Guest guest Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 KC, I just skimmed over this article. Unless I am not seeing it, does this have anything to do with mold exposure, and do you know anyone that has this type of rash. Could be my brain fog missing the data if related to mold. Darlene tigerpaw2c <tigerpaw2c@...> wrote: What's your diagnosis? There are so many diseases/symptoms that seem to overlap and I can understand why it could be so difficult for a proper diagnosis. The pictures of these rashes, I must say, look awfully familiar to me, how about you? Just food for thought.... You may have to register to get the photos or read the full case report. http://www.idinchildren.com/200802/wyd.asp --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Darlene, Many have suffered from rashes, with burns,scars or white spots left behind. Many times these articles speak of infection or virus and give it some fancy name, where in reality to me it's fungus related. Sharon had the rashes and the swelling that is also mentioned in the article along with her C-reactive protein being off. With this article there are several good photos. Article below: KC February 2008 H. Brien H. Brien, DO, Pediatric Infectious Disease, and White's Children's Health Center and Associate Professor of Pediatrics, Texas A & M University, College of Medicine, Temple, Texas. e-mail: jhbrien@... Because of concern for acute rheumatic fever, a 7-year-old boy was sent for admission to the hospital with a recent history of streptococcal pharyngitis, followed by arthritis and rash. The history of this illness began about 10 days earlier with a sore throat and upper respiratory congestion. His rapid strep test was positive, so he was treated with amoxicillin. However, his fever persisted with the development of a rash on his lower extremities the next day, followed by pain and swelling of his ankles, knees and wrists the day after. The antibiotic was empirically changed to a first-generation cephalosporin without benefit. His past medical history was normal. His vaccinations were up to date, and there had been no travel, camping, tick bites or other insect bites. He does live in a wooded area with deer, but his only direct animal exposure is to the family dog. Examination revealed normal vital signs and a rash consisting of petechiae and nonblanching red bumps on his lower extremities and buttocks, as shown in Figures 1 through 4. He also had painful swelling of the joints of his right hand, knees and elbows, with decreased range of motion testing but no erythema over the joints (Figures 5 and 6). The rest of his examination, including his throat, was normal. Lab tests included a complete blood count that was normal, including the platelet count, but he had mild elevation of the C-reactive protein. What is the most likely cause of this diagnosis? Henoch-Schönlein purpura Juvenile idiopathic arthritis Rheumatic fever Streptococcal scarlet fever Answer The answer is A. Henoch-Schönlein purpura. Although first recognized as a distinct syndrome by the British physician Heberden (1710-1801) in the 18th century, it was the German physician Johann Schönlein (1793-1864) who first described the characteristic rash. Later, the German pediatrician Edouard Heinrich Henoch (1820-1910) described the gastrointestinal and renal manifestations of the disease during the 19th century. Henoch-Schönlein purpura is an immunoglobulin A-mediated autoimmune small-vessel vasculitis that is most common in children aged between 2 and 8 years, with boys being affected about twice as often as girls. Some infectious triggers have been identified, such as group A streptococcus (as in the patient above), mycoplasma and viruses of the respiratory tract. However, many cases have no identifiable trigger. All Henoch-Schönlein purpura patients have the rash, which can be a mix of petechiae, purpuric and maculopapular lesions. The distribution of the rash tends to be in gravity-dependent areas, such as the legs and buttocks. Over time, the color of the lesions becomes darker, changing to a rusty, brownish color, as shown in Figure 7. Arthritis is found in about 75% of patients and gastrointestinal pain in about 50%. Renal involvement is seen in about 30% to 40% but can be a serious complication with the possibility of progression to renal failure. A rare but potentially life-threatening complication is involvement of the central nervous system. Diagnosis is made by recognition of the rash with one or more of the associated findings, which may not appear at the same time. There is no specific treatment, but antiinflammatory agents may help, or possibly steroids for those with severe CNS involvement. The most important diagnostic decision is to differentiate Henoch- Schönlein purpura from meningococcemia (Figures 8 and 9), which is why most patients are initially admitted to the hospital. There can be enough overlap that some patients are treated empirically with antibiotics until the diagnosis is clear, and that may take a day under observation. However, most patients with meningococcemia are