Re: Fw: Apathy or is it my biased unbiased opinion!!

[Guest guest]

I was up till almost 2.30 AM with Namita,my wife... painfully watching the 86

odd hour ordeal of the sweet young child " Mahi " come to a dreadful end on NDTV.

It affected me so much that I

dreamt about the child being stuck in the borewell crying out for help.Why

should so many Mahi's die? Is there not an apathy in my country of birth? Why do

people not learn and take actions to avoid such accidents. If one child dies in

a first world, why do the parents tend to start a foundation in their memory and

start a whole movement to prevent such deaths from happening again?

                                                                   Why does a

father whose child is kidnapped and killed in Hollywood Florida, Walsh

,start a TV show called America's most wanted which helps solve so many crimes

and prevents so many future crimes?Why do parents of a child named Amber, whose

abduction and killing in Arlington Texas, start a movement leading to AMBER

ALERTS (actually standing for " America's Missing:Broadcasting Emergency

Response " ).By this system within minutes of an alleged abduction of a child all

information is broadcast on highways,radios, weather channels etc etc. Why was

there no mass information campaign and long lasting programs in schools and

colleges and some thing akin to Amber alerts etc  put into place when Sanjay and

Geeta Chopra were abducted in the late 1970's I think it was 1978. Despite their

being so many opportunities to save the two kids after they were abducted

hitchhiking to All India Radio, New Delhi for a program they were killed. The

result was just a bravery award set up in their name.

                                                                 Having been

brought up in India and having lived a considerable amount of time in the

Africa's I am at present in the West for almost 18 years. I have had the

opportunity to closely study the human behaviors in all these places thanks to

my line of work and inquisitive nature.For a multitude of folks like me who

travel back and forth to our countries of origin it gives us a unique

opportunity to observe the differences  between our adopted and our birth

countries with very little bias ( my biased opinion sic!).Why do people in the

third world have so much Apathy towards social issues, civic sense, care for

others, empathy in a larger constructive way? I am singling out the

intelligentia here, the so called middle class and upper middle class which is

doing pretty well economically in the last decade or so. That was an excuse when

I was growing up in India.

I see my kids in school both in Public( government free schools) and Private

schools being inculcated with the sense of duty and volunteerism right from a

very young age. They go to public kitchens, hospitals, cleaning their school

grounds during breaks...thereby inculcating in them a sense of giving, empathy

and being action oriented. 

                                                                 Are these just

my naive observation or will the west reach the same stage of Apathy when their

economies crash and Asia takes over the world in the next 50 years( Thank god

for dual citizenship !! ). I hope something constructive comes out of this

tragedy and it just does not remain in the domain of mere " BaatCheet " ( Idle

talk) and " Time pass " ( sitting room chatter).

________________________________

[Guest guest]

30 yrs back when my brother went to the UK, he told me that he had started

believing the myths of the Yuga. There were truly 4 yugas. Satya Treta, Dwapar

and Kali. One follows the other. The westerners are in Satya Yuga, because they

started later. We started earlier, so we have, it seems reached Kaliyuga.

 

Ashok Sinha

>________________________________

>

>To: " mgims " <mgims >

>Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 5:55 AM

>Subject: Re: Fw: Apathy or is it my biased unbiased opinion!!

>

>

> 

>I was up till almost 2.30 AM with Namita,my wife... painfully watching the 86

odd hour ordeal of the sweet young child " Mahi " come to a dreadful end on NDTV.

It affected me so much that I

>dreamt about the child being stuck in the borewell crying out for help.Why

should so many Mahi's die? Is there not an apathy in my country of birth? Why do

people not learn and take actions to avoid such accidents. If one child dies in

a first world, why do the parents tend to start a foundation in their memory and

start a whole movement to prevent such deaths from happening again?

>                                                   

               Why does a father whose child is kidnapped and killed in

Hollywood Florida, Walsh ,start a TV show called America's most wanted

which helps solve so many crimes and prevents so many future crimes?Why do

parents of a child named Amber, whose abduction and killing in Arlington Texas,

start a movement leading to AMBER ALERTS (actually standing for " America's

Missing:Broadcasting Emergency Response " ).By this system within minutes of an

alleged abduction of a child all information is broadcast on highways,radios,

weather channels etc etc. Why was there no mass information campaign and long

lasting programs in schools and colleges and some thing akin to Amber alerts etc

 put into place when Sanjay and Geeta Chopra were abducted in the late 1970's I

think it was 1978. Despite their being so many opportunities to save the two

kids after they were abducted

>hitchhiking to All India Radio, New Delhi for a program they were killed. The

result was just a bravery award set up in their name.

>                                                   

             Having been brought up in India and having lived a

considerable amount of time in the Africa's I am at present in the West for

almost 18 years. I have had the opportunity to closely study the human behaviors

in all these places thanks to my line of work and inquisitive nature.For a

multitude of folks like me who travel back and forth to our countries of origin

it gives us a unique opportunity to observe the differences  between our

adopted and our birth countries with very little bias ( my biased opinion

sic!).Why do people in the third world have so much Apathy towards social

issues, civic sense, care for others, empathy in a larger constructive way? I am

singling out the intelligentia here, the so called middle class and upper middle

class which is doing pretty well economically in the last decade or so. That was

an excuse when I was growing up in India.

>I see my kids in school both in Public( government free schools) and Private

schools being inculcated with the sense of duty and volunteerism right from a

very young age. They go to public kitchens, hospitals, cleaning their school

grounds during breaks...thereby inculcating in them a sense of giving, empathy

and being action oriented. 

>                                                   

             Are these just my naive observation or will the west reach

the same stage of Apathy when their economies crash and Asia takes over the

world in the next 50 years( Thank god for dual citizenship !! ). I hope

something constructive comes out of this tragedy and it just does not remain in

the domain of mere " BaatCheet " ( Idle talk) and " Time pass " ( sitting room

chatter).

>

>________________________________

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Ashish,

I guess you can sum it up in one sentence - in India the value of human

life is little. We forget and we move on. Its sad, but that's how it is.

There have been umpteen incidents of small kids falling into uncovered

pits, or " dry " bore-wells. But we don't learn. Its simple to just put a

cover on the hole, or to make a small boundary with flags around it, but we

don't care.

By " we " I mean not just the people who dug the hole in the first place, but

us too, who live around the hole or pass it on our way to work, etc. If

they don't do it, we can, right?

But we don't care... because we don't value human life as much.

I personally feel the authority or the people responsible for leaving such

holes unattended or unmarked should be taken to prison and to court for

homicide by negligence, whatever the legal term for it is.

Ravin '82

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 5:55 AM, ashish sachdeva

wrote:

> **

>

>

> I was up till almost 2.30 AM with Namita,my wife... painfully watching the

> 86 odd hour ordeal of the sweet young child " Mahi " come to a dreadful end on

> NDTV. It affected me so much that I

> dreamt about the child being stuck in the borewell crying out for help.Why

> should so many Mahi's die? Is there not an apathy in my country of birth?

> Why do people not learn and take actions to avoid such accidents. If one

> child dies in a first world, why do the parents tend to start a foundation

> in their memory and start a whole movement to prevent such deaths from

> happening again?

> Why

> does a father whose child is kidnapped and killed in Hollywood Florida,

> Walsh ,start a TV show called America's most wanted which helps solve

> so many crimes and prevents so many future crimes?Why do parents of a child

> named Amber, whose abduction and killing in Arlington Texas, start a

> movement leading to AMBER ALERTS (actually standing for " America's

> Missing:Broadcasting Emergency Response " ).By this system within minutes of

> an alleged abduction of a child all information is broadcast on

> highways,radios, weather channels etc etc. Why was there no mass

> information campaign and long lasting programs in schools and colleges and

> some thing akin to Amber alerts etc put into place when Sanjay and Geeta

> Chopra were abducted in the late 1970's I think it was 1978. Despite their

> being so many opportunities to save the two kids after they were abducted

> hitchhiking to All India Radio, New Delhi for a program they were killed.

> The result was just a bravery award set up in their name.

> Having

> been brought up in India and having lived a considerable amount of time in

> the Africa's I am at present in the West for almost 18 years. I have had

> the opportunity to closely study the human behaviors in all these places

> thanks to my line of work and inquisitive nature.For a multitude of folks

> like me who travel back and forth to our countries of origin it gives us a

> unique opportunity to observe the differences between our adopted and our

> birth countries with very little bias ( my biased opinion sic!).Why do

> people in the third world have so much Apathy towards social issues, civic

> sense, care for others, empathy in a larger constructive way? I am singling

> out the intelligentia here, the so called middle class and upper middle

> class which is doing pretty well economically in the last decade or so.

> That was an excuse when I was growing up in India.

> I see my kids in school both in Public( government free schools) and

> Private schools being inculcated with the sense of duty and volunteerism

> right from a very young age. They go to public kitchens, hospitals,

> cleaning their school grounds during breaks...thereby inculcating in them a

> sense of giving, empathy and being action oriented.

> Are these

> just my naive observation or will the west reach the same stage of Apathy

> when their economies crash and Asia takes over the world in the next 50

> years( Thank god for dual citizenship !! ). I hope something constructive

> comes out of this tragedy and it just does not remain in the domain of mere

> " BaatCheet " ( Idle talk) and " Time pass " ( sitting room chatter).

>

> ________________________________

>

>

[Guest guest]

really sad.........we all have to be more involved in the process of making

other citizens aware of such situations.............especially the glaring media

which keeps on going 24x7 can be and should be used for such purposes.........I

agree with Dr. Ashish's point of view..........here everywhere they spend so

much on making children aware of all the responsibilities, do's and do not's

since Kindergartens and nurseries ...........

