Guest guest Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 I am new to the Rt3 issue. So I hope I can get help here understanding it and what needs to be done. A question I have is, can one get Rt3 if taking to high a dose of Armour or Naturethroid? I understand that T4 can turn into Rt3 but I am wondering if one can get a false positive so to speak. Also I have noticed my nails are starting to peel. Is this indicative of anything? Thanks for your help in advance! Venizia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 So I basically did this to myself. Because my doctor has been telling me that my Tsh and Ft3 are too high. But I felt awful if it was lowered. Basically non-functioning. I am still waiting for my 24 hr saliva results. Is there somewhere there is a lot of learning info on Rt3. I went to Dr. C. Lowe's website but was surprised to read his thoughts on Rt3. So there wasn't much info there. Venizia > > You can get it from taking too much Armour, but it is not a false > positive. If oyu have too high RT3 lowering the Armoru most liekly wil > not get rid of it. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 Not necessarily. You may have had RT3 while you were ramping up armour. As it blocks th eT3 form working, you never do feel unhypo so of course you go too high wiht it. I think adrenal fatigue is oftne the cause of it in the first place as I have seen peole with highRT3 thta are no where near high in thyroid hormones. We have some links and filed in our website here. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 Thanks SO much !! I will check out the links and files.Venizia wrote: Not necessarily. You may have had RT3 while you were ramping up armour. As it blocks th eT3 form working, you never do feel unhypo so of course you go too high wiht it. I think adrenal fatigue is oftne the cause of it in the first place as I have seen peole with highRT3 thta are no where near high in thyroid hormones. We have some links and filed in our website here. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 Hi Venizia ~ I've done some research on the RT3 issue and have some information in my files. I'll pull together a list of links for you. take care, ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 »Reverse T3 DominanceReverse T3 Dominance - A Thyroid ImbalanceIn a healthy patient a normal thyroid gland secretes all of thecirculating T4 and about 20% of the circulating T3. The T4 made bythe thyroid gland circulates throughout the body and is convertedinto T3 and a tiny amount of reverse T3 in the kidneys, brain andfat tissue. Most of the biological activity of thyroid hormones isdue to T3. It has a higher affinity for thyroid receptors and isapproximately 4 - 10 times more potent than T4. Because 80% of serumT3 is derived from T4 in tissues such as the liver and kidney, T4 isconsidered a pro-hormone. Reverse T3 has no thyroid action what soever except it binds to T3 receptors blocking the action of T3. Innormal patients T3 dominates and reverse T3 usually makes up lessthan 10% of total T3 levels and is therefore no problem.Reverse T3 dominance or "'s Syndrome" is a conditionidentified by Dr Denis that exhibits most hypothyroidsymptoms although circulating levels of T3 and T4 are within normaltest limits. It is a condition of thyroid hormone imbalance ratherthan a simple deficiency. Periods of prolonged stress may cause anincrease in cortisol levels as the adrenal glands respond to thestress. The high cortisol levels inhibit the conversion of T4 intoT3 thus reducing active T3 levels. The conversion of T4 is thenshunted towards the production of the inactive reverse T3. Thisreverse T3 dominance may persist even after the stress passes andcortisol levels have returned to normal as the reverse T3 itself mayalso inhibit the conversion of T4 to T3 thus perpetuating theproduction of the inactive reverse T3 isomer. There is some argumentto this last point with some research indicating that the elevatedrT3 is only temporary and not permanent as Dr describes andhence questions his theory altogether. Which ever the case may be wehave had many patients whom have benefited from his protocol.Reverse T3 has the same molecular structure as T3 however its threedimensional arrangement (stereochemistry) of atoms is a mirror imageof T3 and thus fits into the receptor upside down thus preventingthe active T3 binding to the receptor and activating the appropriatethyroid response. Unfortunately blood tests for T3 measure bothnormal T3 and reverse T3 levels as it is unable to distinguishbetween the two. Thus T3 levels may appear normal however asignificant proportion of this may be due to the presence of theinactive reverse T3 isomer giving a false impression of true thyroidfunction. To overcome this diagnostic problem there is a specialtest that specifically measures