clinically much sicker than these Henoch-Schönlein purpura patients, and it does not take long to sort them out. We know the patient had streptococcal pharyngitis; however, there was no other evidence of scarlet fever. The usual scarlatiniform rash is a fine, papular rash on a diffuse erythematous base, as shown in Figure 10. which depicts a patient with multiple infected insect bites with group A strep and a scarletiniform rash. The erythema is accentuated by the " thumb print " on his back, like a capillary refill test. This is easy to distinguish from a petechial or purpuric rash. Other associated findings of scarlet fever include circumoral pallor, Pastia's lines and a " strawberry " tongue, which this patient did not have. The other streptococcal-related disease listed among the choices was rheumatic fever, which is the real reason the primary provider wanted the patient admitted. However, when the criteria are considered, the joint complaints and elevated C-reactive protein were the only minor criteria; there were no major criteria. This, coupled with the rarity of rheumatic fever, makes this diagnosis very unlikely. However, an electrocardiogram was done and was normal. The rash of rheumatic fever is referred to as erythema marginatum and is virtually pathognomonic of rheumatic fever. I do not have any pictures of erythema marginatum, but you can probably find them on the internet. Lastly, although juvenile idiopathic arthritis can have unusual rashes, it cannot be diagnosed this early in the course of a febrile illness. Normally, the diagnosis is not made until there have been symptoms present for four to six weeks and no other explanation for the illness. What's your diagnosis? There are so many diseases/symptoms that seem > to overlap and I can understand why it could be so difficult for a > proper diagnosis. The pictures of these rashes, I must say, look > awfully familiar to me, how about you? Just food for thought.... > You may have to register to get the photos or read the full case > report. > > http://www.idinchildren.com/200802/wyd.asp > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 KC, I know about rashes and burns, I have had rashes. I have also read where many victims from mold exposure have had rashes, etc. I just didn't know if there was a direct correlation to this type of rash with mold exposure. Darlene tigerpaw2c <tigerpaw2c@...> wrote: Darlene, Many have suffered from rashes, with burns,scars or white spots left behind. Many times these articles speak of infection or virus and give it some fancy name, where in reality to me it's fungus related. Sharon had the rashes and the swelling that is also mentioned in the article along with her C-reactive protein being off. With this article there are several good photos. Article below: KC February 2008 H. Brien H. Brien, DO, Pediatric Infectious Disease, and White's Children's Health Center and Associate Professor of Pediatrics, Texas A & M University, College of Medicine, Temple, Texas. e-mail: jhbrien@... Because of concern for acute rheumatic fever, a 7-year-old boy was sent for admission to the hospital with a recent history of streptococcal pharyngitis, followed by arthritis and rash. The history of this illness began about 10 days earlier with a sore throat and upper respiratory congestion. His rapid strep test was positive, so he was treated with amoxicillin. However, his fever persisted with the development of a rash on his lower extremities the next day, followed by pain and swelling of his ankles, knees and wrists the day after. The antibiotic was empirically changed to a first-generation cephalosporin without benefit. His past medical history was normal. His vaccinations were up to date, and there had been no travel, camping, tick bites or other insect bites. He does live in a wooded area with deer, but his only direct animal exposure is to the family dog. Examination revealed normal vital signs and a rash consisting of petechiae and nonblanching red bumps on his lower extremities and buttocks, as shown in Figures 1 through 4. He also had painful swelling of the joints of his right hand, knees and elbows, with decreased range of motion testing but no erythema over the joints (Figures 5 and 6). The rest of his examination, including his throat, was normal. Lab tests included a complete blood count that was normal, including the platelet count, but he had mild elevation of the C-reactive protein. What is the most likely cause of this diagnosis? Henoch-Schönlein purpura Juvenile idiopathic arthritis Rheumatic fever Streptococcal scarlet fever Answer The answer is A. Henoch-Schönlein purpura. Although first recognized as a distinct syndrome by the British physician Heberden (1710-1801) in the 18th century, it was the German physician Johann Schönlein (1793-1864) who first described the characteristic rash. Later, the German pediatrician Edouard Heinrich Henoch (1820-1910) described the gastrointestinal and renal manifestations of the disease during the 19th century. Henoch-Schönlein purpura is an immunoglobulin A-mediated autoimmune small-vessel