Re: New here. Could I have mold problems?

[Guest guest]

Ok...I'll be the one to say it! YOU'RE in a SICK BUILDING! you've

just told us all, what the problem is. Dark, Damp and Musty

>

> Hello,

>

> I am 42 years old and I am very ill. I have thought of everything

> and tried everything. Nobody knows exactly what I have so I'm

> diagnosed with depression, anxiety, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome,

> Fibromyalgia, Dysautonomia, etc.

>

> And I may agree with that but the question is that I also have

awful

> respiratory disease that doctors can't see or treat for over 15

> years. My nose, sinuses and lungs burn and hurt 24 hours a day and

> nothing helps. I feel really sick from it to the point that

disables

> me more than the rest of diagnosis or illneses.

>

> I have always lived in an old big and dark apartment which smells

> like old, dusty and even moldy, has lots of carpets, wall paper,

> wooden floor with lots of holes between the woods, it has lots of

> old books old furniture and some rooms have this old

> style " Luxurious " clothe in the walls instead of paint or paper.

>

> So, the house could be having mold but I don't see it. My nose and

> sinuses and lungs are so damaged that I can't smell but people say

> it smells like old and a bit damp. As I said it is very dark, never

> sees the light in most of it.

>

> As I said before, I have visited a thousand respiratory

specialists,

> nose, ear and thorat specialists, allergy doctors, internists,

> neurologists... they diagnose: " hypersensitivity and

> hyperreactivity " or " vasomotor " rhinitis, but not allergy or

> infection or anything. I can't have that because my lungs and

> sinuses are awfully ill with non stop mucus, phlegms, dryness and

> pain like hell.

>

> So, my desperate question is, how can I know if I am sick because

of

> mold or something like that.

>

> Thank you very much in advance

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks a lot for your reply! But my question is how can I know if

that is what is making me ill, is there a test or something? I have

lived in a different place for more than year and I was still the

same ill, so whatever it is is inside me. Is there a test if you

have mold disease?

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > I am 42 years old and I am very ill. I have thought of

everything

> > and tried everything. Nobody knows exactly what I have so I'm

> > diagnosed with depression, anxiety, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome,

> > Fibromyalgia, Dysautonomia, etc.

> >

> > And I may agree with that but the question is that I also have

> awful

> > respiratory disease that doctors can't see or treat for over 15

> > years. My nose, sinuses and lungs burn and hurt 24 hours a day

and

> > nothing helps. I feel really sick from it to the point that

> disables

> > me more than the rest of diagnosis or illneses.

> >

> > I have always lived in an old big and dark apartment which

smells

> > like old, dusty and even moldy, has lots of carpets, wall paper,

> > wooden floor with lots of holes between the woods, it has lots

of

> > old books old furniture and some rooms have this old

> > style " Luxurious " clothe in the walls instead of paint or paper.

> >

> > So, the house could be having mold but I don't see it. My nose

and

> > sinuses and lungs are so damaged that I can't smell but people

say

> > it smells like old and a bit damp. As I said it is very dark,

never

> > sees the light in most of it.

> >

> > As I said before, I have visited a thousand respiratory

> specialists,

> > nose, ear and thorat specialists, allergy doctors, internists,

> > neurologists... they diagnose: " hypersensitivity and

> > hyperreactivity " or " vasomotor " rhinitis, but not allergy or

> > infection or anything. I can't have that because my lungs and

> > sinuses are awfully ill with non stop mucus, phlegms, dryness

and

> > pain like hell.

> >

> > So, my desperate question is, how can I know if I am sick

because

> of

> > mold or something like that.

> >

> > Thank you very much in advance

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Most of the time toxic mold breeds in an environment in dark places where no

sunlight can reach it and a constant water source. Like inbetween walls with a

leaky pipe or crawl spaces, basements, attics. Since your really sick I think it

would be worth it to call a local mold tester to come out and do some extensive

testing of your home. Some testers even have some sophisticated equipment to

detect moisture behind a wall, assuming ofcourse you can not see any mold with

the naked eye.

Does your home or workplace have any old water leaks? Check it out and God Bless

you

Elias

cbn97es <cbn97@...> wrote: Hello,

I am 42 years old and I am very ill. I have thought of everything

and tried everything. Nobody knows exactly what I have so I'm

diagnosed with depression, anxiety, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome,

Fibromyalgia, Dysautonomia, etc.

And I may agree with that but the question is that I also have awful

respiratory disease that doctors can't see or treat for over 15

years. My nose, sinuses and lungs burn and hurt 24 hours a day and

nothing helps. I feel really sick from it to the point that disables

me more than the rest of diagnosis or illneses.

I have always lived in an old big and dark apartment which smells

like old, dusty and even moldy, has lots of carpets, wall paper,

wooden floor with lots of holes between the woods, it has lots of

old books old furniture and some rooms have this old

style " Luxurious " clothe in the walls instead of paint or paper.

So, the house could be having mold but I don't see it. My nose and

sinuses and lungs are so damaged that I can't smell but people say

it smells like old and a bit damp. As I said it is very dark, never

sees the light in most of it.

As I said before, I have visited a thousand respiratory specialists,

nose, ear and thorat specialists, allergy doctors, internists,

neurologists... they diagnose: " hypersensitivity and

hyperreactivity " or " vasomotor " rhinitis, but not allergy or

infection or anything. I can't have that because my lungs and

sinuses are awfully ill with non stop mucus, phlegms, dryness and

pain like hell.

So, my desperate question is, how can I know if I am sick because of

mold or something like that.

Thank you very much in advance

[Guest guest]

Go see Dr. Richie Shoemaker or Dr. Gray for a diagnosis and

treatment. You may see another " thousand " Dr's and sadly they will

side with " The Lie " that the " Industry " so ademantly protects. Until

all the Dr's realize that they've been duped and are being laughed

at, that " Lie " will continue to protect the arrogant, egotistical,

heartless uncompassionate, careless, reckless, powertrip-money-hungry-

mongers, that they are!

>

> Hello,

>

> I am 42 years old and I am very ill. I have thought of everything

> and tried everything. Nobody knows exactly what I have so I'm

> diagnosed with depression, anxiety, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome,

> Fibromyalgia, Dysautonomia, etc.

>

> And I may agree with that but the question is that I also have

awful

> respiratory disease that doctors can't see or treat for over 15

> years. My nose, sinuses and lungs burn and hurt 24 hours a day and

> nothing helps. I feel really sick from it to the point that

disables

> me more than the rest of diagnosis or illneses.

>

> I have always lived in an old big and dark apartment which smells

> like old, dusty and even moldy, has lots of carpets, wall paper,

> wooden floor with lots of holes between the woods, it has lots of

> old books old furniture and some rooms have this old

> style " Luxurious " clothe in the walls instead of paint or paper.

>

> So, the house could be having mold but I don't see it. My nose and

> sinuses and lungs are so damaged that I can't smell but people say

> it smells like old and a bit damp. As I said it is very dark, never

> sees the light in most of it.

>

> As I said before, I have visited a thousand respiratory

specialists,

> nose, ear and thorat specialists, allergy doctors, internists,

> neurologists... they diagnose: " hypersensitivity and

> hyperreactivity " or " vasomotor " rhinitis, but not allergy or

> infection or anything. I can't have that because my lungs and

> sinuses are awfully ill with non stop mucus, phlegms, dryness and

> pain like hell.

>

> So, my desperate question is, how can I know if I am sick because

of

> mold or something like that.

>

> Thank you very much in advance

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Excuse me but I don't understand what you mean. I have heard the

same in every different " controversial " disease I have investigated.

But I still don't see what benefit do normal doctors have by denying

its existance. What I clearly see is the benefit of all those

alternative doctors who live out of them.

I was asking for a medical test or diagnosis. Many people have lived

in this apartment for 30 years and nobody got ill but me. Besides I

remain ill if I live somewhere else. What I am asking is if there is

a test to see if you have mold disease and it goes with you wherever

you go, not these alternative scams from scam doctors and scam labs.

