Re: Proposal

[Guest guest]

, get on LDN now! I too have progressive MS and have been on LDN for 3 1/2 yrs. The first 21/2 yrs I stayed exactly the same with no progression.

I had slight progression last year and don't know if it is because I was on too high a dose or because I got the shingles. Anyway, since I am now on 4.5mgs and shingles are long gone, I am stable for a year again.

I was progressing rapidly befor LDN. In 1 1/2 yrs on Rebif, I went from almost normal to needing a cane and barely doing stairs, and walking very short distances. Had to get a wheelchair and scooter for any walk longer than 200ft.

Do yourself a favor and get it soon. Kiki

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I really am trying. The problem is my neurologist is a very analytical man and he wants more than internet emails and websites. He either wants clinical trials or Dr's proof. I am on my third neurologist and tired of looking for a better one. I think if I can provide him with the folder with information that is current and valid and even with a Dr in Iowa that prescribes maybe I might have a shot.

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I was wrong mine is primary progressive. He has me on Baclophen, and Amantadine plus I take Arimidex for breast cancer survivor.

On 1/11/07, noclue915@... <noclue915@...> wrote:

, get on LDN now! I too have progressive MS and have been on LDN for 3 1/2 yrs. The first 21/2 yrs I stayed exactly the same with no progression.

I had slight progression last year and don't know if it is because I was on too high a dose or because I got the shingles. Anyway, since I am now on 4.5mgs and shingles are long gone, I am stable for a year again.

I was progressing rapidly befor LDN. In 1 1/2 yrs on Rebif, I went from almost normal to needing a cane and barely doing stairs, and walking very short distances. Had to get a wheelchair and scooter for any walk longer than 200ft.

Do yourself a favor and get it soon. Kiki

[Guest guest]

>

> I really am trying. The problem is my neurologist is a very

analytical man

> and he wants more than internet emails and websites. He either wants

> clinical trials or Dr's proof. I am on my third neurologist and

tired of

> looking for a better one. I think if I can provide him with the

folder with

> information that is current and valid and even with a Dr in Iowa that

> prescribes maybe I might have a shot.

> Thanks for the vote of confidence. I was wrong mine is primary

progressive.

> He has me on Baclophen, and Amantadine plus I take Arimidex for

breast

> cancer survivor.

>

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Stop wasting your time on neurologists, they're worthless. Find you

an alternative medicine doctor. I didn't get better until I took my

own health into my own hands and put my health in the hands of a

wonderful alternative medicine doctor.

, LDN user 3 1/2 years for PRMS(diagnosed since 1989). 4.5mg

LDN has halted my PRMS dead in its tracks for 3 1/2 years now.

[Guest guest]

No and I am going to get one and give it to both my main care provider, my neurologist, and oncologyst. Just too many gyst in the pack...ha ha

in Iowa

[Guest guest]

, I understand your frustration, I'm using Avonex now, I haven't used LDN yet. I don't have the strength to start a data base, but I hope you can and will be able to convince neuro's to keep an open-mind when there is enough positive info on LDN. I understand Avonex & LDN don't mix, only copaxone can be used with LDN. Good luck on your health and LDN DATA-BASE, for any diseases it helps like MS, authortism,Parkinson's, dementia.

Nobody is going to get rich from using LDN, but it can help people so I hope other's can help by starting a data-base. Good luck! You can reach me at:Parmajak1@... June,I'm a grandmother with MS.