vasculitis that is most common in children aged between 2 and 8 years, with boys being affected about twice as often as girls. Some infectious triggers have been identified, such as group A streptococcus (as in the patient above), mycoplasma and viruses of the respiratory tract. However, many cases have no identifiable trigger. All Henoch-Schönlein purpura patients have the rash, which can be a mix of petechiae, purpuric and maculopapular lesions. The distribution of the rash tends to be in gravity-dependent areas, such as the legs and buttocks. Over time, the color of the lesions becomes darker, changing to a rusty, brownish color, as shown in Figure 7. Arthritis is found in about 75% of patients and gastrointestinal pain in about 50%. Renal involvement is seen in about 30% to 40% but can be a serious complication with the possibility of progression to renal failure. A rare but potentially life-threatening complication is involvement of the central nervous system. Diagnosis is made by recognition of the rash with one or more of the associated findings, which may not appear at the same time. There is no specific treatment, but antiinflammatory agents may help, or possibly steroids for those with severe CNS involvement. The most important diagnostic decision is to differentiate Henoch- Schönlein purpura from meningococcemia (Figures 8 and 9), which is why most patients are initially admitted to the hospital. There can be enough overlap that some patients are treated empirically with antibiotics until the diagnosis is clear, and that may take a day under observation. However, most patients with meningococcemia are clinically much sicker than these Henoch-Schönlein purpura patients, and it does not take long to sort them out. We know the patient had streptococcal pharyngitis; however, there was no other evidence of scarlet fever. The usual scarlatiniform rash is a fine, papular rash on a diffuse erythematous base, as shown in Figure 10. which depicts a patient with multiple infected insect bites with group A strep and a scarletiniform rash. The erythema is accentuated by the " thumb print " on his back, like a capillary refill test. This is easy to distinguish from a petechial or purpuric rash. Other associated findings of scarlet fever include circumoral pallor, Pastia's lines and a " strawberry " tongue, which this patient did not have. The other streptococcal-related disease listed among the choices was rheumatic fever, which is the real reason the primary provider wanted the patient admitted. However, when the criteria are considered, the joint complaints and elevated C-reactive protein were the only minor criteria; there were no major criteria. This, coupled with the rarity of rheumatic fever, makes this diagnosis very unlikely. However, an electrocardiogram was done and was normal. The rash of rheumatic fever is referred to as erythema marginatum and is virtually pathognomonic of rheumatic fever. I do not have any pictures of erythema marginatum, but you can probably find them on the internet. Lastly, although juvenile idiopathic arthritis can have unusual rashes, it cannot be diagnosed this early in the course of a febrile illness. Normally, the diagnosis is not made until there have been symptoms present for four to six weeks and no other explanation for the illness. What's your diagnosis? There are so many diseases/symptoms that seem > to overlap and I can understand why it could be so difficult for a > proper diagnosis. The pictures of these rashes, I must say, look > awfully familiar to me, how about you? Just food for thought.... > You may have to register to get the photos or read the full case > report. > > http://www.idinchildren.com/200802/wyd.asp > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 I cant see the rash in these pictures but I had rashes at both homes, while exposed. the first one was more tied in with reaccuring yeast infections you know where,ouch. had obe strange blister type sore with clear fuild in it and it left a scar with the skin around it looking weird. but the second house had bad rash,face,arms,hands,stomach,legs, during that worst part of exoisure when I had closed window and turned on ac. sick city. it went away after I got out. I now have some really dry skin on the back of my ankles, and some kind of dermatitis,rash thing that comes and goes mostly with infection,heat on my upperback and back of head,that rarely is noticeable when I have someone look cause it itches, sometimes burns. but no skin sores or anything like that. I have read that with africain americans, with their shin pigmentation(sorry, cant spell) that they may have more skin involvement like sores, with sarcoidosis anyway. --- In , " tigerpaw2c " <tigerpaw2c@...> wrote: > > Darlene, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 our we talking about two different things here or is it just me.lol's I seen the beehinny so ,well you know, thats what I get for not reading the posts. > > > > Darlene, > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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