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > I am 42 years old and I am very ill. I have thought of

everything

> > and tried everything. Nobody knows exactly what I have so I'm

> > diagnosed with depression, anxiety, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome,

> > Fibromyalgia, Dysautonomia, etc.

> >

> > And I may agree with that but the question is that I also have

> awful

> > respiratory disease that doctors can't see or treat for over 15

> > years. My nose, sinuses and lungs burn and hurt 24 hours a day

and

> > nothing helps. I feel really sick from it to the point that

> disables

> > me more than the rest of diagnosis or illneses.

> >

> > I have always lived in an old big and dark apartment which

smells

> > like old, dusty and even moldy, has lots of carpets, wall paper,

> > wooden floor with lots of holes between the woods, it has lots

of

> > old books old furniture and some rooms have this old

> > style " Luxurious " clothe in the walls instead of paint or paper.

> >

> > So, the house could be having mold but I don't see it. My nose

and

> > sinuses and lungs are so damaged that I can't smell but people

say

> > it smells like old and a bit damp. As I said it is very dark,

never

> > sees the light in most of it.

> >

> > As I said before, I have visited a thousand respiratory

> specialists,

> > nose, ear and thorat specialists, allergy doctors, internists,

> > neurologists... they diagnose: " hypersensitivity and

> > hyperreactivity " or " vasomotor " rhinitis, but not allergy or

> > infection or anything. I can't have that because my lungs and

> > sinuses are awfully ill with non stop mucus, phlegms, dryness

and

> > pain like hell.

> >

> > So, my desperate question is, how can I know if I am sick

because

> of

> > mold or something like that.

> >

> > Thank you very much in advance

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hello,

>

> I am 42 years old and I am very ill. I have thought of everything

> and tried everything. Nobody knows exactly what I have so I'm

> diagnosed with depression, anxiety, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome,

> Fibromyalgia, Dysautonomia, etc.

>

> And I may agree with that but the question is that I also have awful

> respiratory disease that doctors can't see or treat for over 15

> years. My nose, sinuses and lungs burn and hurt 24 hours a day and

> nothing helps. I feel really sick from it to the point that disables

> me more than the rest of diagnosis or illneses.

>

> I have always lived in an old big and dark apartment which smells

> like old, dusty and even moldy, has lots of carpets, wall paper,

> wooden floor with lots of holes between the woods, it has lots of

> old books old furniture and some rooms have this old

> style " Luxurious " clothe in the walls instead of paint or paper.

>

> So, the house could be having mold but I don't see it. My nose and

> sinuses and lungs are so damaged that I can't smell but people say

> it smells like old and a bit damp. As I said it is very dark, never

> sees the light in most of it.

>

> As I said before, I have visited a thousand respiratory specialists,

> nose, ear and thorat specialists, allergy doctors, internists,

> neurologists... they diagnose: " hypersensitivity and

> hyperreactivity " or " vasomotor " rhinitis, but not allergy or

> infection or anything. I can't have that because my lungs and

> sinuses are awfully ill with non stop mucus, phlegms, dryness and

> pain like hell.

>

> So, my desperate question is, how can I know if I am sick because of

> mold or something like that.

>

> Thank you very much in advance

>

>

>

-one question: How do you feel when you are away from your

building for any amount of time? Have you ever felt any relief or

improvement on a long vacation, say? That's how I knew my house was

sick. I was just better outside.

Everyone here is going to tell you the same thing-move! But it's just

not that easy-so if you can make yourself a safe room in your home

(insulate, run air cleaners, etc) that could be a start.

Good luck, Surella

[Guest guest]

A great source of information about mold illness is Dr. Shoemaker's

newest website at http://www.biotoxin.info/

Dr. S. has developed a test called the BIRS that you can take online

for $14.95. You can read more about it if you click on the " Testing "

tab of his site. The BIRS test combines symptoms + VCS test results

and indicates a biotoxin illness with a high degree of accuracy. It

is meant to be a screening tool.

Much more about mold illness (and other biotoxin illnesses) is

available on this website, including extremely informative webcasts

from Dr. S. himself!

>

> Thanks a lot for your reply! But my question is how can I know if

> that is what is making me ill, is there a test or something? I have

> lived in a different place for more than year and I was still the

> same ill, so whatever it is is inside me. Is there a test if you

> have mold disease?

>

[Guest guest]

" Excuse me but I don't understand what you mean. I have heard the

same in every different " controversial " disease I have investigated. "

cbn,

Excuse me, but I don't understand what you mean or are implying. Are

you saying that many of these symptoms that patients are

experiencing are controversial? And what other diseases have you

investigated that are controversail? Show me the research that you

base these statements on.

Are you also implying that Dr.Shoemaker and Dr.Gray,their diagnoses,

treatment and protocols they use are scams? If so explain. At the

same time who are you representing? You are speaking of two of the

leading environmental physicians in the country that are well

informed of mycotoxin exposure of WDB's. The labs that they use are

used by hospitals, doctors, etc., from all over the country.

I'll be waiting for your response.

KC,

Owner

> > >

> > > Hello,

> > >

> > > I am 42 years old and I am very ill. I have thought of

> everything

> > > and tried everything. Nobody knows exactly what I have so I'm

> > > diagnosed with depression, anxiety, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome,

> > > Fibromyalgia, Dysautonomia, etc.

> > >

> > > And I may agree with that but the question is that I also have

> > awful

> > > respiratory disease that doctors can't see or treat for over

15

> > > years. My nose, sinuses and lungs burn and hurt 24 hours a day

> and

> > > nothing helps. I feel really sick from it to the point that

> > disables

> > > me more than the rest of diagnosis or illneses.

> > >

> > > I have always lived in an old big and dark apartment which

> smells

> > > like old, dusty and even moldy, has lots of carpets, wall

paper,

> > > wooden floor with lots of holes between the woods, it has lots

> of

> > > old books old furniture and some rooms have this old

> > > style " Luxurious " clothe in the walls instead of paint or

paper.

> > >

> > > So, the house could be having mold but I don't see it. My nose

> and

> > > sinuses and lungs are so damaged that I can't smell but people

> say

> > > it smells like old and a bit damp. As I said it is very dark,

> never

> > > sees the light in most of it.

> > >

> > > As I said before, I have visited a thousand respiratory

> > specialists,

> > > nose, ear and thorat specialists, allergy doctors, internists,

> > > neurologists... they diagnose: " hypersensitivity and

> > > hyperreactivity " or " vasomotor " rhinitis, but not allergy or

> > > infection or anything. I can't have that because my lungs and

> > > sinuses are awfully ill with non stop mucus, phlegms, dryness

> and

> > > pain like hell.

> > >

> > > So, my desperate question is, how can I know if I am sick

> because

> > of

> > > mold or something like that.

> > >

> > > Thank you very much in advance

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I can't be any more clear.... Go see Dr. Richie Shoemaker or Dr.

Gray....Yes, there are tests and either one will be able to

sort out your " illness " they are both Great MD.'s and deal with " Sick

Building " victims on a daily basis. They are honest caring and

compassionate. And if it turns out you are ill due to some other

cause, your chances of getting an answer from either one of them are

greater than bouncing from one Dr. to another. :-)

> > >

> > > Hello,

> > >

> > > I am 42 years old and I am very ill. I have thought of

> everything

> > > and tried everything. Nobody knows exactly what I have so I'm

> > > diagnosed with depression, anxiety, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome,

> > > Fibromyalgia, Dysautonomia, etc.

> > >

> > > And I may agree with that but the question is that I also have

> > awful

> > > respiratory disease that doctors can't see or treat for over 15

> > > years. My nose, sinuses and lungs burn and hurt 24 hours a day

> and

> > > nothing helps. I feel really sick from it to the point that

> > disables

> > > me more than the rest of diagnosis or illneses.

> > >

> > > I have always lived in an old big and dark apartment which

> smells

> > > like old, dusty and even moldy, has lots of carpets, wall

paper,

> > > wooden floor with lots of holes between the woods, it has lots

> of

> > > old books old furniture and some rooms have this old

> > > style " Luxurious " clothe in the walls instead of paint or paper.

