at their own game. The pharmaceutical industry spends

billions in double blind peer reviewed studies that scrutinize the efficacy

of any particular drug. Ordinarily this would be the fist tact or approach

in understanding a phenomenon like mold reactivity. A double blind peer

reviewed study to substantiate weather the said phenomenon even exists. In

the grand scale of things the cost to do this would be mere chump change!

Especially when you weigh the magnitude of the benefits understanding this

illness would have on EVERYONE in society.

In this case it's backwards in that the methods they are using of

dismissing a PARTICULAR cause before they have even substantiated the

phenomenon exists. This is not the way science is conducted when the

objective is to get to the TRUTH.

This fact should be pointed out to journalist's and politicians, and even

people in the field of medicine. Our Dr's, the CDC, or any other govmt

agency that deals with issues such as these.

What we should be pushing for is a study that tries to establish weather

the phenomenon of mold reactivity even exists. After this is established

they can no longer sluff us off because they won't any longer be able to

plead ignorance as to weather this illness is real or not.

From here we have our foot in the door and the government will have no

choice but to spend a reasonable amount of money to get to the root of the

cause, how to diagnose, how to prevent, how to treat, how to ADDRESS, etc.

etc.etc

But first we need to clamor for a double blind peer reviewed study that

simply establishes weather mold reactivity is physiological or

psychological.

On Feb 12, 2008 4:44 PM, LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote:

> This is a serious problem when we let them get away with it.

> What could we do to empower ourselves to change this situation?

>

> Its happened to me too, several times. And then they send you their bill.

> You have to pay, but they have basically stolen your money.

>

> People (doctors) who should know better. We get caught in the middle of

> this

> war, basically.

>

> If we don't figure out a way to change this, nobody else will do it for

> us.

>

> Maybe there are some other communities that have figured out how to

> move beyond this situation. At the very least, we should all swear to

> not return to doctors that blow our concerns off in a rude manner,

>

> Conversely, we could perhaps? figure out a way to help doctors who DO help

> us get better.

>

>

> On 2/11/08, llaci2003 <jjaksic@... <jjaksic%40bellsouth.net>>

> wrote:

> >

> > Take it from a person who has rare allergies (1% population). Doctors

> > don't want to bother with that small a percentage of people. They

> > hardly know anything about my allergies. I do more research than they

> > do. They just aren't interested.

> >

> > _

> >

>

>