[low dose naltrexone] Proposal

I would love to see a database set up for each of the diseases that will members have used LDN. The database would have the members first name, email, using LDN, how long, results: na (not available),ok, good,would recommend,not great, poor, would not recommend. What pharmacy they currently get their prescriptions from and the date entered. If information changes then they could enter a second entry with a new date. This would help to save a lot of new folks like me from searching in vain for information on who they can contact in their regions. Plus help with her information. I do not currently take LDN but need information to give to my doctor to convince him to prescribe it for me. I have MS and have been one of the unfortunate folks with secondary progressive that they just pat on the head and say come back when you are worse. Little by little I loose more and more. Sometimes I just wish I could have an exasperation so they would not tell me I am not bad enough to treat. I have had this for 14 years and now have numb hands, feet and wobble when I walk or stand. Not complaining just tired of what will be gone tomorrow.LOL in Iowa

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> >

> > I really am trying. The problem is my neurologist is a very

> analytical man

> > and he wants more than internet emails and websites. He either

wants

> > clinical trials or Dr's proof. I am on my third neurologist and

> tired of

------------------------>

> Stop wasting your time on neurologists, they're worthless. Find you

> an alternative medicine doctor. I didn't get better until I took

>my own health into my own hands and put my health in the hands of a

>wonderful alternative medicine doctor.

-------------------------

I'll agree on this point. I've been to two neurologists. They were

both more or less useless. Both wanted to prescribe the CRABs. In

their world, that is the only option. Matter of fact, when I asked

about the naltrexone they got up and walked out!

I don't unerstand this. I did Rebif for a year then Copaxone for

several months. I thought that once I went through the FDA approved

CRAB meatgrinder they'd let me give naltrexone a try. They

said " no " . For both of them to have such a negative response, there

must be some sort of organizational heirarchy that tells them to say

firmly " no " . There is allegedly a neurologist about 2 hours north of

me that might prescribe the naltrexone. I ended up going to a local

alternative type of physician to get my script.

mileage may vary

Real

[Guest guest]

real is  right about this. ifr you need help finding a doctor let me know offline at psychrn@...cyndiOn Jan 12, 2007, at 4:41 PM, alrightguy123 wrote:> >> > I really am trying. The problem is my neurologist is a very > analytical man> > and he wants more than internet emails and websites. He either wants> > clinical trials or Dr's proof. I am on my third neurologist and > tired of------------------------> > Stop wasting your time on neurologists, they're worthless. Find you > an alternative medicine doctor. I didn't get better until I took >my own health into my own hands and put my health in the hands of a >wonderful alternative medicine doctor.-------------------------I'll agree on this point. I've been to two neurologists. They were both more or less useless. Both wanted to prescribe the CRABs. In their world, that is the only option. Matter of fact, when I asked about the naltrexone they got up and walked out! I don't unerstand this. I did Rebif for a year then Copaxone for several months. I thought that once I went through the FDA approved CRAB meatgrinder they'd let me give naltrexone a try. They said "no". For both of them to have such a negative response, there must be some sort of organizational heirarchy that tells them to say firmly "no". There is allegedly a neurologist about 2 hours north of me that might prescribe the naltrexone. I ended up going to a local alternative type of physician to get my script.mileage may varyReal

[Guest guest]

I think the money factor is one that is a real culprit.

I lived in three apartments in a row that had mold issues - all buildings were

different ages and in different Los Angeles locations. The common denominator

was that they were rentals and the landlords saw them as 'income' property,

which meant that they had an anti-out-go policy in terms of repairs. First one

cleaned a carpet and didn't open doors and windows so the padding molded.

Second one had a sewer pipe leak underneath and other maintenance issues that

let water in through the roof and walls. Third one allowed the wooden window

frames to be termite-eaten and water got in the walls that way and there was a

problem on the roof that allowed water intrusion during rain storms. Location

had nothing to do with any of those situations. Greed did.

~Haley

[Guest guest]

I am in Delaware and am in my 5th water damaged rental. All had

dangerous mold. I have not tested this place. How many times do we have

to move. The place before this one didn't have water damage but had

chemicals constantly coming into my place though the vents, drains, and

windows. In Delaware they now give you a paper saying there is no mold.

In October I woke to a brown spot on one bathroom ceiling about a yard

in width. The landlord walked in and mumbled something and left. The

next day my husband was layed off. The landlord is letting us catch up

on rent slowly so I feel like I am in the middle of this with my

illness. At one point I called and was crying and told them about my

illness, finally he came and went upstairs and fixed the leak two

months later. But the damage is still there. Very afraid when the

weather heats up.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've thought about this very thing especially as my husband and I get older.