> > >

> > > So, the house could be having mold but I don't see it. My nose

> and

> > > sinuses and lungs are so damaged that I can't smell but people

> say

> > > it smells like old and a bit damp. As I said it is very dark,

> never

> > > sees the light in most of it.

> > >

> > > As I said before, I have visited a thousand respiratory

> > specialists,

> > > nose, ear and thorat specialists, allergy doctors, internists,

> > > neurologists... they diagnose: " hypersensitivity and

> > > hyperreactivity " or " vasomotor " rhinitis, but not allergy or

> > > infection or anything. I can't have that because my lungs and

> > > sinuses are awfully ill with non stop mucus, phlegms, dryness

> and

> > > pain like hell.

> > >

> > > So, my desperate question is, how can I know if I am sick

> because

> > of

> > > mold or something like that.

> > >

> > > Thank you very much in advance

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

CBN:

Hey Dude, there's no good answer to your question, and I guarantee every one of

us on this site has had the SAME question, why the heck can't ask a reg'lar

physician to recognize our symptoms and ailments... am gonna tell you there is

no rational explanation. Honestly, don't waste your time looking for one if you

want to stay sane...

Save yourself time and frustration and see the folks who know how to diagnose

and what to do about it so you can begin healing. Sometimes you can get your

doctor at home to take instruction to someone with experience with what we're

working with.

I didn't at all get the sense that you were denegrating the doctors mentioned as

I see another did. My sense is that like most of us here, you've been using

what scientific skills we non-scientists have to deduce what's wrong with us

because we have bizarre symptoms that most doctors glaze over about when we

describe them. And it doesn't make sense that there is so little accepted

information for symptoms that are really, really real.

Congratulations - you've joined the club! Dunno if you've got what we've got,

but you've been run through the same ringer! ;-)

~Haley

cbn97es <cbn97@...> wrote: Excuse me but I

don't understand what you mean. I have heard the

same in every different " controversial " disease I have investigated.

But I still don't see what benefit do normal doctors have by denying

its existance. What I clearly see is the benefit of all those

alternative doctors who live out of them.

I was asking for a medical test or diagnosis. Many people have lived

in this apartment for 30 years and nobody got ill but me. Besides I

remain ill if I live somewhere else. What I am asking is if there is

a test to see if you have mold disease and it goes with you wherever

you go, not these alternative scams from scam doctors and scam labs.

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > I am 42 years old and I am very ill. I have thought of

everything

> > and tried everything. Nobody knows exactly what I have so I'm

> > diagnosed with depression, anxiety, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome,

> > Fibromyalgia, Dysautonomia, etc.

> >

> > And I may agree with that but the question is that I also have

> awful

> > respiratory disease that doctors can't see or treat for over 15

> > years. My nose, sinuses and lungs burn and hurt 24 hours a day

and

> > nothing helps. I feel really sick from it to the point that

> disables

> > me more than the rest of diagnosis or illneses.

> >

> > I have always lived in an old big and dark apartment which

smells

> > like old, dusty and even moldy, has lots of carpets, wall paper,

> > wooden floor with lots of holes between the woods, it has lots

of

> > old books old furniture and some rooms have this old

> > style " Luxurious " clothe in the walls instead of paint or paper.

> >

> > So, the house could be having mold but I don't see it. My nose

and

> > sinuses and lungs are so damaged that I can't smell but people

say

> > it smells like old and a bit damp. As I said it is very dark,

never

> > sees the light in most of it.

> >

> > As I said before, I have visited a thousand respiratory

> specialists,

> > nose, ear and thorat specialists, allergy doctors, internists,

> > neurologists... they diagnose: " hypersensitivity and

> > hyperreactivity " or " vasomotor " rhinitis, but not allergy or

> > infection or anything. I can't have that because my lungs and

> > sinuses are awfully ill with non stop mucus, phlegms, dryness

and

> > pain like hell.

> >

> > So, my desperate question is, how can I know if I am sick

because

> of

> > mold or something like that.

> >

> > Thank you very much in advance

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Ok, I see, this is the classic forum which is promoting some doctor

or products or tests. Classic.

Listen, whoever you are, KC and the Sunshine Band. I am speaking by

myself and my own experience as a sick person who desperately looks

for relief or cure.

I don't have to give you any explanations at all, specially when you

talk to me with suck manners.

Yes, I imply that most of these alternative doctors are scammers.

And they exist for hundreds. Most of them are not even doctors,

didn't even bother in studying a lot of years of Medicine. Same

about the thousands of charlatans and people who simply promote

products and therapies for the money.

If this Dr.Shoemaker is one of them or not I don't know at all. But

you definetely look like someone involved financially if you are the

owner of this site.

You ask me know many diseas I have investigated, and I'll tell you

also how many therapies, treatments and products say the same

without knowing.

There is someone here who run to say... " YOU HAVE MOLD PROBLEMS " .

Bollocks with that and with that kind of people. They are in every

forum and every controversial illness or treatment. And for your

information, in case that you don't know, which I seriously doubt, I

will tell you the list of questionable diseases where people run to

say the same as that guy diagnosing me and telling me to spend my

money in that questionable doctor:

- Mercury intoxication

- Heavy metals intoxication

- Metal allergies

- Hidden allergies to many things

- Gluten intolerance

- Wheat intolerance

- Lactose intolerance

- Salicylate intolerance

- Celiac disease

- Chronic Candidiasis

- Chlamydia infection

- Mycoplasma infection

- 's Syndrome

- Hypoglycemia

- Hypothyroidsm

- Fibromyalgia

- Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

- Dysautonomia

- Chemical Sensitivity and Chemical damage

- ELectrosensitivity

- Root canals disease

And the list is endless.

Now, my question is still there for those who are not financially

involved in this sort of things or get offended like this guy who

seems to see enemies for his dollars everywhere.

Is this Dr.Shoemaker test something internationally accepted? If so,

does it exist in Europe and not online but in person? Apart from

that, are there any other tests more accepted by people with the 10

years studies of Medicine to determine if you are sick because of

Mold?

And in reply to those who were nice to help I answer that indeed I

have felt very sick everywhere I have been to, and in these long

last 20 years I have been in many places and countries gradually

deteriorating. Indeed I feel worse at home but better than if

outside is cold or humid. I have extreme reactions to cold and

humidity.

Thank you again to those without any agenda here.

> > > >

> > > > Hello,

> > > >

> > > > I am 42 years old and I am very ill. I have thought of

> > everything

> > > > and tried everything. Nobody knows exactly what I have so

I'm

> > > > diagnosed with depression, anxiety, Chronic Fatigue

Syndrome,

> > > > Fibromyalgia, Dysautonomia, etc.

> > > >

> > > > And I may agree with that but the question is that I also

have

> > > awful

> > > > respiratory disease that doctors can't see or treat for over

> 15

> > > > years. My nose, sinuses and lungs burn and hurt 24 hours a

day

> > and

> > > > nothing helps. I feel really sick from it to the point that

> > > disables

> > > > me more than the rest of diagnosis or illneses.

> > > >

> > > > I have always lived in an old big and dark apartment which

> > smells

> > > > like old, dusty and even moldy, has lots of carpets, wall

> paper,

> > > > wooden floor with lots of holes between the woods, it has

lots

> > of

> > > > old books old furniture and some rooms have this old

> > > > style " Luxurious " clothe in the walls instead of paint or

> paper.

> > > >

> > > > So, the house could be having mold but I don't see it. My

nose

> > and

> > > > sinuses and lungs are so damaged that I can't smell but

people

> > say

> > > > it smells like old and a bit damp. As I said it is very

dark,

> > never

> > > > sees the light in most of it.

> > > >

> > > > As I said before, I have visited a thousand respiratory

> > > specialists,

> > > > nose, ear and thorat specialists, allergy doctors,

internists,

> > > > neurologists... they diagnose: " hypersensitivity and

> > > > hyperreactivity " or " vasomotor " rhinitis, but not allergy or

> > > > infection or anything. I can't have that because my lungs

and

> > > > sinuses are awfully ill with non stop mucus, phlegms,

dryness

> > and

> > > > pain like hell.

