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Deepchand Khandelwal <https://www.facebook.com/drdeepchand>

‎ " Message to AMIRKHAN - READ AND SHARE ALL MEDICOS N DOCTORS.

Dear Mr. Amir Khah,

“NOT ALL DOCTORS ARE GREEDYâ€

“THERE IS NO PROFESSION THAT IS ABSOLUTELY CLEANâ€

“DOCTORS ARE OBLIGED TO SERVE BY CHOICE, NOT BY COMPULSIONâ€

Sir,

I have been a big fan or your work, life and principles. I am also a fan of

‘Satyamev Jayate’. But I was shocked to see the episode on 27th May,

2012. You are an Icon. You should have thought well and done the

homework before doing such a biased show. There are only two people in

the film industry that are being taken seriously by the thinking class of

society, You and Amitabh Bacchhan. So, when you give such a biased and

one sided version of a story, it hurts. Speaking about such a thing on a

“commercial†TV show is bad. (I am sure you have taken a big amount, only

doctor are supposed to do charity and social work, not actors!!! Right!)

I want to highlight few important points here. And yes I am qualified to

make observations as I am a medical student.

1. Your guests and audience (the words were almost put in their mouth)

said that private colleges charge a capitation fee of 40 – 50 Lacs for MBBS,

you should have also produced some evidence of such practice. Like you

call a victim in all your episodes, why not here? And do the same story

Engineering, Architecture, Law and MBA colleges, do you think they are

clean? Why target doctors alone?

2. You said Since 2001, government opened 31 medical colleges and 106

private institutes were opened. – Please note that today in India, there are

a total of 181 Private and 152 Govt Medical colleges. So the number is not

as bad s you projected. Don’t project only the time period which suits your

story. Either give a complete picture or do not give a picture at all!

And also, please find out how many of these private colleges are owned by

politicians? 95% of Private colleges in India are owned and run by

politicians. It is a bloody nexus between politicians and MCI. The

corruption

by politicians is to blamed for the mess, not doctors!!!

3. One of your guest (Dr. Gulhati) said that doctors ask for 30%

commission from Pharma companies to write their drugs. That is baseless,

over-the-roof and sensationalizing the matter. That is as true as “Most

Leading actors ask newcomers to sleep with them†or “Lawyers take

money from both the sides in a legal battle†or “Most chartered

accountants teach their clients how to save tax and also pass info to

taxman on where his client saved taxâ€. I know all of you will shout “Where

is the proof?â€. So are doctors!!!

I am not trying to sensationalize things as you did on your show by

shading those fake tears, but just trying to project that allegations are

easy

to make. I know you will say that this was the opinion of our guest, and not

yours. But you provided a platform for these fake allegations.

4. You compared the numbers of Licenses cancelled in England and in

India. I must say your team is quite resourceful and please collect and

compare following details also –

a.Number of doctors beaten on duty by goons from various political outfits

in government hospitals in UK and India in last 10 years, and also the

number of people convicted for such crime.

b.The Stipend (Salary a post-graduate trainee doctor/intern gets) or Salary

and accommodation facilities provided to the doctors of the two countries.

c.The duty hours and working conditions of the doctors of the two

countries.

d.The academic and research infrastructure being provided to the medical

students.

5. You said that the most brilliant students who take up medicine, should

take it only for service to mankind, they should go to other fields if they

want to earn. Why? Are we living in imperialism? Are doctors not allowed to

earn and spend a good life? You were asking Dr. Devi Shetty whether he

can do humanitarian work and Earn at same time? This is like asking

Amirkhan or Shahrukh-khan their income and generalizing it for every actor

in the industry (Even junior artists). Sir, just as there are only few Khans

and Kapoors, There are even fewer Devi Shetty and Naresh Trehan who run

their chain of Multi-specialty hospitals spread all over the country. See

what it takes to become a doctor and then give such “Geeta-Gyanâ€.

a. 5 and half year of MBBS training and 1 more year of Compulsory Rural

Internship at Rs. 15000 - 20000 per month. (Any other field eg.

Engineering, Management, a person would become Postgraduate in this

much time and start earning double the amount.)

If one doesn’t study further, the pay at this step is 22,000 per month.

b. After above 6 and half years of Graduation, 3 more years of

Postgraduation, followed again by compulsory rural / Government job for 1

year or pay Rs. 25Lac bond.

If one doesn’t study further, the pay at this step is 40,000 per month.

c. After this above 10 and half years, 3 more years of Superspeciality,

followed by 1 year of Govt job or a Bond of Rs. 2 Crore.

And the seats are so few with tough competition, there tends to be a gap

of a year or two in preparing for various entrance exams.

6. Why only Doctors are being forced to work in rural and government

hospitals after their study? Why only we should pay government if we

don’t want to do it?

The rural/Govt sector needs help of Engineers, Lawyers, Chartered

Accountants and MBAs also.

Why aren’t the Engineers sent to rural areas to design and monitor roads

and industrials development?

Why aren’t the Lawyers forced to work as Public prosecutors before they

can join some big foreign corporate firm?

Why aren’t the CAs asked to work in CAG office and various other

government financial sectors before joining Multinational Giants?

Now government wants that doctors should not immigrate to other

countries without asking them. Why? Are the IIT/IIM students stopped

before they flee to foreign countries for big fat salaries? So, why us? What

is it that government of society has done for doctors that they should

repay? They bloody can’t even protect them from goons while on duty.

7. You say that doctors are writing unnecessary and costly medications. Do

we decide the price of a drug? Do we manufacture or give license to drug

manufacturers? Controlling the price of essential drugs is a government

job. We are helpless.

Sir, its easy to point fingers. We don’t say that all is well. But all is

not well

anywhere. Its a different thing creating awareness about dowry or female

feticide. But its entirely different to comment on such a technical and

complicated issue without getting into the details of it.

You have maligned the entire medical fraternity. For every 10 doctors who

are doing wrong, there are more than 1000 healers. You owe us an

apology!!! This issue is not as simple as you think it is! Please show

stories

which are unbiased and straight-forward. You cannot do justice to such an

issue, especially after charging a whooping amount for creating

awareness!!!

(We hear that Amir has charged 3 crores for episode of satyamevjayate in

which he spreads the message to doctors that they should not make

money and do social service!!! How sacred!!! I don’t know if its true, but

well, it’s the season of allegations!)

“We Doctors may be doing little social service, But at least we are not

charging for it!â€.........copied from https://www.facebook.com/

anchal.agarwal.146?sk=wall

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In fact, Atul, I had just drafted a mock episode of Satyamev Jayate, where

the small time actor Nawasuddin Syed talks to a host about casting practices

in the Film world.

'You mean to say that you act the same way as Salman Khan and Aamir Khan,

but you are paid just a few lakhs, while they walk off with more than 10

crores of rupees? "

" Yes! That is because they are related to the film world while as I am an

outsider. "

" Shocking! And how do they take this money? "

" Half of it is in cheque. But many first liners get rest of the payment in

cash. "

Rolling eyes for effect, " Itne karodo rapaye cash mein? Yani ki black

money? "

" Yes sir! "

" And tell me, the acting that you do, and the acting that a second grader

like Paresh Rawal does and the acting that a first grader does, is it any

different? "

" Not at all! In fact, if you saw Paan Singh Tomar and Kahaani, you will see

that I acted better than all of them combined! "

" Phir bhi unko karodo kyunki who kisi ke rishtedaar hai? " Eyebrows up!

" Come let us pledge that we shall start seeing all generic films with little

known actors. If you agree with me send an SMS saying Yes, and all that

money will be donated to the Psychiatric help fund for Aamir Khan. "

Kishore Shah 1974

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Great rejoinders Atul & Dr KS!!

 

Thanx for allowing me to vent my feelings!!

 

Diwakar'76

Subject: Re: open letter to Aamir Khan of Satyamev Jayte

To: mgims

Date: Monday, 28 May, 2012, 9:52 AM

 

In fact, Atul, I had just drafted a mock episode of Satyamev Jayate, where

the small time actor Nawasuddin Syed talks to a host about casting practices

in the Film world.

'You mean to say that you act the same way as Salman Khan and Aamir Khan,

but you are paid just a few lakhs, while they walk off with more than 10

crores of rupees? "

" Yes! That is because they are related to the film world while as I am an

outsider. "

" Shocking! And how do they take this money? "

" Half of it is in cheque. But many first liners get rest of the payment in

cash. "

Rolling eyes for effect, " Itne karodo rapaye cash mein? Yani ki black

money? "

" Yes sir! "

" And tell me, the acting that you do, and the acting that a second grader

like Paresh Rawal does and the acting that a first grader does, is it any

different? "

" Not at all! In fact, if you saw Paan Singh Tomar and Kahaani, you will see

that I acted better than all of them combined! "

" Phir bhi unko karodo kyunki who kisi ke rishtedaar hai? " Eyebrows up!

" Come let us pledge that we shall start seeing all generic films with little

known actors. If you agree with me send an SMS saying Yes, and all that

money will be donated to the Psychiatric help fund for Aamir Khan. "

Kishore Shah 1974

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Very good.........and very well written ................straight from the heart

but great facts..............Thank you Dr. Aggarwal

regards

aasawari91

angry doctor ............furious.............

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Sent: Sunday, 27 May 2012 11:51 PM

Subject: open letter to Aamir Khan of Satyamev Jayte

 

Deepchand Khandelwal <https://www.facebook.com/drdeepchand>

‎ " Message to AMIRKHAN - READ AND SHARE ALL MEDICOS N DOCTORS.

Dear Mr. Amir Khah,

“NOT ALL DOCTORS ARE GREEDYâ€

“THERE IS NO PROFESSION THAT IS ABSOLUTELY CLEANâ€

“DOCTORS ARE OBLIGED TO SERVE BY CHOICE, NOT BY COMPULSIONâ€

Sir,

I have been a big fan or your work, life and principles. I am also a fan of

‘Satyamev Jayate’. But I was shocked to see the episode on 27th May,

2012. You are an Icon. You should have thought well and done the

homework before doing such a biased show. There are only two people in

the film industry that are being taken seriously by the thinking class of

society, You and Amitabh Bacchhan. So, when you give such a biased and

one sided version of a story, it hurts. Speaking about such a thing on a

“commercial†TV show is bad. (I am sure you have taken a big amount, only

doctor are supposed to do charity and social work, not actors!!! Right!)

I want to highlight few important points here. And yes I am qualified to

make observations as I am a medical student.

1. Your guests and audience (the words were almost put in their mouth)

said that private colleges charge a capitation fee of 40 – 50 Lacs for MBBS,

you should have also produced some evidence of such practice. Like you

call a victim in all your episodes, why not here? And do the same story

Engineering, Architecture, Law and MBA colleges, do you think they are

clean? Why target doctors alone?

2. You said Since 2001, government opened 31 medical colleges and 106

private institutes were opened. – Please note that today in India, there are

a total of 181 Private and 152 Govt Medical colleges. So the number is not

as bad s you projected. Don’t project only the time period which suits your

story. Either give a complete picture or do not give a picture at all!

And also, please find out how many of these private colleges are owned by

politicians? 95% of Private colleges in India are owned and run by

politicians. It is a bloody nexus between politicians and MCI. The

corruption

by politicians is to blamed for the mess, not doctors!!!

3. One of your guest (Dr. Gulhati) said that doctors ask for 30%

commission from Pharma companies to write their drugs. That is baseless,

over-the-roof and sensationalizing the matter. That is as true as “Most

Leading actors ask newcomers to sleep with them†or “Lawyers take

money from both the sides in a legal battle†or “Most chartered

accountants teach their clients how to save tax and also pass info to

taxman on where his client saved taxâ€. I know all of you will shout “Where

is the proof?â€. So are doctors!!!

I am not trying to sensationalize things as you did on your show by

shading those fake tears, but just trying to project that allegations are

easy

to make. I know you will say that this was the opinion of our guest, and not

yours. But you provided a platform for these fake allegations.

4. You compared the numbers of Licenses cancelled in England and in

India. I must say your team is quite resourceful and please collect and

compare following details also –

a.Number of doctors beaten on duty by goons from various political outfits

in government hospitals in UK and India in last 10 years, and also the

number of people convicted for such crime.

b.The Stipend (Salary a post-graduate trainee doctor/intern gets) or Salary

and accommodation facilities provided to the doctors of the two countries.

c.The duty hours and working conditions of the doctors of the two

countries.

d.The academic and research infrastructure being provided to the medical

students.

5. You said that the most brilliant students who take up medicine, should

take it only for service to mankind, they should go to other fields if they

want to earn. Why? Are we living in imperialism? Are doctors not allowed to

earn and spend a good life? You were asking Dr. Devi Shetty whether he

can do humanitarian work and Earn at same time? This is like asking

Amirkhan or Shahrukh-khan their income and generalizing it for every actor

in the industry (Even junior artists). Sir, just as there are only few Khans

and Kapoors, There are even fewer Devi Shetty and Naresh Trehan who run

their chain of Multi-specialty hospitals spread all over the country. See

what it takes to become a doctor and then give such “Geeta-Gyanâ€.

a. 5 and half year of MBBS training and 1 more year of Compulsory Rural

Internship at Rs. 15000 - 20000 per month. (Any other field eg.

Engineering, Management, a person would become Postgraduate in this

much time and start earning double the amount.)

If one doesn’t study further, the pay at this step is 22,000 per month.

b. After above 6 and half years of Graduation, 3 more years of

Postgraduation, followed again by compulsory rural / Government job for 1

year or pay Rs. 25Lac bond.

If one doesn’t study further, the pay at this step is 40,000 per month.

c. After this above 10 and half years, 3 more years of Superspeciality,

followed by 1 year of Govt job or a Bond of Rs. 2 Crore.

And the seats are so few with tough competition, there tends to be a gap

of a year or two in preparing for various entrance exams.

6. Why only Doctors are being forced to work in rural and government

hospitals after their study? Why only we should pay government if we

don’t want to do it?

The rural/Govt sector needs help of Engineers, Lawyers, Chartered

Accountants and MBAs also.

Why aren’t the Engineers sent to rural areas to design and monitor roads

and industrials development?

Why aren’t the Lawyers forced to work as Public prosecutors before they

can join some big foreign corporate firm?

Why aren’t the CAs asked to work in CAG office and various other

government financial sectors before joining Multinational Giants?

Now government wants that doctors should not immigrate to other

countries without asking them. Why? Are the IIT/IIM students stopped

before they flee to foreign countries for big fat salaries? So, why us? What

is it that government of society has done for doctors that they should

repay? They bloody can’t even protect them from goons while on duty.

7. You say that doctors are writing unnecessary and costly medications. Do

we decide the price of a drug? Do we manufacture or give license to drug

manufacturers? Controlling the price of essential drugs is a government

job. We are helpless.

Sir, its easy to point fingers. We don’t say that all is well. But all is

not well

anywhere. Its a different thing creating awareness about dowry or female

feticide. But its entirely different to comment on such a technical and

complicated issue without getting into the details of it.

You have maligned the entire medical fraternity. For every 10 doctors who

are doing wrong, there are more than 1000 healers. You owe us an

apology!!! This issue is not as simple as you think it is! Please show

stories

which are unbiased and straight-forward. You cannot do justice to such an

issue, especially after charging a whooping amount for creating

awareness!!!

(We hear that Amir has charged 3 crores for episode of satyamevjayate in

which he spreads the message to doctors that they should not make

money and do social service!!! How sacred!!! I don’t know if its true, but

well, it’s the season of allegations!)

“We Doctors may be doing little social service, But at least we are not

charging for it!â€.........copied from https://www.facebook.com/

anchal.agarwal.146?sk=wall

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Well wrtten . Everybody needs to introspect before commenting on others ,

creating a wrong impression about a noble profession through apowerful

electronic media. There are black sheeps in all profession in different

proportions, however there have been not one but two episodes (1st and 4th)

about doctors and it needs to be protested strongly.

OPGupta

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From: agarwaldratul@...

Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 01:21:18 +0530

Subject: open letter to Aamir Khan of Satyamev Jayte

Deepchand Khandelwal <https://www.facebook.com/drdeepchand>

ý " Message to AMIRKHAN - READ AND SHARE ALL MEDICOS N DOCTORS.

Dear Mr. Amir Khah,

“NOT ALL DOCTORS ARE GREEDY”

“THERE IS NO PROFESSION THAT IS ABSOLUTELY CLEAN”

“DOCTORS ARE OBLIGED TO SERVE BY CHOICE, NOT BY COMPULSION”

Sir,

I have been a big fan or your work, life and principles. I am also a fan of

‘Satyamev Jayate’. But I was shocked to see the episode on 27th May,

2012. You are an Icon. You should have thought well and done the

homework before doing such a biased show. There are only two people in

the film industry that are being taken seriously by the thinking class of

society, You and Amitabh Bacchhan. So, when you give such a biased and

one sided version of a story, it hurts. Speaking about such a thing on a

“commercial” TV show is bad. (I am sure you have taken a big amount, only

doctor are supposed to do charity and social work, not actors!!! Right!)

I want to highlight few important points here. And yes I am qualified to

make observations as I am a medical student.

1. Your guests and audience (the words were almost put in their mouth)

said that private colleges charge a capitation fee of 40 – 50 Lacs for MBBS,

you should have also produced some evidence of such practice. Like you

call a victim in all your episodes, why not here? And do the same story

Engineering, Architecture, Law and MBA colleges, do you think they are

clean? Why target doctors alone?

