Guest guest Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Sickbuildings, I am carrying on a discussion of this matter on the IEQuality board, too. From that discussion. Sharon K Steve, What you say makes MUCH sense to me. I don't know about you all, but I am not happy in the LEAST that my tax dollars are going to further a litigation defense argument among those medical associations that are being government funded to advance the understanding of environmental illnesses, not lie about it for the sake of private interest money. From fedspending.org: We have given ACMT over $1.3 million in the past 6 years. Who are these guys that we are funding? I am not impressed with what they are promoting as science. _Federal Assistance to Recipient(s) matching " american college of medical toxicology " , FY 2000-2006, list of recipients_ (http://www.fedspending.org/faads/faads.php?recipient_name=american+college+of+m\ edical+toxicology & sortby=r & deta il=0 & datype=T & reptype=r & database=faads & fiscal_year= & submit=GO) And..below is a quote from a Gerberding letter, June 2007, referring to CDC funding and telling an MCS group that ACMT is just the end all be all: WHY IS THE CDC GOVERNMENT FUNDING AND PROMOTING AN UNSCIENTIFIC LITIGATION DEFENSE ARGUMENT OVER THE MOLD ISSUE???????? Sharon In a message dated 2/11/2008 9:30:39 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, AirwaysEnv@... writes: In a message dated 2/11/2008 10:14:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, snk1955@... a message So here is my question: With so many people - children - literally crying for help from serious illness brought on by exposure to microbial contaminants in WDB's, what motivates some to promote the false concept that it has been scientifically proven these serious illnesses indicative of poisoning are not plausible to occur from exposure in WDB's? How can medical professionals do such a horrid thing to their fellowman? Sharon Kramer The ACMT statement only refers to dose-response effects of inhaled mycotoxins and irritant effects of MVOCs. It mentions ODTS and HP while acknowledging that the mechanisms of causation are poorly understood. Conspicuously absent from the statement is an acknowledgment that individual sensitization to bioaerosols and MVOCs can produce the symptoms that the authors say are not produced by inhaled mycotoxins. This is what reading between the lines in the ACMT statement should tell you. The statement is blatantly a defense argument based on staying within the parameters of classic toxicology and dose-response exposure relationships. Where they do address allergic effects, they do not define or elaborate on what constitutes an " allergic effect " . They minimize the significance of chemical hypersensitivity reactions, which is what allergic effects are, after all. My question is: " What is the ACMT's position on chemical sensitivities? This will give you an idea of where they create the illusion that allergies and chemical sensitivities are completely different things. They aren't. You can't talk about ODTS and HP without getting into HOW -- NOT WHICH -- people get these diseases. To say that these diseases only occur in farmers or some other occupation and not in people in schools, homes and offices is pure nonsense. School teachers do have a high incidence of HP and work-related asthma as a recognized occupational hazard. What do the toxicologists say about that? I think it's safe to say that toxicologists are definitely the wrong type of professional to explain mold health effects because they can't seem to think beyond dose-response. Anyone can see that when one or two people get sick when a large number of people are similarly exposed, it isn't a dose-response cause -- it is an individual reaction. Duh! And for the plaintiff experts who say that because Asp/Pen or Stachy was found, all health effects were caused by mycotoxins, they are expressing only their unfounded beliefs. They are not even close to proffering a scientific opinion. New research should focus on the mechanisms of sensitization and resultant sites of inflammation. Since work-related or occupational asthma seems to be at the frontier of medical science's accepting of microbial and chemical sensitization as a cause of inflammatory reactions, this should be a good starting point for studying other environmental sensitizing exposures. _http://www.state.http://www.sthttp://www.shttp://www.stahttp://wwhtt_ (http://www.state.nj.us/health/eoh/survweb/wra/documents/wraguide.pdf) Steve Temes **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300000002\ 5 48) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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