> > > >

> > > > So, my desperate question is, how can I know if I am sick

> > because

> > > of

> > > > mold or something like that.

> > > >

> > > > Thank you very much in advance

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

cbn, sorry you are so illm sorry thise thousands of doctors you have

seen have not helped you one bit. sorry that you fell that this is

all just a scam. guess theres not much help for you in that case but

sence you say no one else in the building is ill, maybe you should

consider that maybe your illness is of a viral nature, or paracites.

of corse you'd still maybe have to consider seeing a environmental

doctor. I think any illness is going to suffer even more if your also

getting mold exposure too. we talk about advoidance here alot because

it's really the first and most important step in tring to fell better.

of a rnvironment is makeing you ill you need to not be there, the

effects are accumalative even at a low level of chronic exposure.

> > >

> > > Hello,

> > >

> > > I am 42 years old and I am very ill. I have thought of

> everything

> > > and tried everything. Nobody knows exactly what I have so I'm

> > > diagnosed with depression, anxiety, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome,

> > > Fibromyalgia, Dysautonomia, etc.

> > >

> > > And I may agree with that but the question is that I also have

> > awful

> > > respiratory disease that doctors can't see or treat for over 15

> > > years. My nose, sinuses and lungs burn and hurt 24 hours a day

> and

> > > nothing helps. I feel really sick from it to the point that

> > disables

> > > me more than the rest of diagnosis or illneses.

> > >

> > > I have always lived in an old big and dark apartment which

> smells

> > > like old, dusty and even moldy, has lots of carpets, wall

paper,

> > > wooden floor with lots of holes between the woods, it has lots

> of

> > > old books old furniture and some rooms have this old

> > > style " Luxurious " clothe in the walls instead of paint or paper.

> > >

> > > So, the house could be having mold but I don't see it. My nose

> and

> > > sinuses and lungs are so damaged that I can't smell but people

> say

> > > it smells like old and a bit damp. As I said it is very dark,

> never

> > > sees the light in most of it.

> > >

> > > As I said before, I have visited a thousand respiratory

> > specialists,

> > > nose, ear and thorat specialists, allergy doctors, internists,

> > > neurologists... they diagnose: " hypersensitivity and

> > > hyperreactivity " or " vasomotor " rhinitis, but not allergy or

> > > infection or anything. I can't have that because my lungs and

> > > sinuses are awfully ill with non stop mucus, phlegms, dryness

> and

> > > pain like hell.

> > >

> > > So, my desperate question is, how can I know if I am sick

> because

> > of

> > > mold or something like that.

> > >

> > > Thank you very much in advance

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, Let me first say that the doctor's on this group have no

financial gain, and have the patient's health first and above all.

The doctor's that were suggested to you on this board are well known

across the country for treating many mold victims and successfully.

As far as normal doctors, well my first normal doctor that recognized

my illness from mold exposure was my primary care physician, and I

also have seen other alternative doctors that have also recognized my

illnesses from mold exposure. I don't understand why you would think

that normal doctor's, which to me all doctor's are normal, would have

any benefit in denying this mold existence as making us ill.

As far as scam labs, scam doctors I am appalled at this statement. Do

you work, do you get paid for your expertise. These doctors, and

these technicians have put many years into their devoted learning and

practices to help the sick. It would be the same as if I were to say,

what ever profession you are in, that you would be scamming us per say

as you say about these doc's and labs. I would suggest you do some

more research on the mold issues and illness, research professionals

that treat the ill in every disease process, have some testing done in

your apartment by a professional, and of course you would want to

check them out even with the better business bureau, etc to see if

they are out to scam you or help you. Remember, we could say every

professional out in this world in every profession are out to scam us,

because I know damn well there are many out there in other fields and

not in the medical field that do so. Why don't you go see an

allergist, and be tested for allergies to mold to start with? Then

maybe you might start getting some answers to what ever you are

experiencing. Please feel free to respond to every sentence I posted

here. As a nurse, I feel that you should try to educate yourself more

on the issues at hand. I am also a international mold advocate, free

of course, no financial gain. Darlene

> > >

> > > Hello,

> > >

> > > I am 42 years old and I am very ill. I have thought of

> everything

> > > and tried everything. Nobody knows exactly what I have so I'm

> > > diagnosed with depression, anxiety, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome,

> > > Fibromyalgia, Dysautonomia, etc.

> > >

> > > And I may agree with that but the question is that I also have

> > awful

> > > respiratory disease that doctors can't see or treat for over 15

> > > years. My nose, sinuses and lungs burn and hurt 24 hours a day

> and

> > > nothing helps. I feel really sick from it to the point that

> > disables

> > > me more than the rest of diagnosis or illneses.

> > >

> > > I have always lived in an old big and dark apartment which

> smells

> > > like old, dusty and even moldy, has lots of carpets, wall paper,

> > > wooden floor with lots of holes between the woods, it has lots

> of

> > > old books old furniture and some rooms have this old

> > > style " Luxurious " clothe in the walls instead of paint or paper.

> > >

> > > So, the house could be having mold but I don't see it. My nose

> and

> > > sinuses and lungs are so damaged that I can't smell but people

> say

> > > it smells like old and a bit damp. As I said it is very dark,

> never

> > > sees the light in most of it.

> > >

> > > As I said before, I have visited a thousand respiratory

> > specialists,

> > > nose, ear and thorat specialists, allergy doctors, internists,

> > > neurologists... they diagnose: " hypersensitivity and

> > > hyperreactivity " or " vasomotor " rhinitis, but not allergy or

> > > infection or anything. I can't have that because my lungs and

> > > sinuses are awfully ill with non stop mucus, phlegms, dryness

> and

> > > pain like hell.

> > >

> > > So, my desperate question is, how can I know if I am sick

> because

> > of

> > > mold or something like that.

> > >

> > > Thank you very much in advance

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Lets not forget the HLA factor. Genotype!! only 24% of the population have

the genes that don't allow your body to detox like the rest of them. So it

could be as simple as that. The building I was in housed a lot of different

people but only few got sick. Especially me, I'm in the top 4%

who <Jeanine660@...> wrote: cbn, sorry

you are so illm sorry thise thousands of doctors you have

seen have not helped you one bit. sorry that you fell that this is

all just a scam. guess theres not much help for you in that case but

sence you say no one else in the building is ill, maybe you should

consider that maybe your illness is of a viral nature, or paracites.

of corse you'd still maybe have to consider seeing a environmental

doctor. I think any illness is going to suffer even more if your also

getting mold exposure too. we talk about advoidance here alot because

it's really the first and most important step in tring to fell better.

of a rnvironment is makeing you ill you need to not be there, the

effects are accumalative even at a low level of chronic exposure.

> > >

> > > Hello,

> > >

> > > I am 42 years old and I am very ill. I have thought of

> everything

> > > and tried everything. Nobody knows exactly what I have so I'm

> > > diagnosed with depression, anxiety, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome,

> > > Fibromyalgia, Dysautonomia, etc.

> > >

> > > And I may agree with that but the question is that I also have

> > awful

> > > respiratory disease that doctors can't see or treat for over 15

> > > years. My nose, sinuses and lungs burn and hurt 24 hours a day

> and

> > > nothing helps. I feel really sick from it to the point that

> > disables

> > > me more than the rest of diagnosis or illneses.

> > >

> > > I have always lived in an old big and dark apartment which

> smells

> > > like old, dusty and even moldy, has lots of carpets, wall

paper,

> > > wooden floor with lots of holes between the woods, it has lots

> of

> > > old books old furniture and some rooms have this old

> > > style " Luxurious " clothe in the walls instead of paint or paper.

> > >

> > > So, the house could be having mold but I don't see it. My nose

> and

> > > sinuses and lungs are so damaged that I can't smell but people

> say

> > > it smells like old and a bit damp. As I said it is very dark,

> never

> > > sees the light in most of it.

