Re: SBS study

[Guest guest]

Darren, I don't have any info on new buildings just the old one I was in! I

am happy to hear you are researching this problem and wish you the best of

luck and success with your study!!

Education is the answer to this mold problem and hopefully your study will

benefit the world!!

I was in England a few years ago, loved your country and the people we met

were wonderful!!

Again, lots of luck!

Sue

Hello everybody. My name is Darren and I am studying BSc Quantity

Surveying at s in Liverpool. As part of my course I am

conducting a study into what the UK construction industry is doing to

combat the problem of SBS in new office developments. If anybody has

any experiences in new offices or knows of any studies that have

already been carried out I would be more than grateful. I need anything

to do with new building techniques that constructon firms may have used

and what success or not that they may have had in controlling the

problem. Thank you very much for your help.

PS I am not sure if my email address will show on this but it is

_darren.evans19@..._ (mailto:darren.evans19@...) just in case.

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[Guest guest]

Their is a lot of good info at

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Epa has lots of good data. Sadly all these sources are biased in that they

don't seem to be very aggressive in finding out the truth, (which IS what

they are being paid for) but again they have more stringent discipline where

they require scientific evidence and peer review before they accept ideas

such as mold and illness and how they relate.

I would suggest you focus on mold and not chemicals, as a suffer I believe

strongly most the complaints revolve around mold exposure and their is

indeed an epidemic with many victims so sick they can't work anymore and

everything in between. You could google mcs I believe these people actually

suffer from mold sensitivity it's just that the symptoms feel so much like

your being poisoned that the victims mistake chemical exposures for mold (in

my opinion)

Here are a few others:

http://www.imakenews.com/pureaircontrols/e_article000732125.cfm?x=b8PcTc0,bvtvCt\

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http://www.environmentaldiseases.com/article-toxic-molds-revisited-2007.html

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 1:23 PM, darren.evans19 <darren.evans19@...>

wrote:

> Hello everybody. My name is Darren and I am studying BSc Quantity

> Surveying at s in Liverpool. As part of my course I am

> conducting a study into what the UK construction industry is doing to

> combat the problem of SBS in new office developments. If anybody has

> any experiences in new offices or knows of any studies that have

> already been carried out I would be more than grateful. I need anything

> to do with new building techniques that constructon firms may have used

> and what success or not that they may have had in controlling the

> problem. Thank you very much for your help.

> PS I am not sure if my email address will show on this but it is

> darren.evans19@... <darren.evans19%40> just in case.

>

>

[Guest guest]

> I would suggest you focus on mold and not chemicals, as a suffer

I believe strongly most the complaints revolve around mold exposure

and their is indeed an epidemic with many victims so sick they can't

work anymore and everything in between. You could google mcs I

believe these people actually suffer from mold sensitivity it's just

that the symptoms feel so much like your being poisoned that the

victims mistake chemical exposures for mold (in my opinion)

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Hi ,

With respect to your opinion, I can speak as someone who was

poisoned by pesticides long before becoming sensitized to mold. The

distinction is crucial and there is important information these list

membes need to know.

The measurement of bad indoor air quality throughout this country

does not refer to , or even assess, mold presence. The EPA states

that indoor air quality is 2 to 5 times more polluted than outdoor

air based upon VOCs, semi-volatives etc. This is a universal as are

assessements documenting the amount of toxic chemicals on and around

buildings and measures (see CDC studies) documenting the hundreds of

toxic materials stored in the blood, urine and fact cells of men,

women and children around the country.

Multiple Chemical Sensitivity is not a suitable 'diagnosis' to use

when discussing poisoning. In fact, it is the diagnosis used most by

physicians when there is no actual proof of poisoning by specific

substances. It is a symptom constellation exhibited by individuals

in the presence of toxic chemicals but does not describe causal

events for it which allows 'opposition' industries to claim it is

caused by psychological factors. Most mold victims have been treated

to that terrible dismissal of their ailments in the past. Dismissing

the ravages of exposure to toxic chemicals is an open invitation for

industry to continue dismissing the ravages of mold induced illness.

For one thing, this group is still working very hard to show how

mycotoxins act upon the central nervous system and other organs in

the same manner as toxic chemicals. Mold, as you know, is usually

relegated to immune-mediated systems and as a causal factor in

infections. It does not account for the CNS dysfunctions which most

here are fighting to have recognized.

There are dozens of existing medical diagnostic categories which

doctors use with patients who can prove exposure and concommitant

medical testing showing damage typical of such chemicals. It would

be far more productive for mold victims to utilzie the same process

of testing for mycotoxins and demonstrating the damage done, instead

of denying or misattributing illnesses due to other toxic

substances. It is not a competition - this society is rife with

poisons. Exposure to pesticides kills. I have had friends die from

it and will have a very shortened lifespan myself. It isn't mold

that cost me 24 IQ points and a layer of my brain cells.

The answer to environmentally induced disease and damage is to

properly test both environments and patients in order to document

the case for treatment first, legal proceedings second if at all.

Only through strong documentation of clear cases will the medical

community finally accept cases which appear before them that must

be 'inferred' through examination because proofs aren't available.

This is an inductive process from the few to the many because

society won't accept the costs in stopping the poisoning or

improving construction until the cost of proven liability gets

higher than the cover-ups involved. Let's not help them ignore all

contributions to the phenomenon known as 'sick buildings'.

Sick indoor environments kill. Let's carefully explore all the

components of the issue and treat each as it deserves separately and

then in the even more lethal effects which stem from combinations of

such factors e.g. multiple chemical interactions, mold effects,

remediation efforts to 'improve' buildings which add toxicants etc.

Barb Rubin