I wish more can be done

aasawari91

aspiring to be a responsible citizen of the world...........

________________________________

To: " mgims " <mgims >

Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012 4:25 AM

Subject: Re: Fw: Apathy or is it my biased unbiased opinion!!

 

I was up till almost 2.30 AM with Namita,my wife... painfully watching the 86

odd hour ordeal of the sweet young child " Mahi " come to a dreadful end on NDTV.

It affected me so much that I

dreamt about the child being stuck in the borewell crying out for help.Why

should so many Mahi's die? Is there not an apathy in my country of birth? Why do

people not learn and take actions to avoid such accidents. If one child dies in

a first world, why do the parents tend to start a foundation in their memory and

start a whole movement to prevent such deaths from happening again?

                                                     

             Why does a father whose child is kidnapped and killed in

Hollywood Florida, Walsh ,start a TV show called America's most wanted

which helps solve so many crimes and prevents so many future crimes?Why do

parents of a child named Amber, whose abduction and killing in Arlington Texas,

start a movement leading to AMBER ALERTS (actually standing for " America's

Missing:Broadcasting Emergency Response " ).By this system within minutes of an

alleged abduction of a child all information is broadcast on highways,radios,

weather channels etc etc. Why was there no mass information campaign and long

lasting programs in schools and colleges and some thing akin to Amber alerts etc

 put into place when Sanjay and Geeta Chopra were abducted in the late 1970's I

think it was 1978. Despite their being so many opportunities to save the two

kids after they were abducted

hitchhiking to All India Radio, New Delhi for a program they were killed. The

result was just a bravery award set up in their name.

                                                     

           Having been brought up in India and having lived a considerable

amount of time in the Africa's I am at present in the West for almost 18 years.

I have had the opportunity to closely study the human behaviors in all these

places thanks to my line of work and inquisitive nature.For a multitude of folks

like me who travel back and forth to our countries of origin it gives us a

unique opportunity to observe the differences  between our adopted and our

birth countries with very little bias ( my biased opinion sic!).Why do people in

the third world have so much Apathy towards social issues, civic sense, care for

others, empathy in a larger constructive way? I am singling out the

intelligentia here, the so called middle class and upper middle class which is

doing pretty well economically in the last decade or so. That was an excuse when

I was growing up in India.

I see my kids in school both in Public( government free schools) and Private

schools being inculcated with the sense of duty and volunteerism right from a

very young age. They go to public kitchens, hospitals, cleaning their school

grounds during breaks...thereby inculcating in them a sense of giving, empathy

and being action oriented. 

                                                     

           Are these just my naive observation or will the west reach the

same stage of Apathy when their economies crash and Asia takes over the world in

the next 50 years( Thank god for dual citizenship !! ). I hope something

constructive comes out of this tragedy and it just does not remain in the domain

of mere " BaatCheet " ( Idle talk) and " Time pass " ( sitting room chatter).

________________________________

[Guest guest]

You are right Ravin, Why " they' should have done this or that . Every citizen

has some responsibility towards society and need to volunteer for such acts

which may be beneficial to the society, without asking for.OPG

> To: mgims

> From: ravindas@...

> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 10:27:16 +0530

> Subject: Re: Fw: Apathy or is it my biased unbiased opinion!!

>

> Dear Ashish,

>

> I guess you can sum it up in one sentence - in India the value of human

> life is little. We forget and we move on. Its sad, but that's how it is.

>

> There have been umpteen incidents of small kids falling into uncovered

> pits, or " dry " bore-wells. But we don't learn. Its simple to just put a

> cover on the hole, or to make a small boundary with flags around it, but we

> don't care.

>

> By " we " I mean not just the people who dug the hole in the first place, but

> us too, who live around the hole or pass it on our way to work, etc. If

> they don't do it, we can, right?

>

> But we don't care... because we don't value human life as much.

>

> I personally feel the authority or the people responsible for leaving such

> holes unattended or unmarked should be taken to prison and to court for

> homicide by negligence, whatever the legal term for it is.

>

> Ravin '82

>

> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 5:55 AM, ashish sachdeva

> wrote:

>

> > **

> >

> >

> > I was up till almost 2.30 AM with Namita,my wife... painfully watching the

> > 86 odd hour ordeal of the sweet young child " Mahi " come to a dreadful end on

> > NDTV. It affected me so much that I

> > dreamt about the child being stuck in the borewell crying out for help.Why

> > should so many Mahi's die? Is there not an apathy in my country of birth?

> > Why do people not learn and take actions to avoid such accidents. If one

> > child dies in a first world, why do the parents tend to start a foundation

> > in their memory and start a whole movement to prevent such deaths from

> > happening again?

> > Why

> > does a father whose child is kidnapped and killed in Hollywood Florida,

> > Walsh ,start a TV show called America's most wanted which helps solve

> > so many crimes and prevents so many future crimes?Why do parents of a child

> > named Amber, whose abduction and killing in Arlington Texas, start a

> > movement leading to AMBER ALERTS (actually standing for " America's

> > Missing:Broadcasting Emergency Response " ).By this system within minutes of

> > an alleged abduction of a child all information is broadcast on

> > highways,radios, weather channels etc etc. Why was there no mass

> > information campaign and long lasting programs in schools and colleges and

> > some thing akin to Amber alerts etc put into place when Sanjay and Geeta

> > Chopra were abducted in the late 1970's I think it was 1978. Despite their

> > being so many opportunities to save the two kids after they were abducted

> > hitchhiking to All India Radio, New Delhi for a program they were killed.

> > The result was just a bravery award set up in their name.

> > Having

> > been brought up in India and having lived a considerable amount of time in

> > the Africa's I am at present in the West for almost 18 years. I have had

> > the opportunity to closely study the human behaviors in all these places

> > thanks to my line of work and inquisitive nature.For a multitude of folks

> > like me who travel back and forth to our countries of origin it gives us a

> > unique opportunity to observe the differences between our adopted and our

> > birth countries with very little bias ( my biased opinion sic!).Why do

> > people in the third world have so much Apathy towards social issues, civic

> > sense, care for others, empathy in a larger constructive way? I am singling

> > out the intelligentia here, the so called middle class and upper middle

> > class which is doing pretty well economically in the last decade or so.

> > That was an excuse when I was growing up in India.

> > I see my kids in school both in Public( government free schools) and

> > Private schools being inculcated with the sense of duty and volunteerism

> > right from a very young age. They go to public kitchens, hospitals,

> > cleaning their school grounds during breaks...thereby inculcating in them a

> > sense of giving, empathy and being action oriented.

> > Are these

> > just my naive observation or will the west reach the same stage of Apathy

> > when their economies crash and Asia takes over the world in the next 50

> > years( Thank god for dual citizenship !! ). I hope something constructive

> > comes out of this tragedy and it just does not remain in the domain of mere

> > " BaatCheet " ( Idle talk) and " Time pass " ( sitting room chatter).

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I am unaware of the actual incident but I want to make a comment.

When you say Asia I think saying China would be more appropriate.

Secondly America has been built block by block. By the blocks I mean : liberty,

opportunity for all, honesty ( predominantly ), compassion, industry ( hard

work) national pride etc etc.

i.e., this house is rock solid and can weather every storm !!

As far as China it's economy entirely depends on the west buying it's products.

If the west crashes ( which is not going to happen so don't worry ) China is not

immune.

Secondly modern China has been built by crushing human liberties and lately I

hear rampant corruption in the ruling elite and their cronies i.e., foundation

is very weak !!

How I can I say all this so confidently...Look at the example of Germany ! What

was left of that country after World War II ? And goody it's economy is rock

solid and it is the country with the will and the might to bail out Europe.

Ashish these are countries where sincerity and hard work gets paid and that's

what makes them strong and resilient.

So at least you don't have to have bad dreams about the west collapsing !!

As far as India being in Kaliyug I think unfortunately we are stuck as no

avatar is going to come to bail us out and as far as the world coming to an end,

that is bunch of crap, even GOD will agree.

Ashok 1984

Sent from my iPad

> I was up till almost 2.30 AM with Namita,my wife... painfully watching the 86

odd hour ordeal of the sweet young child " Mahi " come to a dreadful end on NDTV.

It affected me so much that I

> dreamt about the child being stuck in the borewell crying out for help.Why

should so many Mahi's die? Is there not an apathy in my country of birth? Why do

people not learn and take actions to avoid such accidents. If one child dies in

a first world, why do the parents tend to start a foundation in their memory and

start a whole movement to prevent such deaths from happening again?

> Why does a

father whose child is kidnapped and killed in Hollywood Florida, Walsh

,start a TV show called America's most wanted which helps solve so many crimes

and prevents so many future crimes?Why do parents of a child named Amber, whose

abduction and killing in Arlington Texas, start a movement leading to AMBER

ALERTS (actually standing for " America's Missing:Broadcasting Emergency

Response " ).By this system within minutes of an alleged abduction of a child all

information is broadcast on highways,radios, weather channels etc etc. Why was

there no mass information campaign and long lasting programs in schools and

colleges and some thing akin to Amber alerts etc put into place when Sanjay and

Geeta Chopra were abducted in the late 1970's I think it was 1978. Despite their

being so many opportunities to save the two kids after they were abducted

> hitchhiking to All India Radio, New Delhi for a program they were killed. The

result was just a bravery award set up in their name.