> > >

> > > As I said before, I have visited a thousand respiratory

> > specialists,

> > > nose, ear and thorat specialists, allergy doctors, internists,

> > > neurologists... they diagnose: " hypersensitivity and

> > > hyperreactivity " or " vasomotor " rhinitis, but not allergy or

> > > infection or anything. I can't have that because my lungs and

> > > sinuses are awfully ill with non stop mucus, phlegms, dryness

> and

> > > pain like hell.

> > >

> > > So, my desperate question is, how can I know if I am sick

> because

> > of

> > > mold or something like that.

> > >

> > > Thank you very much in advance

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

,

YOU were the rude one. " KC and the Sunshine Band " ? " Financially

motivated " ?. You have no idea of what you write or how much KC and Sharon have

given

freely to assist others. You have no idea of the sacrifices they have made

over the past 10 years. How many calls they have taken in the middle of the

night, how many people they have helped when no one else would. There is no

money or advertising support for this website. There is no pay check coming to

them to help others....althought there should be.

To put it quite bluntly, who in the Hell do you think you are to come on a

support board and immediately accuse those from who you seek help of being

motivated by financial conflicts of interest? It is no wonder you have wondered

lost for all these years. You do not seem to be able to recognize a good

thing when you see it.

Sincerely,

Sharon Kramer

In a message dated 3/12/2008 8:33:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

cbn97@... writes:

Thank you WHO for your reply.

Again, I wasn't rude at all, KC was the rude one.

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[Guest guest]

, Let me first say that yes, there are specific test that can be done. I

am not sure what labs you are refering to as scams but when you can take a

substance out of your body, culture it and geneticly pinpoint exactly which

toxin you are being affected by there is no dispute that you are ill from the

toxins set off by mold and/or other chemicals.

This is the same as illnesses by chemical warfare which has included agent

orange, do you believe that was a sfcam? anthrax, Gulf war syndrome etc. I

realize I am nameing other things than mold but there are specific test for all

of these.

The benafit for doctors you spoke of. Well other than the fact that like all

illnesses there is additional learning that has to be done anytime anything is

becomeing more and more of a problem, then there are all kinds of political

roadblocks, pharmacutical companies so on and so on that keep doctors doing what

they do and not change for those reasons alone. Example: My family doctor is

quick to say, " I know this is a problemand it makes complete sence that exposure

found it mold test done on your living envirenment are makeing you ill. I just

don't have the knowledge on how to treat it "

I would also like to add that the doctors spoke of here are far from scams and

have credentials better than most doctors and peer reviewed documents and all

the evidence you need to show or test for why you are ill. Furthermore, why are

you so ill for so long. You are here asking questions. That tellls me you don't

have those answers. My first thought is man, you are getting scamed. I could

spend the time to give you the information you asked for but it seems to me

right off the bat you are oposed to the idea anyway. I am not saying it is wrong

to question things, you should. But I sence a attitude like most of us do when a

doctor knows nothing about this illness does. This tends to put us here or

anyone ill from a toxin illness on the deffensive. there are to many people here

that will go round and round with you if you are not even willing to concider

the idea and do some research yourself. If you did there would be no doubt just

as there is no doubt about other

illnesses that were once not known about that were later studied and found to

be real illnesses.

But again out of frustration with your blaintent comments and attitude in your

fist posts, I again ask that you then tell me why you are ill. If you have all

the answers as to why we are scamed and still ill then lend a helping hand. Tell

me why I am sick. Tell me why my brain is partly gone only after being exposed

to the toxins from mold. I sure would like these answers cause if I have wasted

all this time and money finding out and trying to heal then I would sure like to

know.

Educate us, otherwise why are you hear asking questions and not be willing to

hear the answers offered to you out of the kindness of others hearts. (hearts

that have been greatly affected by mold by the way)

Chris...

cbn97es <cbn97@...> wrote:

Excuse me but I don't understand what you mean. I have heard the

same in every different " controversial " disease I have investigated.

But I still don't see what benefit do normal doctors have by denying

its existance. What I clearly see is the benefit of all those

alternative doctors who live out of them.

I was asking for a medical test or diagnosis. Many people have lived

in this apartment for 30 years and nobody got ill but me. Besides I

remain ill if I live somewhere else. What I am asking is if there is

a test to see if you have mold disease and it goes with you wherever

you go, not these alternative scams from scam doctors and scam labs.

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > I am 42 years old and I am very ill. I have thought of

everything

> > and tried everything. Nobody knows exactly what I have so I'm

> > diagnosed with depression, anxiety, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome,

> > Fibromyalgia, Dysautonomia, etc.

> >

> > And I may agree with that but the question is that I also have

> awful

> > respiratory disease that doctors can't see or treat for over 15

> > years. My nose, sinuses and lungs burn and hurt 24 hours a day

and

> > nothing helps. I feel really sick from it to the point that

> disables

> > me more than the rest of diagnosis or illneses.

> >

> > I have always lived in an old big and dark apartment which

smells

> > like old, dusty and even moldy, has lots of carpets, wall paper,

> > wooden floor with lots of holes between the woods, it has lots

of

> > old books old furniture and some rooms have this old

> > style " Luxurious " clothe in the walls instead of paint or paper.

> >

> > So, the house could be having mold but I don't see it. My nose

and

> > sinuses and lungs are so damaged that I can't smell but people

say

> > it smells like old and a bit damp. As I said it is very dark,

never

> > sees the light in most of it.

> >

> > As I said before, I have visited a thousand respiratory

> specialists,

> > nose, ear and thorat specialists, allergy doctors, internists,

> > neurologists... they diagnose: " hypersensitivity and

> > hyperreactivity " or " vasomotor " rhinitis, but not allergy or

> > infection or anything. I can't have that because my lungs and

> > sinuses are awfully ill with non stop mucus, phlegms, dryness

and

> > pain like hell.

> >

> > So, my desperate question is, how can I know if I am sick

because

> of

> > mold or something like that.

> >

> > Thank you very much in advance

> >

> >

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

> CBN:

>

> Hey Dude, there's no good answer to your question, and I guarantee

every one of us on this site has had the SAME question, why the heck

can't ask a reg'lar physician to recognize our symptoms and

ailments... am gonna tell you there is no rational explanation.

Honestly, don't waste your time looking for one if you want to stay

sane...

>

> Save yourself time and frustration and see the folks who know how

to diagnose and what to do about it so you can begin healing.

Sometimes you can get your doctor at home to take instruction to

someone with experience with what we're working with.

>

> I didn't at all get the sense that you were denegrating the

doctors mentioned as I see another did. My sense is that like most

of us here, you've been using what scientific skills we non-

scientists have to deduce what's wrong with us because we have

bizarre symptoms that most doctors glaze over about when we describe

them. And it doesn't make sense that there is so little accepted

information for symptoms that are really, really real.

>

> Congratulations - you've joined the club! Dunno if you've got

what we've got, but you've been run through the same ringer! ;-)

>

> ~Haley

Thank you. That is a good answer. So, nobody knows but some people

get better by working on the mold thing, right? Still, how do you

know then that mold is your problem?

What is your personal opinion about this Dr.Shoemaker's online test?

I have read so many messages saying it's scam that it's hard to

believe. In general when it's one isolated doctor against the whole

world with a miracle treatment of his invention, then usually 2+2=4

and it's scam.

I thought that this forum was about something merely scientific as

mold and its normal treatments but at the end in these forums

every disease group rounds around alternative therapies, miracle

products, disbelieved genius doctors and all the classic stuff.

[Guest guest]

CBN, hey,I'm not a very trusting person myself at this point but you

might want to stop and consider that KC, sho's wife is veru ill from

a sick building and is very protective about scammers,ect. and I been

here long enough to know theres been a few, than maybe you will

realize it's not the thing to do to just come in here and run down

the few doctors that are trying to help us. we are in a war to get

this illness reconized, it's not like we have nothing better to do

dude, everything I once enjoyed has been stolen because of this

stupied disease.I can vouch for being really angry about the lack of

help from doctors, some that I'm sure had a good Idea, others maybe

not, but gee when they can't say the word fungal infection,something

that is in all medical books, when they raise their voice at you

because you dare to say you disagree with their diagnoses, it becomes

clear that they may have a conflict of interest and there could be a

few of those.it might be of interest to you that I haven't been to

eother of these doctors yet. and I really think you should read the

archives for the last few months before makeing such a judgement

about this group or the owner.