2. You said Since 2001, government opened 31 medical colleges and 106

private institutes were opened. – Please note that today in India, there are

a total of 181 Private and 152 Govt Medical colleges. So the number is not

as bad s you projected. Don’t project only the time period which suits your

story. Either give a complete picture or do not give a picture at all!

And also, please find out how many of these private colleges are owned by

politicians? 95% of Private colleges in India are owned and run by

politicians. It is a bloody nexus between politicians and MCI. The

corruption

by politicians is to blamed for the mess, not doctors!!!

3. One of your guest (Dr. Gulhati) said that doctors ask for 30%

commission from Pharma companies to write their drugs. That is baseless,

over-the-roof and sensationalizing the matter. That is as true as “Most

Leading actors ask newcomers to sleep with them” or “Lawyers take

money from both the sides in a legal battle” or “Most chartered

accountants teach their clients how to save tax and also pass info to

taxman on where his client saved tax”. I know all of you will shout “Where

is the proof?”. So are doctors!!!

I am not trying to sensationalize things as you did on your show by

shading those fake tears, but just trying to project that allegations are

easy

to make. I know you will say that this was the opinion of our guest, and not

yours. But you provided a platform for these fake allegations.

4. You compared the numbers of Licenses cancelled in England and in

India. I must say your team is quite resourceful and please collect and

compare following details also –

a.Number of doctors beaten on duty by goons from various political outfits

in government hospitals in UK and India in last 10 years, and also the

number of people convicted for such crime.

b.The Stipend (Salary a post-graduate trainee doctor/intern gets) or Salary

and accommodation facilities provided to the doctors of the two countries.

c.The duty hours and working conditions of the doctors of the two

countries.

d.The academic and research infrastructure being provided to the medical

students.

5. You said that the most brilliant students who take up medicine, should

take it only for service to mankind, they should go to other fields if they

want to earn. Why? Are we living in imperialism? Are doctors not allowed to

earn and spend a good life? You were asking Dr. Devi Shetty whether he

can do humanitarian work and Earn at same time? This is like asking

Amirkhan or Shahrukh-khan their income and generalizing it for every actor

in the industry (Even junior artists). Sir, just as there are only few Khans

and Kapoors, There are even fewer Devi Shetty and Naresh Trehan who run

their chain of Multi-specialty hospitals spread all over the country. See

what it takes to become a doctor and then give such “Geeta-Gyan”.

a. 5 and half year of MBBS training and 1 more year of Compulsory Rural

Internship at Rs. 15000 - 20000 per month. (Any other field eg.

Engineering, Management, a person would become Postgraduate in this

much time and start earning double the amount.)

If one doesn’t study further, the pay at this step is 22,000 per month.

b. After above 6 and half years of Graduation, 3 more years of

Postgraduation, followed again by compulsory rural / Government job for 1

year or pay Rs. 25Lac bond.

If one doesn’t study further, the pay at this step is 40,000 per month.

c. After this above 10 and half years, 3 more years of Superspeciality,

followed by 1 year of Govt job or a Bond of Rs. 2 Crore.

And the seats are so few with tough competition, there tends to be a gap

of a year or two in preparing for various entrance exams.

6. Why only Doctors are being forced to work in rural and government

hospitals after their study? Why only we should pay government if we

don’t want to do it?

The rural/Govt sector needs help of Engineers, Lawyers, Chartered

Accountants and MBAs also.

Why aren’t the Engineers sent to rural areas to design and monitor roads

and industrials development?

Why aren’t the Lawyers forced to work as Public prosecutors before they

can join some big foreign corporate firm?

Why aren’t the CAs asked to work in CAG office and various other

government financial sectors before joining Multinational Giants?

Now government wants that doctors should not immigrate to other

countries without asking them. Why? Are the IIT/IIM students stopped

before they flee to foreign countries for big fat salaries? So, why us? What

is it that government of society has done for doctors that they should

repay? They bloody can’t even protect them from goons while on duty.

7. You say that doctors are writing unnecessary and costly medications. Do

we decide the price of a drug? Do we manufacture or give license to drug

manufacturers? Controlling the price of essential drugs is a government

job. We are helpless.

Sir, its easy to point fingers. We don’t say that all is well. But all is

not well

anywhere. Its a different thing creating awareness about dowry or female

feticide. But its entirely different to comment on such a technical and

complicated issue without getting into the details of it.

You have maligned the entire medical fraternity. For every 10 doctors who

are doing wrong, there are more than 1000 healers. You owe us an

apology!!! This issue is not as simple as you think it is! Please show

stories

which are unbiased and straight-forward. You cannot do justice to such an

issue, especially after charging a whooping amount for creating

awareness!!!

(We hear that Amir has charged 3 crores for episode of satyamevjayate in

which he spreads the message to doctors that they should not make

money and do social service!!! How sacred!!! I don’t know if its true, but

well, it’s the season of allegations!)

“We Doctors may be doing little social service, But at least we are not

charging for it!”.........copied from https://www.facebook.com/

anchal.agarwal.146?sk=wall

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I am forwarding herewith another mail in the same context--

29th May 2012, Tuesday

Doctors are a soft target in 'Satyamav Jayate'

In the first four episodes of Satyamev Jayate, Aamir Khan has targeted doctors

in two of them – one was in the first episode relating to PNDT Act and in the

fourth episode, dealing with medical profession.

It is very unfortunate that the doctors are becoming soft targets in the

electronic news channels. It only shows that medical profession at the level of

various medical associations is not united. I would like to comment on some of

the issues (in bold) raised by Aamir Khan in his programme.

Doctors should write generic medicines

We agree that doctors should write generic medicines. From today onwards, let’s

start writing generic medicines but where are they available? Are there chemists

who stock generic medicines? Or even if some of them do, which generic medicines

will they issue and of which company? Are all generic drugs from different

companies priced at the same rates? Will chemists not become the bosses in

choosing the brand and company? If the Government is really serious that doctors

should write generic medicines, why are they giving licenses to market branded

drugs? Are doctors selling any drug or brand, which is not approved by the

government? Why can’t government come out with a directive of doctor’s control

on every drug? Why is that each time it is the doctors who are blamed? If we

start writing generic drugs what is the guarantee that fake drugs will not enter

into the system?

Is the government informing each and every doctor about any drug introduced or

drug banned? Is the government informing every doctor about the pricelist of the

drugs to all the doctors? FDA in USA does it regularly but the Drug Controller

of India updates its website with new introduction of medicines once in six

months. In the West, you have only one company dealing with one brand but in

India there are hundreds of companies for a single molecule.

It is easy to target doctors but in reality it is the system which is to be

blamed.

Doctors get 30% commission through pharmaceutical companies mentioned in a

statement issued by one of our medical fraternity colleagues.

Our profession gets a bad name only when our colleagues issue loose statements.

The same should be condemned. Will IMA act against this statement of one of our

colleagues?

Doctors are corrupt and they pass on and they take 50% commission from

investigations and imaging techniques.

This is something which needs to be answered. We need to introspect ourselves

and start writing on our letterheads that “I don’t take or give commissions.”

But unfortunately, the situation is that the doctors are under the purview of

Medical Council of India but the hospitals are not. Every corporate sector

hospital in the country has a marketing division which has agents and touts and

secured business by distributing incentives. Who will control them? It should be

the job of the Health Ministry to do the same.

For Comments and archives…

Dr KK Aggarwal

Group Editor in Chief

To:

From: agarwaldratul@...

Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 01:21:18 +0530

Subject: open letter to Aamir Khan of Satyamev Jayte

Deepchand Khandelwal <https://www.facebook.com/drdeepchand>

ý " Message to AMIRKHAN - READ AND SHARE ALL MEDICOS N DOCTORS.

Dear Mr. Amir Khah,

“NOT ALL DOCTORS ARE GREEDY”

“THERE IS NO PROFESSION THAT IS ABSOLUTELY CLEAN”

“DOCTORS ARE OBLIGED TO SERVE BY CHOICE, NOT BY COMPULSION”

Sir,

I have been a big fan or your work, life and principles. I am also a fan of

‘Satyamev Jayate’. But I was shocked to see the episode on 27th May,

2012. You are an Icon. You should have thought well and done the

homework before doing such a biased show. There are only two people in

the film industry that are being taken seriously by the thinking class of

society, You and Amitabh Bacchhan. So, when you give such a biased and

one sided version of a story, it hurts. Speaking about such a thing on a

“commercial” TV show is bad. (I am sure you have taken a big amount, only

doctor are supposed to do charity and social work, not actors!!! Right!)

I want to highlight few important points here. And yes I am qualified to

make observations as I am a medical student.

1. Your guests and audience (the words were almost put in their mouth)

said that private colleges charge a capitation fee of 40 – 50 Lacs for MBBS,

you should have also produced some evidence of such practice. Like you

call a victim in all your episodes, why not here? And do the same story

Engineering, Architecture, Law and MBA colleges, do you think they are

clean? Why target doctors alone?

2. You said Since 2001, government opened 31 medical colleges and 106

private institutes were opened. – Please note that today in India, there are

a total of 181 Private and 152 Govt Medical colleges. So the number is not

as bad s you projected. Don’t project only the time period which suits your

story. Either give a complete picture or do not give a picture at all!

And also, please find out how many of these private colleges are owned by

politicians? 95% of Private colleges in India are owned and run by

politicians. It is a bloody nexus between politicians and MCI. The

corruption

by politicians is to blamed for the mess, not doctors!!!

3. One of your guest (Dr. Gulhati) said that doctors ask for 30%

commission from Pharma companies to write their drugs. That is baseless,

over-the-roof and sensationalizing the matter. That is as true as “Most

Leading actors ask newcomers to sleep with them” or “Lawyers take

money from both the sides in a legal battle” or “Most chartered

accountants teach their clients how to save tax and also pass info to

taxman on where his client saved tax”. I know all of you will shout “Where

is the proof?”. So are doctors!!!

I am not trying to sensationalize things as you did on your show by

shading those fake tears, but just trying to project that allegations are

easy

to make. I know you will say that this was the opinion of our guest, and not

yours. But you provided a platform for these fake allegations.

4. You compared the numbers of Licenses cancelled in England and in

India. I must say your team is quite resourceful and please collect and

compare following details also –

a.Number of doctors beaten on duty by goons from various political outfits

in government hospitals in UK and India in last 10 years, and also the

number of people convicted for such crime.

b.The Stipend (Salary a post-graduate trainee doctor/intern gets) or Salary

and accommodation facilities provided to the doctors of the two countries.

c.The duty hours and working conditions of the doctors of the two

countries.

d.The academic and research infrastructure being provided to the medical

students.

5. You said that the most brilliant students who take up medicine, should

take it only for service to mankind, they should go to other fields if they

want to earn. Why? Are we living in imperialism? Are doctors not allowed to

earn and spend a good life? You were asking Dr. Devi Shetty whether he

can do humanitarian work and Earn at same time? This is like asking

Amirkhan or Shahrukh-khan their income and generalizing it for every actor

in the industry (Even junior artists). Sir, just as there are only few Khans

and Kapoors, There are even fewer Devi Shetty and Naresh Trehan who run

their chain of Multi-specialty hospitals spread all over the country. See

what it takes to become a doctor and then give such “Geeta-Gyan”.

a. 5 and half year of MBBS training and 1 more year of Compulsory Rural

Internship at Rs. 15000 - 20000 per month. (Any other field eg.

Engineering, Management, a person would become Postgraduate in this

much time and start earning double the amount.)

If one doesn’t study further, the pay at this step is 22,000 per month.

b. After above 6 and half years of Graduation, 3 more years of

Postgraduation, followed again by compulsory rural / Government job for 1

year or pay Rs. 25Lac bond.

If one doesn’t study further, the pay at this step is 40,000 per month.

c. After this above 10 and half years, 3 more years of Superspeciality,

followed by 1 year of Govt job or a Bond of Rs. 2 Crore.

And the seats are so few with tough competition, there tends to be a gap

of a year or two in preparing for various entrance exams.

6. Why only Doctors are being forced to work in rural and government

hospitals after their study? Why only we should pay government if we

don’t want to do it?

The rural/Govt sector needs help of Engineers, Lawyers, Chartered

Accountants and MBAs also.

Why aren’t the Engineers sent to rural areas to design and monitor roads

and industrials development?

Why aren’t the Lawyers forced to work as Public prosecutors before they

can join some big foreign corporate firm?

Why aren’t the CAs asked to work in CAG office and various other

government financial sectors before joining Multinational Giants?

Now government wants that doctors should not immigrate to other

countries without asking them. Why? Are the IIT/IIM students stopped

before they flee to foreign countries for big fat salaries? So, why us? What

is it that government of society has done for doctors that they should

repay? They bloody can’t even protect them from goons while on duty.

7. You say that doctors are writing unnecessary and costly medications. Do

we decide the price of a drug? Do we manufacture or give license to drug

manufacturers? Controlling the price of essential drugs is a government

job. We are helpless.

Sir, its easy to point fingers. We don’t say that all is well. But all is

not well

anywhere. Its a different thing creating awareness about dowry or female

feticide. But its entirely different to comment on such a technical and

complicated issue without getting into the details of it.

You have maligned the entire medical fraternity. For every 10 doctors who

are doing wrong, there are more than 1000 healers. You owe us an

apology!!! This issue is not as simple as you think it is! Please show

stories

which are unbiased and straight-forward. You cannot do justice to such an

issue, especially after charging a whooping amount for creating

awareness!!!

(We hear that Amir has charged 3 crores for episode of satyamevjayate in

which he spreads the message to doctors that they should not make

money and do social service!!! How sacred!!! I don’t know if its true, but

well, it’s the season of allegations!)

“We Doctors may be doing little social service, But at least we are not

charging for it!”.........copied from https://www.facebook.com/

anchal.agarwal.146?sk=wall

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A OPGgood one--Sheeshe ke ghar mein rahne wale doosron par patthar nahi

uchhalte--they need to know it

To: mgims

From: kshahsky@...

Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 09:52:56 +0530

Subject: Re: open letter to Aamir Khan of Satyamev Jayte

In fact, Atul, I had just drafted a mock episode of Satyamev Jayate, where

the small time actor Nawasuddin Syed talks to a host about casting practices

in the Film world.

'You mean to say that you act the same way as Salman Khan and Aamir Khan,

but you are paid just a few lakhs, while they walk off with more than 10

crores of rupees? "

" Yes! That is because they are related to the film world while as I am an

outsider. "

" Shocking! And how do they take this money? "

" Half of it is in cheque. But many first liners get rest of the payment in

cash. "

Rolling eyes for effect, " Itne karodo rapaye cash mein? Yani ki black

money? "

" Yes sir! "

" And tell me, the acting that you do, and the acting that a second grader

like Paresh Rawal does and the acting that a first grader does, is it any

different? "

" Not at all! In fact, if you saw Paan Singh Tomar and Kahaani, you will see

that I acted better than all of them combined! "

" Phir bhi unko karodo kyunki who kisi ke rishtedaar hai? " Eyebrows up!

" Come let us pledge that we shall start seeing all generic films with little

known actors. If you agree with me send an SMS saying Yes, and all that

money will be donated to the Psychiatric help fund for Aamir Khan. "

Kishore Shah 1974

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A good one--Sheeshe ke ghar mein rahne wale doosron par patthar nahi

uchhalte--they need to know it

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To: mgims

From: kshahsky@...

Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 09:52:56 +0530

Subject: Re: open letter to Aamir Khan of Satyamev Jayte

In fact, Atul, I had just drafted a mock episode of Satyamev Jayate, where

the small time actor Nawasuddin Syed talks to a host about casting practices

in the Film world.

'You mean to say that you act the same way as Salman Khan and Aamir Khan,

but you are paid just a few lakhs, while they walk off with more than 10

crores of rupees? "

" Yes! That is because they are related to the film world while as I am an

outsider. "

" Shocking! And how do they take this money? "

" Half of it is in cheque. But many first liners get rest of the payment in

cash. "

Rolling eyes for effect, " Itne karodo rapaye cash mein? Yani ki black

money? "

" Yes sir! "

" And tell me, the acting that you do, and the acting that a second grader

like Paresh Rawal does and the acting that a first grader does, is it any

different? "

" Not at all! In fact, if you saw Paan Singh Tomar and Kahaani, you will see

that I acted better than all of them combined! "

" Phir bhi unko karodo kyunki who kisi ke rishtedaar hai? " Eyebrows up!

" Come let us pledge that we shall start seeing all generic films with little

known actors. If you agree with me send an SMS saying Yes, and all that

money will be donated to the Psychiatric help fund for Aamir Khan. "

Kishore Shah 1974

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Thanks again Sir

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> A OPGgood one--Sheeshe ke ghar mein rahne wale doosron par patthar nahi

> uchhalte--they need to know it

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The last episode of Satyameva Jayate- has ruffled a few feathers. As a

member of the profession I too was upset and felt maligned.

I agree that there are a few bad doctors who hog press coverage and the many

more that do a lot of good are left unappreciated. However there are a few

home truths we need to accept however bitter they may be.

The relationship between doctors and patients is an unequal one. The patient

is vulnerable. Especially in our set up they look up to the doctor to take

decisions.

I am not against the need for doctors to earn well and lead a comfy life but

should it be done at the cost of others?

Treat and take money but do not do unnecessary treatments to make a profit

or take money for treatment not done. Surely that cannot be condoned.

We all know of patients who used to come to us in MGIMS with a history of

colectomy done in Andhra Pradesh but when a laparotomy was performed-

nothing had been done- just the skin scar. How ethical is that?

