Re: Safe rental?

[Guest guest]

When your looking for a new place to live after you have been exposed to toxic

mold the paranoia level is high no doubt. And should be in a sick way. If you

dont see mold there are some tests you can do for example air sample tests and

gravity spore sample tests collected in pi tree dishes. Ofcourse you would have

to call an abatement specialist or professional mold inspector for these and

other options. You must look into any old water leaks inbetween walls and dark

crawl spaces and basements. Leaky roofs and so on. For me if there is any old

water leaks in my mind its declared a danger zone. This isnt an exhaustive or

conclusive methods for testing for toxic mold in your home however obvious. God

bless you

Elias

michalvictoria <michalvictoria@...> wrote:

Has anybody been successful in finding a " safe " rental?

How did you do it?

Can anybody give me some detailed guidelines on what to look for when trying to

rent a

home that's " safe " ?

I think I know, but can somebody explain to me exactly what a " safe " place is?

Bless you all. We are all warriors to deal with this. It's crazymaking.

[Guest guest]

You are saying that as if no rentals are 'safe'. Thats not at all true.

Thats like saying that all rentals are slums.

Most well maintained buildings are safe. But when a building gets a leak

that isn't fixed, in other words, goes bad, then the people who live there

WILL get sensitized and they wont be able to live there any more unless it

gets cleaned up, which means all the mold is physically removed. New people

who move into that building may get sick too, if it isn't cleaned up. Not

painted over, not hidden inside a hidden space.. cleaned up.

Unless the building is cleaned up WELL, the tenants will be forced to move

and they might have trouble finding another safe place to live or safe job

after that because of that exposure. That can destroy peoples lives.

What people who have been sensitized can do is ask LOTS of questions BEFORE

they rent a place, ask other tenants about the water intrusion history,

check with building departments for any public records on building code

violations and ideally, they should initially get an agreement from the

landlord that if the apartment doesnt work out for them they can leave

without the landlord trying to charge them for the remainder of time on, say

a one year lease, which happens often and can be financially devastating for

someone. If this sounds like a dream, a tenant being able to do this, it

does to me too... I'm sorry, you asked how someone could avoid it.

It helps to have LOTS of money, because poor people often have few options

when it comes to housing, especially people who are sick and perhaps have

lost a job because of illness. In our society, being sick can destroy your

life.

Looking back through stuff I have, here is a great unedited description

someone sent me of how to pre-qualify possible rentals.. I don't agree with

a few of the things he says, for example, about problem rentals almost

always being ground floor units.. thats not true, but there is a lot of

useful information in this (below) which is from someone who is in a

position to give good advice on this subject.

Good luck! BTW, I have had excellent relations with most of my landlords

historically, including my current one.. But I have had a few bad ones too

and those are the ones you remember. The same applies for landlords and

tenants.. they remember the bad ones.. it works both ways.. But a bad

landlord will stand out. Ask around.. check court records.. do they have a

lot of lawsuits? Even if they are usually the ones who are evicting, read

the responses to the evictions... the reasons people give for not paying

rent...

Avoid slumlords.. they are really evil people..

here is the aforementioned doc..

.......

Most landlords conduct credit and background checks to determine if the

potential renter is credit worthy, has a job, has ability to pay, and

sometimes much, much more, e.g., outstanding liens or judgments, criminal

background, workers comp history, and sometimes rental history – have you

sued your previous landlords? It is public information if you did. Most

sophisticated corporate landlords subscribe to services that makes these

checks easy and quick. These services also collect data on renters! You

would be surprised what is public information these days! This said, you

want to fill-out the landlord's applications in all honesty and clarity. Do

not lie or be evasive; these are grounds for breach of contract. When the

landlord states that you are qualified as a renter, and to come-on by to

sign their lease agreement, this is the time to begin asking the questions.

Until the landlord says you are qualified and they have a rental agreement

prepared for you to sign, they do not necessarily have to have a just cause

to deny you habitation. They have plenty of " outs, " until that time in

which they state that you are qualified. Once they state that you are

qualified and they have a rental agreement prepared for your signature, they

had better have a damn good reason to then deny you a rental; other than

your pesky questions. Some landlords will have you sign a rental agreement

PENDING their approval process. My suggestion.....Don't. Fill-out their

applications, but not their agreements.....until they state that you are

qualified. This protects you from unreasonable discrimination and it gives

you some leverage.