I'm pretty ill myself, I tottally understand your angry but I think

you judge to quickly. this is a sick building support group. if you

look through the archives you well see that everyone who comes here

is looking for a doctor that will help them. you'll see that theres

other doctors names posted as people find ones that know enough and

care enough to try to help us.

I know it's hard when your very ill and disperate for relief but

getting rude to a bunch of people who are in the same boat isn't

going to go over very well. there are molds that do well in colder

weather and humidity. some of the organ damage we suffer makes cold

and heat hard for us.

> > >

> > > Hello,

> > >

> > > I am 42 years old and I am very ill. I have thought of

> everything

> > > and tried everything. Nobody knows exactly what I have so I'm

> > > diagnosed with depression, anxiety, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome,

> > > Fibromyalgia, Dysautonomia, etc.

> > >

> > > And I may agree with that but the question is that I also have

> > awful

> > > respiratory disease that doctors can't see or treat for over

15

> > > years. My nose, sinuses and lungs burn and hurt 24 hours a day

> and

> > > nothing helps. I feel really sick from it to the point that

> > disables

> > > me more than the rest of diagnosis or illneses.

> > >

> > > I have always lived in an old big and dark apartment which

> smells

> > > like old, dusty and even moldy, has lots of carpets, wall

paper,

> > > wooden floor with lots of holes between the woods, it has lots

> of

> > > old books old furniture and some rooms have this old

> > > style " Luxurious " clothe in the walls instead of paint or

paper.

> > >

> > > So, the house could be having mold but I don't see it. My nose

> and

> > > sinuses and lungs are so damaged that I can't smell but people

> say

> > > it smells like old and a bit damp. As I said it is very dark,

> never

> > > sees the light in most of it.

> > >

> > > As I said before, I have visited a thousand respiratory

> > specialists,

> > > nose, ear and thorat specialists, allergy doctors, internists,

> > > neurologists... they diagnose: " hypersensitivity and

> > > hyperreactivity " or " vasomotor " rhinitis, but not allergy or

> > > infection or anything. I can't have that because my lungs and

> > > sinuses are awfully ill with non stop mucus, phlegms, dryness

> and

> > > pain like hell.

> > >

> > > So, my desperate question is, how can I know if I am sick

> because

> > of

> > > mold or something like that.

> > >

> > > Thank you very much in advance

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

First let me start off by saying that I'm sorry that you are ill and

hopefully you will find the answers to your questions. But with that

said I need to set the record straight on some issues. does

not allow any charging for the groups here. KC has no financial

interest, as a matter of fact in the 11 years he has dealt with

this issue he (we) have used our own monies, time and resources to

help others. NEVER has he asked a " moldie " for compensation. The

running of this board is 24/7, not to mention the numerous calls and

emails from " moldies " which by this time have run well into the

thousands.

As far as Dr.Shoemaker, Dr.Gray, etc. NONE of them claim to have the

silver bullet in treatment. Each one has their own protocol and

treatment. Many patients, and a number of them are on here, have

gotten better. But we all know that it is a very long road towards

getting a bit of our old selfs back.

Now concerning Dr.Shoemaker's online test I assume you are referring

to the VCS test. This is not of just of his making, as a matter of

fact it isn't even a new form of testing. The DOD (many branches of

the service) have been using this test for the past 40 years for any

type of chemical exposure. So I really wouldn't consider this an

alternative form of testing.

One big mistake that many " newbies " make (and we've all been there)

is that the assumption I'm out of the contaminated building I should

be well, why aren't I. Unless you receive the correct treatment,

don't take anymore hit (re-exposures) and there is no permenant

damage you will continue to stay ill. I've been out of the

contaminated building for 8 years now and still have problems,

mainly because my system became so poisoned and permanent damage was

done to all of my organs.

Hopefully this takes care of the situation,

Sharon C.

> > >

> > > Go see Dr. Richie Shoemaker or Dr. Gray for a diagnosis and

> > > treatment. You may see another " thousand " Dr's and sadly they

> will

> > > side with " The Lie " that the " Industry " so ademantly

protects.

> > Until

> > > all the Dr's realize that they've been duped and are being

> laughed

> > > at, that " Lie " will continue to protect the arrogant,

> egotistical,

> > > heartless uncompassionate, careless, reckless, powertrip-

money-

> > hungry-

> > > mongers, that they are!

> > > --- In , " cbn97es " <cbn97@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hello,

> > > >

> > > > I am 42 years old and I am very ill. I have thought of

> > everything

> > > > and tried everything. Nobody knows exactly what I have so

I'm

> > > > diagnosed with depression, anxiety, Chronic Fatigue

Syndrome,

> > > > Fibromyalgia, Dysautonomia, etc.

> > > >

> > > > And I may agree with that but the question is that I also

have

> > > awful

> > > > respiratory disease that doctors can't see or treat for

over

> 15

> > > > years. My nose, sinuses and lungs burn and hurt 24 hours a

day

> > and

> > > > nothing helps. I feel really sick from it to the point that

> > > disables

> > > > me more than the rest of diagnosis or illneses.

> > > >

> > > > I have always lived in an old big and dark apartment which

> > smells

> > > > like old, dusty and even moldy, has lots of carpets, wall

> paper,

> > > > wooden floor with lots of holes between the woods, it has

lots

> > of

> > > > old books old furniture and some rooms have this old

> > > > style " Luxurious " clothe in the walls instead of paint or

> paper.

> > > >

> > > > So, the house could be having mold but I don't see it. My

nose

> > and

> > > > sinuses and lungs are so damaged that I can't smell but

people

> > say

> > > > it smells like old and a bit damp. As I said it is very

dark,

> > never

> > > > sees the light in most of it.

> > > >

> > > > As I said before, I have visited a thousand respiratory

> > > specialists,

> > > > nose, ear and thorat specialists, allergy doctors,

internists,

> > > > neurologists... they diagnose: " hypersensitivity and

> > > > hyperreactivity " or " vasomotor " rhinitis, but not allergy

or

> > > > infection or anything. I can't have that because my lungs

and

> > > > sinuses are awfully ill with non stop mucus, phlegms,

dryness

> > and

> > > > pain like hell.

> > > >

> > > > So, my desperate question is, how can I know if I am sick

> > because

> > > of

> > > > mold or something like that.

> > > >

> > > > Thank you very much in advance

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thank you Sharon for your help. Very informative and fair. I remind

you, though, that it was this KC who spoke to me with bad manners.

FOr the rest, I still don't understand then how can you know that

yuou are ill because of that past exposure 8 years ago. In every

illness and forum seems to be the same, people seem to be sure of a

certain illness without a valid diagnosis and with common symtoms to

a million possible illnesses (always with the common feature of

anxiety and depression)

Thank you very much indeed again

> > > > >

> > > > > Hello,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am 42 years old and I am very ill. I have thought of

> > > everything

> > > > > and tried everything. Nobody knows exactly what I have so

> I'm

> > > > > diagnosed with depression, anxiety, Chronic Fatigue

> Syndrome,

> > > > > Fibromyalgia, Dysautonomia, etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > And I may agree with that but the question is that I also

> have

> > > > awful

> > > > > respiratory disease that doctors can't see or treat for

> over

> > 15

> > > > > years. My nose, sinuses and lungs burn and hurt 24 hours

a

> day

> > > and

> > > > > nothing helps. I feel really sick from it to the point

that

> > > > disables

> > > > > me more than the rest of diagnosis or illneses.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have always lived in an old big and dark apartment

which

> > > smells

> > > > > like old, dusty and even moldy, has lots of carpets, wall

> > paper,

> > > > > wooden floor with lots of holes between the woods, it has

> lots

> > > of

> > > > > old books old furniture and some rooms have this old

> > > > > style " Luxurious " clothe in the walls instead of paint or

> > paper.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, the house could be having mold but I don't see it. My

> nose

> > > and

> > > > > sinuses and lungs are so damaged that I can't smell but

> people

> > > say

> > > > > it smells like old and a bit damp. As I said it is very

> dark,

> > > never

> > > > > sees the light in most of it.