I am a surgeon myself and am aware that complications are part of the game

but-

How can you rationalise doing a pancreatic transplant when not required or

consented for?

I know of my own mama who was operated on - a bypass without proper pre-op

checks. Inevitable died post op- but to add salt to the wounds was 'kept

alive' on life support in the ITU to prolong 'life' or was it the 'bill'?

I know of a surgeon who added an abdominoplasty to my old maasi's

hysterectomy offer. She is 65+ and not really going to swan around in a

bikini next summer. The only reason we could elucidate this was because she

did not know what the abdominoplasty involved and wanted me to talk to her

surgeon. I did that as I was unsure whether he meant a real abdominoplasty

as a cosmetic op or he was calling routine closure of abdomen by a posh

name. He actually had meant the cosmetic op so I explained that she was not

keen on a 'nip and tuck'. How can rationalise this practice?

Re the bit about hysterectomies- I know most of the women on my in law's

side in Kadapa are sans uterus. The sad thing is they have undergone BSO at

the age of 35+ with its associated risks of an early menopause.

Every fibroid is sold as a 'tumor'- or 'gedda' as in Telugu with 'immense

malignant potential' though all evidence would confirm that sarcomatous

change in fibroids is ~0.5%. No one has discussed the pros and cons of

surgery. How correct can that be.

No profession is without its black sheep but when malpractice is considered

acceptable and is condoned by professional bodies all other arguments fade.

'Cuts' are rampant. I am told in smaller towns auto rickshaw wallas are also

involved in the 'cut' to lure folk off trains/buses to a doctor.

I am proud of my profession. I am the first to say that the number of

doctors doing good in India outnumber those that don't. Rather than get

defensive we need to try and address the problem before we lose credibility.

There is no condoning malpractice both medical and ethical.

We who consider ourselves to be professionals should also be held

accountable for our actions.

I do not think we can equate the medical profession to acting. You cannot

compare apples to oranges.

Malini

open letter to Aamir Khan of Satyamev Jayte

Deepchand Khandelwal <https://www.facebook.com/drdeepchand>

ý " Message to AMIRKHAN - READ AND SHARE ALL MEDICOS N DOCTORS.

Dear Mr. Amir Khah,

“NOT ALL DOCTORS ARE GREEDY”

“THERE IS NO PROFESSION THAT IS ABSOLUTELY CLEAN”

“DOCTORS ARE OBLIGED TO SERVE BY CHOICE, NOT BY COMPULSION”

Sir,

I have been a big fan or your work, life and principles. I am also a fan of

‘Satyamev Jayate’. But I was shocked to see the episode on 27th May, 2012.

You are an Icon. You should have thought well and done the homework before

doing such a biased show. There are only two people in the film industry

that are being taken seriously by the thinking class of society, You and

Amitabh Bacchhan. So, when you give such a biased and one sided version of a

story, it hurts. Speaking about such a thing on a “commercial” TV show is

bad. (I am sure you have taken a big amount, only doctor are supposed to do

charity and social work, not actors!!! Right!) I want to highlight few

important points here. And yes I am qualified to make observations as I am a

medical student.

1. Your guests and audience (the words were almost put in their mouth) said

that private colleges charge a capitation fee of 40 – 50 Lacs for MBBS, you

should have also produced some evidence of such practice. Like you call a

victim in all your episodes, why not here? And do the same story

Engineering, Architecture, Law and MBA colleges, do you think they are

clean? Why target doctors alone?

2. You said Since 2001, government opened 31 medical colleges and 106

private institutes were opened. – Please note that today in India, there are

a total of 181 Private and 152 Govt Medical colleges. So the number is not

as bad s you projected. Don’t project only the time period which suits your

story. Either give a complete picture or do not give a picture at all!

And also, please find out how many of these private colleges are owned by

politicians? 95% of Private colleges in India are owned and run by

politicians. It is a bloody nexus between politicians and MCI. The

corruption by politicians is to blamed for the mess, not doctors!!!

3. One of your guest (Dr. Gulhati) said that doctors ask for 30% commission

from Pharma companies to write their drugs. That is baseless, over-the-roof

and sensationalizing the matter. That is as true as “Most Leading actors ask

newcomers to sleep with them” or “Lawyers take money from both the sides in

a legal battle” or “Most chartered accountants teach their clients how to

save tax and also pass info to taxman on where his client saved tax”. I know

all of you will shout “Where is the proof?”. So are doctors!!!

I am not trying to sensationalize things as you did on your show by shading

those fake tears, but just trying to project that allegations are easy to

make. I know you will say that this was the opinion of our guest, and not

yours. But you provided a platform for these fake allegations.

4. You compared the numbers of Licenses cancelled in England and in India. I

must say your team is quite resourceful and please collect and compare

following details also – a.Number of doctors beaten on duty by goons from

various political outfits in government hospitals in UK and India in last 10

years, and also the number of people convicted for such crime.

b.The Stipend (Salary a post-graduate trainee doctor/intern gets) or Salary

and accommodation facilities provided to the doctors of the two countries.

c.The duty hours and working conditions of the doctors of the two countries.

d.The academic and research infrastructure being provided to the medical

students.

5. You said that the most brilliant students who take up medicine, should

take it only for service to mankind, they should go to other fields if they

want to earn. Why? Are we living in imperialism? Are doctors not allowed to

earn and spend a good life? You were asking Dr. Devi Shetty whether he can

do humanitarian work and Earn at same time? This is like asking Amirkhan or

Shahrukh-khan their income and generalizing it for every actor in the

industry (Even junior artists). Sir, just as there are only few Khans and

Kapoors, There are even fewer Devi Shetty and Naresh Trehan who run their

chain of Multi-specialty hospitals spread all over the country. See what it

takes to become a doctor and then give such “Geeta-Gyan”.

a. 5 and half year of MBBS training and 1 more year of Compulsory Rural

Internship at Rs. 15000 - 20000 per month. (Any other field eg.

Engineering, Management, a person would become Postgraduate in this much

time and start earning double the amount.) If one doesn’t study further, the

pay at this step is 22,000 per month.

b. After above 6 and half years of Graduation, 3 more years of

Postgraduation, followed again by compulsory rural / Government job for 1

year or pay Rs. 25Lac bond.

If one doesn’t study further, the pay at this step is 40,000 per month.

c. After this above 10 and half years, 3 more years of Superspeciality,

followed by 1 year of Govt job or a Bond of Rs. 2 Crore.

And the seats are so few with tough competition, there tends to be a gap of

a year or two in preparing for various entrance exams.

6. Why only Doctors are being forced to work in rural and government

hospitals after their study? Why only we should pay government if we don’t

want to do it?

The rural/Govt sector needs help of Engineers, Lawyers, Chartered

Accountants and MBAs also.

Why aren’t the Engineers sent to rural areas to design and monitor roads and

industrials development?

Why aren’t the Lawyers forced to work as Public prosecutors before they can

join some big foreign corporate firm?

Why aren’t the CAs asked to work in CAG office and various other government

financial sectors before joining Multinational Giants?

Now government wants that doctors should not immigrate to other countries

without asking them. Why? Are the IIT/IIM students stopped before they flee

to foreign countries for big fat salaries? So, why us? What is it that

government of society has done for doctors that they should repay? They

bloody can’t even protect them from goons while on duty.

7. You say that doctors are writing unnecessary and costly medications. Do

we decide the price of a drug? Do we manufacture or give license to drug

manufacturers? Controlling the price of essential drugs is a government job.

We are helpless.

Sir, its easy to point fingers. We don’t say that all is well. But all is

not well anywhere. Its a different thing creating awareness about dowry or

female feticide. But its entirely different to comment on such a technical

and complicated issue without getting into the details of it.

You have maligned the entire medical fraternity. For every 10 doctors who

are doing wrong, there are more than 1000 healers. You owe us an apology!!!

This issue is not as simple as you think it is! Please show stories which

are unbiased and straight-forward. You cannot do justice to such an issue,

especially after charging a whooping amount for creating awareness!!!

(We hear that Amir has charged 3 crores for episode of satyamevjayate in

which he spreads the message to doctors that they should not make money and

do social service!!! How sacred!!! I don’t know if its true, but well, it’s

the season of allegations!) “We Doctors may be doing little social service,

But at least we are not charging for it!”.........copied from

https://www.facebook.com/ anchal.agarwal.146?sk=wall

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Ravin '82

> **

>

>

> The last episode of Satyameva Jayate- has ruffled a few feathers. As a

> member of the profession I too was upset and felt maligned.

> I agree that there are a few bad doctors who hog press coverage and the

> many

> more that do a lot of good are left unappreciated. However there are a few

> home truths we need to accept however bitter they may be.

>

> The relationship between doctors and patients is an unequal one. The

> patient

> is vulnerable. Especially in our set up they look up to the doctor to take

> decisions.

> I am not against the need for doctors to earn well and lead a comfy life

> but

> should it be done at the cost of others?

> Treat and take money but do not do unnecessary treatments to make a profit

> or take money for treatment not done. Surely that cannot be condoned.

> We all know of patients who used to come to us in MGIMS with a history of

> colectomy done in Andhra Pradesh but when a laparotomy was performed-

> nothing had been done- just the skin scar. How ethical is that?

> I am a surgeon myself and am aware that complications are part of the game

> but-

> How can you rationalise doing a pancreatic transplant when not required or

> consented for?

> I know of my own mama who was operated on - a bypass without proper pre-op

> checks. Inevitable died post op- but to add salt to the wounds was 'kept

> alive' on life support in the ITU to prolong 'life' or was it the 'bill'?

> I know of a surgeon who added an abdominoplasty to my old maasi's

> hysterectomy offer. She is 65+ and not really going to swan around in a

> bikini next summer. The only reason we could elucidate this was because she

> did not know what the abdominoplasty involved and wanted me to talk to her

> surgeon. I did that as I was unsure whether he meant a real abdominoplasty

> as a cosmetic op or he was calling routine closure of abdomen by a posh

> name. He actually had meant the cosmetic op so I explained that she was not

> keen on a 'nip and tuck'. How can rationalise this practice?

> Re the bit about hysterectomies- I know most of the women on my in law's

> side in Kadapa are sans uterus. The sad thing is they have undergone BSO at

> the age of 35+ with its associated risks of an early menopause.

> Every fibroid is sold as a 'tumor'- or 'gedda' as in Telugu with 'immense

> malignant potential' though all evidence would confirm that sarcomatous

> change in fibroids is ~0.5%. No one has discussed the pros and cons of

> surgery. How correct can that be.

> No profession is without its black sheep but when malpractice is considered

> acceptable and is condoned by professional bodies all other arguments

> fade.

> 'Cuts' are rampant. I am told in smaller towns auto rickshaw wallas are

> also

> involved in the 'cut' to lure folk off trains/buses to a doctor.

>

> I am proud of my profession. I am the first to say that the number of

> doctors doing good in India outnumber those that don't. Rather than get

> defensive we need to try and address the problem before we lose

> credibility.

> There is no condoning malpractice both medical and ethical.

> We who consider ourselves to be professionals should also be held

> accountable for our actions.

> I do not think we can equate the medical profession to acting. You cannot

> compare apples to oranges.

>

> Malini

>

> open letter to Aamir Khan of Satyamev Jayte

>

> Deepchand Khandelwal <https://www.facebook.com/drdeepchand>

> ý " Message to AMIRKHAN - READ AND SHARE ALL MEDICOS N DOCTORS.

> Dear Mr. Amir Khah,

> “NOT ALL DOCTORS ARE GREEDY”

> “THERE IS NO PROFESSION THAT IS ABSOLUTELY CLEAN”

> “DOCTORS ARE OBLIGED TO SERVE BY CHOICE, NOT BY COMPULSION”

> Sir,

> I have been a big fan or your work, life and principles. I am also a fan of

> ‘Satyamev Jayate’. But I was shocked to see the episode on 27th May, 2012.

> You are an Icon. You should have thought well and done the homework before

> doing such a biased show. There are only two people in the film industry

> that are being taken seriously by the thinking class of society, You and

> Amitabh Bacchhan. So, when you give such a biased and one sided version of

> a

> story, it hurts. Speaking about such a thing on a “commercial” TV show is

> bad. (I am sure you have taken a big amount, only doctor are supposed to do

> charity and social work, not actors!!! Right!) I want to highlight few

> important points here. And yes I am qualified to make observations as I am

> a

> medical student.

> 1. Your guests and audience (the words were almost put in their mouth) said

> that private colleges charge a capitation fee of 40 – 50 Lacs for MBBS, you

> should have also produced some evidence of such practice. Like you call a

> victim in all your episodes, why not here? And do the same story

> Engineering, Architecture, Law and MBA colleges, do you think they are

> clean? Why target doctors alone?

> 2. You said Since 2001, government opened 31 medical colleges and 106

> private institutes were opened. – Please note that today in India, there

> are

> a total of 181 Private and 152 Govt Medical colleges. So the number is not

> as bad s you projected. Don’t project only the time period which suits your

> story. Either give a complete picture or do not give a picture at all!

> And also, please find out how many of these private colleges are owned by

> politicians? 95% of Private colleges in India are owned and run by

> politicians. It is a bloody nexus between politicians and MCI. The

> corruption by politicians is to blamed for the mess, not doctors!!!

> 3. One of your guest (Dr. Gulhati) said that doctors ask for 30% commission

> from Pharma companies to write their drugs. That is baseless, over-the-roof

> and sensationalizing the matter. That is as true as “Most Leading actors

> ask

> newcomers to sleep with them” or “Lawyers take money from both the sides in

> a legal battle” or “Most chartered accountants teach their clients how to

> save tax and also pass info to taxman on where his client saved tax”. I

> know

> all of you will shout “Where is the proof?”. So are doctors!!!

> I am not trying to sensationalize things as you did on your show by shading

> those fake tears, but just trying to project that allegations are easy to

> make. I know you will say that this was the opinion of our guest, and not

> yours. But you provided a platform for these fake allegations.

> 4. You compared the numbers of Licenses cancelled in England and in India.

> I

> must say your team is quite resourceful and please collect and compare

> following details also – a.Number of doctors beaten on duty by goons from

> various political outfits in government hospitals in UK and India in last

> 10

> years, and also the number of people convicted for such crime.

> b.The Stipend (Salary a post-graduate trainee doctor/intern gets) or Salary

> and accommodation facilities provided to the doctors of the two countries.

> c.The duty hours and working conditions of the doctors of the two

> countries.

> d.The academic and research infrastructure being provided to the medical

> students.

> 5. You said that the most brilliant students who take up medicine, should

> take it only for service to mankind, they should go to other fields if they

> want to earn. Why? Are we living in imperialism? Are doctors not allowed to

> earn and spend a good life? You were asking Dr. Devi Shetty whether he can

> do humanitarian work and Earn at same time? This is like asking Amirkhan or

> Shahrukh-khan their income and generalizing it for every actor in the

> industry (Even junior artists). Sir, just as there are only few Khans and

> Kapoors, There are even fewer Devi Shetty and Naresh Trehan who run their

> chain of Multi-specialty hospitals spread all over the country. See what it

> takes to become a doctor and then give such “Geeta-Gyan”.

> a. 5 and half year of MBBS training and 1 more year of Compulsory Rural

> Internship at Rs. 15000 - 20000 per month. (Any other field eg.

> Engineering, Management, a person would become Postgraduate in this much

> time and start earning double the amount.) If one doesn’t study further,

> the

> pay at this step is 22,000 per month.

> b. After above 6 and half years of Graduation, 3 more years of

> Postgraduation, followed again by compulsory rural / Government job for 1

> year or pay Rs. 25Lac bond.

> If one doesn’t study further, the pay at this step is 40,000 per month.

> c. After this above 10 and half years, 3 more years of Superspeciality,

> followed by 1 year of Govt job or a Bond of Rs. 2 Crore.

> And the seats are so few with tough competition, there tends to be a gap of

> a year or two in preparing for various entrance exams.

> 6. Why only Doctors are being forced to work in rural and government

> hospitals after their study? Why only we should pay government if we don’t

> want to do it?

> The rural/Govt sector needs help of Engineers, Lawyers, Chartered

> Accountants and MBAs also.

> Why aren’t the Engineers sent to rural areas to design and monitor roads

> and

> industrials development?

> Why aren’t the Lawyers forced to work as Public prosecutors before they can

> join some big foreign corporate firm?

> Why aren’t the CAs asked to work in CAG office and various other government

> financial sectors before joining Multinational Giants?

> Now government wants that doctors should not immigrate to other countries

> without asking them. Why? Are the IIT/IIM students stopped before they flee

> to foreign countries for big fat salaries? So, why us? What is it that

> government of society has done for doctors that they should repay? They

> bloody can’t even protect them from goons while on duty.

> 7. You say that doctors are writing unnecessary and costly medications. Do

> we decide the price of a drug? Do we manufacture or give license to drug

> manufacturers? Controlling the price of essential drugs is a government

> job.

> We are helpless.

> Sir, its easy to point fingers. We don’t say that all is well. But all is

> not well anywhere. Its a different thing creating awareness about dowry or

> female feticide. But its entirely different to comment on such a technical

> and complicated issue without getting into the details of it.

> You have maligned the entire medical fraternity. For every 10 doctors who

> are doing wrong, there are more than 1000 healers. You owe us an apology!!!

> This issue is not as simple as you think it is! Please show stories which

> are unbiased and straight-forward. You cannot do justice to such an issue,

> especially after charging a whooping amount for creating awareness!!!

