Re: ammonia, is this the best thing to kill toxic mold on contact?

[Guest guest]

I'm not sure where I read it... but Bleach or Ammonia is a BIG NO NO..

the MLOD Toxins attach themselves to the fumes of the Bleach or Ammonia

and spreads any Toxins or Spores into everypart of your Home. Best to

use Soapy Cleaner to trap the Toxins and Drown them.

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> ammonia, is this the best thing to kill toxic mold on contact?

anybody

> have any input on this?

>

[Guest guest]

I doubt ammonia actually kills the mold spore. I've used peroxide and

let it sit. But you always have to wipe the spore away with a damp

cloth and rinse thoroughly. Leaving the spore there only means it can

reactivate.

[Guest guest]

Bleach is the bad one... also mixes with mycotoxins to make chlordane...

~Haley

happyruiam <happyru@...> wrote: I'm not

sure where I read it... but Bleach or Ammonia is a BIG NO NO..

the MLOD Toxins attach themselves to the fumes of the Bleach or Ammonia

and spreads any Toxins or Spores into everypart of your Home. Best to

use Soapy Cleaner to trap the Toxins and Drown them.

>

> ammonia, is this the best thing to kill toxic mold on contact?

anybody

> have any input on this?

>

[Guest guest]

One of the experts on this group said ammonia was the best and another

said bleach solution.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

When you have 'visible mold' growing on a wall almost all of the experts

recommend

first, fixing the leak of whatever (often condensation) that made the mold

grow there by fixing leaks, etc. THEN replacing the material if its porous,

like sheetrock. If its wood, a combination of soap, water and brushing and

scrubbing wil usually do it.

Bleach if used, should be completely rinsed off afterward with clean fresh

water, and the whole area should be dried.

Products OFTEN claim to " kill mold " but this deceptive because " killing "

mold is not difficult, what is difficult (almost impossible) is rendering

the mold material nontoxic and nonreactive to people who have been

sensitized to it. " Killed " mold is often just as toxic or sometimes, even

more toxic, than mold living inside a wall was. (because the solvent

sometimes breaks all the cell walls and makes the toxins more available)

The approach often called " encapsulation " which is basically spreading a

foam substance which dries out over the known mold areas inside of the

walls, has the advantage of being cheap, but as it does not always render

all the toxins inactive and also because it often misses areas inside of

walls, is usually only effective for a certain amount of time, Also it

encourgaes owners to ignore the sources of oisture which will continue to

create new mold whenever water and 'mold food' in wood collide. Also,

leaving sometimes toxic biocides around can hurt people just like mold does.

(Its just a different kind of damage)

Thats why when mold has made people sick in a building, its usually a lot of

work getting inside of the walls and removing all of it and replacing the

sheetrock, etc. so that the same people who lived there before (who are now

sometimes hypersensitive to mold in many places because their lifetime mold

exposure budget has been exceeeded.) can live there again. But in order for

a building to be safe, it really has to be done. Shortcuts may be fine for

sheds and buildings that are not used for people or storage of objects that

people will use, like outbuildings, though.

Mold REMEDIATION can be very expensive if maintainance has been ignored for

a long time. Sometimes it takes months and gutting walls, replacing lots of

sheetrock or even wood, subfloors, etc.

But buildings are just collections of objects. Human lives are far more

valuable.

[Guest guest]

The important thing is removing all the mold and removing all of the stuff,

biocide, soap, strong oxidizer, whatever it is, you use to remove it.

If you leave either behind, there is a high probability of problems.

Notice how most of the products out there that kill mold (but often don't

inactivate mycotoxins) have a short guarantee.

I think a lot of people buy them so they can appear to be trying to do

something, and they don't expect to actually solve the problems, just shut

people up for a while.

Make sure that whatever you use is cleaned up along with the rinse water

after you finish scrubbing the wood, etc. and that all the water is rinsed

away and the rinse water is clean.

The wood should look clean, so you can put the new sheetrock on without

problems.

[Guest guest]

>

> ammonia, is this the best thing to kill toxic mold on contact?

anybody

> have any input on this?

Ammonia didn't help me in laundry, but I do think it helps w/cleaning,

just don't know if it really kills the mold. I like the Mold Stat @

Lowe's.

Hugs, Cheryl

[Guest guest]

>

> I doubt ammonia actually kills the mold spore. I've used peroxide and

> let it sit. But you always have to wipe the spore away with a damp

> cloth and rinse thoroughly. Leaving the spore there only means it can

> reactivate.