This brings-up another item I just thought of......Read the rental agreement

really well. Is there anything in it that you cannot live with? Ask if

there are any other agreements, covenants, or House Rules that are implied

or coupled with the apartment that may not necessarily be listed or referred

to in the lease agreement? Beware of " other " agreements, covenants, or

rules that are referenced or implied in the lease agreement. You want

written copies of these " other " agreements. I wish I could be more explicit

regarding examples, but I am retained in a piece of litigation where this

" other " agreement is becoming a significant element in the litigation. This

other agreement was not part of the original lease agreement, but was

implied, and it is a very unreasonable agreement. I can tell you more when

this litigation reaches conclusion. Let suffice it to say that one of your

questions needs to address any and all terms and conditions; those in the

lease agreement and other documents that are coupled in some manner.

Again...Is there anything that you find unreasonable and/or can not live

with? If so, move on.

Another item I can think of......Most apartment buildings I have worked on

that had moisture and/or mold problems, almost always, were ground-floor

units. If someone is hypersensitive to mold, has MCS, etc., my suggestion

would be to avoid ground-floor units. Moisture problems can be the result

of leaking pipes under the slab, over-irrigation, poor drainage, periodic

high water table in the winter, etc., etc. These issues DO NOT affect 2nd,

3rd, 4th floor units. Moreover, if there is a roof leak, the water travels

down until it hits the slab, then the ground-floor tenant gets it worse of

it; often more than those above. Also, the soil and landscaping are safe

haven for bugs, bacteria, fungi, etc. Ground-floor units are much more

affected by biologicals. Ground-floor units are more affected by the

chemicals used on the landscaping, and get more frass when the grass is

mowed....mold spores too. Ground-floor units are fumigated for bug more

often than other units. Also, people in ground-floor units typically keep

their windows and blinds closed more often than other units, and this leads

to lessened ventilation and poor air quality. For all these reasons,

people with allergies, asthma, hypersensitivity, MCS, etc....should not be

in a ground floor unit.

On 2/20/08, michalvictoria <michalvictoria@...> wrote:

>

> Has anybody been successful in finding a " safe " rental?

> How did you do it?

> Can anybody give me some detailed guidelines on what to look for when

> trying to rent a

> home that's " safe " ?

> I think I know, but can somebody explain to me exactly what a " safe " place

> is?

>

> Bless you all. We are all warriors to deal with this. It's crazymaking.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Great Advice Elias!

It would be nice if we could do a back ground check on

landlords from other tenants they had like they do us

when we seek a place!

One thing one can do is just ask the landlord if there

had ever been leaks and have a witness such as a

friend with you when asking before you rent. When we

rented, we saw no leaks or water damage, believe me,

we looked. Our landlords were great at hiding stuff

with paint and all. Later on when we had a leak, they

said they had another roof leak as well as a busted

pipe in the past. My hair about stuck out on ends.

When we first got our leak, my husband went on the

roof..they gave him this little 8oz thing of tar to

fix the leak. He came down and he was so mad. They

had taken tube tar and made tiny little made hair line

repairs and told my husband to do the same! He was

mad because the roof was cracked EVERYWHERE! What was

going on with that roof needed a new roof or at least

a couple of HUGE 5 gallon buckets of tar! They

finally fixed it 3 months later only to later accuse

me of making " Mickey Mouse complaints " ..this was after

the landlord pulled up my squash plant that I was

growing. He also got mad because my husband pulled up

some carpet which was infested with fleas. Those fleas

had bit me all over my legs...we at first thought I

gotten poison ivy. We later learned the roof had

leaked on that carpet during a past leak before we

moved there. Not only that, we had a pond with pea

color scum in it. I have photos...The landlord said it

was going to be cleaned when we first moved there but

it never happened. They also came over daily and

burned their garbage as well as items like old carpet.

This was during our major drought and a " no burn " rule

for the whole county. This burning caused me to have

major asthma attacks. One day I kindly asked they not

burn because I could not breath that day..The landlord

told my husband that I was being bossy just because I

told him I could not breath due to the smoke from his

burning..If I had it to go over, I would had called

the law on him for burning on the property I was

renting and maintaining. We did alto of work such as

cutting acres and acres of land WEEKLY..this was done

once becausee the landlord had a horrible accident and

as a good deed...thereafter, he expected us to be his

slaves, literally. He was out every Sat bossing my

husband around and working him like crazy on his ONLY

day off from his 60 hour a week job! I asked my

husband why was he taking that crap and my husband

said he wanted to keep peace until we could get out.