We don't live in a huge home but as we age the house will become too large

for us. Right now our son still lives at home (21) but won't last long. Yard

work, house maintenance, utilities, etc. We have seen many of the 55 and over

condos going up but they scare me to death.My worst nightmare is the person

above, beside or below me takes an extended vacation and something begins to

leak! Then their problem is your problem.

I have often thought it would be nice if we (environmentally sick) could

have our own communities to live safe and secure. What a wonderful feeling that

would be! No nightmares, no worries or concerns. People would all understand

each other and we wouldn't have to constantly explain ourselves and others

wouldn't think we are crazy. May be our dream can come true one day!

I don't think a day goes by that I don't think of all of us and our

situations. I see the big picture and every time I listen or read the news it

becomes

more frightening. Doesn't the rest of the world see what is happening?

I don't think it's lal a land and this group is certainly a start to that

dream!! Even if it's smaller groups living together to start the dream moving in

the right direction. May be even a bed and breakfast near one of the

treating Drs.!!

Sue

I am confused. What exactly is the proposal about??? I know I am not the

first one with the idea but if I had it my way I would buy a large area of land

somewhere and begin to start a cult, I mean a safe zone where people can

reside in a camp if you will, with metal bulidings, campers, tents what have

you

that is designed in a way that the modern day type of living would not affect

us. Ther e would always be a place for those who have the option of comeing

and starting over when otherwise they had no option but to stay in thier

toxic envirenment. I could get overly detailed about the idea but I think you

get

the idea. I think eventually this may be a reality if planned correctly and

could probobly gets lots of support. I know there are many of us that this

would be the best thing that could happen to us. The support within would be

just what most need to begin a real recovery without haveing to worry if the

next place is going to bring more of the same problems. I have put

much thought into this idea over the last couple of years and this waas the

first thing I thought of when I reAd this post all be it I am probobly in la

la land.

Anyway thought I would share that with everyone.

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Living in any agricultural region means living with high levels of

pesticide exposure/drift from farms and orchards etc. Grapes are

among the more highly treated landscapes and drift runs one to six

miles depending upon methods of spraying (ground to aerial methods).

Keep this in mind when relocating. Pesticides damage every imaginable

system. Golf courses use as much, or more, than farms do as well.

Barb Rubin

[Guest guest]

I am confused. What exactly is the proposal about??? I know I am not the first

one with the idea but if I had it my way I would buy a large area of land

somewhere and begin to start a cult, I mean a safe zone where people can reside

in a camp if you will, with metal bulidings, campers, tents what have you that

is designed in a way that the modern day type of living would not affect us.

Ther e would always be a place for those who have the option of comeing and

starting over when otherwise they had no option but to stay in thier toxic

envirenment. I could get overly detailed about the idea but I think you get the

idea. I think eventually this may be a reality if planned correctly and could

probobly gets lots of support. I know there are many of us that this would be

the best thing that could happen to us. The support within would be just what

most need to begin a real recovery without haveing to worry if the next place is

going to bring more of the same problems. I have put

much thought into this idea over the last couple of years and this waas the

first thing I thought of when I reAd this post all be it I am probobly in la la

land.

Anyway thought I would share that with everyone.

Michal <michalvictoria@...> wrote:

[Guest guest]

Hi Michal,

I have lived in various states. Here's my take and mostly based on ersonal

experience unless otherwise states. (I do have mold, pollen and various

sensitvities including mild mcs):

Upstate NY (Albany/Hudson Valley region) - Mold was not bad there. The problems

there were more about high pollen counts and acid rain causing pollution.