> Having been

brought up in India and having lived a considerable amount of time in the

Africa's I am at present in the West for almost 18 years. I have had the

opportunity to closely study the human behaviors in all these places thanks to

my line of work and inquisitive nature.For a multitude of folks like me who

travel back and forth to our countries of origin it gives us a unique

opportunity to observe the differences between our adopted and our birth

countries with very little bias ( my biased opinion sic!).Why do people in the

third world have so much Apathy towards social issues, civic sense, care for

others, empathy in a larger constructive way? I am singling out the

intelligentia here, the so called middle class and upper middle class which is

doing pretty well economically in the last decade or so. That was an excuse when

I was growing up in India.

> I see my kids in school both in Public( government free schools) and Private

schools being inculcated with the sense of duty and volunteerism right from a

very young age. They go to public kitchens, hospitals, cleaning their school

grounds during breaks...thereby inculcating in them a sense of giving, empathy

and being action oriented.

> Are these

just my naive observation or will the west reach the same stage of Apathy when

their economies crash and Asia takes over the world in the next 50 years( Thank

god for dual citizenship !! ). I hope something constructive comes out of this

tragedy and it just does not remain in the domain of mere " BaatCheet " ( Idle

talk) and " Time pass " ( sitting room chatter).

>

> ________________________________

>

>

[Guest guest]

I felt something...deep in my heart.. when Dr Ashish said that he had dreams of

the child stuck in the bore well, crying out for help. I had that image in my

mind many times through the days the news was being flashed all over the world.

 

The answer to the questions raised is not easy. Why should so many Mahis die? Is

this apathy and why we learn no lessons..why the reaction to such incidents is

different in the west?

 

Tell me one thing Sir. You wrote this mail on 25th June. How many responses did

it elicit in our own group? The intellectual and intelligent class. I think 6 or

7. ( No offence intended)

 

Tell us a joke or a story..we will respond better.

 

To my mind, it is revealing. I think we are differently programmed genetically

and environmentally... very different from the developed world. We are a huge

nation of largely corrupt people who lack honesty, integrity and nationalism. It

is I..ME...My religion, my caste over and above everything else. We know our

rights well but care a damn for our responsibilities.

 

Who said once..Ask not what America has given you..ask what have you given

America..

 

I imagine that can never happen in India.

 

To top it all, we have a political crass that is ruthless..they live like queens

and kings and do practically nothing for the nation. Politics in India today is

about how to come to power and earn money. I simply ends there. There is no

governance at all.

 

But then why blame the Government or the politician. Fundamental fault is in the

mind and heart of the ordinary Indian. We have the Government we deserve. We

could not care less for issues of nationalist importance such as social equality

and justice.

 

This is going to continue indefinitely, I have lost all hope of any miraculous

change in India..at least in my and my children's lifetime.

 

Tell me if I can still migrate to the west at this stage of life. Have I missed

the bus?

Regret if I have..

 

 

 

Balvinder Rana 87

Subject: Re: Fw: Apathy or is it my biased unbiased opinion!!

To: " mgims " <mgims >

Date: Monday, 25 June, 2012, 5:55 AM

 

I was up till almost 2.30 AM with Namita,my wife... painfully watching the 86

odd hour ordeal of the sweet young child " Mahi " come to a dreadful end on NDTV.

It affected me so much that I

dreamt about the child being stuck in the borewell crying out for help.Why

should so many Mahi's die? Is there not an apathy in my country of birth? Why do

people not learn and take actions to avoid such accidents. If one child dies in

a first world, why do the parents tend to start a foundation in their memory and

start a whole movement to prevent such deaths from happening again?

                                                     

             Why does a father whose child is kidnapped and killed in

Hollywood Florida, Walsh ,start a TV show called America's most wanted

which helps solve so many crimes and prevents so many future crimes?Why do

parents of a child named Amber, whose abduction and killing in Arlington Texas,

start a movement leading to AMBER ALERTS (actually standing for " America's

Missing:Broadcasting Emergency Response " ).By this system within minutes of an

alleged abduction of a child all information is broadcast on highways,radios,

weather channels etc etc. Why was there no mass information campaign and long

lasting programs in schools and colleges and some thing akin to Amber alerts etc

 put into place when Sanjay and Geeta Chopra were abducted in the late 1970's I

think it was 1978. Despite their being so many opportunities to save the two

kids after they were abducted

hitchhiking to All India Radio, New Delhi for a program they were killed. The

result was just a bravery award set up in their name.

                                                     

           Having been brought up in India and having lived a considerable

amount of time in the Africa's I am at present in the West for almost 18 years.

I have had the opportunity to closely study the human behaviors in all these

places thanks to my line of work and inquisitive nature.For a multitude of folks

like me who travel back and forth to our countries of origin it gives us a

unique opportunity to observe the differences  between our adopted and our

birth countries with very little bias ( my biased opinion sic!).Why do people in

the third world have so much Apathy towards social issues, civic sense, care for

others, empathy in a larger constructive way? I am singling out the

intelligentia here, the so called middle class and upper middle class which is

doing pretty well economically in the last decade or so. That was an excuse when

I was growing up in India.

I see my kids in school both in Public( government free schools) and Private

schools being inculcated with the sense of duty and volunteerism right from a

very young age. They go to public kitchens, hospitals, cleaning their school

grounds during breaks...thereby inculcating in them a sense of giving, empathy

and being action oriented. 

                                                     

           Are these just my naive observation or will the west reach the

same stage of Apathy when their economies crash and Asia takes over the world in

the next 50 years( Thank god for dual citizenship !! ). I hope something

constructive comes out of this tragedy and it just does not remain in the domain

of mere " BaatCheet " ( Idle talk) and " Time pass " ( sitting room chatter).

________________________________

[Guest guest]

Balwinder

 

I think there is no point wasting your precious energy on this topic which we

all know that it weighs heavily in favor of the west. I have realised this very

late as did you! I think the best way out of this mess is to leave it behind,so

whenever you find an opening then do tell me too...we shall leave together....!!

 

Rakesh

My Best Regds

 

Rakesh Khera

Sr Consultant

Dept Of Urology,Robotics & Renal transplant

Medanta Medicity

Gurgaon

Cell- 9810549377

Subject: Re: Fw: Apathy or is it my biased unbiased opinion!!

To: " mgims " <mgims >

Date: Monday, 25 June, 2012, 5:55 AM

 

I was up till almost 2.30 AM with Namita,my wife... painfully watching the 86

odd hour ordeal of the sweet young child " Mahi " come to a dreadful end on NDTV.

It affected me so much that I

dreamt about the child being stuck in the borewell crying out for help.Why

should so many Mahi's die? Is there not an apathy in my country of birth? Why do

people not learn and take actions to avoid such accidents. If one child dies in

a first world, why do the parents tend to start a foundation in their memory and

start a whole movement to prevent such deaths from happening again?

                                                     

             Why does a father whose child is kidnapped and killed in

Hollywood Florida, Walsh ,start a TV show called America's most wanted

which helps solve so many crimes and prevents so many future crimes?Why do

parents of a child named Amber, whose abduction and killing in Arlington Texas,

start a movement leading to AMBER ALERTS (actually standing for " America's

Missing:Broadcasting Emergency Response " ).By this system within minutes of an

alleged abduction of a child all information is broadcast on highways,radios,

weather channels etc etc. Why was there no mass information campaign and long

lasting programs in schools and colleges and some thing akin to Amber alerts etc

 put into place when Sanjay and Geeta Chopra were abducted in the late 1970's I

think it was 1978. Despite their being so many opportunities to save the two

kids after they were abducted

hitchhiking to All India Radio, New Delhi for a program they were killed. The

result was just a bravery award set up in their name.

                                                     

           Having been brought up in India and having lived a considerable

amount of time in the Africa's I am at present in the West for almost 18 years.

I have had the opportunity to closely study the human behaviors in all these

places thanks to my line of work and inquisitive nature.For a multitude of folks

like me who travel back and forth to our countries of origin it gives us a

unique opportunity to observe the differences  between our adopted and our

birth countries with very little bias ( my biased opinion sic!).Why do people in

the third world have so much Apathy towards social issues, civic sense, care for

others, empathy in a larger constructive way? I am singling out the

intelligentia here, the so called middle class and upper middle class which is

doing pretty well economically in the last decade or so. That was an excuse when

I was growing up in India.

I see my kids in school both in Public( government free schools) and Private

schools being inculcated with the sense of duty and volunteerism right from a

very young age. They go to public kitchens, hospitals, cleaning their school

grounds during breaks...thereby inculcating in them a sense of giving, empathy

and being action oriented. 

                                                     

           Are these just my naive observation or will the west reach the

same stage of Apathy when their economies crash and Asia takes over the world in

the next 50 years( Thank god for dual citizenship !! ). I hope something

constructive comes out of this tragedy and it just does not remain in the domain

of mere " BaatCheet " ( Idle talk) and " Time pass " ( sitting room chatter).

________________________________

[Guest guest]

Well said Dr. Balwinder..........

it is apathy or agony which eats our hearts out..........we are born with so

much around us that we become blunt to many situations, which surround us

invariably terming us as selective blinds....... 

Fortunately when you move to a different place you realize back home what

would be an usual circumstance becomes ....... unusual...... i guess its when

you are removed from those reminders in your day to day life we become aware or

sensitized........

to different situations 

regards

aasawari91

happy to be sensitized ............to what would be termed as nuances of

life..............

 

________________________________

To: mgims

Sent: Saturday, 30 June 2012 12:24 PM

Subject: Re: Fw: Apathy or is it my biased unbiased opinion!!