BUT, this was only after I started packing to look for

my own place! This whole mold and terrible issue with

the landlord almost broke up our marraige. Yes, I was

going to leave because I knew if I stayed I would die!

My husband LOVED the house and land we lived on but it

was killing me in a big way. Had we known the house

had prior leaks as well as the other issues, we would

not moved there..had we known they were snoopy

landlords down our backs everyday, we would not moved

there. The land lord also made it a point to tell us

almost daily that his son was an attorney! We were

way down in the woods off alone from the rest of the

world so it was really creepy dealing with such

people. I was always afraid that landlord was going to

come out there and shoot us one day! He was that

mean! The place we rented looked like paradise!! It

was a beautiful place on 28 acres with a pond and

fresh water springs. When something is too good to be

true, sometimes it is just that!

--- E E <photoguys2003@...> wrote:

> When your looking for a new place to live after you

> have been exposed to toxic mold the paranoia level

> is high no doubt. And should be in a sick way. If

> you dont see mold there are some tests you can do

> for example air sample tests and gravity spore

> sample tests collected in pi tree dishes. Ofcourse

> you would have to call an abatement specialist or

> professional mold inspector for these and other

> options. You must look into any old water leaks

> inbetween walls and dark crawl spaces and basements.

> Leaky roofs and so on. For me if there is any old

> water leaks in my mind its declared a danger zone.

> This isnt an exhaustive or conclusive methods for

> testing for toxic mold in your home however obvious.

> God bless you

> Elias

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[Guest guest]

That said, I think you can have a good, not evil, landlord, but a bad

building because landlords frequently just don't know how bad mold can

be for you. They have been given bad advise from contractors, or had

maintenance performed, such as painting over water stains without

checking them out thinking that small amounts of mold, if leak was

fixed, dry up and are no longer a problem, so I would disagree that

finding a good landlord is a key to a liveable building. However a

good landlord might be more willing to work with you if a problem

develops, so always good to be dealing with a fair and reasonable

person, but some reasonable people become unreasonable when

circumstances change. I would check out the building, rather than

worry if landlord is nice a guy.

[Guest guest]

Trust your NOSE!!! Not as sole test but as a big one! Not just the

apartment, but the hallways, and basement, etc, as all that air does

mix in entire building. It does get into your apartment.

I looked for a safe rental and didn't end up with one. My mistake is

it smelled in basement and I dismissed it since apartment didn't

smell. Later when I moved in, noticed apartment did had an odor. Not

as bad as basement but definately had one. I cleaned it up very well

and sealed door and other things up and put air cleaner in. I did

better after I did these things but didn't do well in general. I think

one thing I missed was that when I went to see place people there were

cooking, so cooking masked odor. So don't sign the lease until you can

see apartment empty or take note of things like that.

If I had to do over again, I would depend alot more on my NOSE. Moldy

places and places that aren't clean don't smell clean. You really have

to pay attention though as if you are busy talking you will only notice

the most obvious of odors.

I had done mold culture plates and they grew nothing but it was very

old building and odor in basement smelled like there might have been

some dead rodents or similar in a wall or something. That might sound

obvious but I think almost 90% of places I looked at had an odor, so

after awhile, you just think basement are stinky and you/I looked past

it. Don't.

>

> Has anybody been successful in finding a " safe " rental?

> How did you do it?

> Can anybody give me some detailed guidelines on what to look for when

trying to rent a

>

[Guest guest]

I see. Considering you may not be able to get out of lease, the

landlord would be important. Consider discussing with landlord ahead

of time terms under which you could move out early. I told everyone

I was allergic to mold because people seem to understand that and

asked for more examination of place. With that, people allowed me to

do a culture plate in apartment ahead of decision to rent. Put it on

top of a cold air return or next to cold air return, and turn the

heat or air conditioning on so air is turbulent. Expose it for an

hour if there is any way to do that. If not, settle for a half

hour. You will see growth in mold plate in 48 hours and within a

week you have 'some' idea if place is 'moldy'. It's not foolproof

but any extra info you have is helpful. Many people here prefer tape

lift samples but in the case of deciding on rental, tape lift results

would take too long to get. I found a landlord willing to rent to me

month to month because it was winter and not a time when alot of

people move. **Unfortunately, I found it difficult to find a non-

moldy place since so few people are informed of the danger, owners

and tenants, both. Even if otherwise well maintain, window air

conditioners or through the wall air conditioners are generally moldy

almost without exception. However it's been suggested here the

option of not using them but using your own 'stand alone' (safe)

heater or air conditioner and turn off and cover up the window unit.