Hawaii - There are many climates on each island from dry to tropical. I lived in

Hilo on the Big Isle and the mold was awful. Had mold growing on my shoes! It

could rain non-stop for weeks at a time. Much of the rest of the isle can suffer

from what we call " Vog " ; gases from the volcano which can be highly toxic. I

also lived for a while on Oahu in Kailua and found that to be much more

hospitalble. I had minimal problems with mold and allergies, although I knew

people who suffered there as well.

Virginia - I lived mainly in Central Virginia where there is supposed to be

black mold in the soil. I had problems in two homes that had crawl spaces, but

not in one that had a dry basement. Allergies were bad for me there until I

started going to a 5 element acupuncturist while living there and the allergies

were almost nil.

land - I have lived in western and central land which is considered by

locals to be a part of the " sinus belt " . I had some allergy problems with pollen

but not mold.

We now live on the lower eastern shore of land, which is not a good place

for anyone with mcs, mold, pollen allergies and is also quite polluted due to

overfarming, chicken farms. The area has a high rate of heart disease and

cancer. In part it is due to alot of people having bad diets (that is what the

doctors say), but the pollution levels, viruses from chickens and high levels of

mold are what I would say the real reasons for problems there.

Hope this is helpful

> From: Michal <michalvictoria@...>

> Subject: [] Proposal

>

> Date: Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 12:29 AM

> It would be especially helpful to hear from people who

> have moved multiple times in the same area, or those

> who can draw a " pattern " from their experiences.

> Also

> those blessed with finding safe homes!-where the heck

> do you live?!

> Let's do it!!

>

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[Guest guest]

The proposal was merely that we start a list of the

indoor mold situation for different locations across

the US, based on our own experiences...that way when

someone has to move they get a heads up on where they

might have a better chance of finding a safe house and

where others suggest to avoid..of course this is

based on our experiences and not the scientific final

word. I find myself woefully unsure of where to take

the risk of moving to, and I thought others might

share this problem-and, I thought, we might be able to

help eachother with this.

However, your idea is good too! Who knows better how

to construct safe houses than we do?

I'd just like to focus on the list right now though,

since it can be done right now.

Hope this helps..

--- UnitedStatesVet <unitedstatesvet@...> wrote:

> I am confused. What exactly is the proposal about???

> I know I am not the first one with the idea but if I

> had it my way I would buy a large area of land

> somewhere and begin to start a cult, I mean a safe

> zone where people can reside in a camp if you will,

> with metal bulidings, campers, tents what have you

> that is designed in a way that the modern day type

> of living would not affect us. Ther e would always

> be a place for those who have the option of comeing

> and starting over when otherwise they had no option

> but to stay in thier toxic envirenment. I could get

> overly detailed about the idea but I think you get

> the idea. I think eventually this may be a reality

> if planned correctly and could probobly gets lots of

> support. I know there are many of us that this would

> be the best thing that could happen to us. The

> support within would be just what most need to begin

> a real recovery without haveing to worry if the next

> place is going to bring more of the same problems. I

> have put

> much thought into this idea over the last couple of

> years and this waas the first thing I thought of

> when I reAd this post all be it I am probobly in la

> la land.

> Anyway thought I would share that with everyone.

>

> Michal <michalvictoria@...> wrote:

>

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[Guest guest]

This was a topic of a movie, wasn't it, about a group who were

chemically sensitive? I thought I saw a movie like that.

I think there should be a 'safe house' in every major city to house

people whose homes are water damaged until they can be fixed, or find

another place. Of course SOMEONE would have to admit that this

HAPPENS!!! More work has to be done on my home and when weather is of

kind that enhances problems, I'm afraid to inhale in my own home. My

home has come REAL far though from where it was and I've gotten to the

point when I know by the weather report when my home will be bad for

me, and stay at a hotel for that day or two. Come summer, every day

will be bad, so I'm working every day on it. Everything I have is

invested in the home. AT LEAST IT'S PAID OFF THOUGH.