 

I felt something...deep in my heart.. when Dr Ashish said that he had dreams of

the child stuck in the bore well, crying out for help. I had that image in my

mind many times through the days the news was being flashed all over the world.

 

The answer to the questions raised is not easy. Why should so many Mahis die? Is

this apathy and why we learn no lessons..why the reaction to such incidents is

different in the west?

 

Tell me one thing Sir. You wrote this mail on 25th June. How many responses did

it elicit in our own group? The intellectual and intelligent class. I think 6 or

7. ( No offence intended)

 

Tell us a joke or a story..we will respond better.

 

To my mind, it is revealing. I think we are differently programmed genetically

and environmentally... very different from the developed world. We are a huge

nation of largely corrupt people who lack honesty, integrity and nationalism. It

is I..ME...My religion, my caste over and above everything else. We know our

rights well but care a damn for our responsibilities.

 

Who said once..Ask not what America has given you..ask what have you given

America..

 

I imagine that can never happen in India.

 

To top it all, we have a political crass that is ruthless..they live like queens

and kings and do practically nothing for the nation. Politics in India today is

about how to come to power and earn money. I simply ends there. There is no

governance at all.

 

But then why blame the Government or the politician. Fundamental fault is in the

mind and heart of the ordinary Indian. We have the Government we deserve. We

could not care less for issues of nationalist importance such as social equality

and justice.

 

This is going to continue indefinitely, I have lost all hope of any miraculous

change in India..at least in my and my children's lifetime.

 

Tell me if I can still migrate to the west at this stage of life. Have I missed

the bus?

Regret if I have..

 

 

 

Balvinder Rana 87

Subject: Re: Fw: Apathy or is it my biased unbiased opinion!!

To: " mgims " <mgims >

Date: Monday, 25 June, 2012, 5:55 AM

 

I was up till almost 2.30 AM with Namita,my wife... painfully watching the 86

odd hour ordeal of the sweet young child " Mahi " come to a dreadful end on NDTV.

It affected me so much that I

dreamt about the child being stuck in the borewell crying out for help.Why

should so many Mahi's die? Is there not an apathy in my country of birth? Why do

people not learn and take actions to avoid such accidents. If one child dies in

a first world, why do the parents tend to start a foundation in their memory and

start a whole movement to prevent such deaths from happening again?

                                                     

             Why does a father whose child is kidnapped and killed in

Hollywood Florida, Walsh ,start a TV show called America's most wanted

which helps solve so many crimes and prevents so many future crimes?Why do

parents of a child named Amber, whose abduction and killing in Arlington Texas,

start a movement leading to AMBER ALERTS (actually standing for " America's

Missing:Broadcasting Emergency Response " ).By this system within minutes of an

alleged abduction of a child all information is broadcast on highways,radios,

weather channels etc etc. Why was there no mass information campaign and long

lasting programs in schools and colleges and some thing akin to Amber alerts etc

 put into place when Sanjay and Geeta Chopra were abducted in the late 1970's I

think it was 1978. Despite their being so many opportunities to save the two

kids after they were abducted

hitchhiking to All India Radio, New Delhi for a program they were killed. The

result was just a bravery award set up in their name.

                                                     

           Having been brought up in India and having lived a considerable

amount of time in the Africa's I am at present in the West for almost 18 years.

I have had the opportunity to closely study the human behaviors in all these

places thanks to my line of work and inquisitive nature.For a multitude of folks

like me who travel back and forth to our countries of origin it gives us a

unique opportunity to observe the differences  between our adopted and our

birth countries with very little bias ( my biased opinion sic!).Why do people in

the third world have so much Apathy towards social issues, civic sense, care for

others, empathy in a larger constructive way? I am singling out the

intelligentia here, the so called middle class and upper middle class which is

doing pretty well economically in the last decade or so. That was an excuse when

I was growing up in India.

I see my kids in school both in Public( government free schools) and Private

schools being inculcated with the sense of duty and volunteerism right from a

very young age. They go to public kitchens, hospitals, cleaning their school

grounds during breaks...thereby inculcating in them a sense of giving, empathy

and being action oriented. 

                                                     

           Are these just my naive observation or will the west reach the

same stage of Apathy when their economies crash and Asia takes over the world in

the next 50 years( Thank god for dual citizenship !! ). I hope something

constructive comes out of this tragedy and it just does not remain in the domain

of mere " BaatCheet " ( Idle talk) and " Time pass " ( sitting room chatter).

________________________________

[Guest guest]

Balvinder , you have said it absolutely right , the onus comes first on the

citizens. The words of Kennedy uttered on his Inaugration as the US

president almost 51 yrs ago hold good for every one even today.... " Ask not what

your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country. " !! On my

Facebook page I asked the same exact question and had some more responses even

from MGIMS alumni not on this group. The common excuse that I hear is that we

are not yet at that phase of development....when will we ever be at that stage

but now ?...The stage of development that India finds itself right now vs where

the west is... it is actually the phase that the middle class is in,

(intelligentia mainly ) the stage that India finds itself with a middle class

population is where the west was probably between the 1950's -1980. China

probably reached there in and around 2005 and India is there at present- " the

sweet spot of growth " . That is a time when

people this I am quoting Shashi Tharoor... have at least 1/3 rd of their income

as a " discretionary income " .... That is after taking care of their " ROTI KAPDA

AUR MAKAAN " In India this by a conservative estimate is atleast 300 million (

close to the population of the US) ! High time that rather than hiding behind

excuses we take the onus( I mean the Intelligentia and middle class) on

ourselves and forget the politicians who are busy filling up their coffers and

the very rich -- We do need to do  things on our own and teach the right values

to our children....start from home, then neighbourhoods...and grow from their !!

Balvinder and Rakesh,Anytime you wish to migrate to the US you tell me my

friends....remember the grass is always greener on the other side!! 

Ashish Sachdeva'83

________________________________

To: mgims

Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 1:24 AM

Subject: Re: Fw: Apathy or is it my biased unbiased opinion!!

 

I felt something...deep in my heart.. when Dr Ashish said that he had dreams of

the child stuck in the bore well, crying out for help. I had that image in my

mind many times through the days the news was being flashed all over the world.

 

The answer to the questions raised is not easy. Why should so many Mahis die? Is

this apathy and why we learn no lessons..why the reaction to such incidents is

different in the west?

 

Tell me one thing Sir. You wrote this mail on 25th June. How many responses did

it elicit in our own group? The intellectual and intelligent class. I think 6 or

7. ( No offence intended)

 

Tell us a joke or a story..we will respond better.

 

To my mind, it is revealing. I think we are differently programmed genetically

and environmentally... very different from the developed world. We are a huge

nation of largely corrupt people who lack honesty, integrity and nationalism. It

is I..ME...My religion, my caste over and above everything else. We know our

rights well but care a damn for our responsibilities.

 

Who said once..Ask not what America has given you..ask what have you given

America..

 

I imagine that can never happen in India.

 

To top it all, we have a political crass that is ruthless..they live like queens

and kings and do practically nothing for the nation. Politics in India today is

about how to come to power and earn money. I simply ends there. There is no

governance at all.

 

But then why blame the Government or the politician. Fundamental fault is in the

mind and heart of the ordinary Indian. We have the Government we deserve. We

could not care less for issues of nationalist importance such as social equality

and justice.

 

This is going to continue indefinitely, I have lost all hope of any miraculous

change in India..at least in my and my children's lifetime.

 

Tell me if I can still migrate to the west at this stage of life. Have I missed

the bus?

Regret if I have..

 

 

 

Balvinder Rana 87

Subject: Re: Fw: Apathy or is it my biased unbiased opinion!!

To: " mgims " <mgims >

Date: Monday, 25 June, 2012, 5:55 AM

 

I was up till almost 2.30 AM with Namita,my wife... painfully watching the 86

odd hour ordeal of the sweet young child " Mahi " come to a dreadful end on NDTV.

It affected me so much that I

dreamt about the child being stuck in the borewell crying out for help.Why

should so many Mahi's die? Is there not an apathy in my country of birth? Why do

people not learn and take actions to avoid such accidents. If one child dies in

a first world, why do the parents tend to start a foundation in their memory and

start a whole movement to prevent such deaths from happening again?

                                                     

             Why does a father whose child is kidnapped and killed in

Hollywood Florida, Walsh ,start a TV show called America's most wanted

which helps solve so many crimes and prevents so many future crimes?Why do

parents of a child named Amber, whose abduction and killing in Arlington Texas,

start a movement leading to AMBER ALERTS (actually standing for " America's

Missing:Broadcasting Emergency Response " ).By this system within minutes of an

alleged abduction of a child all information is broadcast on highways,radios,

weather channels etc etc. Why was there no mass information campaign and long

lasting programs in schools and colleges and some thing akin to Amber alerts etc

 put into place when Sanjay and Geeta Chopra

were abducted in the late 1970's I think it was 1978. Despite their being so

many opportunities to save the two kids after they were abducted

hitchhiking to All India Radio, New Delhi for a program they were killed. The

result was just a bravery award set up in their name.

                                                     

           Having been brought up in India and having lived a considerable

amount of time in the Africa's I am at present in the West for almost 18 years.

I have had the opportunity to closely study the human behaviors in all these

places thanks to my line of work and inquisitive nature.For a multitude of folks

like me who travel back and forth to our countries of origin it gives us a

unique opportunity to observe the differences  between our adopted and our

birth countries with very little bias ( my biased opinion sic!).Why do people in

the third world have so much Apathy towards social issues, civic sense, care for

others, empathy in a larger constructive way? I am singling out the

intelligentia here, the so called middle class and

upper middle class which is doing pretty well economically in the last decade

or so. That was an excuse when I was growing up in India.