>

Agree, Peroxide is a BIG winner!!

Cheryl

[Guest guest]

Ammonia is so toxic and bad to inhale that I would never try to clean

with it.

[Guest guest]

" Killed " mold is often just as toxic or sometimes, even

more toxic, than mold living inside a wall was. (because the solvent

sometimes breaks all the cell walls and makes the toxins more available) "

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dead mold spores, which can be as toxic as live ones, are:

light-weight and can scatter around a house and get into corners on

onto bare wood which is where they get their nourishment

you can drag them along on your shoes or clothes from room to room

or when you vacuum they are vented out into the air once again

they will get on your body including your hair and worst of all you

can inhale them and get them into your sinuses/lungs which can cause

unpleasant to serious reactions

[Guest guest]

>

> Ammonia is so toxic and bad to inhale that I would never try to clean

> with it.

Agreed-ammonia is on my top ten list of " get the hell out quickly if

you smell it " toxins which include, besides ammonia, mold, mildew,

perfumes, VOCs and somewhere near the top-fabric softener sheets!

On the mold killing-I found hydrogen peroxide to be most effective IF

you cannot just cut out the offending mold. I have cut out chunks of

sheetrock in my house rather than dealing with the if and maybe of

killing the mold on it. Its been destructive but it works. Peroxide,

however, is very effective you just need to reapply until all sign of

mold is gone.

>

[Guest guest]

This is a good paper on the use of various chemicals and radiation on

fungi and mycotoxins:

Appl Environ Microbiol. 2005 September; 71(9): 5399–5403.

Effect of Chlorine Dioxide Gas on Fungi and Mycotoxins Associated with

Sick Building Syndrome

S. C. ,* C. Wu, L. A. Andriychuk, J. M. , T. L. Brasel, C.

A. Jumper, and D. C. Straus

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1214660

(with live links)

or

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=1214660 & blobtype=pdf

for the full paper PDF

Also look at the PubMed articles in the sidebar on the left by the

various authors, esp. and Straus

They have done a LOT of work on determining how best to decontaminate

homes that have had mold problems in order to make them SAFE.

(NOT just kill mold spores)

[Guest guest]

Great paper!! Funny how the Stachy is still toxic even after exposure to

chlorine gas

LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote: This

is a good paper on the use of various chemicals and radiation on

fungi and mycotoxins:

Appl Environ Microbiol. 2005 September; 71(9): 5399–5403.

Effect of Chlorine Dioxide Gas on Fungi and Mycotoxins Associated with

Sick Building Syndrome

S. C. ,* C. Wu, L. A. Andriychuk, J. M. , T. L. Brasel, C.

A. Jumper, and D. C. Straus

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1214660

(with live links)

or

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=1214660 & blobtype=pdf

for the full paper PDF

Also look at the PubMed articles in the sidebar on the left by the

various authors, esp. and Straus

They have done a LOT of work on determining how best to decontaminate

homes that have had mold problems in order to make them SAFE.

(NOT just kill mold spores)

[Guest guest]

Its not funny, its terrible because many of us have had a very hard time

with it.

There are no silver bullets as far as I can tell. No magic detoxifying

sprays or goos.

You can tell by the language they use, its very informative if you simply

read between the lines.

If there were, we would know about them.

On 2/19/08, E E <photoguys2003@...> wrote:

>

> Great paper!! Funny how the Stachy is still toxic even after exposure to

> chlorine gas

>

> LiveSimply <quackadillian@... <quackadillian%40gmail.com>> wrote:

> This is a good paper on the use of various chemicals and radiation on

>

> fungi and mycotoxins:

>

> Appl Environ Microbiol. 2005 September; 71(9): 5399–5403.

>

> Effect of Chlorine Dioxide Gas on Fungi and Mycotoxins Associated with

> Sick Building Syndrome

>

> S. C. ,* C. Wu, L. A. Andriychuk, J. M. , T. L. Brasel, C.

> A. Jumper, and D. C. Straus

>

> http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1214660

>

> (with live links)

>

> or

>

> http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=1214660 & blobtype=pdf

>

> for the full paper PDF

>

> Also look at the PubMed articles in the sidebar on the left by the

> various authors, esp. and Straus

>

> They have done a LOT of work on determining how best to decontaminate

> homes that have had mold problems in order to make them SAFE.

>

> (NOT just kill mold spores)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Mold, mildew, and fungi are some of the oldest living things on earth.