>

> In my experiences, you needed both a good building and a good

>

[Guest guest]

Stachybotrys often does not show up on tests. Growing, but happy, or old,

dry stachybotrys won't either. Arguably the worst kind of mold.

Also, many kinds of mold once dry (i.e. 'killed) may not smell at all (and

wont produce MVOCs) but still WILL make people sick. Mold from an old leak

that has long since been fixed (or maybe it isn't rainy season.)

Someone could still get very sick in a place. And the cheap spore tests

would NOT have shown this in advance.

[Guest guest]

That's true, but then so you say, go by records only, don't do any

tests yourself since they aren't perfect?

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> Stachybotrys often does not show up on tests.

[Guest guest]

Stachy does show up in tests just to correct you. In my last home where i got

sick the mold source was swabbed and sent into a lab for identification. Came

back positive for Stachy. And

i had the option of air sample test from the same lab however becuase of the

cost i did not have that test done. Sorry i just dont want people to forgore

testing of their homes and thinking its useless to test. Because of the

seroiusness of the effects every angle investigated is warranted.

LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote:

Stachybotrys often does not show up on tests. Growing, but happy, or

old,

dry stachybotrys won't either. Arguably the worst kind of mold.

Also, many kinds of mold once dry (i.e. 'killed) may not smell at all (and

wont produce MVOCs) but still WILL make people sick. Mold from an old leak

that has long since been fixed (or maybe it isn't rainy season.)

Someone could still get very sick in a place. And the cheap spore tests

would NOT have shown this in advance.

[Guest guest]

It's safe to say, make sure you have an exit plan if you are sensitive

to mold, since no test is perfect. Telling the landlord is a good

idea, as he wants to have a tenant who will stay and not leave or cause

trouble. Since few people understand mold illness, I make it easy on

myself and call it an allergy to mold. One lady renting a condo said I

could stay there overnight first if I wanted. I almost took her up on

it but then she said, if I was allergic to mold, I should stay out of

the basement though..so I wasn't interested past that. I wouldn't have

looked in basement since laundry machine was in the condo so mentioning

the 'allergy' brought up the subject and saved us both alot of hassel.

Everyone but one person let me do my -admitedly imperfect- mold test

and wanted to hear from me if results were not good even if I decided

not to take apartment. That was my experience. One person said she

would have to ask management if I could do test and get back to me.

She was a 'sales rep' for a company that had taken a very old building

and converted it to apartments. However other reps for large apt

complexes said yes.

[Guest guest]

No, I do think people should do tests, but they should do a variety of

different kinds of them and they should not rely on just a few, esp. spore

tests, for important decisions on whether a place is safe.

For that, it takes much more.

Some buildings are so bad, that the chances of being able to safely

remediate them for the amounts of money insurance companies are willing to

spend are zero.

You know what I mean. The buildings that have seen years of neglect and

sometimes, need to be literally gutted, cleaned inside and out, and then

rebuilt, for mold-hypersensitized people to be able to continue to live or

work there.

[Guest guest]

Thank you Barb, after reading everybody's response I

feel totally discouraged and trapped, and I have to

move move to a rental, and I have to move asap. Is it

hopeless?

--- barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote:

> That's true, but then so you say, go by records

> only, don't do any

> tests yourself since they aren't perfect?

>

>

> >

> > Stachybotrys often does not show up on tests.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Correct me if I'm wrong--I know someone will. Isn't it rare for only

stachy to be present in a water damaged building? Stachy requires a

lot of moisture, whereas other molds don't require as much. Some areas

may be very wet, while others, via evaporation, etc. will be damp,

thus providing the proper environment for a variety of molds to grow.

So, my theory is that it's common, as in our situation, for other

molds which require less moisture and tend to be more " airborne " to be

present along with stachy.

> Stachybotrys often does not show up on tests. Growing, but

happy, or old,

> dry stachybotrys won't either. Arguably the worst kind of mold.

>

> Also, many kinds of mold once dry (i.e. 'killed) may not smell at

all (and

> wont produce MVOCs) but still WILL make people sick. Mold from an

old leak

> that has long since been fixed (or maybe it isn't rainy season.)

>

> Someone could still get very sick in a place. And the cheap spore tests

> would NOT have shown this in advance.