I see my kids in school both in Public( government free schools) and Private

schools being inculcated with the sense of duty and volunteerism right from a

very young age. They go to public kitchens, hospitals, cleaning their school

grounds during breaks...thereby inculcating in them a sense of giving, empathy

and being action oriented. 

                                                     

           Are these just my naive observation or will the west reach the

same stage of Apathy when their economies crash and Asia takes over the world in

the next 50 years( Thank god for dual citizenship !! ). I hope something

constructive comes out of this tragedy and it just does not remain in the domain

of mere " BaatCheet " ( Idle talk) and " Time pass " ( sitting room chatter).

________________________________

[Guest guest]

Ashok, I love your total confidence on the USA's capability of being " uno

supremo " ! Let us not forget the native Indians here on whose land and blood

lies the rock solid foundation that we are talking about... every one has an

achilles heel but your point is well taken that sincerity and hard work,

liberty, compassion, industry and national pride have no alternatives. Very well

said!

Ashish Sachdeva '83

________________________________

To: " mgims " <mgims >

Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 7:31 AM

Subject: Re: Fw: Apathy or is it my biased unbiased opinion!!

 

I am unaware of the actual incident but I want to make a comment.

When you say Asia I think saying China would be more appropriate.

Secondly America has been built block by block. By the blocks I mean : liberty,

opportunity for all, honesty ( predominantly ), compassion, industry ( hard

work) national pride etc etc.

i.e., this house is rock solid and can weather every storm !!

As far as China it's economy entirely depends on the west buying it's products.

If the west crashes ( which is not going to happen so don't worry ) China is not

immune.

Secondly modern China has been built by crushing human liberties and lately I

hear rampant corruption in the ruling elite and their cronies i.e., foundation

is very weak !!

How I can I say all this so confidently...Look at the example of Germany ! What

was left of that country after World War II ? And goody it's economy is rock

solid and it is the country with the will and the might to bail out Europe.

Ashish these are countries where sincerity and hard work gets paid and that's

what makes them strong and resilient.

So at least you don't have to have bad dreams about the west collapsing !!

As far as India being in Kaliyug I think unfortunately we are stuck as no

avatar is going to come to bail us out and as far as the world coming to an end,

that is bunch of crap, even GOD will agree.

Ashok 1984

Sent from my iPad

> I was up till almost 2.30 AM with Namita,my wife... painfully watching the 86

odd hour ordeal of the sweet young child " Mahi " come to a dreadful end on NDTV.

It affected me so much that I

> dreamt about the child being stuck in the borewell crying out for help.Why

should so many Mahi's die? Is there not an apathy in my country of birth? Why do

people not learn and take actions to avoid such accidents. If one child dies in

a first world, why do the parents tend to start a foundation in their memory and

start a whole movement to prevent such deaths from happening again?

> Why does a

father whose child is kidnapped and killed in Hollywood Florida, Walsh

,start a TV show called America's most wanted which helps solve so many crimes

and prevents so many future crimes?Why do parents of a child named Amber, whose

abduction and killing in Arlington Texas, start a movement leading to AMBER

ALERTS (actually standing for " America's Missing:Broadcasting Emergency

Response " ).By this system within minutes of an alleged abduction of a child all

information is broadcast on highways,radios, weather channels etc etc. Why was

there no mass information campaign and long lasting programs in schools and

colleges and some thing akin to Amber alerts etc put into place when Sanjay and

Geeta Chopra were abducted in the late 1970's I think it was 1978. Despite their

being so many opportunities to save the two kids after they were abducted

> hitchhiking to All India Radio, New Delhi for a program they were killed. The

result was just a bravery award set up in their name.

> Having been

brought up in India and having lived a considerable amount of time in the

Africa's I am at present in the West for almost 18 years. I have had the

opportunity to closely study the human behaviors in all these places thanks to

my line of work and inquisitive nature.For a multitude of folks like me who

travel back and forth to our countries of origin it gives us a unique

opportunity to observe the differences between our adopted and our birth

countries with very little bias ( my biased opinion sic!).Why do people in the

third world have so much Apathy towards social issues, civic sense, care for

others, empathy in a larger constructive way? I am singling out the

intelligentia here, the so called middle class and upper middle class which is

doing pretty well economically in the last decade or so. That was an excuse when

I was growing up in India.

> I see my kids in school both in Public( government free schools) and Private

schools being inculcated with the sense of duty and volunteerism right from a

very young age. They go to public kitchens, hospitals, cleaning their school

grounds during breaks...thereby inculcating in them a sense of giving, empathy

and being action oriented.

> Are these

just my naive observation or will the west reach the same stage of Apathy when

their economies crash and Asia takes over the world in the next 50 years( Thank

god for dual citizenship !! ). I hope something constructive comes out of this

tragedy and it just does not remain in the domain of mere " BaatCheet " ( Idle

talk) and " Time pass " ( sitting room chatter).

>

> ________________________________

>

>

[Guest guest]

Aasawari ,It has to come from within and unfortunately we are no more " the real

indians " whose words have any weight,we are the Non resident Indians !! So it

has to be people like Aamir Khan and others who have to bring up these

uncomfortable topics.By the way I love the terminology citizens of the world

and I love the concept of a world religion....!!

Ashish Sachdeva'83

________________________________

To: " mgims " <mgims >

Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 1:54 AM

Subject: Re: Fw: Apathy or is it my biased unbiased opinion!!

 

really sad.........we all have to be more involved in the process of making

other citizens aware of such situations.............especially the glaring media

which keeps on going 24x7 can be and should be used for such purposes.........I

agree with Dr. Ashish's point of view..........here everywhere they spend so

much on making children aware of all the responsibilities, do's and do not's

since Kindergartens and nurseries ...........

I wish more can be done

aasawari91

aspiring to be a responsible citizen of the world...........

________________________________

To: " mgims " <mgims >

Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012 4:25 AM

Subject: Re: Fw: Apathy or is it my biased unbiased opinion!!

 

I was up till almost 2.30 AM with Namita,my wife... painfully watching the 86

odd hour ordeal of the sweet young child " Mahi " come to a dreadful end on NDTV.

It affected me so much that I

dreamt about the child being stuck in the borewell crying out for help.Why

should so many Mahi's die? Is there not an apathy in my country of birth? Why do

people not learn and take actions to avoid such accidents. If one child dies in

a first world, why do the parents tend to start a foundation in their memory and

start a whole movement to prevent such deaths from happening again?

                                                     

             Why does a father whose child is kidnapped and killed in

Hollywood Florida, Walsh ,start a TV show called America's most wanted

which helps solve so many crimes and prevents so many future crimes?Why do

parents of a child named Amber, whose abduction and killing in Arlington Texas,

start a movement leading to AMBER ALERTS (actually standing for " America's

Missing:Broadcasting Emergency Response " ).By this system within minutes of an

alleged abduction of a child all information is broadcast on highways,radios,

weather channels etc etc. Why was there no mass information campaign and long

lasting programs in schools and colleges and some thing akin to Amber alerts etc

 put into place when Sanjay and Geeta Chopra were abducted in the late 1970's I

think it was 1978. Despite their being so many opportunities to save the two

kids after they were abducted

hitchhiking to All India Radio, New Delhi for a program they were killed. The

result was just a bravery award set up in their name.

                                                     

           Having been brought up in India and having lived a considerable

amount of time in the Africa's I am at present in the West for almost 18 years.

I have had the opportunity to closely study the human behaviors in all these

places thanks to my line of work and inquisitive nature.For a multitude of folks

like me who travel back and forth to our countries of origin it gives us a

unique opportunity to observe the differences  between our adopted and our

birth countries with very little bias ( my biased opinion sic!).Why do people in

the third world have so much Apathy towards social issues, civic sense, care for

others, empathy in a larger constructive way? I am singling out the

intelligentia here, the so called middle class and upper middle class which is

doing pretty well economically in the last decade or so. That was an excuse when

I was growing up in India.

I see my kids in school both in Public( government free schools) and Private

schools being inculcated with the sense of duty and volunteerism right from a

very young age. They go to public kitchens, hospitals, cleaning their school

grounds during breaks...thereby inculcating in them a sense of giving, empathy

and being action oriented. 

                                                     

           Are these just my naive observation or will the west reach the

same stage of Apathy when their economies crash and Asia takes over the world in

the next 50 years( Thank god for dual citizenship !! ). I hope something

constructive comes out of this tragedy and it just does not remain in the domain

of mere " BaatCheet " ( Idle talk) and " Time pass " ( sitting room chatter).

________________________________

[Guest guest]

Ravin, That is so unfair !! The value of life should never be cheap! To your

last statement about people being taken to court and sent to prison...let me

give you an example and see your reaction to this. A close friend of ours, a

cardiologist from Pakistan moved into our neighborhood in Paradise Valley in

2009. In the morning one day the wife was near their swimming pool with their 4

yr old son who was a mentally challenged child. The other older son called out

to his mother who then went inside the house and got busy helping the older

sibling with his homework. In 10-15 minutes she realises her mistake and rushes

out to find the 4 yr old floating face down..dead.The city sues her. After a

nine day trial the jury finds her guilty of negligent homicide and child abuse.

She faces a sentence upto 3.75 years in prison. The verdict states that the

citizens of Paradise valley expect the parents of children to care for them and

not put them in harmful

situations which could lead to their deaths. Does that mean that we learn only

when there is a big danda and a strict enforcement of rules and if your answer

is yes then....... I wish Sanjay Gandhi had lived a few more years...sic!!!

