Guest guest Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 Well said Bharat,I am a great admirer of your style of writing by the way ! But here's an observation from one who has (like many on this forum) worked and taught in the Medical field at the University level,who is working in the Corporate world and also taking care of the common man as a full time physician. I have closely observed and participated in the system in South Africa a country which is the most advanced in the whole continent of Africa and the USA, which is the fountainhead of the Capitalistic world. There is not much difference in the instincts of mankind to make a fast buck or grab an opportunity, mostly by crossing the line between fair and unfair,legal and illegal, Truth and Falsehood. It may be as blatant in the Africa's where doctors would take a premature retirement today,collect their post retirement benefits including air passage for family and household goods to their countries of origin and not even leave the country and start at a new post in the same system with in a month.... to the very subtle nuances of the first world, the so called white collared crimes and more....where the system is finally going broke or close to being broke becoz of the corruption which leads to wrong decision making in high places  because of the monetary or other influences of think tanks,lobbies etc . To face reality and have a reality check for once is good. But.....will many from the physician community who have come out in support of the views of Amir Khan and those supporting in the last year or so( God Bless him)... start by paying all their taxes by declaring their real incomes, stop paying kickbacks or accepting kickbacks in the corporate world, stop doing real estate transactions by paying 30 percent in white and seventy percent in Black ....and the ones in the teaching world ...stop using their influence to get their own children to bypass the less influential and more deserving students into medical schools etc etc....if so..... then such exercises would be revolutionary otherwise quoting myself from a poem I wrote in Medical school  " I gape O death, at this strange weird world!Where corruption rules where corruption devours where people work in zeal and fervor to make this world more corrupt!! Where ego is so high and conscience is so low How potent is this world!! It hits you hard when you are alone. But O Death How naive I am! am I also not part of this world? So take me O death From this tortuous world for the allure of it alludes me. And then Suddenly------------- the dream breaks I wake and I sweat at the thought of you-O death!! Finally.... "  Quoting my father in law...this is all " BAAT CHEET " or like my sister's husband  a physician in New Delhi who says ....This is " Time pass " ...But even then for some determined folks ....This is " Lage Raho Munna Bhai " !!!! ________________________________ From:Bharat Sharma To:mgims <mgims > Sent:Saturday, June 9, 2012 3:40 AM Subject: Oversensitive Doctors  The IMA and sundry medical associations have demanded an apology from Amir Khan for the programme he did on doctors. Doctors in whole of India have been feeling hurt individually too. It is pure nonsense. There are two points worth considering. First, a difference of opinion is a sign of wisdom. To be slightly cynical, I would like to tell you that opinion is like an a*****: everybody has got one. Therefore, Amir Khan cannot be faulted for having an opinion. Secondly, do we know the truth about ourselves (let alone accepting it)? I have my reservations for the character of a profession if it feels threatened by a mere actor. We are a nation with suspect integrity. Similarly, the medical profession has its flaws. This should  not surprise anybody because we too are Indians and we share the cardinal Indian traits with our countrymen. We are a country where (choronka) Raja is welcome when he is released from jail as if he is the first man to have landed on Mars; where the CVC (who is there to stop corruption) had to be removed because he himself was corrupt; and where the President was associated with a corrupt cooperative society and whose son was caught with unaccounted for cash in his car. It is no wonder that the Chief of MCI was corrupt enough to amass a considerable fortune. A doctor doing this is certainly shameful, but not entirely shocking. Coming to the specifics of the issue, we should have self-awareness and maturity to know  what afflicts the medical profession. Dr Nagral has been very thoughtful in his discussion on our shortcomings. I have quite a few personal observations which  were utterly disturbing. To quote just one example, a surgeon used to remove the appendix routinely as if he were dealing with an epidemic of appendicitis. Despite the fact that we all spring from the same society with a blunted conscience, we have to respect the patient as a fellow human being; understand the psychological aspects of his illness; and be honest, considerate and cordial with him.  Who already follow the principles that guide medicine may find these words like a boring sermon. The reality still warrants an introspection. For man, life is a never-ending battle between conscience and convenience. Let us not permit the convenience to dominate our conscience. We are doctors! Bharat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 Nice poem there, Ashish. How old were you when you wrote it? Ravin '82 On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 7:32 AM, ashish sachdeva wrote: > ** > > > Well said Bharat,I am a great admirer of your style of writing by the way ! > But here's an observation from one who has (like many on this forum) > worked and taught in the Medical field at the University level,who is > working in the Corporate world and also taking care of the common man as a > full time physician. > I have closely observed and participated in the system in South Africa a > country which