Regarding 'where'. There are a couple people here who have moved

around from city to city. If you do a search of messages you will find

them. One is in New Mexico, Dean, who used to live in North or

South Carolina I believe, and one in Colorado..can't recall that

couple's name at the moment. Maybe they will post. Of course I'm sure

there are healthy homes in every city. I am convinced that more homes

are unhealthy than healthy, but maybe that is just 'for me', since I've

become sick, but that's my opinion at least.

>

>

> I've thought about this very thing especially as my husband and I

get older.

> We

[Guest guest]

Yes, the movie is called " SAFE " with nne , by Todd Haynes. Not an

exact portrail of our problem but it was a decent movie.

barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote: This was a topic of a movie,

wasn't it, about a group who were

chemically sensitive? I thought I saw a movie like that.

I think there should be a 'safe house' in every major city to house

people whose homes are water damaged until they can be fixed, or find

another place. Of course SOMEONE would have to admit that this

HAPPENS!!! More work has to be done on my home and when weather is of

kind that enhances problems, I'm afraid to inhale in my own home. My

home has come REAL far though from where it was and I've gotten to the

point when I know by the weather report when my home will be bad for

me, and stay at a hotel for that day or two. Come summer, every day

will be bad, so I'm working every day on it. Everything I have is

invested in the home. AT LEAST IT'S PAID OFF THOUGH.

Regarding 'where'. There are a couple people here who have moved

around from city to city. If you do a search of messages you will find

them. One is in New Mexico, Dean, who used to live in North or

South Carolina I believe, and one in Colorado..can't recall that

couple's name at the moment. Maybe they will post. Of course I'm sure

there are healthy homes in every city. I am convinced that more homes

are unhealthy than healthy, but maybe that is just 'for me', since I've

become sick, but that's my opinion at least.

>

>

> I've thought about this very thing especially as my husband and I

get older.

> We

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[Guest guest]

This is all very helpful information..everyone please

keep it coming..I'll write a list based on your

feedback of locations and " ratings " , show # of moves

in a particular location of person commenting, and

helpful comments that were said. A friend of mine who

is mold sick as well and has to move is very

interested in our " results " .

By the way, I too believe there are safe houses in

most places, but when you are risking everything to

pick up and move somewhere, it's nice to know where

the odds are better or worse...

Thank you all who are participating...!

--- barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote:

> This was a topic of a movie, wasn't it, about a

> group who were

> chemically sensitive? I thought I saw a movie like

> that.

> I think there should be a 'safe house' in every

> major city to house

> people whose homes are water damaged until they can

> be fixed, or find

> another place. Of course SOMEONE would have to

> admit that this

> HAPPENS!!! More work has to be done on my home and

> when weather is of

> kind that enhances problems, I'm afraid to inhale in

> my own home. My

> home has come REAL far though from where it was and

> I've gotten to the

> point when I know by the weather report when my home

> will be bad for

> me, and stay at a hotel for that day or two. Come

> summer, every day

> will be bad, so I'm working every day on it.

> Everything I have is

> invested in the home. AT LEAST IT'S PAID OFF

> THOUGH.

> Regarding 'where'. There are a couple people here

> who have moved

> around from city to city. If you do a search of

> messages you will find

> them. One is in New Mexico, Dean, who used to

> live in North or

> South Carolina I believe, and one in Colorado..can't

> recall that

> couple's name at the moment. Maybe they will post.

> Of course I'm sure

> there are healthy homes in every city. I am

> convinced that more homes

> are unhealthy than healthy, but maybe that is just

> 'for me', since I've

> become sick, but that's my opinion at least.

>

>

> >

> >

> > I've thought about this very thing especially as

> my husband and I

> get older.

> > We

>

>

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[Guest guest]

> >

> >

> > The movie was called Safe and it is one of my all time favorite

movies because I watched it BEFORE I got sick and thought " Oh my god,

this is awful. " And then when I got sick I remembered the movie and

how the MCS progressed until nne (the actress starring in

the film) couldn't wear make up or do her regular shopping without

getting sick. And then she goes to the hospital...and NOBODY believes

her! (I won't reveal the end of the movie, just in cae you watch it,

but it is really realistic.)