Ashish Sachdeva'83

________________________________

To: mgims

Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 9:57 PM

Subject: Re: Fw: Apathy or is it my biased unbiased opinion!!

Dear Ashish,

I guess you can sum it up in one sentence - in India the value of human

life is little. We forget and we move on. Its sad, but that's how it is.

There have been umpteen incidents of small kids falling into uncovered

pits, or " dry " bore-wells. But we don't learn. Its simple to just put a

cover on the hole, or to make a small boundary with flags around it, but we

don't care.

By " we " I mean not just the people who dug the hole in the first place, but

us too, who live around the hole or pass it on our way to work, etc. If

they don't do it, we can, right?

But we don't care... because we don't value human life as much.

I personally feel the authority or the people responsible for leaving such

holes unattended or unmarked should be taken to prison and to court for

homicide by negligence, whatever the legal term for it is.

Ravin '82

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 5:55 AM, ashish sachdeva

wrote:

> **

>

>

> I was up till almost 2.30 AM with Namita,my wife... painfully watching the

> 86 odd hour ordeal of the sweet young child " Mahi " come to a dreadful end on

> NDTV. It affected me so much that I

> dreamt about the child being stuck in the borewell crying out for help.Why

> should so many Mahi's die? Is there not an apathy in my country of birth?

> Why do people not learn and take actions to avoid such accidents. If one

> child dies in a first world, why do the parents tend to start a foundation

> in their memory and start a whole movement to prevent such deaths from

> happening again?

>                                                                    Why

> does a father whose child is kidnapped and killed in Hollywood Florida,

> Walsh ,start a TV show called America's most wanted which helps solve

> so many crimes and prevents so many future crimes?Why do parents of a child

> named Amber, whose abduction and killing in Arlington Texas, start a

> movement leading to AMBER ALERTS (actually standing for " America's

> Missing:Broadcasting Emergency Response " ).By this system within minutes of

> an alleged abduction of a child all information is broadcast on

> highways,radios, weather channels etc etc. Why was there no mass

> information campaign and long lasting programs in schools and colleges and

> some thing akin to Amber alerts etc  put into place when Sanjay and Geeta

> Chopra were abducted in the late 1970's I think it was 1978. Despite their

> being so many opportunities to save the two kids after they were abducted

> hitchhiking to All India Radio, New Delhi for a program they were killed.

> The result was just a bravery award set up in their name.

>                                                                  Having

> been brought up in India and having lived a considerable amount of time in

> the Africa's I am at present in the West for almost 18 years. I have had

> the opportunity to closely study the human behaviors in all these places

> thanks to my line of work and inquisitive nature.For a multitude of folks

> like me who travel back and forth to our countries of origin it gives us a

> unique opportunity to observe the differences  between our adopted and our

> birth countries with very little bias ( my biased opinion sic!).Why do

> people in the third world have so much Apathy towards social issues, civic

> sense, care for others, empathy in a larger constructive way? I am singling

> out the intelligentia here, the so called middle class and upper middle

> class which is doing pretty well economically in the last decade or so.

> That was an excuse when I was growing up in India.

> I see my kids in school both in Public( government free schools) and

> Private schools being inculcated with the sense of duty and volunteerism

> right from a very young age. They go to public kitchens, hospitals,

> cleaning their school grounds during breaks...thereby inculcating in them a

> sense of giving, empathy and being action oriented.

>                                                                  Are these

> just my naive observation or will the west reach the same stage of Apathy

> when their economies crash and Asia takes over the world in the next 50

> years( Thank god for dual citizenship !! ). I hope something constructive

> comes out of this tragedy and it just does not remain in the domain of mere

> " BaatCheet " ( Idle talk) and " Time pass " ( sitting room chatter).

>

> ________________________________

>

>

[Guest guest]

ha! ha! Ashok, I think I am going to quote you on that!!

Ashish Sachdeva'83

________________________________

To: " mgims " <mgims >

Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 6:33 PM

Subject: Re: Fw: Apathy or is it my biased unbiased opinion!!

 

30 yrs back when my brother went to the UK, he told me that he had started

believing the myths of the Yuga. There were truly 4 yugas. Satya Treta, Dwapar

and Kali. One follows the other. The westerners are in Satya Yuga, because they

started later. We started earlier, so we have, it seems reached Kaliyuga.

 

Ashok Sinha

>________________________________

>

>To: " mgims " <mgims >

>Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 5:55 AM

>Subject: Re: Fw: Apathy or is it my biased unbiased opinion!!

>

>

> 

>I was up till almost 2.30 AM with Namita,my wife... painfully watching the 86

odd hour ordeal of the sweet young child " Mahi " come to a dreadful end on NDTV.

It affected me so much that I

>dreamt about the child being stuck in the borewell crying out for help.Why

should so many Mahi's die? Is there not an apathy in my country of birth? Why do

people not learn and take actions to avoid such accidents. If one child dies in

a first world, why do the parents tend to start a foundation in their memory and

start a whole movement to prevent such deaths from happening again?

>                                                   

               Why does a father whose child is kidnapped and killed in

Hollywood Florida, Walsh ,start a TV show called America's most wanted

which helps solve so many crimes and prevents so many future crimes?Why do

parents of a child named Amber, whose abduction and killing in Arlington Texas,

start a movement leading to AMBER ALERTS (actually standing for " America's

Missing:Broadcasting Emergency Response " ).By this system within minutes of an

alleged abduction of a child all information is broadcast on highways,radios,

weather channels etc etc. Why was there no mass information campaign and long

lasting programs in schools and colleges and some thing akin to Amber alerts etc

 put into place when Sanjay and Geeta Chopra were abducted in the late 1970's I

think it was 1978. Despite their being so many opportunities to save the two

kids after they were abducted

>hitchhiking to All India Radio, New Delhi for a program they were killed. The

result was just a bravery award set up in their name.

>                                                   

             Having been brought up in India and having lived a

considerable amount of time in the Africa's I am at present in the West for

almost 18 years. I have had the opportunity to closely study the human behaviors

in all these places thanks to my line of work and inquisitive nature.For a

multitude of folks like me who travel back and forth to our countries of origin

it gives us a unique opportunity to observe the differences  between our

adopted and our birth countries with very little bias ( my biased opinion

sic!).Why do people in the third world have so much Apathy towards social

issues, civic sense, care for others, empathy in a larger constructive way? I am

singling out the intelligentia here, the so called middle class and upper middle

class which is doing pretty well economically in the last decade or so. That was

an excuse when I was growing up in India.

>I see my kids in school both in Public( government free schools) and Private

schools being inculcated with the sense of duty and volunteerism right from a

very young age. They go to public kitchens, hospitals, cleaning their school

grounds during breaks...thereby inculcating in them a sense of giving, empathy

and being action oriented. 

>                                                   

             Are these just my naive observation or will the west reach

the same stage of Apathy when their economies crash and Asia takes over the

world in the next 50 years( Thank god for dual citizenship !! ). I hope

something constructive comes out of this tragedy and it just does not remain in

the domain of mere " BaatCheet " ( Idle talk) and " Time pass " ( sitting room

chatter).

>

>________________________________

>

>

[Guest guest]

Your example and mine are quite different, Ashish ;-)

Ravin '82

On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 12:46 PM, ashish sachdeva

wrote:

> **

>

>

> Ravin, That is so unfair !! The value of life should never be cheap! To

> your last statement about people being taken to court and sent to

> prison...let me give you an example and see your reaction to this. A close

> friend of ours, a cardiologist from Pakistan moved into our neighborhood in

> Paradise Valley in 2009. In the morning one day the wife was near their

> swimming pool with their 4 yr old son who was a mentally challenged child.

> The other older son called out to his mother who then went inside the house

> and got busy helping the older sibling with his homework. In 10-15 minutes

> she realises her mistake and rushes out to find the 4 yr old floating face

> down..dead.The city sues her. After a nine day trial the jury finds her

> guilty of negligent homicide and child abuse. She faces a sentence upto

> 3.75 years in prison. The verdict states that the citizens of Paradise

> valley expect the parents of children to care for them and not put them in

> harmful

> situations which could lead to their deaths. Does that mean that we learn

> only when there is a big danda and a strict enforcement of rules and if

> your answer is yes then....... I wish Sanjay Gandhi had lived a few more

> years...sic!!!

> Ashish Sachdeva'83

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: mgims

> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 9:57 PM

>

> Subject: Re: Fw: Apathy or is it my biased unbiased opinion!!

>

> Dear Ashish,

>

> I guess you can sum it up in one sentence - in India the value of human

> life is little. We forget and we move on. Its sad, but that's how it is.

>

> There have been umpteen incidents of small kids falling into uncovered

> pits, or " dry " bore-wells. But we don't learn. Its simple to just put a

> cover on the hole, or to make a small boundary with flags around it, but we

> don't care.

>

> By " we " I mean not just the people who dug the hole in the first place, but

> us too, who live around the hole or pass it on our way to work, etc. If

> they don't do it, we can, right?

>

> But we don't care... because we don't value human life as much.

>

> I personally feel the authority or the people responsible for leaving such

> holes unattended or unmarked should be taken to prison and to court for

> homicide by negligence, whatever the legal term for it is.

>

> Ravin '82

>

> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 5:55 AM, ashish sachdeva

> wrote:

>

> > **

>

> >

> >

> > I was up till almost 2.30 AM with Namita,my wife... painfully watching

> the

> > 86 odd hour ordeal of the sweet young child " Mahi " come to a dreadful end

> on

> > NDTV. It affected me so much that I

> > dreamt about the child being stuck in the borewell crying out for

> help.Why

> > should so many Mahi's die? Is there not an apathy in my country of birth?