is the most advanced in the whole continent of Africa and the > USA, which is the fountainhead of the Capitalistic world. There is not much > difference in the instincts of mankind to make a fast buck or grab an > opportunity, mostly by crossing the line between fair and unfair,legal and > illegal, Truth and Falsehood. It may be as blatant in the Africa's where > doctors would take a premature retirement today,collect their post > retirement benefits including air passage for family and household goods to > their countries of origin and not even leave the country and start at a new > post in the same system with in a month.... to the very subtle nuances of > the first world, the so called white collared crimes and more....where the > system is finally going broke or close to being broke becoz of the > corruption which leads to wrong decision making in high places because of > the monetary > or other influences of think tanks,lobbies etc . To face reality and have > a reality check for once is good. > But.....will many from the physician community who have come out in > support of the views of Amir Khan and those supporting in the last > year or so( God Bless him)... start by paying all their taxes by declaring > their real incomes, stop paying kickbacks or accepting kickbacks in the > corporate world, stop doing real estate transactions by paying 30 percent > in white and seventy percent in Black ....and the ones in the teaching > world ...stop using their influence to get their own children to bypass the > less influential and more deserving students into medical schools etc > etc....if so..... then such exercises would be revolutionary otherwise > quoting myself from a poem I wrote in Medical school > " I gape O death, at this strange weird world!Where corruption rules > where corruption devours > where people work in zeal and fervor to make this world more corrupt!! > Where ego is so high > and conscience is so low > How potent is this world!! > It hits you hard when you are alone. > But O Death > How naive I am! > am I also not part of this world? > So take me O death > From this tortuous world > for the allure of it alludes me. > > And then Suddenly------------- > the dream breaks > > I wake and I sweat at the thought of you-O death!! > > Finally.... " Quoting my father in law...this is all " BAAT CHEET " or like > my sister's husband a physician in New Delhi who says ....This is " Time > pass " ...But even then for some determined folks ....This is " Lage Raho > Munna Bhai " !!!! > > ________________________________ > From:Bharat Sharma > To:mgims <mgims > > Sent:Saturday, June 9, 2012 3:40 AM > Subject: Oversensitive Doctors > > > > The IMA and sundry medical associations have demanded an apology from Amir > Khan for the programme he did on doctors. Doctors in whole of India have > been feeling hurt individually too. It is pure nonsense. There are two > points worth considering. First, a difference of opinion is a sign of > wisdom. To be slightly cynical, I would like to tell you that opinion is > like an a*****: everybody has got one. Therefore, Amir Khan cannot be > faulted for having an opinion. Secondly, do we know the truth about > ourselves (let alone accepting it)? I have my reservations for the > character of a profession if it feels threatened by a mere actor. > > We are a nation with suspect integrity. Similarly, the medical profession > has its flaws. This should not surprise anybody because we too are Indians > and we share the cardinal Indian traits with our countrymen. We are a > country where (choronka) Raja is welcome when he is released from jail as > if he is the first man to have landed on Mars; where the CVC (who is there > to stop corruption) had to be removed because he himself was corrupt; and > where the President was associated with a corrupt cooperative society and > whose son was caught with unaccounted for cash in his car. It is no wonder > that the Chief of MCI was corrupt enough to amass a considerable fortune. A > doctor doing this is certainly shameful, but not entirely shocking. > > Coming to the specifics of the issue, we should have self-awareness and > maturity to know what afflicts the medical profession. Dr Nagral has been > very thoughtful in his discussion on our shortcomings. I have quite a few > personal observations which were utterly disturbing. To quote just one > example, a surgeon used to remove the appendix routinely as if he were > dealing with an epidemic of appendicitis. Despite the fact that we all > spring from the same society with a blunted conscience, we have to respect > the patient as a fellow human being; understand the psychological aspects > of his illness; and be honest, considerate and cordial with him. Who > already follow the principles that guide medicine may find these words like > a boring sermon. The reality still warrants an introspection. > > For man, life is a never-ending battle between conscience and convenience. > Let us not permit the convenience to dominate our conscience. We are > doctors! > > Bharat > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 Very well said Dr. Ashish.......... regards aasawari91 Nice poem.......... ________________________________ To: " mgims " <mgims > Sent: Sunday, 10 June 2012 6:02 AM Subject: Re: Oversensitive Doctors  Well said Bharat,I am a great admirer of your style of writing by the way ! But here's an observation from one who has (like many on this forum) worked and taught in the Medical field at the University level,who is working in the Corporate world and also taking care of the common man as a full time physician. I have closely observed and participated in the system in South Africa a country which is the most advanced in the whole continent of Africa and the USA, which is the fountainhead of the Capitalistic world. There is not much difference in the instincts of mankind to make a fast buck or grab an opportunity, mostly by crossing the line between fair