>

>

[Guest guest]

It seems hopeless because you are sick. We all feel

hopeless when we are ill. The best thing you can do is

start looking for a healthy apt. If we don't do

anything, nothing will happen. Right before I got this

house I sat around crying and did nothing because I

did not think we would ever get away from mold. I

felt every place in the world was going to have mold.

One weekend, I picked up a Sunday paper, I saw a new

house for sale which was affordable. I asked my

husband if he would go with me to look at it. In side

of me, I was so down I felt there was a catch, there

was no way we could buy new. I know my husband only

went with me that day was because he knew I was

down..he did not think we could afford to move either.

To make a long story short, we are in a new home we

can afford. This was after 7 years of moving and

moving from one mold home to the other. We get so run

down we don't always make sound decisions. Even the

last place we lived, there were signs but it was

affordable and was a nice place. Think about those

signs and take them serious. Just really use your

five senses when shopping for a different place. If

something does not look right or smell right, just

remember it is not right and no amount of cleaning is

going to fix it. When I looked at our first mold

house, I thought it just needed to be aired out! It

did not smell too bad but there was an odor.

There is a clean safe place out there. All you need to

do is give it your best and find it. I know you are

sick and the last thing you want to do is apt or house

hunt but hunting is the only way you will get out of

mold so you can start feeling better.

There is hope, no matter how you feel now, there is

hope.

--- Michal <michalvictoria@...> wrote:

> Thank you Barb, after reading everybody's response

> I

> feel totally discouraged and trapped, and I have to

> move move to a rental, and I have to move asap. Is

> it

> hopeless?

> --- barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote:

>

> > That's true, but then so you say, go by records

> > only, don't do any

> > tests yourself since they aren't perfect?

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Stachybotrys often does not show up on tests.

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I hope to not make it sound harder than it is, but it IS very hard to

know if a place is safe- FOR YOU. You might as well know that up

front. I lived in my own home for three years AFTER I became sick

and was a member of this group and investigated mold in my own home

and came to conclusion the mold that made me sick was removed in 1999

and was gone but I just was still sick from it, only to realize that

mold problem that was in basement and removed, had been also carried

up into the attic by air movements and was still making me sick. It

took me three years to realize it was in my home still making me

sick. Not visible, not detected, long story. I moved to a hotel for

two months and began to feel just fine again. Then due to money

constraints got an apartment. Did the best I could but apartment

made me feel sick again. However I had arranged no lease and I was

able to move out. I had folding table and chairs and a air

mattress.

Do as best you can. Look for some place that looks well maintained,

smells clean too, hallways and basement as well an unit itself since

they are inside of building 'envelope' and air will mix. I do a

settling plate (you can write to me directly and I will tell you how

I do them, but others may use other tests), BUT most importantly try

to make arrangements so you can move out if necessary. How well you

feel there is ultimate test. You can't tell ahead of time. Ask

about 3,6, 9 month arrangements, etc. Move with very little

furniture. Put your normal furniture in storage and move in with

yard furniture temporarily. UNLESS YOU AREN'T THAT SICK!! I was/am

very sick, so small problems with place are magnified in me. It

really depends on how sensitive you have become. Apartment that made

me feel sick, had a lot of healthy looking people living in it, so

they were okay there!!! You may be healthier and be fine in MOST

apartments you look at. I am more fragile than the average person

for sure.

>

> Thank you Barb, after reading everybody's response I

> feel totally discouraged and trapped, and I have to

> move move to a rental, and I have to move asap. Is it

> hopeless?

>

[Guest guest]

It is a difficult situation, I have had 5 places that either had mold

or too much chemicals coming through the vents. I got to the point

that I did not mention anything to the landlord because they might

just not give you the apartment. My last place that I am in now was

perfect but there was a small leak from upstairs a few months ago. I

don't detect any mold as of yet and in my state they give you a paper

saying there is no mold. It is very touchy thing. They don't want

anyone that is going to be a problem and cost them money. You have to

go in with you eyes open, look all around, check where the vents are

because that was one problem the vents were all by the windows and if

you are chemically sensitive you get laundry exhaust. Your nose

should tell you if there is mold but that isn't always the case if

they just painted. All of my places were not cheap, good luck. I

decided to go with a ground floor because I was concerned about

cooking odors, chemicals, and figured odors go up and I have not had

any chemical or cooking odor problems here. Then if you are at the

top floor there is a chance of a roof leak. Sorry but after so many

moves it is tough to advise.