> > Why do people not learn and take actions to avoid such accidents. If one

> > child dies in a first world, why do the parents tend to start a

> foundation

> > in their memory and start a whole movement to prevent such deaths from

> > happening again?

> > Why

> > does a father whose child is kidnapped and killed in Hollywood Florida,

> > Walsh ,start a TV show called America's most wanted which helps

> solve

> > so many crimes and prevents so many future crimes?Why do parents of a

> child

> > named Amber, whose abduction and killing in Arlington Texas, start a

> > movement leading to AMBER ALERTS (actually standing for " America's

> > Missing:Broadcasting Emergency Response " ).By this system within minutes

> of

> > an alleged abduction of a child all information is broadcast on

> > highways,radios, weather channels etc etc. Why was there no mass

> > information campaign and long lasting programs in schools and colleges

> and

> > some thing akin to Amber alerts etc put into place when Sanjay and Geeta

> > Chopra were abducted in the late 1970's I think it was 1978. Despite

> their

> > being so many opportunities to save the two kids after they were abducted

> > hitchhiking to All India Radio, New Delhi for a program they were killed.

> > The result was just a bravery award set up in their name.

> > Having

> > been brought up in India and having lived a considerable amount of time

> in

> > the Africa's I am at present in the West for almost 18 years. I have had

> > the opportunity to closely study the human behaviors in all these places

> > thanks to my line of work and inquisitive nature.For a multitude of folks

> > like me who travel back and forth to our countries of origin it gives us

> a

> > unique opportunity to observe the differences between our adopted and

> our

> > birth countries with very little bias ( my biased opinion sic!).Why do

> > people in the third world have so much Apathy towards social issues,

> civic

> > sense, care for others, empathy in a larger constructive way? I am

> singling

> > out the intelligentia here, the so called middle class and upper middle

> > class which is doing pretty well economically in the last decade or so.

> > That was an excuse when I was growing up in India.

> > I see my kids in school both in Public( government free schools) and

> > Private schools being inculcated with the sense of duty and volunteerism

> > right from a very young age. They go to public kitchens, hospitals,

> > cleaning their school grounds during breaks...thereby inculcating in

> them a

> > sense of giving, empathy and being action oriented.

> > Are

> these

> > just my naive observation or will the west reach the same stage of Apathy

> > when their economies crash and Asia takes over the world in the next 50

> > years( Thank god for dual citizenship !! ). I hope something constructive

> > comes out of this tragedy and it just does not remain in the domain of

> mere

> > " BaatCheet " ( Idle talk) and " Time pass " ( sitting room chatter).

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

The examples are different but the spirit is the same life is invaluable of any

one ...wether your own child's or an unknowns, negligence is still

negligence,wether at home or in your neighborhood !! I rest my case.

Ashish

> Your example and mine are quite different, Ashish ;-)

>

> Ravin '82

>

> On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 12:46 PM, ashish sachdeva

> wrote:

>

>> **

>>

>>

>> Ravin, That is so unfair !! The value of life should never be cheap! To

>> your last statement about people being taken to court and sent to

>> prison...let me give you an example and see your reaction to this. A close

>> friend of ours, a cardiologist from Pakistan moved into our neighborhood in

>> Paradise Valley in 2009. In the morning one day the wife was near their

>> swimming pool with their 4 yr old son who was a mentally challenged child.

>> The other older son called out to his mother who then went inside the house

>> and got busy helping the older sibling with his homework. In 10-15 minutes

>> she realises her mistake and rushes out to find the 4 yr old floating face

>> down..dead.The city sues her. After a nine day trial the jury finds her

>> guilty of negligent homicide and child abuse. She faces a sentence upto

>> 3.75 years in prison. The verdict states that the citizens of Paradise

>> valley expect the parents of children to care for them and not put them in

>> harmful

>> situations which could lead to their deaths. Does that mean that we learn

>> only when there is a big danda and a strict enforcement of rules and if

>> your answer is yes then....... I wish Sanjay Gandhi had lived a few more

>> years...sic!!!

>> Ashish Sachdeva'83

>>

>> ________________________________

>>

>> To: mgims

>> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 9:57 PM

>>

>> Subject: Re: Fw: Apathy or is it my biased unbiased opinion!!

>>

>> Dear Ashish,

>>

>> I guess you can sum it up in one sentence - in India the value of human

>> life is little. We forget and we move on. Its sad, but that's how it is.

>>

>> There have been umpteen incidents of small kids falling into uncovered

>> pits, or " dry " bore-wells. But we don't learn. Its simple to just put a

>> cover on the hole, or to make a small boundary with flags around it, but we

>> don't care.

>>

>> By " we " I mean not just the people who dug the hole in the first place, but

>> us too, who live around the hole or pass it on our way to work, etc. If

>> they don't do it, we can, right?

>>

>> But we don't care... because we don't value human life as much.

>>

>> I personally feel the authority or the people responsible for leaving such

>> holes unattended or unmarked should be taken to prison and to court for

>> homicide by negligence, whatever the legal term for it is.

>>

>> Ravin '82

>>

>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 5:55 AM, ashish sachdeva

>> wrote:

>>

>>> **

>>

>>>

>>>

>>> I was up till almost 2.30 AM with Namita,my wife... painfully watching

>> the

>>> 86 odd hour ordeal of the sweet young child " Mahi " come to a dreadful end

>> on

>>> NDTV. It affected me so much that I

>>> dreamt about the child being stuck in the borewell crying out for

>> help.Why

>>> should so many Mahi's die? Is there not an apathy in my country of birth?

>>> Why do people not learn and take actions to avoid such accidents. If one

>>> child dies in a first world, why do the parents tend to start a

>> foundation

>>> in their memory and start a whole movement to prevent such deaths from

>>> happening again?

>>> Why

>>> does a father whose child is kidnapped and killed in Hollywood Florida,

>>> Walsh ,start a TV show called America's most wanted which helps

>> solve

>>> so many crimes and prevents so many future crimes?Why do parents of a

>> child

>>> named Amber, whose abduction and killing in Arlington Texas, start a

>>> movement leading to AMBER ALERTS (actually standing for " America's

>>> Missing:Broadcasting Emergency Response " ).By this system within minutes

>> of

>>> an alleged abduction of a child all information is broadcast on

>>> highways,radios, weather channels etc etc. Why was there no mass

>>> information campaign and long lasting programs in schools and colleges

>> and

>>> some thing akin to Amber alerts etc put into place when Sanjay and Geeta

>>> Chopra were abducted in the late 1970's I think it was 1978. Despite

>> their

>>> being so many opportunities to save the two kids after they were abducted

>>> hitchhiking to All India Radio, New Delhi for a program they were killed.

>>> The result was just a bravery award set up in their name.

>>> Having

>>> been brought up in India and having lived a considerable amount of time

>> in

>>> the Africa's I am at present in the West for almost 18 years. I have had

>>> the opportunity to closely study the human behaviors in all these places

>>> thanks to my line of work and inquisitive nature.For a multitude of folks

>>> like me who travel back and forth to our countries of origin it gives us

>> a

>>> unique opportunity to observe the differences between our adopted and

>> our

>>> birth countries with very little bias ( my biased opinion sic!).Why do

>>> people in the third world have so much Apathy towards social issues,

>> civic

>>> sense, care for others, empathy in a larger constructive way? I am

>> singling

>>> out the intelligentia here, the so called middle class and upper middle

>>> class which is doing pretty well economically in the last decade or so.

>>> That was an excuse when I was growing up in India.

>>> I see my kids in school both in Public( government free schools) and

>>> Private schools being inculcated with the sense of duty and volunteerism

>>> right from a very young age. They go to public kitchens, hospitals,

>>> cleaning their school grounds during breaks...thereby inculcating in

>> them a

>>> sense of giving, empathy and being action oriented.

>>> Are

>> these

>>> just my naive observation or will the west reach the same stage of Apathy

>>> when their economies crash and Asia takes over the world in the next 50

>>> years( Thank god for dual citizenship !! ). I hope something constructive

>>> comes out of this tragedy and it just does not remain in the domain of

>> mere

>>> " BaatCheet " ( Idle talk) and " Time pass " ( sitting room chatter).

>>>

>>> ________________________________

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

Amen :-)

Ravin '82

> **

>

>

> The examples are different but the spirit is the same life is invaluable

> of any one ...wether your own child's or an unknowns, negligence is still

> negligence,wether at home or in your neighborhood !! I rest my case.

>

> Ashish

>

>

>

> > Your example and mine are quite different, Ashish ;-)

> >

> > Ravin '82

> >

> > On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 12:46 PM, ashish sachdeva

> > wrote:

> >

> >> **

> >>

> >>

> >> Ravin, That is so unfair !! The value of life should never be cheap! To

> >> your last statement about people being taken to court and sent to

> >> prison...let me give you an example and see your reaction to this. A

> close

> >> friend of ours, a cardiologist from Pakistan moved into our

> neighborhood in

> >> Paradise Valley in 2009. In the morning one day the wife was near their

> >> swimming pool with their 4 yr old son who was a mentally challenged

> child.