It was so prescient. Todd Haynes directed the movie and he was just so

subtle and on the mark with her MCS.

Please run out and get a copy of this movie-it is wonderful.

[Guest guest]

Here is thread about 'Dan and Carmella' travels to find a less moldy

environment. It is message 51173, you can put in message search box

at group home page and read the whole thread:

>

> ,

>

> We didn't really select Trinidad, CO as our final destination.

We were looking for a campground to park for the holiday weekend as

everything was already reserved where we were. It ended up that

Trinidad is full to, we are staying at an NRA campground just inside

the NM border.

>

> We are travelling and spending a few days at different places

to see if it has the atmosphere, (physically and socially), that is

suitable for us. We may end up in Raton NM or Colorado Springs.

>

> We're boondocking on Holiday Inns Wifi at the moment and

getting ready to head to our camp. Don't know if we will get online

every day, but when we do get settled, we'll go in to detail about

our trip, the places where we took severe mold hits, etc. The

Southwest is not necessarily mold free, but some areas are more prone

due to their building techniques, etc.

>

> Will be back in touch soon.

>

> Dan & Carmella Dunkin

>

>

[Guest guest]

Here is a post by Dean who settled in 'Truth or Consequences,

NM' from the east coast. However in post 55602 she refers to NM as

moldy also, so guess she just likes it because it is possible to

spend alot of time out of doors as best as I can tell. You could

email her directly for questions as to how she is doing now. I

haven't seen her post in awhile.

Message #54688:

--- In , " carondeen " <kdeanstudios@...>

wrote:

>

> I moved to Truth or Consequences, NM-and although my house has not

> worked out for me, I can heartily recommend the area-If you plan on

> spending alot of time out of doors-this is the place-except for

July

> and August-when it is hot-and rains-and Jan -cold- you can live

> outside the rest of the time-prices are extremely cheap-and NM has

> state run health insurance-they cover everyone-and you can get them

> to pay for 75% of it. Camping in NM can be totally free- for the

> summer you can move to the mountains. And the hot springs totally

> remove toxin from your skin-the water in general is alkaline-very

> good for washing toxic clothes. I have asked about vally fever many

> times-they do not have it like in Ca. and arizona-Arizona is

> expensive and hotter-and is becomingmore humid all the time.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This sounds awsome. I love the Colorado air. It has been mentioned that North

Arazona is a good area for this situation as well.

barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote: Here is thread about 'Dan and

Carmella' travels to find a less moldy

environment. It is message 51173, you can put in message search box

at group home page and read the whole thread:

>

> ,

>

> We didn't really select Trinidad, CO as our final destination.

We were looking for a campground to park for the holiday weekend as

everything was already reserved where we were. It ended up that

Trinidad is full to, we are staying at an NRA campground just inside

the NM border.

>

> We are travelling and spending a few days at different places

to see if it has the atmosphere, (physically and socially), that is

suitable for us. We may end up in Raton NM or Colorado Springs.

>

> We're boondocking on Holiday Inns Wifi at the moment and

getting ready to head to our camp. Don't know if we will get online

every day, but when we do get settled, we'll go in to detail about

our trip, the places where we took severe mold hits, etc. The

Southwest is not necessarily mold free, but some areas are more prone

due to their building techniques, etc.

>

> Will be back in touch soon.

>

> Dan & Carmella Dunkin

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you! Tomorrow I'm going to try to follow up on

the recent updates. I had to check out for a couple

of days because my aunt had an accident and is in the

hospital..I have been grieving..sorry dropped the ball

for awhile..

--- barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote:

> Here is a post by Dean who settled in 'Truth

> or Consequences,

> NM' from the east coast. However in post 55602 she

> refers to NM as

> moldy also, so guess she just likes it because it is

> possible to

> spend alot of time out of doors as best as I can

> tell. You could

> email her directly for questions as to how she is

> doing now. I

> haven't seen her post in awhile.