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> No, I do think people should do tests, but they should do a variety

of

> different kinds of them and they should not rely on just a few,

esp. spore

> tests, for important decisions on whether a place is safe.

>

> For that, it takes much more.

[Guest guest]

What did you think of the advice on checking out the landlord and the

questions to ask? The long file.

Did it make it through, do you need me to resend it? I don't think that its

impossible. Most of the rentals I have had have been fine.

You need to check them out, but its not by any means hopeless. Good

landlords should not mind if you ask questions.

[Guest guest]

ly , this is why I don't look for stachy. I figure if

there is water damage, there will be other molds that are more easily

detected. Aspergillus which was high in my house caused alot of

illness. Maybe more than any other fungus. I really think it would be

unusual to have a water damaged area that is only growing stachy.

>

> Correct me if I'm wrong--I know someone will. Isn't it rare for only

> stachy to be present in a water damaged building? Stachy requires a

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with you Barb on this. My husband and daughter never got sick

but it about killed me.

> >

> > Thank you Barb, after reading everybody's response I

> > feel totally discouraged and trapped, and I have to

> > move move to a rental, and I have to move asap. Is it

> > hopeless?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

They don't even make a real effort. They take three or four spore tests

using low

volume and obsolete spore traps, on a calm morning and claim everythings

okay.

Toxins persist much longer than spores can be recognized.

I am just trying to point out WHY buildings OFTEN are said to be safe but

they still

DO have problems. (besides the obvious financial conflicts of interest

driving this

disconnect between people's experience and 'expert' testimony and

'scientific'

testing.

Many of these so called experts don't know what they are doing, apart from

what other experts

share back and forth in their own, fairly biased circles, and they also

can't

even agree with each other on many issues. They often think that mold

illness doesn't

exist. They are in it strictly for the quick, fast cash. To them, " mold is

gold " .

Not a disaster that could ruin their lives.

The worst among them, the three day wonders, who might do mold inspection as

a sideline

to their main jobs, like plumbing or general contracting, also not

infrequently don't have a clue about how

mold *illness* works..

For example, how many do you think are going to fail houses or busineses

when their

business comes mostly from real estate agents and apartment managers?

How much QPCR or toxin testing do you think they are going to do for $300,

or $500?

Also, do you expect the typical three day wonder to understand that clean

enough to not make

NEW people sick is not clean enough to be safe

for people who have ALREADY been made sick in THAT building?

It needs to be much cleaner.

[Guest guest]

I went to craigslist.com and found a 2 year old home. It is by far safer

than any place I have stayed barring when I lived outdoors underneath a

carport.

I am just renting a single room in a house with 3 other room mates which

makes it affordable. I am paying roughly $550 a month after utilities.

On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 12:36 PM, michalvictoria <michalvictoria@...>

wrote:

> Has anybody been successful in finding a " safe " rental?

> How did you do it?

> Can anybody give me some detailed guidelines on what to look for when

> trying to rent a

> home that's " safe " ?

> I think I know, but can somebody explain to me exactly what a " safe " place

> is?

>

> Bless you all. We are all warriors to deal with this. It's crazymaking.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ya, if you don't mind, can you resend?

I'm so forgetful and overwhelmed right now, it's

possible I missed it.

Thank you so much. You just saying that most of the

rentals you have been in have been fine gives me hope.

--- LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote:

> What did you think of the advice on checking out the

> landlord and the

> questions to ask? The long file.

>

> Did it make it through, do you need me to resend it?

> I don't think that its

> impossible. Most of the rentals I have had have been

> fine.

>

> You need to check them out, but its not by any means

> hopeless. Good

> landlords should not mind if you ask questions.

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

If it is possible, I would like a copy sent to me as well. I am desperate to get

some help this time in finding a safe place to rent. Thank you if you do decide

to send it. You can send mine to pookiebear_44144@...

Michal <michalvictoria@...> wrote: Ya, if you don't

mind, can you resend?

I'm so forgetful and overwhelmed right now, it's

possible I missed it.

Thank you so much. You just saying that most of the

rentals you have been in have been fine gives me hope.

--- LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote:

> What did you think of the advice on checking out the

> landlord and the

> questions to ask? The long file.

>

> Did it make it through, do you need me to resend it?

> I don't think that its

> impossible. Most of the rentals I have had have been

> fine.

>

> You need to check them out, but its not by any means

> hopeless. Good

> landlords should not mind if you ask questions.

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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