> > > > >

> > > > > As I said before, I have visited a thousand respiratory

> > > > specialists,

> > > > > nose, ear and thorat specialists, allergy doctors,

> internists,

> > > > > neurologists... they diagnose: " hypersensitivity and

> > > > > hyperreactivity " or " vasomotor " rhinitis, but not allergy

> or

> > > > > infection or anything. I can't have that because my lungs

> and

> > > > > sinuses are awfully ill with non stop mucus, phlegms,

> dryness

> > > and

> > > > > pain like hell.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, my desperate question is, how can I know if I am sick

> > > because

> > > > of

> > > > > mold or something like that.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you very much in advance

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

CBN, First, my opinion on the VCS test is that it is consistent with my

symptems. I don't claim to understand it exactly but in my experience it is a

valid earmark, as He would say. He does say there is a possability of false

negative results but no chance of a false possative based of the brains ability

to see contrast levels when exposed to toxins.

As far as the alternative crap at the end of emails and such. That is all put

there by , not the group or its moderator. That is the big corps

advertising to us as if there is not legitamate medical treatment for this type

of illness.

cbn97es <cbn97@...> wrote:

> CBN:

>

> Hey Dude, there's no good answer to your question, and I guarantee

every one of us on this site has had the SAME question, why the heck

can't ask a reg'lar physician to recognize our symptoms and

ailments... am gonna tell you there is no rational explanation.

Honestly, don't waste your time looking for one if you want to stay

sane...

>

> Save yourself time and frustration and see the folks who know how

to diagnose and what to do about it so you can begin healing.

Sometimes you can get your doctor at home to take instruction to

someone with experience with what we're working with.

>

> I didn't at all get the sense that you were denegrating the

doctors mentioned as I see another did. My sense is that like most

of us here, you've been using what scientific skills we non-

scientists have to deduce what's wrong with us because we have

bizarre symptoms that most doctors glaze over about when we describe

them. And it doesn't make sense that there is so little accepted

information for symptoms that are really, really real.

>

> Congratulations - you've joined the club! Dunno if you've got

what we've got, but you've been run through the same ringer! ;-)

>

> ~Haley

Thank you. That is a good answer. So, nobody knows but some people

get better by working on the mold thing, right? Still, how do you

know then that mold is your problem?

What is your personal opinion about this Dr.Shoemaker's online test?

I have read so many messages saying it's scam that it's hard to

believe. In general when it's one isolated doctor against the whole

world with a miracle treatment of his invention, then usually 2+2=4

and it's scam.

I thought that this forum was about something merely scientific as

mold and its normal treatments but at the end in these forums

every disease group rounds around alternative therapies, miracle

products, disbelieved genius doctors and all the classic stuff.

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[Guest guest]

Thank you WHO for your reply.

Again, I wasn't rude at all, KC was the rude one.

Again, I wonder how you know for sure that your illness is due to

mold when there is no test. There is a million similar unrecognized

illnesses with the same symptoms where you always find a group of

people convinced that the illness exists and the doctors are an evil

mafia against them and are fighting against the world for its

recognition.

This looks the same as Candidiasis to me. There is no proof I

suspect.

> > >

> > > Go see Dr. Richie Shoemaker or Dr. Gray for a diagnosis and

> > > treatment. You may see another " thousand " Dr's and sadly they

> will

> > > side with " The Lie " that the " Industry " so ademantly

protects.

> > Until

> > > all the Dr's realize that they've been duped and are being

> laughed

> > > at, that " Lie " will continue to protect the arrogant,

> egotistical,

> > > heartless uncompassionate, careless, reckless, powertrip-

money-

> > hungry-

> > > mongers, that they are!

> > > --- In , " cbn97es " <cbn97@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hello,

> > > >

> > > > I am 42 years old and I am very ill. I have thought of

> > everything

> > > > and tried everything. Nobody knows exactly what I have so

I'm

> > > > diagnosed with depression, anxiety, Chronic Fatigue

Syndrome,

> > > > Fibromyalgia, Dysautonomia, etc.

> > > >

> > > > And I may agree with that but the question is that I also

have

> > > awful

> > > > respiratory disease that doctors can't see or treat for

over

> 15

> > > > years. My nose, sinuses and lungs burn and hurt 24 hours a

day

> > and

> > > > nothing helps. I feel really sick from it to the point that

> > > disables

> > > > me more than the rest of diagnosis or illneses.

> > > >

> > > > I have always lived in an old big and dark apartment which

> > smells

> > > > like old, dusty and even moldy, has lots of carpets, wall

> paper,

> > > > wooden floor with lots of holes between the woods, it has

lots

> > of

> > > > old books old furniture and some rooms have this old

> > > > style " Luxurious " clothe in the walls instead of paint or

> paper.

> > > >

> > > > So, the house could be having mold but I don't see it. My

nose

> > and

> > > > sinuses and lungs are so damaged that I can't smell but

people

> > say

> > > > it smells like old and a bit damp. As I said it is very

dark,

> > never

> > > > sees the light in most of it.

> > > >

> > > > As I said before, I have visited a thousand respiratory

> > > specialists,

> > > > nose, ear and thorat specialists, allergy doctors,

internists,

> > > > neurologists... they diagnose: " hypersensitivity and

> > > > hyperreactivity " or " vasomotor " rhinitis, but not allergy

or

> > > > infection or anything. I can't have that because my lungs

and

> > > > sinuses are awfully ill with non stop mucus, phlegms,

dryness

> > and

> > > > pain like hell.

> > > >

> > > > So, my desperate question is, how can I know if I am sick

> > because

> > > of

> > > > mold or something like that.

> > > >

> > > > Thank you very much in advance

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

,

We know this becaue my wife has seen 5 different doctors who

specialize in environmental diseases, have had the correct labwork

done, have had labwork done checking her levels prior to a re-

exposure and just after and there is a direct connection to the

elevations. She was exposed to high levels of mold and extremely

high levels of bacteria. Her system is now hypersensitive to

environmental toxins, whether they be manmade or natural. Most of

the people on this board did not jump at the conclusion that

mold/mycotoxins made them ill, there were probably many years and

many doctors, tests, etc., to rule out other disorders/diseases.

Unfortunately this also leads to alot of deadends, financial

disaster and emotional distress. Also, why on earth would any of us

want to be connected to a condition that is " downplayed " by so many

in the medical community. It's much easier to just go along with the

symptoms than the actual cause.

Through many years of researching her condition and her multiple

symptoms it always seemed to come back to Sick Building Syndrome and

mold exposure. Then speaking to many of the top professionals and

physicians across the country many of the symptoms they spoke of

matched her to a tee. No other disease, illness, exposure has even

come close. To prove it to myself we ruled out everything else and

when you standard bloodwork keeps returning with a negative results

is a good sign that other biological/microbial components are

involved. Environmental testing by a toxicologist was a great

benefit in our situation.

KC

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hello,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am 42 years old and I am very ill. I have thought of

> > > > everything

> > > > > > and tried everything. Nobody knows exactly what I have

so

> > I'm

> > > > > > diagnosed with depression, anxiety, Chronic Fatigue

> > Syndrome,

> > > > > > Fibromyalgia, Dysautonomia, etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And I may agree with that but the question is that I

also

> > have

> > > > > awful

> > > > > > respiratory disease that doctors can't see or treat for

> > over

> > > 15

> > > > > > years. My nose, sinuses and lungs burn and hurt 24

hours

> a

> > day

> > > > and

> > > > > > nothing helps. I feel really sick from it to the point

> that

> > > > > disables

> > > > > > me more than the rest of diagnosis or illneses.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have always lived in an old big and dark apartment

> which

> > > > smells

> > > > > > like old, dusty and even moldy, has lots of carpets,

wall

> > > paper,

> > > > > > wooden floor with lots of holes between the woods, it

has

> > lots

> > > > of

> > > > > > old books old furniture and some rooms have this old

> > > > > > style " Luxurious " clothe in the walls instead of paint

or

> > > paper.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, the house could be having mold but I don't see it.