> (We hear that Amir has charged 3 crores for episode of satyamevjayate in

> which he spreads the message to doctors that they should not make money and

> do social service!!! How sacred!!! I don’t know if its true, but well, it’s

> the season of allegations!) “We Doctors may be doing little social service,

> But at least we are not charging for it!”.........copied from

> https://www.facebook.com/ anchal.agarwal.146?sk=wall

>

>

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Hi all

 

I would like to know from all of you:

 

1. Is Aamir Khan saying what he means or just saying what 'SELLS' in the news

channels?

2. How can we be so emotional about him just because he looks good & says things

with a garb of sincerity? Why doesnt he do an episode of things happening in his

own     industry?    What about his own personal life where he left his

kids and wife for a younger woman! This guy has had 3 alleged affairs & now he

is teaching the world how to     live....great!

My Best Regds

 

Rakesh Khera

Sr Consultant

Dept Of Urology,Robotics & Renal transplant

Medanta Medicity

Gurgaon

Cell- 9810549377

>To: mgims

>Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 1:28 PM

>Subject: RE: open letter to Aamir Khan of Satyamev Jayte

>

>

> 

>The last episode of Satyameva Jayate- has ruffled a few feathers. As a

>member of the profession I too was upset and felt maligned.

>I agree that there are a few bad doctors who hog press coverage and the many

>more that do a lot of good are left unappreciated. However there are a few

>home truths we need to accept however bitter they may be.

>

>The relationship between doctors and patients is an unequal one. The patient

>is vulnerable. Especially in our set up they look up to the doctor to take

>decisions.

>I am not against the need for doctors to earn well and lead a comfy life but

>should it be done at the cost of others?

>Treat and take money but do not do unnecessary treatments to make a profit

>or take money for treatment not done. Surely that cannot be condoned.

>We all know of patients who used to come to us in MGIMS with a history of

>colectomy done in Andhra Pradesh but when a laparotomy was performed-

>nothing had been done- just the skin scar. How ethical is that?

>I am a surgeon myself and am aware that complications are part of the game

>but-

>How can you rationalise doing a pancreatic transplant when not required or

>consented for?

>I know of my own mama who was operated on - a bypass without proper pre-op

>checks. Inevitable died post op- but to add salt to the wounds was 'kept

>alive' on life support in the ITU to prolong 'life' or was it the 'bill'?

>I know of a surgeon who added an abdominoplasty to my old maasi's

>hysterectomy offer. She is 65+ and not really going to swan around in a

>bikini next summer. The only reason we could elucidate this was because she

>did not know what the abdominoplasty involved and wanted me to talk to her

>surgeon. I did that as I was unsure whether he meant a real abdominoplasty

>as a cosmetic op or he was calling routine closure of abdomen by a posh

>name. He actually had meant the cosmetic op so I explained that she was not

>keen on a 'nip and tuck'. How can rationalise this practice?

>Re the bit about hysterectomies- I know most of the women on my in law's

>side in Kadapa are sans uterus. The sad thing is they have undergone BSO at

>the age of 35+ with its associated risks of an early menopause.

>Every fibroid is sold as a 'tumor'- or 'gedda' as in Telugu with 'immense

>malignant potential' though all evidence would confirm that sarcomatous

>change in fibroids is ~0.5%. No one has discussed the pros and cons of

>surgery. How correct can that be.

>No profession is without its black sheep but when malpractice is considered

>acceptable and is condoned by professional bodies all other arguments fade.

>'Cuts' are rampant. I am told in smaller towns auto rickshaw wallas are also

>involved in the 'cut' to lure folk off trains/buses to a doctor.

>

>I am proud of my profession. I am the first to say that the number of

>doctors doing good in India outnumber those that don't. Rather than get

>defensive we need to try and address the problem before we lose credibility.

>There is no condoning malpractice both medical and ethical.

>We who consider ourselves to be professionals should also be held

>accountable for our actions.

>I do not think we can equate the medical profession to acting. You cannot

>compare apples to oranges.

>

>Malini

>

> open letter to Aamir Khan of Satyamev Jayte

>

>Deepchand Khandelwal <https://www.facebook.com/drdeepchand>

>ý " Message to AMIRKHAN - READ AND SHARE ALL MEDICOS N DOCTORS.

>Dear Mr. Amir Khah,

>“NOT ALL DOCTORS ARE GREEDYâ€

>“THERE IS NO PROFESSION THAT IS ABSOLUTELY CLEANâ€

>“DOCTORS ARE OBLIGED TO SERVE BY CHOICE, NOT BY COMPULSIONâ€

>Sir,

>I have been a big fan or your work, life and principles. I am also a fan of

>‘Satyamev Jayate’. But I was shocked to see the episode on 27th May, 2012.

>You are an Icon. You should have thought well and done the homework before

>doing such a biased show. There are only two people in the film industry

>that are being taken seriously by the thinking class of society, You and

>Amitabh Bacchhan. So, when you give such a biased and one sided version of a

>story, it hurts. Speaking about such a thing on a “commercial†TV show is

>bad. (I am sure you have taken a big amount, only doctor are supposed to do

>charity and social work, not actors!!! Right!) I want to highlight few

>important points here. And yes I am qualified to make observations as I am a

>medical student.

>1. Your guests and audience (the words were almost put in their mouth) said

>that private colleges charge a capitation fee of 40 – 50 Lacs for MBBS, you

>should have also produced some evidence of such practice. Like you call a

>victim in all your episodes, why not here? And do the same story

>Engineering, Architecture, Law and MBA colleges, do you think they are

>clean? Why target doctors alone?

>2. You said Since 2001, government opened 31 medical colleges and 106

>private institutes were opened. – Please note that today in India, there are

>a total of 181 Private and 152 Govt Medical colleges. So the number is not

>as bad s you projected. Don’t project only the time period which suits your

>story. Either give a complete picture or do not give a picture at all!

>And also, please find out how many of these private colleges are owned by

>politicians? 95% of Private colleges in India are owned and run by

>politicians. It is a bloody nexus between politicians and MCI. The

>corruption by politicians is to blamed for the mess, not doctors!!!

>3. One of your guest (Dr. Gulhati) said that doctors ask for 30% commission

>from Pharma companies to write their drugs. That is baseless, over-the-roof

>and sensationalizing the matter. That is as true as “Most Leading actors ask

>newcomers to sleep with them†or “Lawyers take money from both the sides in

>a legal battle†or “Most chartered accountants teach their clients how to

>save tax and also pass info to taxman on where his client saved taxâ€. I know

>all of you will shout “Where is the proof?â€. So are doctors!!!

>I am not trying to sensationalize things as you did on your show by shading

>those fake tears, but just trying to project that allegations are easy to

>make. I know you will say that this was the opinion of our guest, and not

>yours. But you provided a platform for these fake allegations.

>4. You compared the numbers of Licenses cancelled in England and in India. I

>must say your team is quite resourceful and please collect and compare

>following details also – a.Number of doctors beaten on duty by goons from

>various political outfits in government hospitals in UK and India in last 10

>years, and also the number of people convicted for such crime.

>b.The Stipend (Salary a post-graduate trainee doctor/intern gets) or Salary

>and accommodation facilities provided to the doctors of the two countries.

>c.The duty hours and working conditions of the doctors of the two countries.

>d.The academic and research infrastructure being provided to the medical

>students.

>5. You said that the most brilliant students who take up medicine, should

>take it only for service to mankind, they should go to other fields if they

>want to earn. Why? Are we living in imperialism? Are doctors not allowed to

>earn and spend a good life? You were asking Dr. Devi Shetty whether he can

>do humanitarian work and Earn at same time? This is like asking Amirkhan or

>Shahrukh-khan their income and generalizing it for every actor in the

>industry (Even junior artists). Sir, just as there are only few Khans and

>Kapoors, There are even fewer Devi Shetty and Naresh Trehan who run their

>chain of Multi-specialty hospitals spread all over the country. See what it

>takes to become a doctor and then give such “Geeta-Gyanâ€.

>a. 5 and half year of MBBS training and 1 more year of Compulsory Rural

>Internship at Rs. 15000 - 20000 per month. (Any other field eg.

>Engineering, Management, a person would become Postgraduate in this much

>time and start earning double the amount.) If one doesn’t study further, the

>pay at this step is 22,000 per month.

>b. After above 6 and half years of Graduation, 3 more years of

>Postgraduation, followed again by compulsory rural / Government job for 1

>year or pay Rs. 25Lac bond.

>If one doesn’t study further, the pay at this step is 40,000 per month.

>c. After this above 10 and half years, 3 more years of Superspeciality,

>followed by 1 year of Govt job or a Bond of Rs. 2 Crore.

>And the seats are so few with tough competition, there tends to be a gap of

>a year or two in preparing for various entrance exams.

>6. Why only Doctors are being forced to work in rural and government

>hospitals after their study? Why only we should pay government if we don’t

>want to do it?

>The rural/Govt sector needs help of Engineers, Lawyers, Chartered

>Accountants and MBAs also.

>Why aren’t the Engineers sent to rural areas to design and monitor roads and

>industrials development?

>Why aren’t the Lawyers forced to work as Public prosecutors before they can

>join some big foreign corporate firm?

>Why aren’t the CAs asked to work in CAG office and various other government

>financial sectors before joining Multinational Giants?

>Now government wants that doctors should not immigrate to other countries

>without asking them. Why? Are the IIT/IIM students stopped before they flee

>to foreign countries for big fat salaries? So, why us? What is it that

>government of society has done for doctors that they should repay? They

>bloody can’t even protect them from goons while on duty.

>7. You say that doctors are writing unnecessary and costly medications. Do

>we decide the price of a drug? Do we manufacture or give license to drug

>manufacturers? Controlling the price of essential drugs is a government job.

>We are helpless.

>Sir, its easy to point fingers. We don’t say that all is well. But all is

>not well anywhere. Its a different thing creating awareness about dowry or

>female feticide. But its entirely different to comment on such a technical

>and complicated issue without getting into the details of it.

>You have maligned the entire medical fraternity. For every 10 doctors who

>are doing wrong, there are more than 1000 healers. You owe us an apology!!!

>This issue is not as simple as you think it is! Please show stories which

>are unbiased and straight-forward. You cannot do justice to such an issue,

>especially after charging a whooping amount for creating awareness!!!

>(We hear that Amir has charged 3 crores for episode of satyamevjayate in

>which he spreads the message to doctors that they should not make money and

>do social service!!! How sacred!!! I don’t know if its true, but well, it’s

>the season of allegations!) “We Doctors may be doing little social service,

>But at least we are not charging for it!â€.........copied from

>https://www.facebook.com/ anchal.agarwal.146?sk=wall

>

>

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True that Malini.

It doesn't seem that unscrupulous doctors is such a minority.

Just look at how many cases you have sited.

Shocking state of affairs.

And you are right...our profession should not be corruptible.....and the bad

apples should receive the harshest punishment and those cases should receive

maximum publicity so that other doctors who are preying on unsuspecting and

gullible patients will either get arrested or stop the malpractice.

And yes we should not compare our profession with any other as ours is the

noblest of all and we should all strive to maintain the highest standard.

Ashok 1984

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> The last episode of Satyameva Jayate- has ruffled a few feathers. As a

> member of the profession I too was upset and felt maligned.

> I agree that there are a few bad doctors who hog press coverage and the many

> more that do a lot of good are left unappreciated. However there are a few

> home truths we need to accept however bitter they may be.

>

> The relationship between doctors and patients is an unequal one. The patient

> is vulnerable. Especially in our set up they look up to the doctor to take

> decisions.

> I am not against the need for doctors to earn well and lead a comfy life but

> should it be done at the cost of others?

> Treat and take money but do not do unnecessary treatments to make a profit

> or take money for treatment not done. Surely that cannot be condoned.

> We all know of patients who used to come to us in MGIMS with a history of

> colectomy done in Andhra Pradesh but when a laparotomy was performed-

> nothing had been done- just the skin scar. How ethical is that?

> I am a surgeon myself and am aware that complications are part of the game

> but-

> How can you rationalise doing a pancreatic transplant when not required or

> consented for?

> I know of my own mama who was operated on - a bypass without proper pre-op

> checks. Inevitable died post op- but to add salt to the wounds was 'kept

> alive' on life support in the ITU to prolong 'life' or was it the 'bill'?

> I know of a surgeon who added an abdominoplasty to my old maasi's

> hysterectomy offer. She is 65+ and not really going to swan around in a

> bikini next summer. The only reason we could elucidate this was because she

> did not know what the abdominoplasty involved and wanted me to talk to her

> surgeon. I did that as I was unsure whether he meant a real abdominoplasty

> as a cosmetic op or he was calling routine closure of abdomen by a posh

> name. He actually had meant the cosmetic op so I explained that she was not

> keen on a 'nip and tuck'. How can rationalise this practice?

> Re the bit about hysterectomies- I know most of the women on my in law's

> side in Kadapa are sans uterus. The sad thing is they have undergone BSO at

> the age of 35+ with its associated risks of an early menopause.

> Every fibroid is sold as a 'tumor'- or 'gedda' as in Telugu with 'immense

> malignant potential' though all evidence would confirm that sarcomatous

> change in fibroids is ~0.5%. No one has discussed the pros and cons of

> surgery. How correct can that be.

> No profession is without its black sheep but when malpractice is considered

> acceptable and is condoned by professional bodies all other arguments fade.

> 'Cuts' are rampant. I am told in smaller towns auto rickshaw wallas are also

> involved in the 'cut' to lure folk off trains/buses to a doctor.

>

> I am proud of my profession. I am the first to say that the number of

> doctors doing good in India outnumber those that don't. Rather than get

> defensive we need to try and address the problem before we lose credibility.

> There is no condoning malpractice both medical and ethical.

> We who consider ourselves to be professionals should also be held

> accountable for our actions.

> I do not think we can equate the medical profession to acting. You cannot

> compare apples to oranges.

>

> Malini

>

> open letter to Aamir Khan of Satyamev Jayte

>

> Deepchand Khandelwal <https://www.facebook.com/drdeepchand>

> ý " Message to AMIRKHAN - READ AND SHARE ALL MEDICOS N DOCTORS.

> Dear Mr. Amir Khah,

> “NOT ALL DOCTORS ARE GREEDYâ€

> “THERE IS NO PROFESSION THAT IS ABSOLUTELY CLEANâ€

> “DOCTORS ARE OBLIGED TO SERVE BY CHOICE, NOT BY COMPULSIONâ€

> Sir,

> I have been a big fan or your work, life and principles. I am also a fan of

> ‘Satyamev Jayate’. But I was shocked to see the episode on 27th May, 2012.

> You are an Icon. You should have thought well and done the homework before

> doing such a biased show. There are only two people in the film industry

> that are being taken seriously by the thinking class of society, You and

> Amitabh Bacchhan. So, when you give such a biased and one sided version of a

> story, it hurts. Speaking about such a thing on a “commercial†TV show is

> bad. (I am sure you have taken a big amount, only doctor are supposed to do

> charity and social work, not actors!!! Right!) I want to highlight few

> important points here. And yes I am qualified to make observations as I am a

> medical student.

> 1. Your guests and audience (the words were almost put in their mouth) said

> that private colleges charge a capitation fee of 40 – 50 Lacs for MBBS, you

> should have also produced some evidence of such practice. Like you call a

> victim in all your episodes, why not here? And do the same story

> Engineering, Architecture, Law and MBA colleges, do you think they are

> clean? Why target doctors alone?

> 2. You said Since 2001, government opened 31 medical colleges and 106

> private institutes were opened. – Please note that today in India, there are

> a total of 181 Private and 152 Govt Medical colleges. So the number is not

> as bad s you projected. Don’t project only the time period which suits your

> story. Either give a complete picture or do not give a picture at all!

> And also, please find out how many of these private colleges are owned by

> politicians? 95% of Private colleges in India are owned and run by

> politicians. It is a bloody nexus between politicians and MCI. The

> corruption by politicians is to blamed for the mess, not doctors!!!

> 3. One of your guest (Dr. Gulhati) said that doctors ask for 30% commission

> from Pharma companies to write their drugs. That is baseless, over-the-roof

> and sensationalizing the matter. That is as true as “Most Leading actors ask

> newcomers to sleep with them†or “Lawyers take money from both the sides

in

> a legal battle†or “Most chartered accountants teach their clients how to

> save tax and also pass info to taxman on where his client saved taxâ€. I know

> all of you will shout “Where is the proof?â€. So are doctors!!!

> I am not trying to sensationalize things as you did on your show by shading

> those fake tears, but just trying to project that allegations are easy to

> make. I know you will say that this was the opinion of our guest, and not

> yours. But you provided a platform for these fake allegations.

> 4. You compared the numbers of Licenses cancelled in England and in India. I

> must say your team is quite resourceful and please collect and compare

> following details also – a.Number of doctors beaten on duty by goons from

> various political outfits in government hospitals in UK and India in last 10

> years, and also the number of people convicted for such crime.

> b.The Stipend (Salary a post-graduate trainee doctor/intern gets) or Salary

> and accommodation facilities provided to the doctors of the two countries.

> c.The duty hours and working conditions of the doctors of the two countries.

> d.The academic and research infrastructure being provided to the medical

> students.