and unfair,legal and illegal, Truth and Falsehood. It may be as blatant in the Africa's where doctors would take a premature retirement today,collect their post retirement benefits including air passage for family and household goods to their countries of origin and not even leave the country and start at a new post in the same system with in a month.... to the very subtle nuances of the first world, the so called white collared crimes and more....where the system is finally going broke or close to being broke becoz of the corruption which leads to wrong decision making in high places  because of the monetary or other influences of think tanks,lobbies etc . To face reality and have a reality check for once is good. But.....will many from the physician community who have come out in support of the views of Amir Khan and those supporting in the last year or so( God Bless him)... start by paying all their taxes by declaring their real incomes, stop paying kickbacks or accepting kickbacks in the corporate world, stop doing real estate transactions by paying 30 percent in white and seventy percent in Black ....and the ones in the teaching world ...stop using their influence to get their own children to bypass the less influential and more deserving students into medical schools etc etc....if so..... then such exercises would be revolutionary otherwise quoting myself from a poem I wrote in Medical school  " I gape O death, at this strange weird world!Where corruption rules where corruption devours where people work in zeal and fervor to make this world more corrupt!! Where ego is so high and conscience is so low How potent is this world!! It hits you hard when you are alone. But O Death How naive I am! am I also not part of this world? So take me O death From this tortuous world for the allure of it alludes me. And then Suddenly------------- the dream breaks I wake and I sweat at the thought of you-O death!! Finally.... "  Quoting my father in law...this is all " BAAT CHEET " or like my sister's husband  a physician in New Delhi who says ....This is " Time pass " ...But even then for some determined folks ....This is " Lage Raho Munna Bhai " !!!! ________________________________ From:Bharat Sharma To:mgims <mgims > Sent:Saturday, June 9, 2012 3:40 AM Subject: Oversensitive Doctors  The IMA and sundry medical associations have demanded an apology from Amir Khan for the programme he did on doctors. Doctors in whole of India have been feeling hurt individually too. It is pure nonsense. There are two points worth considering. First, a difference of opinion is a sign of wisdom. To be slightly cynical, I would like to tell you that opinion is like an a*****: everybody has got one. Therefore, Amir Khan cannot be faulted for having an opinion. Secondly, do we know the truth about ourselves (let alone accepting it)? I have my reservations for the character of a profession if it feels threatened by a mere actor. We are a nation with suspect integrity. Similarly, the medical profession has its flaws. This should  not surprise anybody because we too are Indians and we share the cardinal Indian traits with our countrymen. We are a country where (choronka) Raja is welcome when he is released from jail as if he is the first man to have landed on Mars; where the CVC (who is there to stop corruption) had to be removed because he himself was corrupt; and where the President was associated with a corrupt cooperative society and whose son was caught with unaccounted for cash in his car. It is no wonder that the Chief of MCI was corrupt enough to amass a considerable fortune. A doctor doing this is certainly shameful, but not entirely shocking. Coming to the specifics of the issue, we should have self-awareness and maturity to know  what afflicts the medical profession. Dr Nagral has been very thoughtful in his discussion on our shortcomings. I have quite a few personal observations which  were utterly disturbing. To quote just one example, a surgeon used to remove the appendix routinely as if he were dealing with an epidemic of appendicitis. Despite the fact that we all spring from the same society with a blunted conscience, we have to respect the patient as a fellow human being; understand the psychological aspects of his illness; and be honest, considerate and cordial with him.  Who already follow the principles that guide medicine may find these words like a boring sermon. The reality still warrants an introspection. For man, life is a never-ending battle between conscience and convenience. Let us not permit the convenience to dominate our conscience. We are doctors! Bharat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 Dear Ashish, I wanted to write this piece in response to your earlier comments to my article on “I am against , I am against Corruption†‘Dear Parag, my only observation to this beautiful article written by you is as follows. Is any physician who is in favour of change in society ready to start paying upto 35-40 percent of their income in taxes? That is real change that is going to mean anything. When you have less of the parallel economy money in circulation the higher the threshold is to pass that hard earned money to someone!!! Any physician in private practice on this forum ready to pledge that? If so then that is what annagiri at this level is all about!!!’ But I could not develop sufficient courage then. Your recent comments reflecting the same thoughts......... ‘But.....will many from the physician community who have come out in support of the views of Amir Khan and those supporting in the last year or so( God Bless him)... start by paying all their taxes by declaring their real incomes, stop paying kickbacks or accepting kickbacks in the corporate world, stop doing real estate transactions by paying 30 percent in white and seventy percent in Black ....and the ones in the teaching world ...stop using their influence to get their own children to bypass the less influential and more deserving students into medical schools etc etc....if so..... Then such exercises would be revolutionary otherwise ‘ Encourage me to write my experience: “Thanks for your compliments about the article. Regarding taking a pledge on giri; I am no moral preacher to command for anything. If at all I can only recommend to my friends that they take some time out from their busy Medical practise / Patients and work for their own self. Inspired by books like ‘Rich Dad Poor Dad’, ( T. Kiyosaki, Warner books) and some others like ‘Think and grow rich’ by Napoleon Hill and may be some other thoughts and events, Ten years back, I did some introspection, some risk/reward; cost/benefit analysis. 1. Of the 100% that my patient pays for the surgery. 50% goes to the Nursing Home/ Anaesthetist / Pharmacy. 40% is CUT Of the remaining, whatever % (I am poor in Maths) 40% goes to Income Tax. If things go wrong I take 100% blame, If things go right I get less than 20% monetary benefit. What the F.... was I doing, But everybody is doing the same? “ Jo sab karte hai, kya who karna jaruri haiâ€, 2. I am a Medical professional, I am taught how to treat / operate patients. My education never taught me the Business of Medicine. A majority of the Doctors make serious legitimate / or otherwise , money by the business of medicine that is by running Nursing homes, managing staff, managing diagnostic centres etc. But they never took any official degree / education for the same. There are limits to earnings as an ethical medical professional. These earnings are augmented by the business of Medicine, for which a doctor never qualified. But if one wants to do business is it essential to do it with medicine? 3. From high school / junior college. The top cream went to become doctors. The second tier went to become Engineers. The third tier did B.Com / CA, now control the financial world and guide the Doctors where to invest their hard earned money. And the failures / drop out went on to become politician / Ministers and now control the ‘top tiers’ If the bottom tiers can learn to do Business cant the top tier relearn some finance? 4. In 2004 the then Finance Minister of India (PC) made an announcement in the Budget which made me determined to follow the path I intended to. If you practice medicine you take 100% risk and pay 40% Income tax. But if you make Long term capital gains, you do take risk but only with the money invested, and pay no taxes. And in case you make short term gains you pay only 15% tax. And if god forbid you make a financial loss, you can carry forward it to the next year and adjust with the gains made then. With these insights I took the following decisions and I am still practising them. 1. ‘ CUT’ the ’ CUT ‘ 2. Pay the Taxes, There is power in the ‘White ‘ 3. Few years down the line my CAPITAL should generate income equivalent to or more then my professional Income. ( Put your Money to work) The result. I am still practising Medicine / Surgery. My volume of patients has reduced to half. But my earnings are more or less the same!!!! Yes there is no growth in my professional earning. But I have lot of peace of mind. I have more time for my family and children (whether they appreciate the same or not is a different proposition!) I have more time to pursue other interests and hobbies (Squash / Gardening) More than that, I have time to apply my mind to the idea of making my money work for me. It is been eight years since ‘PC’ showed me the light and I have no regrets for the path I choose. Parag 1980 Oversensitive Doctors The IMA and sundry medical associations have demanded an apology from Amir Khan for the programme he did on doctors. Doctors in whole of India have been feeling hurt individually too. It is pure nonsense. There are two points worth considering. First, a difference of opinion is a sign of wisdom. To be slightly cynical, I would like to tell you that opinion is like an a*****: everybody has got one. Therefore, Amir Khan cannot be faulted for having an opinion. Secondly, do we know the truth about ourselves (let alone accepting it)? I have my reservations for the character of a profession if it feels threatened by a mere actor. We are a nation with suspect integrity. Similarly, the medical profession has its flaws. This should not surprise anybody because we too are Indians and we share the cardinal Indian traits with our countrymen. We are a country where (choronka) Raja is welcome when he is released from jail as if he is the first man to have landed on Mars; where the CVC (who is there to stop corruption) had to be removed because he himself was corrupt; and where the President was associated with a corrupt cooperative society and whose son was caught with unaccounted for cash in his car. It is no wonder that the Chief of MCI was corrupt enough to amass a considerable fortune. A doctor doing this is certainly shameful, but not entirely shocking. Coming to the specifics of the issue, we should have self-awareness and maturity to know what afflicts the medical profession. Dr Nagral has been very thoughtful in his discussion on our shortcomings. I have quite a few personal observations which were utterly disturbing. To quote just one example, a surgeon used to remove the appendix routinely as if he were dealing with an epidemic of appendicitis. Despite the fact that we all spring from the same society with a blunted conscience, we have to respect the patient as a fellow human being; understand the psychological aspects of his illness; and be honest, considerate and cordial with him. Who already follow the principles that guide medicine may find these words like a boring sermon. The reality still warrants an introspection. For man, life is a never-ending battle between conscience and convenience. Let us not permit the convenience to dominate our conscience. We are doctors! Bharat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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