>

> Message #54688:

>

>

> >

> > I moved to Truth or Consequences, NM-and although

> my house has not

> > worked out for me, I can heartily recommend the

> area-If you plan on

> > spending alot of time out of doors-this is the

> place-except for

> July

> > and August-when it is hot-and rains-and Jan -cold-

> you can live

> > outside the rest of the time-prices are extremely

> cheap-and NM has

> > state run health insurance-they cover everyone-and

> you can get them

> > to pay for 75% of it. Camping in NM can be totally

> free- for the

> > summer you can move to the mountains. And the hot

> springs totally

> > remove toxin from your skin-the water in general

> is alkaline-very

> > good for washing toxic clothes. I have asked about

> vally fever many

> > times-they do not have it like in Ca. and

> arizona-Arizona is

> > expensive and hotter-and is becomingmore humid all

> the time.

> >

> >

> >

>

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Sorry to ask, but I tried doing a search on the group site with the numbers as

listed and can't get anything. Any suggestions? I know I'm missing something

here. Sorry, again.

Thanks,

>

> > Here is a post by Dean who settled in 'Truth

> > or Consequences,

> > NM' from the east coast. However in post 55602

> she

> > refers to NM as

> > moldy also, so guess she just likes it because it is

> > possible to

> > spend alot of time out of doors as best as I can

> > tell. You could

> > email her directly for questions as to how she is

> > doing now. I

> > haven't seen her post in awhile.

> >

> > Message #54688:

> >

> >

> > >

> > > I moved to Truth or Consequences, NM-and although

> > my house has not

> > > worked out for me, I can heartily recommend the

> > area-If you plan on

> > > spending alot of time out of doors-this is the

> > place-except for

> > July

> > > and August-when it is hot-and rains-and Jan

> -cold-

> > you can live

> > > outside the rest of the time-prices are extremely

> > cheap-and NM has

> > > state run health insurance-they cover

> everyone-and

> > you can get them

> > > to pay for 75% of it. Camping in NM can be

> totally

> > free- for the

> > > summer you can move to the mountains. And the hot

> > springs totally

> > > remove toxin from your skin-the water in general

> > is alkaline-very

> > > good for washing toxic clothes. I have asked

> about

> > vally fever many

> > > times-they do not have it like in Ca. and

> > arizona-Arizona is

> > > expensive and hotter-and is becomingmore humid

> all

> > the time.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

No problem. Be sure to put the number is the 'message number' search

box and not the regular search box. Put '54688' into 'message number'

search box. It's the smaller box.

Below the post should be all the responses to the thread.

I found the posts by searching the words 'NM' and 'Colorado' since I

remember those two states have been discussed under this topic.

--- In , Eagle <jacobadler123@...>

wrote:

>

> Sorry to ask, but I tried doing a search on the group site with the

numbers as listed and can't get anything. Any suggestions? I know I'm

missing something here. Sorry, again.

>

> Thanks,

>

[Guest guest]

Not sure what geographic area you are in, but that varies. Dome

private practice RDs lease space within the MDs or groups space, and they keep

all their revenue. Then it is up to the RD what his/her margin might be- not up

to the MDs volume.

There are benefits and detractions for both set ups.

Contacting the managers and stakeholders is the only way to be

proactive in discovering what your options are.

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of S

Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 7:57 PM

Subject: Proposal

I was wondering if anyone has an example proposal/contract between a

private practice RD and a Bariatric Surgeon who will be teaching bariatric sx

pts in a surgeon's office? I am looking for ideas for the proposal. Such as the

RD will charge the patient $XXX with a X% going to the Surgeon each month for

using office space/staff/copier etc. I am not sure what is the

appropriate % for office space in relation to seeing 100% of his pre/post op sx

pts as well as those pts who cannot have sx for one reason or another.

Thank you for your time,

Sjostrom, RD

Nutrition by , LLC

www.nutritionbyjoey.com