> >> The other older son called out to his mother who then went inside the

> house

> >> and got busy helping the older sibling with his homework. In 10-15

> minutes

> >> she realises her mistake and rushes out to find the 4 yr old floating

> face

> >> down..dead.The city sues her. After a nine day trial the jury finds her

> >> guilty of negligent homicide and child abuse. She faces a sentence upto

> >> 3.75 years in prison. The verdict states that the citizens of Paradise

> >> valley expect the parents of children to care for them and not put them

> in

> >> harmful

> >> situations which could lead to their deaths. Does that mean that we

> learn

> >> only when there is a big danda and a strict enforcement of rules and if

> >> your answer is yes then....... I wish Sanjay Gandhi had lived a few more

> >> years...sic!!!

> >> Ashish Sachdeva'83

> >>

> >> ________________________________

> >>

> >> To: mgims

> >> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 9:57 PM

> >>

> >> Subject: Re: Fw: Apathy or is it my biased unbiased opinion!!

> >>

> >> Dear Ashish,

> >>

> >> I guess you can sum it up in one sentence - in India the value of human

> >> life is little. We forget and we move on. Its sad, but that's how it is.

> >>

> >> There have been umpteen incidents of small kids falling into uncovered

> >> pits, or " dry " bore-wells. But we don't learn. Its simple to just put a

> >> cover on the hole, or to make a small boundary with flags around it,

> but we

> >> don't care.

> >>

> >> By " we " I mean not just the people who dug the hole in the first place,

> but

> >> us too, who live around the hole or pass it on our way to work, etc. If

> >> they don't do it, we can, right?

> >>

> >> But we don't care... because we don't value human life as much.

> >>

> >> I personally feel the authority or the people responsible for leaving

> such

> >> holes unattended or unmarked should be taken to prison and to court for

> >> homicide by negligence, whatever the legal term for it is.

> >>

> >> Ravin '82

> >>

> >> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 5:55 AM, ashish sachdeva

> >> wrote:

> >>

> >>> **

> >>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> I was up till almost 2.30 AM with Namita,my wife... painfully watching

> >> the

> >>> 86 odd hour ordeal of the sweet young child " Mahi " come to a dreadful

> end

> >> on

> >>> NDTV. It affected me so much that I

> >>> dreamt about the child being stuck in the borewell crying out for

> >> help.Why

> >>> should so many Mahi's die? Is there not an apathy in my country of

> birth?

> >>> Why do people not learn and take actions to avoid such accidents. If

> one

> >>> child dies in a first world, why do the parents tend to start a

> >> foundation

> >>> in their memory and start a whole movement to prevent such deaths from

> >>> happening again?

> >>> Why

> >>> does a father whose child is kidnapped and killed in Hollywood Florida,

> >>> Walsh ,start a TV show called America's most wanted which helps

> >> solve

> >>> so many crimes and prevents so many future crimes?Why do parents of a

> >> child

> >>> named Amber, whose abduction and killing in Arlington Texas, start a

> >>> movement leading to AMBER ALERTS (actually standing for " America's

> >>> Missing:Broadcasting Emergency Response " ).By this system within minutes

> >> of

> >>> an alleged abduction of a child all information is broadcast on

> >>> highways,radios, weather channels etc etc. Why was there no mass

> >>> information campaign and long lasting programs in schools and colleges

> >> and

> >>> some thing akin to Amber alerts etc put into place when Sanjay and

> Geeta

> >>> Chopra were abducted in the late 1970's I think it was 1978. Despite

> >> their

> >>> being so many opportunities to save the two kids after they were

> abducted

> >>> hitchhiking to All India Radio, New Delhi for a program they were

> killed.

> >>> The result was just a bravery award set up in their name.

> >>> Having

> >>> been brought up in India and having lived a considerable amount of time

> >> in

> >>> the Africa's I am at present in the West for almost 18 years. I have

> had

> >>> the opportunity to closely study the human behaviors in all these

> places

> >>> thanks to my line of work and inquisitive nature.For a multitude of

> folks

> >>> like me who travel back and forth to our countries of origin it gives

> us

> >> a

> >>> unique opportunity to observe the differences between our adopted and

> >> our

> >>> birth countries with very little bias ( my biased opinion sic!).Why do

> >>> people in the third world have so much Apathy towards social issues,

> >> civic

> >>> sense, care for others, empathy in a larger constructive way? I am

> >> singling

> >>> out the intelligentia here, the so called middle class and upper middle

> >>> class which is doing pretty well economically in the last decade or so.

> >>> That was an excuse when I was growing up in India.

> >>> I see my kids in school both in Public( government free schools) and

> >>> Private schools being inculcated with the sense of duty and

> volunteerism

> >>> right from a very young age. They go to public kitchens, hospitals,

> >>> cleaning their school grounds during breaks...thereby inculcating in

> >> them a

> >>> sense of giving, empathy and being action oriented.

> >>> Are

> >> these

> >>> just my naive observation or will the west reach the same stage of

> Apathy

> >>> when their economies crash and Asia takes over the world in the next 50

> >>> years( Thank god for dual citizenship !! ). I hope something

> constructive

> >>> comes out of this tragedy and it just does not remain in the domain of

> >> mere

> >>> " BaatCheet " ( Idle talk) and " Time pass " ( sitting room chatter).

> >>>

> >>> ________________________________

> >>>

> >>>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Ashish.

As far as being critical of the state of affairs in India, I think I lost my

right when I decided to stay back in the US.

Ashok 1984

Sent from my iPad

> Ashok, I love your total confidence on the USA's capability of being " uno

supremo " ! Let us not forget the native Indians here on whose land and blood

lies the rock solid foundation that we are talking about... every one has an

achilles heel but your point is well taken that sincerity and hard work,

liberty, compassion, industry and national pride have no alternatives. Very well

said!

> Ashish Sachdeva '83

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: " mgims " <mgims >

> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 7:31 AM

> Subject: Re: Fw: Apathy or is it my biased unbiased opinion!!

>

>

>

> I am unaware of the actual incident but I want to make a comment.

>

> When you say Asia I think saying China would be more appropriate.

>

> Secondly America has been built block by block. By the blocks I mean :

liberty, opportunity for all, honesty ( predominantly ), compassion, industry (

hard work) national pride etc etc.

>

> i.e., this house is rock solid and can weather every storm !!

>

> As far as China it's economy entirely depends on the west buying it's

products. If the west crashes ( which is not going to happen so don't worry )

China is not immune.

>

> Secondly modern China has been built by crushing human liberties and lately I

hear rampant corruption in the ruling elite and their cronies i.e., foundation

is very weak !!

>

> How I can I say all this so confidently...Look at the example of Germany !

What was left of that country after World War II ? And goody it's economy is

rock solid and it is the country with the will and the might to bail out Europe.

>

> Ashish these are countries where sincerity and hard work gets paid and that's

what makes them strong and resilient.

>

> So at least you don't have to have bad dreams about the west collapsing !!

>

> As far as India being in Kaliyug I think unfortunately we are stuck as no

avatar is going to come to bail us out and as far as the world coming to an end,

that is bunch of crap, even GOD will agree.

>

> Ashok 1984

>

> Sent from my iPad

>

> On Jun 24, 2012, at 7:25 PM, ashish sachdeva

wrote:

>

> > I was up till almost 2.30 AM with Namita,my wife... painfully watching the

86 odd hour ordeal of the sweet young child " Mahi " come to a dreadful end on

NDTV. It affected me so much that I

> > dreamt about the child being stuck in the borewell crying out for help.Why

should so many Mahi's die? Is there not an apathy in my country of birth? Why do

people not learn and take actions to avoid such accidents. If one child dies in

a first world, why do the parents tend to start a foundation in their memory and

start a whole movement to prevent such deaths from happening again?

> > Why does a father whose child is kidnapped and killed in Hollywood Florida,

Walsh ,start a TV show called America's most wanted which helps solve so

many crimes and prevents so many future crimes?Why do parents of a child named

Amber, whose abduction and killing in Arlington Texas, start a movement leading

to AMBER ALERTS (actually standing for " America's Missing:Broadcasting Emergency

Response " ).By this system within minutes of an alleged abduction of a child all

information is broadcast on highways,radios, weather channels etc etc. Why was

there no mass information campaign and long lasting programs in schools and

colleges and some thing akin to Amber alerts etc put into place when Sanjay and

Geeta Chopra were abducted in the late 1970's I think it was 1978. Despite their

being so many opportunities to save the two kids after they were abducted

> > hitchhiking to All India Radio, New Delhi for a program they were killed.

The result was just a bravery award set up in their name.

> > Having been brought up in India and having lived a considerable amount of

time in the Africa's I am at present in the West for almost 18 years. I have had

the opportunity to closely study the human behaviors in all these places thanks

to my line of work and inquisitive nature.For a multitude of folks like me who

travel back and forth to our countries of origin it gives us a unique

opportunity to observe the differences between our adopted and our birth

countries with very little bias ( my biased opinion sic!).Why do people in the

third world have so much Apathy towards social issues, civic sense, care for

others, empathy in a larger constructive way? I am singling out the

intelligentia here, the so called middle class and upper middle class which is

doing pretty well economically in the last decade or so. That was an excuse when

I was growing up in India.

> > I see my kids in school both in Public( government free schools) and Private

schools being inculcated with the sense of duty and volunteerism right from a

very young age. They go to public kitchens, hospitals, cleaning their school

grounds during breaks...thereby inculcating in them a sense of giving, empathy

and being action oriented.

> > Are these just my naive observation or will the west reach the same stage of

Apathy when their economies crash and Asia takes over the world in the next 50

years( Thank god for dual citizenship !! ). I hope something constructive comes

out of this tragedy and it just does not remain in the domain of mere "

BaatCheet " ( Idle talk) and " Time pass " ( sitting room chatter).

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