Fw: PRG and Aluminum Toxicity

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See below..........could THIS be why these children are showing a high level of Phosphorous in their urine? My doc said it means kidney damage................just found this----- Forwarded Message ----To: miralax Sent: Mon, November 28, 2011 8:10:37 AMSubject: Re:

PRG and Aluminum Toxicity

I do not know where they get their ingredients and the MSDS do not specify WHERE they get the ingredients. Does anyone know if this is why these children are showing elevated Phosphates in their urine b/c of the Phosphorus? To: miralax Sent: Sun, November 27, 2011 7:33:54 PMSubject: Re: PRG and Aluminum Toxicity

I think it means detoxify your PEG if you're using it for plant experiments. Looks like lots of PEG is used for that purpose. Says to detoxify the PEG of any phosphorus if you're studying phosphorus as it relates to plants because of the phosphorus already in the PEG.

I'm looking to find sources of PEG - looks like some comes from US, but some comes from China. Do you know if all Miralax is made in the US of US ingredients?

Carol

Great find!!!!!!!!!

Although, I believe it says that aluminum was found to contaminate PEG and pose a toxicity problem. Not that aluminum is in PEG if I'm reading this correctly? Now, there are three things here that strike me:

1) that it was contaminated with high levels of Phophorus Question:? Is phosphorus and Phosphates the same? People who take PEG seem to have a high level of Phosphates in their urine?

2) says not to use with Mannitol? Anyone know why this would be a problem?

3) it says to detoxify your PEG!!!!!!!!!!!!

5. Detoxify the PEG you use or at least obtain a mineral analysis of the given lot. Do not use different lots of PEG in one experiment.

Gee, I wonder how you detoxify your PEG????????????????

I thought they claim it's not toxic? Although, the literature claims it's slightly toxic. The medical professionals say it's not absorbed when the literature says it's poorly absorbed. What are the gray areas here for people?????

Okay everyone, tell your Physician's that this article says to detoxify your PEG and let me know what kind of looks they give your or if they ask you to conduct a phyc evaluation!!!!!!!!!

Mineral contamination of PEG PEG of 3000 to 4000 mw from two commercial sources was found to be contaminated by high concentrations of phosphorus, which could introduce a problem if used in experiments involving 32P or P interactions (Reid, 1978). Toxic metals such as aluminum were also found to contaminate PEG and pose a toxicity problem when PEG was used in culture (cited in Reid, 1978).

Great Article though..................if anyone has the time, place a flower in water and one in PEG/ water and see which one dies first!!!!!!!!!!!!

PEG toxicity Contaminants contained in PEG can be removed by ion exchange, gel filtration, dialysis or even by recycling PEG through plants (Plaut and Federman, 1985). PEG hypoxia PEG solution can be sufficiently oxygenated by aeration, using simple aquarium pumps. Comment on Mannitol Mannitol solution or mannitol containing nutrient solution is often used in laboratories as a medium for inducing drought stress in plant and tissue cultures. Mannitol is a natural product that accumulates in certain lower and higher plant species. It should not be surprising that mannitol is taken up by plants when grown in mannitol containing medium (e.g. Fritz and Ehwald, 2010; Lipavska and Vreugdenhil, 1996). Such a system is not suitable for the study of plant response to root medium water status and it will produce artifacts. Plants will respond to stress according to the amount and the effect of mannitol taken up into plant tissues, and not only in response to medium water status. In conclusion If you intend to use PEG in nutrient culture, consider the following points: 1. Use high mw PEG (6000-8000). Avoid using mannitol. 2. Find out or investigate yourself if the plant species you use takes up PEG. 3. If needed use semi-permeable membrane system. 4. Avoid any root damage. 5. Detoxify the PEG you use or at least obtain a mineral analysis of the given lot. Do not use different lots of PEG in one experiment. 6. Add PEG to the growing plants in the nutrient solution in increments to avoid plant shock (half and half at 3-4 days interval). This is not needed if the experiment is performed with semi-permeable membranes. 7. Measure the final solution osmotic potential. Do not rely only on calculations. 8. Cover and wrap the containers so as to minimize exposure of solution and roots to light. 9. Aerate the solution and change it once every 4-6 days or as frequently as possible. 10. Do not forget to add water to replenish the solution, daily. 11. Always measure mid-day leaf water status in the course of the experiment.

To: miralax Sent: Sun, November 27, 2011 4:37:30 PMSubject: PRG and Aluminum Toxicity

This article on plant absorption of PEG says that other types of PEG are often contaminated with aluminum, which is a neurotoxin. Has anyone already researched whether Miralax has been tested for aluminum content?

Carol

http://www.plantstress.com/methods/PEG.htm

well that's really comforting b/c it's in all the literature about PEG that it causes hyponatremia which is a condition that depletes the salt/ water from your system bring all the other elements with it.

PEG depletes, potassium, magnesium, electrolytes, water, calcium................look it up, it's all there, comforting to know that our medical professionals couldn't give you an answer

http://www.medicinenet.com/polyethylene_glycol_peg_3350-oral/article.htm

read the fda adverse reactions, they're there by the hundreds....................

hypcalcemia low calcium

hyponatremia low electrolytes

hypocalemia low potassium

hypomagnesia low magnesium

The pain is associated with the calcium oxalate crystals created by PEG.............there is a low oxalate diet board where they eliminate oxalate in the body and experience the same symptoms while dumping, they call it.

See article below to see how calcium oxalate crystals are created by PEG

www.ntuh.gov.tw-PMR-Lists-List14-Attachments-164-10253009-200903-37-1-45-50-a.pdf

Just in case they didn't tell you this either, PEG is a liquid plastic made from anti-freeze....................poly (ethylene glycol) EG is antifreeze

Jeanie

To: miralax Sent: Sun, November 27, 2011 12:29:03 PMSubject: Re: who is off miralax but struggling

After having the stuff often my heart would race a bit, I think it's connected althogh I do have a heart rhythm issues so hard to say 100% I always woke up with pain and sweating too. I finally was on twice a day and had "reg" movements as in often but still painful even though it was soft and fluffy. I ended up with low potassium, no one knows why, maybe the miralax?the ER just kept saying to take more and more and more >> Welcome............please read the files section if you haven't > already.....................> > Shaklee herblax is my favorite> Kirkman chewable probiotics or pro-bio gold> VSL #3 is suppose to be the #1 probiotic > oxypowder> Natural calm > > eat lots of watermelon.......................> > you don't happen to have any urinary problems since you started do you? If so, > lemon juice helps with that...............let me know> > Jeanie > > > > ________________________________> > To: miralax > Sent: Sun, November 27, 2011 12:49:22 AM> Subject: who is off miralax but struggling> > > I always was iffy on miralax but now I know I don't want to take it. the problem > is, what do I take instead?> > I'm on day 4 again with no BM and the GI just pushes miralax>