> 5. You said that the most brilliant students who take up medicine, should

> take it only for service to mankind, they should go to other fields if they

> want to earn. Why? Are we living in imperialism? Are doctors not allowed to

> earn and spend a good life? You were asking Dr. Devi Shetty whether he can

> do humanitarian work and Earn at same time? This is like asking Amirkhan or

> Shahrukh-khan their income and generalizing it for every actor in the

> industry (Even junior artists). Sir, just as there are only few Khans and

> Kapoors, There are even fewer Devi Shetty and Naresh Trehan who run their

> chain of Multi-specialty hospitals spread all over the country. See what it

> takes to become a doctor and then give such “Geeta-Gyanâ€.

> a. 5 and half year of MBBS training and 1 more year of Compulsory Rural

> Internship at Rs. 15000 - 20000 per month. (Any other field eg.

> Engineering, Management, a person would become Postgraduate in this much

> time and start earning double the amount.) If one doesn’t study further, the

> pay at this step is 22,000 per month.

> b. After above 6 and half years of Graduation, 3 more years of

> Postgraduation, followed again by compulsory rural / Government job for 1

> year or pay Rs. 25Lac bond.

> If one doesn’t study further, the pay at this step is 40,000 per month.

> c. After this above 10 and half years, 3 more years of Superspeciality,

> followed by 1 year of Govt job or a Bond of Rs. 2 Crore.

> And the seats are so few with tough competition, there tends to be a gap of

> a year or two in preparing for various entrance exams.

> 6. Why only Doctors are being forced to work in rural and government

> hospitals after their study? Why only we should pay government if we don’t

> want to do it?

> The rural/Govt sector needs help of Engineers, Lawyers, Chartered

> Accountants and MBAs also.

> Why aren’t the Engineers sent to rural areas to design and monitor roads and

> industrials development?

> Why aren’t the Lawyers forced to work as Public prosecutors before they can

> join some big foreign corporate firm?

> Why aren’t the CAs asked to work in CAG office and various other government

> financial sectors before joining Multinational Giants?

> Now government wants that doctors should not immigrate to other countries

> without asking them. Why? Are the IIT/IIM students stopped before they flee

> to foreign countries for big fat salaries? So, why us? What is it that

> government of society has done for doctors that they should repay? They

> bloody can’t even protect them from goons while on duty.

> 7. You say that doctors are writing unnecessary and costly medications. Do

> we decide the price of a drug? Do we manufacture or give license to drug

> manufacturers? Controlling the price of essential drugs is a government job.

> We are helpless.

> Sir, its easy to point fingers. We don’t say that all is well. But all is

> not well anywhere. Its a different thing creating awareness about dowry or

> female feticide. But its entirely different to comment on such a technical

> and complicated issue without getting into the details of it.

> You have maligned the entire medical fraternity. For every 10 doctors who

> are doing wrong, there are more than 1000 healers. You owe us an apology!!!

> This issue is not as simple as you think it is! Please show stories which

> are unbiased and straight-forward. You cannot do justice to such an issue,

> especially after charging a whooping amount for creating awareness!!!

> (We hear that Amir has charged 3 crores for episode of satyamevjayate in

> which he spreads the message to doctors that they should not make money and

> do social service!!! How sacred!!! I don’t know if its true, but well,

it’s

> the season of allegations!) “We Doctors may be doing little social service,

> But at least we are not charging for it!â€.........copied from

> https://www.facebook.com/ anchal.agarwal.146?sk=wall

>

>

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Dear Malini,

You are quite right. We need to introspect. However, the medium of

Television is so powerful that the lay person takes what he sees there as

the gospel truth. I wonder how we will undo the damage to our image? Many of

my patients have discussed this episode with me. Shouldn't Aamir have

bothered to make it a balanced show by showing at least some contrary views?

In fact he clearly stated that he will never take treatment from Indian

Doctors henceforth. I would like to remind him that when he faces an

emergency next.

Kishore Shah 1974

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Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 1:28 PM

To: <mgims >

Subject: RE: open letter to Aamir Khan of Satyamev Jayte

> The last episode of Satyameva Jayate- has ruffled a few feathers. As a

> member of the profession I too was upset and felt maligned.

> I agree that there are a few bad doctors who hog press coverage and the

> many

> more that do a lot of good are left unappreciated. However there are a few

> home truths we need to accept however bitter they may be.

>

> The relationship between doctors and patients is an unequal one. The

> patient

> is vulnerable. Especially in our set up they look up to the doctor to take

> decisions.

> I am not against the need for doctors to earn well and lead a comfy life

> but

> should it be done at the cost of others?

> Treat and take money but do not do unnecessary treatments to make a profit

> or take money for treatment not done. Surely that cannot be condoned.

> We all know of patients who used to come to us in MGIMS with a history of

> colectomy done in Andhra Pradesh but when a laparotomy was performed-

> nothing had been done- just the skin scar. How ethical is that?

> I am a surgeon myself and am aware that complications are part of the game

> but-

> How can you rationalise doing a pancreatic transplant when not required or

> consented for?

> I know of my own mama who was operated on - a bypass without proper pre-op

> checks. Inevitable died post op- but to add salt to the wounds was 'kept

> alive' on life support in the ITU to prolong 'life' or was it the 'bill'?

> I know of a surgeon who added an abdominoplasty to my old maasi's

> hysterectomy offer. She is 65+ and not really going to swan around in a

> bikini next summer. The only reason we could elucidate this was because

> she

> did not know what the abdominoplasty involved and wanted me to talk to her

> surgeon. I did that as I was unsure whether he meant a real abdominoplasty

> as a cosmetic op or he was calling routine closure of abdomen by a posh

> name. He actually had meant the cosmetic op so I explained that she was

> not

> keen on a 'nip and tuck'. How can rationalise this practice?

> Re the bit about hysterectomies- I know most of the women on my in law's

> side in Kadapa are sans uterus. The sad thing is they have undergone BSO

> at

> the age of 35+ with its associated risks of an early menopause.

> Every fibroid is sold as a 'tumor'- or 'gedda' as in Telugu with 'immense

> malignant potential' though all evidence would confirm that sarcomatous

> change in fibroids is ~0.5%. No one has discussed the pros and cons of

> surgery. How correct can that be.

> No profession is without its black sheep but when malpractice is

> considered

> acceptable and is condoned by professional bodies all other arguments

> fade.

> 'Cuts' are rampant. I am told in smaller towns auto rickshaw wallas are

> also

> involved in the 'cut' to lure folk off trains/buses to a doctor.

>

> I am proud of my profession. I am the first to say that the number of

> doctors doing good in India outnumber those that don't. Rather than get

> defensive we need to try and address the problem before we lose

> credibility.

> There is no condoning malpractice both medical and ethical.

> We who consider ourselves to be professionals should also be held

> accountable for our actions.

> I do not think we can equate the medical profession to acting. You cannot

> compare apples to oranges.

>

> Malini

>

>

> open letter to Aamir Khan of Satyamev Jayte

>

>

>

>

>

> Deepchand Khandelwal <https://www.facebook.com/drdeepchand>

> ý " Message to AMIRKHAN - READ AND SHARE ALL MEDICOS N DOCTORS.

> Dear Mr. Amir Khah,

> " NOT ALL DOCTORS ARE GREEDY "

> " THERE IS NO PROFESSION THAT IS ABSOLUTELY CLEAN "

> " DOCTORS ARE OBLIGED TO SERVE BY CHOICE, NOT BY COMPULSION "

> Sir,

> I have been a big fan or your work, life and principles. I am also a fan

> of

> 'Satyamev Jayate'. But I was shocked to see the episode on 27th May, 2012.

> You are an Icon. You should have thought well and done the homework before

> doing such a biased show. There are only two people in the film industry

> that are being taken seriously by the thinking class of society, You and

> Amitabh Bacchhan. So, when you give such a biased and one sided version of

> a

> story, it hurts. Speaking about such a thing on a " commercial " TV show is

> bad. (I am sure you have taken a big amount, only doctor are supposed to

> do

> charity and social work, not actors!!! Right!) I want to highlight few

> important points here. And yes I am qualified to make observations as I am

> a

> medical student.

> 1. Your guests and audience (the words were almost put in their mouth)

> said

> that private colleges charge a capitation fee of 40 - 50 Lacs for MBBS,

> you

> should have also produced some evidence of such practice. Like you call a

> victim in all your episodes, why not here? And do the same story

> Engineering, Architecture, Law and MBA colleges, do you think they are

> clean? Why target doctors alone?

> 2. You said Since 2001, government opened 31 medical colleges and 106

> private institutes were opened. - Please note that today in India, there

> are

> a total of 181 Private and 152 Govt Medical colleges. So the number is not

> as bad s you projected. Don't project only the time period which suits

> your

> story. Either give a complete picture or do not give a picture at all!

> And also, please find out how many of these private colleges are owned by

> politicians? 95% of Private colleges in India are owned and run by

> politicians. It is a bloody nexus between politicians and MCI. The

> corruption by politicians is to blamed for the mess, not doctors!!!

> 3. One of your guest (Dr. Gulhati) said that doctors ask for 30%

> commission

> from Pharma companies to write their drugs. That is baseless,

> over-the-roof

> and sensationalizing the matter. That is as true as " Most Leading actors

> ask

> newcomers to sleep with them " or " Lawyers take money from both the sides

> in

> a legal battle " or " Most chartered accountants teach their clients how to

> save tax and also pass info to taxman on where his client saved tax " . I

> know

> all of you will shout " Where is the proof? " . So are doctors!!!

> I am not trying to sensationalize things as you did on your show by

> shading

> those fake tears, but just trying to project that allegations are easy to

> make. I know you will say that this was the opinion of our guest, and not

> yours. But you provided a platform for these fake allegations.

> 4. You compared the numbers of Licenses cancelled in England and in India.

> I

> must say your team is quite resourceful and please collect and compare

> following details also - a.Number of doctors beaten on duty by goons from

> various political outfits in government hospitals in UK and India in last

> 10

> years, and also the number of people convicted for such crime.

> b.The Stipend (Salary a post-graduate trainee doctor/intern gets) or

> Salary

> and accommodation facilities provided to the doctors of the two countries.

> c.The duty hours and working conditions of the doctors of the two

> countries.

> d.The academic and research infrastructure being provided to the medical

> students.

> 5. You said that the most brilliant students who take up medicine, should

> take it only for service to mankind, they should go to other fields if

> they

> want to earn. Why? Are we living in imperialism? Are doctors not allowed

> to

> earn and spend a good life? You were asking Dr. Devi Shetty whether he can

> do humanitarian work and Earn at same time? This is like asking Amirkhan

> or

> Shahrukh-khan their income and generalizing it for every actor in the

> industry (Even junior artists). Sir, just as there are only few Khans and

> Kapoors, There are even fewer Devi Shetty and Naresh Trehan who run their

> chain of Multi-specialty hospitals spread all over the country. See what

> it

> takes to become a doctor and then give such " Geeta-Gyan " .

> a. 5 and half year of MBBS training and 1 more year of Compulsory Rural

> Internship at Rs. 15000 - 20000 per month. (Any other field eg.

> Engineering, Management, a person would become Postgraduate in this much

> time and start earning double the amount.) If one doesn't study further,

> the

> pay at this step is 22,000 per month.

> b. After above 6 and half years of Graduation, 3 more years of

> Postgraduation, followed again by compulsory rural / Government job for 1

> year or pay Rs. 25Lac bond.

> If one doesn't study further, the pay at this step is 40,000 per month.

> c. After this above 10 and half years, 3 more years of Superspeciality,

> followed by 1 year of Govt job or a Bond of Rs. 2 Crore.

> And the seats are so few with tough competition, there tends to be a gap

> of

> a year or two in preparing for various entrance exams.

> 6. Why only Doctors are being forced to work in rural and government

> hospitals after their study? Why only we should pay government if we don't

> want to do it?

> The rural/Govt sector needs help of Engineers, Lawyers, Chartered

> Accountants and MBAs also.

> Why aren't the Engineers sent to rural areas to design and monitor roads

> and

> industrials development?

> Why aren't the Lawyers forced to work as Public prosecutors before they

> can

> join some big foreign corporate firm?

> Why aren't the CAs asked to work in CAG office and various other

> government

> financial sectors before joining Multinational Giants?

> Now government wants that doctors should not immigrate to other countries

> without asking them. Why? Are the IIT/IIM students stopped before they

> flee

> to foreign countries for big fat salaries? So, why us? What is it that

> government of society has done for doctors that they should repay? They

> bloody can't even protect them from goons while on duty.

> 7. You say that doctors are writing unnecessary and costly medications. Do

> we decide the price of a drug? Do we manufacture or give license to drug

> manufacturers? Controlling the price of essential drugs is a government

> job.

> We are helpless.

> Sir, its easy to point fingers. We don't say that all is well. But all is

> not well anywhere. Its a different thing creating awareness about dowry or

> female feticide. But its entirely different to comment on such a technical

> and complicated issue without getting into the details of it.

> You have maligned the entire medical fraternity. For every 10 doctors who

> are doing wrong, there are more than 1000 healers. You owe us an

> apology!!!

> This issue is not as simple as you think it is! Please show stories which

> are unbiased and straight-forward. You cannot do justice to such an issue,

> especially after charging a whooping amount for creating awareness!!!

> (We hear that Amir has charged 3 crores for episode of satyamevjayate in

> which he spreads the message to doctors that they should not make money

> and

> do social service!!! How sacred!!! I don't know if its true, but well, it's

> the season of allegations!) " We Doctors may be doing little social

> service,

> But at least we are not charging for it! " .........copied from

> https://www.facebook.com/ anchal.agarwal.146?sk=wall

>

>

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I was just following the exchange of views about our profession but without the

need to interject. Let us forget about other professions. Even Amir Khan or his

personal life is of not much consequence. The fact is that the profession, like

everything else in India, has lost some of its sanctity. Let us see who decides

to differ. Nobody grudges a person who earns (a lot) honestly. However, it is

hard to ignore the element of greed these days. Serious introspection is

certainly required. The problem is that honesty is a prerequisite for

introspection!

Bharat 

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To: " mgims " <mgims >

Sent: Wednesday, 30 May 2012 6:01 PM

Subject: Re: open letter to Aamir Khan of Satyamev Jayte

 

True that Malini.

It doesn't seem that unscrupulous doctors is such a minority.

Just look at how many cases you have sited.

Shocking state of affairs.

And you are right...our profession should not be corruptible.....and the bad

apples should receive the harshest punishment and those cases should receive

maximum publicity so that other doctors who are preying on unsuspecting and

gullible patients will either get arrested or stop the malpractice.

And yes we should not compare our profession with any other as ours is the

noblest of all and we should all strive to maintain the highest standard.

Ashok 1984

Sent from my iPad

> The last episode of Satyameva Jayate- has ruffled a few feathers. As a

> member of the profession I too was upset and felt maligned.

> I agree that there are a few bad doctors who hog press coverage and the many

> more that do a lot of good are left unappreciated. However there are a few

> home truths we need to accept however bitter they may be.

>

> The relationship between doctors and patients is an unequal one. The patient

> is vulnerable. Especially in our set up they look up to the doctor to take

> decisions.

> I am not against the need for doctors to earn well and lead a comfy life but

> should it be done at the cost of others?

> Treat and take money but do not do unnecessary treatments to make a profit

> or take money for treatment not done. Surely that cannot be condoned.

> We all know of patients who used to come to us in MGIMS with a history of

> colectomy done in Andhra Pradesh but when a laparotomy was performed-

> nothing had been done- just the skin scar. How ethical is that?

> I am a surgeon myself and am aware that complications are part of the game

> but-

> How can you rationalise doing a pancreatic transplant when not required or

> consented for?

> I know of my own mama who was operated on - a bypass without proper pre-op

> checks. Inevitable died post op- but to add salt to the wounds was 'kept

> alive' on life support in the ITU to prolong 'life' or was it the 'bill'?

> I know of a surgeon who added an abdominoplasty to my old maasi's

> hysterectomy offer. She is 65+ and not really going to swan around in a

> bikini next summer. The only reason we could elucidate this was because she

> did not know what the abdominoplasty involved and wanted me to talk to her

> surgeon. I did that as I was unsure whether he meant a real abdominoplasty

> as a cosmetic op or he was calling routine closure of abdomen by a posh

> name. He actually had meant the cosmetic op so I explained that she was not

> keen on a 'nip and tuck'. How can rationalise this practice?

> Re the bit about hysterectomies- I know most of the women on my in law's

> side in Kadapa are sans uterus. The sad thing is they have undergone BSO at

> the age of 35+ with its associated risks of an early menopause.

> Every fibroid is sold as a 'tumor'- or 'gedda' as in Telugu with 'immense

> malignant potential' though all evidence would confirm that sarcomatous

> change in fibroids is ~0.5%. No one has discussed the pros and cons of

> surgery. How correct can that be.

> No profession is without its black sheep but when malpractice is considered

> acceptable and is condoned by professional bodies all other arguments fade.

> 'Cuts' are rampant. I am told in smaller towns auto rickshaw wallas are also

> involved in the 'cut' to lure folk off trains/buses to a doctor.

>

> I am proud of my profession. I am the first to say that the number of

> doctors doing good in India outnumber those that don't. Rather than get

> defensive we need to try and address the problem before we lose credibility.

> There is no condoning malpractice both medical and ethical.

> We who consider ourselves to be professionals should also be held

> accountable for our actions.

> I do not think we can equate the medical profession to acting. You cannot

> compare apples to oranges.

>

> Malini

>

> open letter to Aamir Khan of Satyamev Jayte

>

> Deepchand Khandelwal <https://www.facebook.com/drdeepchand>

> ý " Message to AMIRKHAN - READ AND SHARE ALL MEDICOS N DOCTORS.

> Dear Mr. Amir Khah,

> “NOT ALL DOCTORS ARE GREEDYâ€

> “THERE IS NO PROFESSION THAT IS ABSOLUTELY CLEANâ€

> “DOCTORS ARE OBLIGED TO SERVE BY CHOICE, NOT BY COMPULSIONâ€

> Sir,

> I have been a big fan or your work, life and principles. I am also a fan of

> ‘Satyamev Jayate’. But I was shocked to see the episode on 27th May, 2012.

> You are an Icon. You should have thought well and done the homework before

> doing such a biased show. There are only two people in the film industry

> that are being taken seriously by the thinking class of society, You and

> Amitabh Bacchhan. So, when you give such a biased and one sided version of a

> story, it hurts. Speaking about such a thing on a “commercial†TV show is

> bad. (I am sure you have taken a big amount, only doctor are supposed to do

> charity and social work, not actors!!! Right!) I want to highlight few

> important points here. And yes I am qualified to make observations as I am a

> medical student.

> 1. Your guests and audience (the words were almost put in their mouth) said

> that private colleges charge a capitation fee of 40 – 50 Lacs for MBBS, you

> should have also produced some evidence of such practice. Like you call a

> victim in all your episodes, why not here? And do the same story

> Engineering, Architecture, Law and MBA colleges, do you think they are

> clean? Why target doctors alone?

> 2. You said Since 2001, government opened 31 medical colleges and 106

> private institutes were opened. – Please note that today in India, there are

> a total of 181 Private and 152 Govt Medical colleges. So the number is not

> as bad s you projected. Don’t project only the time period which suits your

> story. Either give a complete picture or do not give a picture at all!

> And also, please find out how many of these private colleges are owned by

> politicians? 95% of Private colleges in India are owned and run by

> politicians. It is a bloody nexus between politicians and MCI. The

> corruption by politicians is to blamed for the mess, not doctors!!!

> 3. One of your guest (Dr. Gulhati) said that doctors ask for 30% commission

> from Pharma companies to write their drugs. That is baseless, over-the-roof

> and sensationalizing the matter. That is as true as “Most Leading actors ask

> newcomers to sleep with them†or “Lawyers take money from both the sides

in

> a legal battle†or “Most chartered accountants teach their clients how to

> save tax and also pass info to taxman on where his client saved taxâ€. I know

> all of you will shout “Where is the proof?â€. So are doctors!!!

> I am not trying to sensationalize things as you did on your show by shading

> those fake tears, but just trying to project that allegations are easy to

> make. I know you will say that this was the opinion of our guest, and not

> yours. But you provided a platform for these fake allegations.

> 4. You compared the numbers of Licenses cancelled in England and in India. I

> must say your team is quite resourceful and please collect and compare

> following details also – a.Number of doctors beaten on duty by goons from

> various political outfits in government hospitals in UK and India in last 10

> years, and also the number of people convicted for such crime.

> b.The Stipend (Salary a post-graduate trainee doctor/intern gets) or Salary

> and accommodation facilities provided to the doctors of the two countries.

> c.The duty hours and working conditions of the doctors of the two countries.

> d.The academic and research infrastructure being provided to the medical

> students.

> 5. You said that the most brilliant students who take up medicine, should

> take it only for service to mankind, they should go to other fields if they

> want to earn. Why? Are we living in imperialism? Are doctors not allowed to

> earn and spend a good life? You were asking Dr. Devi Shetty whether he can

> do humanitarian work and Earn at same time? This is like asking Amirkhan or

> Shahrukh-khan their income and generalizing it for every actor in the

> industry (Even junior artists). Sir, just as there are only few Khans and

> Kapoors, There are even fewer Devi Shetty and Naresh Trehan who run their

> chain of Multi-specialty hospitals spread all over the country. See what it

> takes to become a doctor and then give such “Geeta-Gyanâ€.

> a. 5 and half year of MBBS training and 1 more year of Compulsory Rural

> Internship at Rs. 15000 - 20000 per month. (Any other field eg.

> Engineering, Management, a person would become Postgraduate in this much

> time and start earning double the amount.) If one doesn’t study further, the

> pay at this step is 22,000 per month.

> b. After above 6 and half years of Graduation, 3 more years of

> Postgraduation, followed again by compulsory rural / Government job for 1

> year or pay Rs. 25Lac bond.

> If one doesn’t study further, the pay at this step is 40,000 per month.

> c. After this above 10 and half years, 3 more years of Superspeciality,

> followed by 1 year of Govt job or a Bond of Rs. 2 Crore.

> And the seats are so few with tough competition, there tends to be a gap of

> a year or two in preparing for various entrance exams.

> 6. Why only Doctors are being forced to work in rural and government

> hospitals after their study? Why only we should pay government if we don’t

> want to do it?

> The rural/Govt sector needs help of Engineers, Lawyers, Chartered

> Accountants and MBAs also.

> Why aren’t the Engineers sent to rural areas to design and monitor roads and

> industrials development?

> Why aren’t the Lawyers forced to work as Public prosecutors before they can

> join some big foreign corporate firm?

> Why aren’t the CAs asked to work in CAG office and various other government

> financial sectors before joining Multinational Giants?

> Now government wants that doctors should not immigrate to other countries

> without asking them. Why? Are the IIT/IIM students stopped before they flee

> to foreign countries for big fat salaries? So, why us? What is it that

> government of society has done for doctors that they should repay? They

> bloody can’t even protect them from goons while on duty.

> 7. You say that doctors are writing unnecessary and costly medications. Do

> we decide the price of a drug? Do we manufacture or give license to drug

> manufacturers? Controlling the price of essential drugs is a government job.

> We are helpless.

> Sir, its easy to point fingers. We don’t say that all is well. But all is

> not well anywhere. Its a different thing creating awareness about dowry or

> female feticide. But its entirely different to comment on such a technical

> and complicated issue without getting into the details of it.

> You have maligned the entire medical fraternity. For every 10 doctors who

> are doing wrong, there are more than 1000 healers. You owe us an apology!!!

> This issue is not as simple as you think it is! Please show stories which

> are unbiased and straight-forward. You cannot do justice to such an issue,

> especially after charging a whooping amount for creating awareness!!!

> (We hear that Amir has charged 3 crores for episode of satyamevjayate in

> which he spreads the message to doctors that they should not make money and

> do social service!!! How sacred!!! I don’t know if its true, but well,

it’s

> the season of allegations!) “We Doctors may be doing little social service,

> But at least we are not charging for it!â€.........copied from

> https://www.facebook.com/ anchal.agarwal.146?sk=wall

>

>

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Absolutely, agreed on all counts, but let us not start by claiming that all

doctors are thieves or all doctors are good. this all or none phenomenon that

confused me in my physiology classes, still continues.

 

Ashok Sinha

>________________________________

>

>To: " mgims " <mgims >

>Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 7:53 PM

>Subject: Re: open letter to Aamir Khan of Satyamev Jayte

>

>

> 

>I was just following the exchange of views about our profession but without the

need to interject. Let us forget about other professions. Even Amir Khan or his

personal life is of not much consequence. The fact is that the profession, like

everything else in India, has lost some of its sanctity. Let us see who decides

to differ. Nobody grudges a person who earns (a lot) honestly. However, it is

hard to ignore the element of greed these days. Serious introspection is

certainly required. The problem is that honesty is a prerequisite for

introspection!

>

>Bharat 

>

>________________________________

>

>To: " mgims " <mgims >

>Sent: Wednesday, 30 May 2012 6:01 PM

>Subject: Re: open letter to Aamir Khan of Satyamev Jayte

>

>

> 

>True that Malini.

>

>It doesn't seem that unscrupulous doctors is such a minority.

>

>Just look at how many cases you have sited.

>

>Shocking state of affairs.

>

>And you are right...our profession should not be corruptible.....and the bad

apples should receive the harshest punishment and those cases should receive

maximum publicity so that other doctors who are preying on unsuspecting and

gullible patients will either get arrested or stop the malpractice.

>

>And yes we should not compare our profession with any other as ours is the

noblest of all and we should all strive to maintain the highest standard.

>

>Ashok 1984

>

>Sent from my iPad

>

>

>

>> The last episode of Satyameva Jayate- has ruffled a few feathers. As a

>> member of the profession I too was upset and felt maligned.

>> I agree that there are a few bad doctors who hog press coverage and the many

>> more that do a lot of good are left unappreciated. However there are a few

>> home truths we need to accept however bitter they may be.

>>

>> The relationship between doctors and patients is an unequal one. The patient

>> is vulnerable. Especially in our set up they look up to the doctor to take

>> decisions.

>> I am not against the need for doctors to earn well and lead a comfy life but

>> should it be done at the cost of others?

>> Treat and take money but do not do unnecessary treatments to make a profit

>> or take money for treatment not done. Surely that cannot be condoned.

>> We all know of patients who used to come to us in MGIMS with a history of

>> colectomy done in Andhra Pradesh but when a laparotomy was performed-

>> nothing had been done- just the skin scar. How ethical is that?

>> I am a surgeon myself and am aware that complications are part of the game

>> but-

>> How can you rationalise doing a pancreatic transplant when not required or

>> consented for?

>> I know of my own mama who was operated on - a bypass without proper pre-op

>> checks. Inevitable died post op- but to add salt to the wounds was 'kept

>> alive' on life support in the ITU to prolong 'life' or was it the 'bill'?

>> I know of a surgeon who added an abdominoplasty to my old maasi's

>> hysterectomy offer. She is 65+ and not really going to swan around in a

>> bikini next summer. The only reason we could elucidate this was because she

>> did not know what the abdominoplasty involved and wanted me to talk to her

>> surgeon. I did that as I was unsure whether he meant a real abdominoplasty

>> as a cosmetic op or he was calling routine closure of abdomen by a posh

>> name. He actually had meant the cosmetic op so I explained that she was not

>> keen on a 'nip and tuck'. How can rationalise this practice?

>> Re the bit about hysterectomies- I know most of the women on my in law's

>> side in Kadapa are sans uterus. The sad thing is they have undergone BSO at

>> the age of 35+ with its associated risks of an early menopause.

>> Every fibroid is sold as a 'tumor'- or 'gedda' as in Telugu with 'immense

>> malignant potential' though all evidence would confirm that sarcomatous

>> change in fibroids is ~0.5%. No one has discussed the pros and cons of

>> surgery. How correct can that be.

>> No profession is without its black sheep but when malpractice is considered

>> acceptable and is condoned by professional bodies all other arguments fade.

>> 'Cuts' are rampant. I am told in smaller towns auto rickshaw wallas are also

>> involved in the 'cut' to lure folk off trains/buses to a doctor.

>>

>> I am proud of my profession. I am the first to say that the number of

>> doctors doing good in India outnumber those that don't. Rather than get

>> defensive we need to try and address the problem before we lose credibility.

>> There is no condoning malpractice both medical and ethical.

>> We who consider ourselves to be professionals should also be held

>> accountable for our actions.

>> I do not think we can equate the medical profession to acting. You cannot

>> compare apples to oranges.

>>

>> Malini

>>

>> open letter to Aamir Khan of Satyamev Jayte

>>

>> Deepchand Khandelwal <https://www.facebook.com/drdeepchand>

>> ý " Message to AMIRKHAN - READ AND SHARE ALL MEDICOS N DOCTORS.

>> Dear Mr. Amir Khah,

>> “NOT ALL DOCTORS ARE GREEDYâ€

>> “THERE IS NO PROFESSION THAT IS ABSOLUTELY CLEANâ€

>> “DOCTORS ARE OBLIGED TO SERVE BY CHOICE, NOT BY COMPULSIONâ€

>> Sir,

>> I have been a big fan or your work, life and principles. I am also a fan of

>> ‘Satyamev Jayate’. But I was shocked to see the episode on 27th May,

2012.

>> You are an Icon. You should have thought well and done the homework before

>> doing such a biased show. There are only two people in the film industry

>> that are being taken seriously by the thinking class of society, You and

>> Amitabh Bacchhan. So, when you give such a biased and one sided version of a

>> story, it hurts. Speaking about such a thing on a “commercial†TV show is

>> bad. (I am sure you have taken a big amount, only doctor are supposed to do

>> charity and social work, not actors!!! Right!) I want to highlight few

>> important points here. And yes I am qualified to make observations as I am a

>> medical student.

>> 1. Your guests and audience (the words were almost put in their mouth) said

>> that private colleges charge a capitation fee of 40 – 50 Lacs for MBBS, you

>> should have also produced some evidence of such practice. Like you call a

>> victim in all your episodes, why not here? And do the same story

>> Engineering, Architecture, Law and MBA colleges, do you think they are

>> clean? Why target doctors alone?

>> 2. You said Since 2001, government opened 31 medical colleges and 106

>> private institutes were opened. – Please note that today in India, there

are

>> a total of 181 Private and 152 Govt Medical colleges. So the number is not

>> as bad s you projected. Don’t project only the time period which suits your

>> story. Either give a complete picture or do not give a picture at all!

>> And also, please find out how many of these private colleges are owned by

>> politicians? 95% of Private colleges in India are owned and run by

>> politicians. It is a bloody nexus between politicians and MCI. The

>> corruption by politicians is to blamed for the mess, not doctors!!!

>> 3. One of your guest (Dr. Gulhati) said that doctors ask for 30% commission

>> from Pharma companies to write their drugs. That is baseless, over-the-roof

>> and sensationalizing the matter. That is as true as “Most Leading actors

ask

>> newcomers to sleep with them†or “Lawyers take money from both the sides

in

>> a legal battle†or “Most chartered accountants teach their clients how to

>> save tax and also pass info to taxman on where his client saved taxâ€. I

know

>> all of you will shout “Where is the proof?â€. So are doctors!!!

>> I am not trying to sensationalize things as you did on your show by shading

>> those fake tears, but just trying to project that allegations are easy to

>> make. I know you will say that this was the opinion of our guest, and not

>> yours. But you provided a platform for these fake allegations.

>> 4. You compared the numbers of Licenses cancelled in England and in India. I

>> must say your team is quite resourceful and please collect and compare

>> following details also – a.Number of doctors beaten on duty by goons from

>> various political outfits in government hospitals in UK and India in last 10

>> years, and also the number of people convicted for such crime.

>> b.The Stipend (Salary a post-graduate trainee doctor/intern gets) or Salary

>> and accommodation facilities provided to the doctors of the two countries.

>> c.The duty hours and working conditions of the doctors of the two countries.

>> d.The academic and research infrastructure being provided to the medical

>> students.

>> 5. You said that the most brilliant students who take up medicine, should

>> take it only for service to mankind, they should go to other fields if they

>> want to earn. Why? Are we living in imperialism? Are doctors not allowed to

>> earn and spend a good life? You were asking Dr. Devi Shetty whether he can

>> do humanitarian work and Earn at same time? This is like asking Amirkhan or

>> Shahrukh-khan their income and generalizing it for every actor in the

>> industry (Even junior artists). Sir, just as there are only few Khans and

>> Kapoors, There are even fewer Devi Shetty and Naresh Trehan who run their

>> chain of Multi-specialty hospitals spread all over the country. See what it

>> takes to become a doctor and then give such “Geeta-Gyanâ€.

>> a. 5 and half year of MBBS training and 1 more year of Compulsory Rural

>> Internship at Rs. 15000 - 20000 per month. (Any other field eg.

>> Engineering, Management, a person would become Postgraduate in this much

>> time and start earning double the amount.) If one doesn’t study further,

the

>> pay at this step is 22,000 per month.

>> b. After above 6 and half years of Graduation, 3 more years of

>> Postgraduation, followed again by compulsory rural / Government job for 1

>> year or pay Rs. 25Lac bond.

>> If one doesn’t study further, the pay at this step is 40,000 per month.

>> c. After this above 10 and half years, 3 more years of Superspeciality,

>> followed by 1 year of Govt job or a Bond of Rs. 2 Crore.

>> And the seats are so few with tough competition, there tends to be a gap of

>> a year or two in preparing for various entrance exams.

>> 6. Why only Doctors are being forced to work in rural and government

>> hospitals after their study? Why only we should pay government if we don’t

>> want to do it?

>> The rural/Govt sector needs help of Engineers, Lawyers, Chartered

>> Accountants and MBAs also.

>> Why aren’t the Engineers sent to rural areas to design and monitor roads

and

>> industrials development?

>> Why aren’t the Lawyers forced to work as Public prosecutors before they can

>> join some big foreign corporate firm?

>> Why aren’t the CAs asked to work in CAG office and various other government

>> financial sectors before joining Multinational Giants?

>> Now government wants that doctors should not immigrate to other countries

>> without asking them. Why? Are the IIT/IIM students stopped before they flee

>> to foreign countries for big fat salaries? So, why us? What is it that

>> government of society has done for doctors that they should repay? They

>> bloody can’t even protect them from goons while on duty.

>> 7. You say that doctors are writing unnecessary and costly medications. Do

>> we decide the price of a drug? Do we manufacture or give license to drug

>> manufacturers? Controlling the price of essential drugs is a government job.

>> We are helpless.

>> Sir, its easy to point fingers. We don’t say that all is well. But all is

>> not well anywhere. Its a different thing creating awareness about dowry or

>> female feticide. But its entirely different to comment on such a technical

>> and complicated issue without getting into the details of it.

>> You have maligned the entire medical fraternity. For every 10 doctors who

>> are doing wrong, there are more than 1000 healers. You owe us an apology!!!

>> This issue is not as simple as you think it is! Please show stories which

>> are unbiased and straight-forward. You cannot do justice to such an issue,

>> especially after charging a whooping amount for creating awareness!!!

>> (We hear that Amir has charged 3 crores for episode of satyamevjayate in

>> which he spreads the message to doctors that they should not make money and

>> do social service!!! How sacred!!! I don’t know if its true, but well,

it’s

>> the season of allegations!) “We Doctors may be doing little social service,

>> But at least we are not charging for it!â€.........copied from

>> https://www.facebook.com/ anchal.agarwal.146?sk=wall

>>

>>

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I agree TV is a powerful medium but we have to accept there is truth in what

he has exposed and perhaps this jolt is necessary to avoid complacency.

We have to address the issues fairly publically and get the patients back on

our side – not against us.

It was balanced to the extent he did interview Dr Shetty and the path. guy

who are practising as ethically as possible.

I think when the system is lax, individuals take liberties. I refuse to

believe that all doctors here are truth incarnate and all doctors in India

are corrupt- human nature is the same all over - but the system here

prevents people from doing wrong/penalises them to a great extent. In India

the system like all other failsafe systems has failed. It was laughable to

hear the MCI president behave as if he was unaware that ‘cuts’ took place.

Aamir Khan will get the topmost doctors to treat him that is the beauty of

our profession- I am sure he is aware of this.

Malini

From: mgims [mailto:mgims ] On Behalf Of Shah

Sent: 30 May 2012 15:18

To: mgims

Subject: Re: open letter to Aamir Khan of Satyamev Jayte

Dear Malini,

You are quite right. We need to introspect. However, the medium of

Television is so powerful that the lay person takes what he sees there as

the gospel truth. I wonder how we will undo the damage to our image? Many of

my patients have discussed this episode with me. Shouldn't Aamir have

bothered to make it a balanced show by showing at least some contrary views?

In fact he clearly stated that he will never take treatment from Indian

Doctors henceforth. I would like to remind him that when he faces an

emergency next.

Kishore Shah 1974

--------------------------------------------------

From: " lp talktalk " <lakora@... <mailto:lakora%40talktalk.net> >

Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 1:28 PM

To: <mgims <mailto:mgims%40yahoogroups.com> >

Subject: RE: open letter to Aamir Khan of Satyamev Jayte

> The last episode of Satyameva Jayate- has ruffled a few feathers. As a

> member of the profession I too was upset and felt maligned.

> I agree that there are a few bad doctors who hog press coverage and the

> many

> more that do a lot of good are left unappreciated. However there are a few

> home truths we need to accept however bitter they may be.

>

> The relationship between doctors and patients is an unequal one. The

> patient

> is vulnerable. Especially in our set up they look up to the doctor to take

> decisions.

> I am not against the need for doctors to earn well and lead a comfy life

> but

> should it be done at the cost of others?

> Treat and take money but do not do unnecessary treatments to make a profit

> or take money for treatment not done. Surely that cannot be condoned.

> We all know of patients who used to come to us in MGIMS with a history of

> colectomy done in Andhra Pradesh but when a laparotomy was performed-

> nothing had been done- just the skin scar. How ethical is that?

> I am a surgeon myself and am aware that complications are part of the game

> but-

> How can you rationalise doing a pancreatic transplant when not required or

> consented for?

> I know of my own mama who was operated on - a bypass without proper pre-op

> checks. Inevitable died post op- but to add salt to the wounds was 'kept

> alive' on life support in the ITU to prolong 'life' or was it the 'bill'?

> I know of a surgeon who added an abdominoplasty to my old maasi's

> hysterectomy offer. She is 65+ and not really going to swan around in a

> bikini next summer. The only reason we could elucidate this was because

> she

> did not know what the abdominoplasty involved and wanted me to talk to her

> surgeon. I did that as I was unsure whether he meant a real abdominoplasty

> as a cosmetic op or he was calling routine closure of abdomen by a posh

> name. He actually had meant the cosmetic op so I explained that she was

> not

> keen on a 'nip and tuck'. How can rationalise this practice?

> Re the bit about hysterectomies- I know most of the women on my in law's

> side in Kadapa are sans uterus. The sad thing is they have undergone BSO

> at

> the age of 35+ with its associated risks of an early menopause.

> Every fibroid is sold as a 'tumor'- or 'gedda' as in Telugu with 'immense

> malignant potential' though all evidence would confirm that sarcomatous

> change in fibroids is ~0.5%. No one has discussed the pros and cons of

> surgery. How correct can that be.

> No profession is without its black sheep but when malpractice is

> considered

> acceptable and is condoned by professional bodies all other arguments

> fade.

> 'Cuts' are rampant. I am told in smaller towns auto rickshaw wallas are

> also

> involved in the 'cut' to lure folk off trains/buses to a doctor.

>

> I am proud of my profession. I am the first to say that the number of

> doctors doing good in India outnumber those that don't. Rather than get

> defensive we need to try and address the problem before we lose

> credibility.

> There is no condoning malpractice both medical and ethical.

> We who consider ourselves to be professionals should also be held

> accountable for our actions.

> I do not think we can equate the medical profession to acting. You cannot

> compare apples to oranges.

>

> Malini

>

>

> open letter to Aamir Khan of Satyamev Jayte

>

>

>

>

>

> Deepchand Khandelwal <https://www.facebook.com/drdeepchand>

> ý " Message to AMIRKHAN - READ AND SHARE ALL MEDICOS N DOCTORS.

> Dear Mr. Amir Khah,

> " NOT ALL DOCTORS ARE GREEDY "

> " THERE IS NO PROFESSION THAT IS ABSOLUTELY CLEAN "

> " DOCTORS ARE OBLIGED TO SERVE BY CHOICE, NOT BY COMPULSION "

> Sir,

> I have been a big fan or your work, life and principles. I am also a fan

> of

> 'Satyamev Jayate'. But I was shocked to see the episode on 27th May, 2012.

> You are an Icon. You should have thought well and done the homework before

> doing such a biased show. There are only two people in the film industry

> that are being taken seriously by the thinking class of society, You and

> Amitabh Bacchhan. So, when you give such a biased and one sided version of

> a

> story, it hurts. Speaking about such a thing on a " commercial " TV show is

> bad. (I am sure you have taken a big amount, only doctor are supposed to

> do

> charity and social work, not actors!!! Right!) I want to highlight few

> important points here. And yes I am qualified to make observations as I am

> a

> medical student.

> 1. Your guests and audience (the words were almost put in their mouth)

> said

> that private colleges charge a capitation fee of 40 - 50 Lacs for MBBS,

> you

> should have also produced some evidence of such practice. Like you call a

> victim in all your episodes, why not here? And do the same story

> Engineering, Architecture, Law and MBA colleges, do you think they are

> clean? Why target doctors alone?

> 2. You said Since 2001, government opened 31 medical colleges and 106

> private institutes were opened. - Please note that today in India, there

> are

> a total of 181 Private and 152 Govt Medical colleges. So the number is not

> as bad s you projected. Don't project only the time period which suits

> your

> story. Either give a complete picture or do not give a picture at all!

> And also, please find out how many of these private colleges are owned by

> politicians? 95% of Private colleges in India are owned and run by

> politicians. It is a bloody nexus between politicians and MCI. The

> corruption by politicians is to blamed for the mess, not doctors!!!

> 3. One of your guest (Dr. Gulhati) said that doctors ask for 30%

> commission

> from Pharma companies to write their drugs. That is baseless,

> over-the-roof

> and sensationalizing the matter. That is as true as " Most Leading actors

> ask

> newcomers to sleep with them " or " Lawyers take money from both the sides

> in

> a legal battle " or " Most chartered accountants teach their clients how to

> save tax and also pass info to taxman on where his client saved tax " . I

> know

> all of you will shout " Where is the proof? " . So are doctors!!!

> I am not trying to sensationalize things as you did on your show by

> shading

> those fake tears, but just trying to project that allegations are easy to

> make. I know you will say that this was the opinion of our guest, and not

> yours. But you provided a platform for these fake allegations.

> 4. You compared the numbers of Licenses cancelled in England and in India.

> I

> must say your team is quite resourceful and please collect and compare

> following details also - a.Number of doctors beaten on duty by goons from

> various political outfits in government hospitals in UK and India in last

> 10

> years, and also the number of people convicted for such crime.

> b.The Stipend (Salary a post-graduate trainee doctor/intern gets) or

> Salary

> and accommodation facilities provided to the doctors of the two countries.

> c.The duty hours and working conditions of the doctors of the two

> countries.

> d.The academic and research infrastructure being provided to the medical

> students.

> 5. You said that the most brilliant students who take up medicine, should

> take it only for service to mankind, they should go to other fields if

> they

> want to earn. Why? Are we living in imperialism? Are doctors not allowed

> to

> earn and spend a good life? You were asking Dr. Devi Shetty whether he can

> do humanitarian work and Earn at same time? This is like asking Amirkhan

> or

> Shahrukh-khan their income and generalizing it for every actor in the

> industry (Even junior artists). Sir, just as there are only few Khans and

> Kapoors, There are even fewer Devi Shetty and Naresh Trehan who run their

> chain of Multi-specialty hospitals spread all over the country. See what

> it

> takes to become a doctor and then give such " Geeta-Gyan " .

> a. 5 and half year of MBBS training and 1 more year of Compulsory Rural

> Internship at Rs. 15000 - 20000 per month. (Any other field eg.

> Engineering, Management, a person would become Postgraduate in this much

> time and start earning double the amount.) If one doesn't study further,

> the

> pay at this step is 22,000 per month.

> b. After above 6 and half years of Graduation, 3 more years of

> Postgraduation, followed again by compulsory rural / Government job for 1

> year or pay Rs. 25Lac bond.

> If one doesn't study further, the pay at this step is 40,000 per month.

> c. After this above 10 and half years, 3 more years of Superspeciality,

> followed by 1 year of Govt job or a Bond of Rs. 2 Crore.

> And the seats are so few with tough competition, there tends to be a gap

> of

> a year or two in preparing for various entrance exams.

> 6. Why only Doctors are being forced to work in rural and government

> hospitals after their study? Why only we should pay government if we don't

> want to do it?

> The rural/Govt sector needs help of Engineers, Lawyers, Chartered

> Accountants and MBAs also.

> Why aren't the Engineers sent to rural areas to design and monitor roads

> and

> industrials development?

> Why aren't the Lawyers forced to work as Public prosecutors before they

> can

> join some big foreign corporate firm?

> Why aren't the CAs asked to work in CAG office and various other

> government

> financial sectors before joining Multinational Giants?

> Now government wants that doctors should not immigrate to other countries

> without asking them. Why? Are the IIT/IIM students stopped before they

> flee

> to foreign countries for big fat salaries? So, why us? What is it that

> government of society has done for doctors that they should repay? They

> bloody can't even protect them from goons while on duty.

> 7. You say that doctors are writing unnecessary and costly medications. Do

> we decide the price of a drug? Do we manufacture or give license to drug

> manufacturers? Controlling the price of essential drugs is a government

> job.

> We are helpless.

> Sir, its easy to point fingers. We don't say that all is well. But all is

> not well anywhere. Its a different thing creating awareness about dowry or

> female feticide. But its entirely different to comment on such a technical

> and complicated issue without getting into the details of it.

> You have maligned the entire medical fraternity. For every 10 doctors who

> are doing wrong, there are more than 1000 healers. You owe us an

> apology!!!

> This issue is not as simple as you think it is! Please show stories which

> are unbiased and straight-forward. You cannot do justice to such an issue,

> especially after charging a whooping amount for creating awareness!!!

> (We hear that Amir has charged 3 crores for episode of satyamevjayate in

> which he spreads the message to doctors that they should not make money

> and

> do social service!!! How sacred!!! I don't know if its true, but well,

it's

> the season of allegations!) " We Doctors may be doing little social

> service,

> But at least we are not charging for it! " .........copied from

> https://www.facebook.com/ anchal.agarwal.146?sk=wall

>

>

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> I agree TV is a powerful medium but we have to accept there is truth in what

> he has exposed and perhaps this jolt is necessary to avoid complacency.

>

> We have to address the issues fairly publically and get the patients back on

> our side – not against us.

>

> It was balanced to the extent he did interview Dr Shetty and the path. guy

> who are practising as ethically as possible.

>

> I think when the system is lax, individuals take liberties. I refuse to

> believe that all doctors here are truth incarnate and all doctors in India

> are corrupt- human nature is the same all over - but the system here

> prevents people from doing wrong/penalises them to a great extent. In India

> the system like all other failsafe systems has failed. It was laughable to

> hear the MCI president behave as if he was unaware that ‘cuts’ took place.

>

> Aamir Khan will get the topmost doctors to treat him that is the beauty of

> our profession- I am sure he is aware of this.

>

> Malini

>

> From: mgims [mailto:mgims ] On Behalf Of Shah

> Sent: 30 May 2012 15:18

> To: mgims

> Subject: Re: open letter to Aamir Khan of Satyamev Jayte

>

> Dear Malini,

>

> You are quite right. We need to introspect. However, the medium of

> Television is so powerful that the lay person takes what he sees there as

> the gospel truth. I wonder how we will undo the damage to our image? Many of

>

> my patients have discussed this episode with me. Shouldn't Aamir have

> bothered to make it a balanced show by showing at least some contrary views?

>

> In fact he clearly stated that he will never take treatment from Indian

> Doctors henceforth. I would like to remind him that when he faces an

> emergency next.

>

> Kishore Shah 1974

>

> --------------------------------------------------

> From: " lp talktalk " <lakora@... <mailto:lakora%40talktalk.net> >

> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 1:28 PM

> To: <mgims <mailto:mgims%40yahoogroups.com> >

> Subject: RE: open letter to Aamir Khan of Satyamev Jayte

>

> > The last episode of Satyameva Jayate- has ruffled a few feathers. As a

> > member of the profession I too was upset and felt maligned.

> > I agree that there are a few bad doctors who hog press coverage and the

> > many

> > more that do a lot of good are left unappreciated. However there are a few

> > home truths we need to accept however bitter they may be.

> >

> > The relationship between doctors and patients is an unequal one. The

> > patient

> > is vulnerable. Especially in our set up they look up to the doctor to take

> > decisions.

> > I am not against the need for doctors to earn well and lead a comfy life

> > but

> > should it be done at the cost of others?

> > Treat and take money but do not do unnecessary treatments to make a profit

> > or take money for treatment not done. Surely that cannot be condoned.

> > We all know of patients who used to come to us in MGIMS with a history of

> > colectomy done in Andhra Pradesh but when a laparotomy was performed-

> > nothing had been done- just the skin scar. How ethical is that?

> > I am a surgeon myself and am aware that complications are part of the game

> > but-

> > How can you rationalise doing a pancreatic transplant when not required or

> > consented for?

> > I know of my own mama who was operated on - a bypass without proper pre-op

> > checks. Inevitable died post op- but to add salt to the wounds was 'kept

> > alive' on life support in the ITU to prolong 'life' or was it the 'bill'?

> > I know of a surgeon who added an abdominoplasty to my old maasi's

> > hysterectomy offer. She is 65+ and not really going to swan around in a

> > bikini next summer. The only reason we could elucidate this was because

> > she

> > did not know what the abdominoplasty involved and wanted me to talk to her

> > surgeon. I did that as I was unsure whether he meant a real abdominoplasty

> > as a cosmetic op or he was calling routine closure of abdomen by a posh

> > name. He actually had meant the cosmetic op so I explained that she was

> > not

> > keen on a 'nip and tuck'. How can rationalise this practice?

> > Re the bit about hysterectomies- I know most of the women on my in law's

> > side in Kadapa are sans uterus. The sad thing is they have undergone BSO

> > at

> > the age of 35+ with its associated risks of an early menopause.

> > Every fibroid is sold as a 'tumor'- or 'gedda' as in Telugu with 'immense

> > malignant potential' though all evidence would confirm that sarcomatous

> > change in fibroids is ~0.5%. No one has discussed the pros and cons of

> > surgery. How correct can that be.

> > No profession is without its black sheep but when malpractice is

> > considered

> > acceptable and is condoned by professional bodies all other arguments

> > fade.

> > 'Cuts' are rampant. I am told in smaller towns auto rickshaw wallas are

> > also

> > involved in the 'cut' to lure folk off trains/buses to a doctor.

> >

> > I am proud of my profession. I am the first to say that the number of

> > doctors doing good in India outnumber those that don't. Rather than get

> > defensive we need to try and address the problem before we lose

> > credibility.

> > There is no condoning malpractice both medical and ethical.

> > We who consider ourselves to be professionals should also be held

> > accountable for our actions.

> > I do not think we can equate the medical profession to acting. You cannot

> > compare apples to oranges.

> >

> > Malini

> >

> >

> > open letter to Aamir Khan of Satyamev Jayte

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Deepchand Khandelwal <https://www.facebook.com/drdeepchand>

> > ý " Message to AMIRKHAN - READ AND SHARE ALL MEDICOS N DOCTORS.

> > Dear Mr. Amir Khah,

> > " NOT ALL DOCTORS ARE GREEDY "

> > " THERE IS NO PROFESSION THAT IS ABSOLUTELY CLEAN "

> > " DOCTORS ARE OBLIGED TO SERVE BY CHOICE, NOT BY COMPULSION "

> > Sir,

> > I have been a big fan or your work, life and principles. I am also a fan

> > of

> > 'Satyamev Jayate'. But I was shocked to see the episode on 27th May, 2012.

> > You are an Icon. You should have thought well and done the homework before

> > doing such a biased show. There are only two people in the film industry

> > that are being taken seriously by the thinking class of society, You and

> > Amitabh Bacchhan. So, when you give such a biased and one sided version of

>

> > a

> > story, it hurts. Speaking about such a thing on a " commercial " TV show is

> > bad. (I am sure you have taken a big amount, only doctor are supposed to

> > do

> > charity and social work, not actors!!! Right!) I want to highlight few

> > important points here. And yes I am qualified to make observations as I am

>

> > a

> > medical student.

> > 1. Your guests and audience (the words were almost put in their mouth)

> > said

> > that private colleges charge a capitation fee of 40 - 50 Lacs for MBBS,

> > you

> > should have also produced some evidence of such practice. Like you call a

> > victim in all your episodes, why not here? And do the same story

> > Engineering, Architecture, Law and MBA colleges, do you think they are

> > clean? Why target doctors alone?

> > 2. You said Since 2001, government opened 31 medical colleges and 106

> > private institutes were opened. - Please note that today in India, there

> > are

> > a total of 181 Private and 152 Govt Medical colleges. So the number is not

> > as bad s you projected. Don't project only the time period which suits

> > your

> > story. Either give a complete picture or do not give a picture at all!

> > And also, please find out how many of these private colleges are owned by

> > politicians? 95% of Private colleges in India are owned and run by

> > politicians. It is a bloody nexus between politicians and MCI. The

> > corruption by politicians is to blamed for the mess, not doctors!!!

> > 3. One of your guest (Dr. Gulhati) said that doctors ask for 30%

> > commission

> > from Pharma companies to write their drugs. That is baseless,

> > over-the-roof

> > and sensationalizing the matter. That is as true as " Most Leading actors

> > ask

> > newcomers to sleep with them " or " Lawyers take money from both the sides

> > in

> > a legal battle " or " Most chartered accountants teach their clients how to

> > save tax and also pass info to taxman on where his client saved tax " . I

> > know

> > all of you will shout " Where is the proof? " . So are doctors!!!

> > I am not trying to sensationalize things as you did on your show by

> > shading

> > those fake tears, but just trying to project that allegations are easy to

> > make. I know you will say that this was the opinion of our guest, and not

> > yours. But you provided a platform for these fake allegations.

> > 4. You compared the numbers of Licenses cancelled in England and in India.

>

> > I

> > must say your team is quite resourceful and please collect and compare

> > following details also - a.Number of doctors beaten on duty by goons from

> > various political outfits in government hospitals in UK and India in last

> > 10

> > years, and also the number of people convicted for such crime.

> > b.The Stipend (Salary a post-graduate trainee doctor/intern gets) or

> > Salary

> > and accommodation facilities provided to the doctors of the two countries.

> > c.The duty hours and working conditions of the doctors of the two

> > countries.

> > d.The academic and research infrastructure being provided to the medical

> > students.

> > 5. You said that the most brilliant students who take up medicine, should

> > take it only for service to mankind, they should go to other fields if

> > they

> > want to earn. Why? Are we living in imperialism? Are doctors not allowed

> > to

> > earn and spend a good life? You were asking Dr. Devi Shetty whether he can

> > do humanitarian work and Earn at same time? This is like asking Amirkhan

> > or

> > Shahrukh-khan their income and generalizing it for every actor in the

> > industry (Even junior artists). Sir, just as there are only few Khans and

> > Kapoors, There are even fewer Devi Shetty and Naresh Trehan who run their

> > chain of Multi-specialty hospitals spread all over the country. See what

> > it

> > takes to become a doctor and then give such " Geeta-Gyan " .

> > a. 5 and half year of MBBS training and 1 more year of Compulsory Rural

> > Internship at Rs. 15000 - 20000 per month. (Any other field eg.

> > Engineering, Management, a person would become Postgraduate in this much

> > time and start earning double the amount.) If one doesn't study further,

> > the

> > pay at this step is 22,000 per month.

> > b. After above 6 and half years of Graduation, 3 more years of

> > Postgraduation, followed again by compulsory rural / Government job for 1

> > year or pay Rs. 25Lac bond.

> > If one doesn't study further, the pay at this step is 40,000 per month.

> > c. After this above 10 and half years, 3 more years of Superspeciality,

> > followed by 1 year of Govt job or a Bond of Rs. 2 Crore.

> > And the seats are so few with tough competition, there tends to be a gap

> > of

> > a year or two in preparing for various entrance exams.

> > 6. Why only Doctors are being forced to work in rural and government

> > hospitals after their study? Why only we should pay government if we don't

> > want to do it?

> > The rural/Govt sector needs help of Engineers, Lawyers, Chartered

> > Accountants and MBAs also.

> > Why aren't the Engineers sent to rural areas to design and monitor roads

> > and

> > industrials development?

> > Why aren't the Lawyers forced to work as Public prosecutors before they

> > can

> > join some big foreign corporate firm?

> > Why aren't the CAs asked to work in CAG office and various other

> > government

> > financial sectors before joining Multinational Giants?

> > Now government wants that doctors should not immigrate to other countries

> > without asking them. Why? Are the IIT/IIM students stopped before they

> > flee

> > to foreign countries for big fat salaries? So, why us? What is it that

> > government of society has done for doctors that they should repay? They

> > bloody can't even protect them from goons while on duty.

> > 7. You say that doctors are writing unnecessary and costly medications. Do

> > we decide the price of a drug? Do we manufacture or give license to drug

> > manufacturers? Controlling the price of essential drugs is a government

> > job.

> > We are helpless.

> > Sir, its easy to point fingers. We don't say that all is well. But all is

> > not well anywhere. Its a different thing creating awareness about dowry or

> > female feticide. But its entirely different to comment on such a technical

> > and complicated issue without getting into the details of it.

> > You have maligned the entire medical fraternity. For every 10 doctors who

> > are doing wrong, there are more than 1000 healers. You owe us an

> > apology!!!

> > This issue is not as simple as you think it is! Please show stories which

> > are unbiased and straight-forward. You cannot do justice to such an issue,

> > especially after charging a whooping amount for creating awareness!!!

> > (We hear that Amir has charged 3 crores for episode of satyamevjayate in

> > which he spreads the message to doctors that they should not make money

> > and

> > do social service!!! How sacred!!! I don't know if its true, but well,

> it's

> > the season of allegations!) " We Doctors may be doing little social

> > service,

> > But at least we are not charging for it! " .........copied from

> > https://www.facebook.com/ anchal.agarwal.146?sk=wall

> >

> >

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Malini that's a good balanced take on the issue!!one observation about

corruption in the west it is also very much present although at a level and

subtlety that's interesting to observe!

Ashish '83

> Dear Malini,

>

> You are quite right. We need to introspect. However, the medium of

> Television is so powerful that the lay person takes what he sees there as

> the gospel truth. I wonder how we will undo the damage to our image? Many of

> my patients have discussed this episode with me. Shouldn't Aamir have

> bothered to make it a balanced show by showing at least some contrary views?

> In fact he clearly stated that he will never take treatment from Indian

> Doctors henceforth. I would like to remind him that when he faces an

> emergency next.

>

> Kishore Shah 1974

>

> --------------------------------------------------

>

> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 1:28 PM

> To: <mgims >

> Subject: RE: open letter to Aamir Khan of Satyamev Jayte

>

> > The last episode of Satyameva Jayate- has ruffled a few feathers. As a

> > member of the profession I too was upset and felt maligned.

> > I agree that there are a few bad doctors who hog press coverage and the

> > many

> > more that do a lot of good are left unappreciated. However there are a few

> > home truths we need to accept however bitter they may be.

> >

> > The relationship between doctors and patients is an unequal one. The

> > patient

> > is vulnerable. Especially in our set up they look up to the doctor to take

> > decisions.

> > I am not against the need for doctors to earn well and lead a comfy life

> > but

> > should it be done at the cost of others?

> > Treat and take money but do not do unnecessary treatments to make a profit

> > or take money for treatment not done. Surely that cannot be condoned.

> > We all know of patients who used to come to us in MGIMS with a history of

> > colectomy done in Andhra Pradesh but when a laparotomy was performed-

> > nothing had been done- just the skin scar. How ethical is that?

> > I am a surgeon myself and am aware that complications are part of the game

> > but-

> > How can you rationalise doing a pancreatic transplant when not required or

> > consented for?

> > I know of my own mama who was operated on - a bypass without proper pre-op

> > checks. Inevitable died post op- but to add salt to the wounds was 'kept

> > alive' on life support in the ITU to prolong 'life' or was it the 'bill'?

> > I know of a surgeon who added an abdominoplasty to my old maasi's

> > hysterectomy offer. She is 65+ and not really going to swan around in a

> > bikini next summer. The only reason we could elucidate this was because

> > she

> > did not know what the abdominoplasty involved and wanted me to talk to her

> > surgeon. I did that as I was unsure whether he meant a real abdominoplasty

> > as a cosmetic op or he was calling routine closure of abdomen by a posh

> > name. He actually had meant the cosmetic op so I explained that she was

> > not

> > keen on a 'nip and tuck'. How can rationalise this practice?

> > Re the bit about hysterectomies- I know most of the women on my in law's

> > side in Kadapa are sans uterus. The sad thing is they have undergone BSO

> > at

> > the age of 35+ with its associated risks of an early menopause.

> > Every fibroid is sold as a 'tumor'- or 'gedda' as in Telugu with 'immense

> > malignant potential' though all evidence would confirm that sarcomatous

> > change in fibroids is ~0.5%. No one has discussed the pros and cons of

> > surgery. How correct can that be.

> > No profession is without its black sheep but when malpractice is

> > considered

> > acceptable and is condoned by professional bodies all other arguments

> > fade.

> > 'Cuts' are rampant. I am told in smaller towns auto rickshaw wallas are

> > also

> > involved in the 'cut' to lure folk off trains/buses to a doctor.

> >

> > I am proud of my profession. I am the first to say that the number of

> > doctors doing good in India outnumber those that don't. Rather than get

> > defensive we need to try and address the problem before we lose

> > credibility.

> > There is no condoning malpractice both medical and ethical.

> > We who consider ourselves to be professionals should also be held

> > accountable for our actions.

> > I do not think we can equate the medical profession to acting. You cannot

> > compare apples to oranges.

> >

> > Malini

> >

> >

> > open letter to Aamir Khan of Satyamev Jayte

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Deepchand Khandelwal <https://www.facebook.com/drdeepchand>

> > ý " Message to AMIRKHAN - READ AND SHARE ALL MEDICOS N DOCTORS.

> > Dear Mr. Amir Khah,

> > " NOT ALL DOCTORS ARE GREEDY "

> > " THERE IS NO PROFESSION THAT IS ABSOLUTELY CLEAN "

> > " DOCTORS ARE OBLIGED TO SERVE BY CHOICE, NOT BY COMPULSION "

> > Sir,

> > I have been a big fan or your work, life and principles. I am also a fan

> > of

> > 'Satyamev Jayate'. But I was shocked to see the episode on 27th May, 2012.

> > You are an Icon. You should have thought well and done the homework before

> > doing such a biased show. There are only two people in the film industry

> > that are being taken seriously by the thinking class of society, You and

> > Amitabh Bacchhan. So, when you give such a biased and one sided version of

> > a

> > story, it hurts. Speaking about such a thing on a " commercial " TV show is

> > bad. (I am sure you have taken a big amount, only doctor are supposed to

> > do

> > charity and social work, not actors!!! Right!) I want to highlight few

> > important points here. And yes I am qualified to make observations as I am

> > a

> > medical student.

> > 1. Your guests and audience (the words were almost put in their mouth)

> > said

> > that private colleges charge a capitation fee of 40 - 50 Lacs for MBBS,

> > you

> > should have also produced some evidence of such practice. Like you call a

> > victim in all your episodes, why not here? And do the same story

> > Engineering, Architecture, Law and MBA colleges, do you think they are

> > clean? Why target doctors alone?

> > 2. You said Since 2001, government opened 31 medical colleges and 106

> > private institutes were opened. - Please note that today in India, there

> > are

> > a total of 181 Private and 152 Govt Medical colleges. So the number is not

> > as bad s you projected. Don't project only the time period which suits

> > your

> > story. Either give a complete picture or do not give a picture at all!

> > And also, please find out how many of these private colleges are owned by

> > politicians? 95% of Private colleges in India are owned and run by

> > politicians. It is a bloody nexus between politicians and MCI. The

> > corruption by politicians is to blamed for the mess, not doctors!!!

> > 3. One of your guest (Dr. Gulhati) said that doctors ask for 30%

> > commission

> > from Pharma companies to write their drugs. That is baseless,

> > over-the-roof

> > and sensationalizing the matter. That is as true as " Most Leading actors

> > ask

> > newcomers to sleep with them " or " Lawyers take money from both the sides

> > in

> > a legal battle " or " Most chartered accountants teach their clients how to

> > save tax and also pass info to taxman on where his client saved tax " . I

> > know

> > all of you will shout " Where is the proof? " . So are doctors!!!

> > I am not trying to sensationalize things as you did on your show by

> > shading

> > those fake tears, but just trying to project that allegations are easy to

> > make. I know you will say that this was the opinion of our guest, and not

> > yours. But you provided a platform for these fake allegations.

> > 4. You compared the numbers of Licenses cancelled in England and in India.

> > I

> > must say your team is quite resourceful and please collect and compare

> > following details also - a.Number of doctors beaten on duty by goons from

> > various political outfits in government hospitals in UK and India in last

> > 10

> > years, and also the number of people convicted for such crime.

> > b.The Stipend (Salary a post-graduate trainee doctor/intern gets) or

> > Salary

> > and accommodation facilities provided to the doctors of the two countries.

> > c.The duty hours and working conditions of the doctors of the two

> > countries.

> > d.The academic and research infrastructure being provided to the medical

> > students.

> > 5. You said that the most brilliant students who take up medicine, should

> > take it only for service to mankind, they should go to other fields if

> > they

> > want to earn. Why? Are we living in imperialism? Are doctors not allowed

> > to

> > earn and spend a good life? You were asking Dr. Devi Shetty whether he can

> > do humanitarian work and Earn at same time? This is like asking Amirkhan

> > or

> > Shahrukh-khan their income and generalizing it for every actor in the

> > industry (Even junior artists). Sir, just as there are only few Khans and

> > Kapoors, There are even fewer Devi Shetty and Naresh Trehan who run their

> > chain of Multi-specialty hospitals spread all over the country. See what

> > it

> > takes to become a doctor and then give such " Geeta-Gyan " .

> > a. 5 and half year of MBBS training and 1 more year of Compulsory Rural

> > Internship at Rs. 15000 - 20000 per month. (Any other field eg.

> > Engineering, Management, a person would become Postgraduate in this much

> > time and start earning double the amount.) If one doesn't study further,

> > the

> > pay at this step is 22,000 per month.

> > b. After above 6 and half years of Graduation, 3 more years of

> > Postgraduation, followed again by compulsory rural / Government job for 1

> > year or pay Rs. 25Lac bond.

> > If one doesn't study further, the pay at this step is 40,000 per month.

> > c. After this above 10 and half years, 3 more years of Superspeciality,

> > followed by 1 year of Govt job or a Bond of Rs. 2 Crore.

> > And the seats are so few with tough competition, there tends to be a gap

> > of

> > a year or two in preparing for various entrance exams.

> > 6. Why only Doctors are being forced to work in rural and government

> > hospitals after their study? Why only we should pay government if we don't

> > want to do it?

> > The rural/Govt sector needs help of Engineers, Lawyers, Chartered

> > Accountants and MBAs also.

> > Why aren't the Engineers sent to rural areas to design and monitor roads

> > and

> > industrials development?

> > Why aren't the Lawyers forced to work as Public prosecutors before they

> > can

> > join some big foreign corporate firm?

> > Why aren't the CAs asked to work in CAG office and various other

> > government

> > financial sectors before joining Multinational Giants?

> > Now government wants that doctors should not immigrate to other countries

> > without asking them. Why? Are the IIT/IIM students stopped before they

> > flee

> > to foreign countries for big fat salaries? So, why us? What is it that

> > government of society has done for doctors that they should repay? They

> > bloody can't even protect them from goons while on duty.

> > 7. You say that doctors are writing unnecessary and costly medications. Do

> > we decide the price of a drug? Do we manufacture or give license to drug

> > manufacturers? Controlling the price of essential drugs is a government

> > job.

> > We are helpless.

> > Sir, its easy to point fingers. We don't say that all is well. But all is

> > not well anywhere. Its a different thing creating awareness about dowry or

> > female feticide. But its entirely different to comment on such a technical

> > and complicated issue without getting into the details of it.

> > You have maligned the entire medical fraternity. For every 10 doctors who

> > are doing wrong, there are more than 1000 healers. You owe us an

> > apology!!!

> > This issue is not as simple as you think it is! Please show stories which

> > are unbiased and straight-forward. You cannot do justice to such an issue,

> > especially after charging a whooping amount for creating awareness!!!

> > (We hear that Amir has charged 3 crores for episode of satyamevjayate in

> > which he spreads the message to doctors that they should not make money

> > and

> > do social service!!! How sacred!!! I don't know if its true, but well, it's

> > the season of allegations!) " We Doctors may be doing little social

> > service,

> > But at least we are not charging for it! " .........copied from

> > https://www.facebook.com/ anchal.agarwal.146?sk=wall

> >

> >

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