reverse T3 alone and should berequested to rule out reverse T3 dominance. Ideally reverse T3should be between 200-300 pmol/L and if found to be above 400 pmol/Lindicates the presence of reverse T3 dominance. If reverse T3dominance is diagnosed it may be treated by supplementing T3 onceadrenal exhaustion, hypoglycemia and/or low sex hormone levels havebeen ruled out and/or treated.It is important that no T4 (thyroxine), including Armour Thyroid, isused for this condition as some of the supplemented T4 will only beconverted into reverse T3 and keep this cycle going. The idea is touse T3 to provide thyroid activity to alleviate symptoms and to alsosuppress TSH production which in effect reduces the bodies ownproduction of T4. With little or no T4 left in the system reverse T3can no longer be produced and eventually whatever is already presentin the body will be eliminated thus reducing reverse T3 levels. Theconversion of T4 into T3 will then no longer be inhibited by thereverse T3 allowing the appropriate activation of T4 into the activeT3 form to occur.NB: It is also very important that if elevated levels of cortisolare found (stage 1 adrenal exhaustion) it should be treated firstbecause if it is left elevated it will only continue to inhibit theconversion of T4 into T3 and thus continue reverse T3 production andthus cause this treatment to potentially fail. In addition somepatients respond poorly to the treatment described below until anyadrenal imbalances are rectified. Therefore we recommend any adrenalimbalance be corrected before commensing this treatment.TreatmentSlow release T3 capsules work best in this situation. Begin bytaking 7.5mcg of T3 as a slow release capsule morning and night.Symptoms should be monitored for improvement in energy levels and anincrease in body temperature (ideally underarm temperature above36.5C). Dose should be gradually increased by 7.5mcg incrementsevery 5 days until symptoms are alleviated and/or body temperatureis back to normal.Symptoms for hyperthyroid such as sweating, anxiety, palpitations,etc must also be monitored for and doses reduced at the first signof these symptoms appearing. Care should be taken not to allow thepulse rate to remain above 100 beats / minute, or more than about 20beats / minute faster than before treatment. The dose should bereduced to the highest dose possible where these symptoms do notoccur. Usually we find total daily doses of T3 required to be ashigh as 90 to 100mcg per day before body temperature and symptomsare restored back to normal. Once the correct dose has been obtainedthe dose should be maintained for four weeks and then the dosegradually reduced by 7.5mcg increments every 3 days until off itcompletely. By this stage TSH should return to normal thusstimulating T4 production which then, if the treatment wassuccessful, should be converted into the active T3 form. Follow upblood tests for T3, T4 and reverse T3 should all be in the idealrange. Sometimes this protocol needs to be repeated several times ifinitially unsuccessful. Kris and Bob Brunkhorstbkbrunk@... So I basically did this to myself. Because my doctor has been tellingme that my Tsh and Ft3 are too high. But I felt awful if it waslowered. Basically non-functioning. I am still waiting for my 24 hrsaliva results. Is there somewhere there is a lot of learning info onRt3. I went to Dr. C. Lowe's website but was surprised to readhis thoughts on Rt3. So there wasn't much info there.Venizia You can get it from taking too much Armour, but it is not a false positive. If oyu have too high RT3 lowering the Armoru most liekly wil not get rid of it.-- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 Thank you SO much for this. I am printing it out and taking it to my doctor since he told me I needed to be on T4 to get rid of the Rt3. Now that's scary isn't it!!! This is very helpful and so thoughtful of you to send it! Venizia > >> > >> You can get it from taking too much Armour, but it is not a false > >> positive. If oyu have too high RT3 lowering the Armoru most liekly > >> wil > >> not get rid of it. > >> > >> -- > >> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > >> > >> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > >> > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > >> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 Oh , Thank you so much. That should help a lot. This is really new to me and not sure I fully understand it and the treatment on top of trying to understand the adrenal connection. Pretty overwhelming. So glad you all are out there!!! OOOXXX Venizia > > Hi Venizia ~ > > I've done some research on the RT3 issue and have some information in my > files. I'll pull together a list of links for you. > > take care, > ~ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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