My

> > nose

> > > > and

> > > > > > sinuses and lungs are so damaged that I can't smell but

> > people

> > > > say

> > > > > > it smells like old and a bit damp. As I said it is very

> > dark,

> > > > never

> > > > > > sees the light in most of it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As I said before, I have visited a thousand respiratory

> > > > > specialists,

> > > > > > nose, ear and thorat specialists, allergy doctors,

> > internists,

> > > > > > neurologists... they diagnose: " hypersensitivity and

> > > > > > hyperreactivity " or " vasomotor " rhinitis, but not

allergy

> > or

> > > > > > infection or anything. I can't have that because my

lungs

> > and

> > > > > > sinuses are awfully ill with non stop mucus, phlegms,

> > dryness

> > > > and

> > > > > > pain like hell.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, my desperate question is, how can I know if I am

sick

> > > > because

> > > > > of

> > > > > > mold or something like that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you very much in advance

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Again, I wonder how you know for sure that your illness is due to

> mold when there is no test. well, if it's in a house and you leave

and fell better gone than those symptoms come back when you come back.

when after your out and practice advoidence for a while than get a

wuff of it and it brings back all the symptoms.

but this becomes more obvious at high dose exposures that basicly run

you out of a place and I gather from what little you said that you

syffer from a long term exposure at a lower dose. maybe not even a

noticable problem, maybe from books brought in that were already

contaminated. does is smell real earthy in there? more like dirt but

after a while started causeing sinus infections? did you have bad

taste in your mouth? fell dirty, hair fell dirty faster than normal?

what were your first symptoms? back pain? dierrhia?

I suffered from long term low exposure for many years, it was

misserable, than it got toped off with a short term high exposure

that about killed me. have you had allergy testing done for molds? at

low dose exposures you may not get allergies.just wondering if youve

had that testing.

and I have to tell you that if it wasn't for the high dise exposure I

may have never known what was makeing me ill.

theres plenty of testing that can be done. blood can be tested for

mycotoxin antigens. IgE,IgA,IgG,IgM for molds.

got to break. hang in, your questions cant all be answered at once.

There is a million similar unrecognized

> illnesses with the same symptoms where you always find a group of

> people convinced that the illness exists and the doctors are an

evil

> mafia against them and are fighting against the world for its

> recognition.

>

> This looks the same as Candidiasis to me. There is no proof I

> suspect.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > > > >

> > > > > Hello,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am 42 years old and I am very ill. I have thought of

> > > everything

> > > > > and tried everything. Nobody knows exactly what I have so

> I'm

> > > > > diagnosed with depression, anxiety, Chronic Fatigue

> Syndrome,

> > > > > Fibromyalgia, Dysautonomia, etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > And I may agree with that but the question is that I also

> have

> > > > awful

> > > > > respiratory disease that doctors can't see or treat for

> over

> > 15

> > > > > years. My nose, sinuses and lungs burn and hurt 24 hours a

> day

> > > and

> > > > > nothing helps. I feel really sick from it to the point

that

> > > > disables

> > > > > me more than the rest of diagnosis or illneses.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have always lived in an old big and dark apartment which

> > > smells

> > > > > like old, dusty and even moldy, has lots of carpets, wall

> > paper,

> > > > > wooden floor with lots of holes between the woods, it has

> lots

> > > of

> > > > > old books old furniture and some rooms have this old

> > > > > style " Luxurious " clothe in the walls instead of paint or

> > paper.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, the house could be having mold but I don't see it. My

> nose

> > > and

> > > > > sinuses and lungs are so damaged that I can't smell but

> people

> > > say

> > > > > it smells like old and a bit damp. As I said it is very

> dark,

> > > never

> > > > > sees the light in most of it.

> > > > >

> > > > > As I said before, I have visited a thousand respiratory

> > > > specialists,

> > > > > nose, ear and thorat specialists, allergy doctors,

> internists,

> > > > > neurologists... they diagnose: " hypersensitivity and

> > > > > hyperreactivity " or " vasomotor " rhinitis, but not allergy

> or

> > > > > infection or anything. I can't have that because my lungs

> and

> > > > > sinuses are awfully ill with non stop mucus, phlegms,

> dryness

> > > and

> > > > > pain like hell.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, my desperate question is, how can I know if I am sick

> > > because

> > > > of

> > > > > mold or something like that.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you very much in advance

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Most of us that have all of these symptoms, recognize the fact that

Mold is what we all have in common and can pin-point the time Mold of

exposure(s). Most ALL Dr's only recognize Viral or Bacterial

infections and will only go so far, just enough to recognize fungal

nail problems. They don't have time nor money to waste on something

that may take them out of their rhelm. Mold " causes " anxiety, so then

here take some pills! Mold " causes " joint pain, so then here take

some of these pills. You say you have acid reflux? here take more

pills! OOps migraines... must be that darn sinus infection...AGAIN...

sneezing and coughing and then choking? Darn Allergies... Teachers

head feels like it's going to explode..ohmy... allergy meds to the

rescue! But all of these can't possibly be related...nahhh The

twitching and the tremors? those are just things some people get. A

simple sneeze..oh maybe it's my IMMUNE SYSTEM trying to ward off

whatever jumped up into my brain...funny I didn't feel it hit my

brain..How many sneezes does it take to DAMAGE the IMMUNE SYSTEM?

could it be that simple? You were just at the wrong place at the

wrong time when that SPORE decided to fly up your nose! So to answer

your Question New Here. Could you have mold problems. The answer is

YES

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hello,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am 42 years old and I am very ill. I have thought of

> > > > everything

> > > > > > and tried everything. Nobody knows exactly what I have

so

> > I'm

> > > > > > diagnosed with depression, anxiety, Chronic Fatigue

> > Syndrome,

> > > > > > Fibromyalgia, Dysautonomia, etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And I may agree with that but the question is that I

also

> > have

> > > > > awful

> > > > > > respiratory disease that doctors can't see or treat for

> > over

> > > 15

> > > > > > years. My nose, sinuses and lungs burn and hurt 24 hours

> a

> > day

> > > > and

> > > > > > nothing helps. I feel really sick from it to the point

> that

> > > > > disables

> > > > > > me more than the rest of diagnosis or illneses.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have always lived in an old big and dark apartment

> which

> > > > smells

> > > > > > like old, dusty and even moldy, has lots of carpets,

wall

> > > paper,

> > > > > > wooden floor with lots of holes between the woods, it

has

> > lots

> > > > of

> > > > > > old books old furniture and some rooms have this old

> > > > > > style " Luxurious " clothe in the walls instead of paint

or

> > > paper.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, the house could be having mold but I don't see it.

My

> > nose

> > > > and

> > > > > > sinuses and lungs are so damaged that I can't smell but

> > people

> > > > say

> > > > > > it smells like old and a bit damp. As I said it is very

> > dark,

> > > > never

> > > > > > sees the light in most of it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As I said before, I have visited a thousand respiratory

> > > > > specialists,

> > > > > > nose, ear and thorat specialists, allergy doctors,

> > internists,

> > > > > > neurologists... they diagnose: " hypersensitivity and

> > > > > > hyperreactivity " or " vasomotor " rhinitis, but not

allergy

> > or

> > > > > > infection or anything. I can't have that because my

lungs

> > and

> > > > > > sinuses are awfully ill with non stop mucus, phlegms,

> > dryness

> > > > and

> > > > > > pain like hell.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, my desperate question is, how can I know if I am

sick

> > > > because

> > > > > of

> > > > > > mold or something like that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you very much in advance

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >