Re: Colloidal Silver {generator }

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In a message dated 2/18/2012 5:32:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

jonellis.stevens77@... writes:

For those of you who are making your own colloidal silver, anyone want to

> recommend the best machine to make it? And perhaps someone can explain

to

> me the difference between colloidal silver and the very small nano

> particles found in things like Meso Silver.

>

> thanks,

> mara

Hi Mara, I have the " silver puppy " & love it...It's simple, easy & makes

great CS...Just made 3 quarts today.It is sold by a member of the silver

list.. & he's always available to answer questions....Lois

_Coyote ZEnterprise Silver Puppy Colloidal Silver Generator_

(http://www.silvermedicine.org/silverpuppy-generators.html)

[Guest guest]

Thanks! I have heard good things about the silver puppy. Do you know if it

makes nano silver?

mara

>

> In a message dated 2/18/2012 5:32:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> jonellis.stevens77@... writes:

>

> For those of you who are making your own colloidal silver, anyone want to

> > recommend the best machine to make it? And perhaps someone can explain

> to

> > me the difference between colloidal silver and the very small nano

> > particles found in things like Meso Silver.

> >

> > thanks,

> > mara

>

> Hi Mara, I have the " silver puppy " & love it...It's simple, easy & makes

> great CS...Just made 3 quarts today.It is sold by a member of the silver

> list.. & he's always available to answer questions....Lois

> _Coyote ZEnterprise Silver Puppy Colloidal Silver Generator_

> (http://www.silvermedicine.org/silverpuppy-generators.html)

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/19/2012 9:37:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

roundaboutfarm@... writes:

Thanks! I have heard good things about the silver puppy. Do you know if

it makes nano silver?

mara

Hi Mara, I haven't read all the posts on nano silver but as I recall the

CS we can make with our puppy is as good. Are you a member of the

" silverlist " ? If not it would be a great place to toss that question out..May

even

be info in the archives... Lois.

Here's the link---- _Silver List Home Page_ (http://www.silverlist.org/)

also found the link to the archive for nano silver posts...

_nano silver_

(http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=nano+silver & l=silver-listeskimo) ---

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It always amazes me when folks would rather BUY than to learn !!!

Of course I am equally certain of the gratefulness that profiteers hold towards

those who buy their gadgets for 100's of $$$ when they can make better and spend

much less...kidding, of course...

As for me, if I have any $ I'd much rather spend it on good silver wire,

ingredients for Lugol's, DMSO, or other things which help in getting & staying

healthy directly.

(But that's just me.)

mark

PS: I make CS (which I call silver water) by the gallon, strong, clear & stable.

I also have NO purchased 'generator' of ANY sort & have never needed one.

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In a message dated 2/19/2012 12:25:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

scorn4yoohoo@... writes:

Of course I am equally certain of the gratefulness that profiteers hold

towards those who buy their gadgets for 100's of $$$ when they can make

better and spend much less...kidding, of course...

As for me, if I have any $ I'd much rather spend it on good silver wire,

ingredients for Lugol's, DMSO, or other things which help in getting &

staying healthy directly.

(But that's just me.)

Hi Mark, I agree-- Just got lazy & bought the puppy.. :-)... My first

generator was 4 nine volt batteries--a meter--wire--silver wire--distilled

water & a quart jar..It worked great for a long time { about 2 years + }

--until like I say--I got lazy.....Now you have me curious--How did you make

yours to make a gallon ?? & be gentle, you are writing to an old gal who can

tear an engine apart & do a valve & ring job but when it comes to electricity

I don't know a volt from a watt. :-) Lois

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Hi Mark,

Some of us are more technical than others….;-)

Having said that, I'm still learning about CS. The only silver I have used is

Meso which was prescribed by my doc. As I started to research this because Meso

was so expensive, I found out that there are several different kinds of Silver.

My doc. recommended the Meso because of the smaller particle size. I recently

read an article about the different kinds of silver which indicated that there

is a different process used to make nano silver. In fact, I believe the article

stated that none of the commercially available silver makers made actual nano

silver like Meso. I will see if I can find the article and post it. This is

all new information for me and I'm still learning and eager to hear others

recommendations.

Thanks,

Mara

> It always amazes me when folks would rather BUY than to learn !!!

>

> Of course I am equally certain of the gratefulness that profiteers hold

towards those who buy their gadgets for 100's of $$$ when they can make better

and spend much less...kidding, of course...

>

> As for me, if I have any $ I'd much rather spend it on good silver wire,

ingredients for Lugol's, DMSO, or other things which help in getting & staying

healthy directly.

> (But that's just me.)

>

> mark

>

> PS: I make CS (which I call silver water) by the gallon, strong, clear &

stable. I also have NO purchased 'generator' of ANY sort & have never needed

one.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the link to the Silver List! I will check them out!

mara

>

> In a message dated 2/19/2012 9:37:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> roundaboutfarm@... writes:

>

> Thanks! I have heard good things about the silver puppy. Do you know if

> it makes nano silver?

> mara

>

> Hi Mara, I haven't read all the posts on nano silver but as I recall the

> CS we can make with our puppy is as good. Are you a member of the

> " silverlist " ? If not it would be a great place to toss that question out..May

even

> be info in the archives... Lois.

> Here's the link---- _Silver List Home Page_ (http://www.silverlist.org/)

> also found the link to the archive for nano silver posts...

> _nano silver_

> (http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=nano+silver & l=silver-listeskimo)

---

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Mara.

I wonder if what I posted in reply here to you before ever was seen ?

(It was Message #20082, and I'll paste it in below...)

Understood:

> Some of us are more technical than others….;-)

And I know I am more technical than many as well - but what I've done for the

most part is incredibly simple & non-technical.

I confess:

> The only silver I have used is Meso which was prescribed by my doc. As I

started to research this because Meso was so expensive, I found out that there

are several different kinds of Silver. My doc. recommended the Meso because of

the smaller particle size.

Truly & openly=> whenever ANYONE mixes ANYTHING remotely 'medical' with a profit

motive, my (mostly internal) response is so distrustful & disdainful as to

almost be genuinely hostile !!!

Having said that - there are a few solid facts which should supercede all the

hoooey about 'particle sizes', ready ?

1. The body knows how to use silver - UNLESS it is in severe excess.

2. Most or all types of silver water get to the stomach, and NO farther.

3. Medicos LOOOOVE to toss around the 'threat' of argyria (to those who believe

them...) from using silver products - as if it is an actual illness, but it

ain't. (It is a purely cosmetic condition.)

To back this up - I've been using GALLONS of silver water for a couple of years

now and I am NOT discoloured AT ALL !!!

(And for the record, silver alone was not strong enough to break the mold's hold

upon my body, so I branched out but still use it daily).

Old reply mentioned above:

Re: Colloidal Silver { where to get info.}

Hi Mara.

You wrote:

> For those of you who are making your own colloidal silver, anyone want to

recommend the best machine to make it?

The one you make yourself !!!

All the supposed 'gurus' are selling silliness to folks whose fear of (their own

& imagined...) lack of skills has them spending 100's for nonsense.

The idea is simple:

To get non-metallic silver into one's body.

All it takes is the right water, a little silver wire, and some current...presto

= silver water !!!

Sure:

> And perhaps someone can explain to me the difference between colloidal silver

and the very small nano particles found in things like Meso Silver.

Ready ?

More silliness combined with techie-speak and a great sales pitch.

Look at the history of the plague - and who (mostly) survived it ?

The 'blue bloods' - the rich folks who were super healthy (despite argyria)

whose servants put ground-up silver into their wine for them.

Funny how they knew nothing about nano - meso - ionic - colloidal stuff, and

just kept living anyhow, Aye ?

A long time ago I asked alot of taboo questions about making my own CS - and

kept getting replies saying 'NO NO NO - you'll kill yourself - you'll

electrocute yourself - YOU'LL TURN BLUE !!!!!'

(Except for the info from 2 very brave and soft-spoken folks.)

Well, here I be - I'm NOT blue (nor in any way discoloured), I'm loads

healthier, and I did NOT spend 100's (that I didn't have) on some fancy-shmancy

doodad that does what anyone can do super easily.

Oh yes, and I've tried to spread what I learned too - but it seems nowadays that

folks would prefer to BUY rather than -learn- and I gave up trying...

Best Wishes to All !

mark

[Guest guest]

Hi Lois & Kore.

And how cool is this ?!!!:

> I agree-- Just got lazy & bought the puppy.. :-)... My first

generator was 4 nine volt batteries--a meter--wire--silver wire--distilled

water & a quart jar..It worked great for a long time { about 2 years + }

--until like I say--I got lazy.....Now you have me curious--How did you make

yours to make a gallon ?? & be gentle, you are writing to an old gal who can

tear an engine apart & do a valve & ring job but when it comes to electricity I

don't know a volt from a watt. :-)

I salute you Lois !!!

Too few certified MECHANICS today can even manage to do that work (correctly &

affordably) anymore, so that is WAY COOL !!!

As to my learning process, it went like this...

I was 100% completely broke and a very, very nice man shared 2 bits of silver

wire with me when I'd posted to a list he was on.

Knowing how batteries don't last, I cobbled together my own current source from

a 30VDC wall-wart and proceeded with care.

Over some months I noticed that despite the care & attention it got, my (quart)

batches were not staying consistently clear enough for my liking; also - the wee

thing made less than I needed to use - so it was time to learn better...

I researched the silverlist, and found Terry Chamberlin's old posts about using

120VDC for making it in 5 gallon batches.

When I contacted him, he advised me how to make a smaller version of his current

supply, and I did that.

It made nice gallons for me - but very slowly.

I then found this site:

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/colloidal_silver.html

His name is Duncan Crow - and back then he was still selling the CS he made, for

a better price than anyone else, but he's removed that from his site now...

Mr. Crow made a machine for this from an old microwave oven and a rolled-out

silver bar - and said his CS was ALWAYS clear & stable.

Great - but I had no way to get that much silver nor to have it rolled out, and

when I contacted him he INSISTED that using the bar was ESSENTIAL. (Waaaah.)

I also found an extremely verbose (but unhelpful) man via youtube who posted

only semi-useful instructions along the same lines - and spoke with him at

length via phone, which was a total waste of time as all I got from that time &

effort was a headache and a sore ear !!!

Coincidentally I came into ownership of an older (knob-style) microwave oven

with a bad magnetron tube soon after.

And soon after that I decided it was time to test my own thoughts.

TaaDaa !

You see=> Duncan had said that the high voltage & current would BLAST the silver

off a wire due to decreased surface area; and I carried this 2 steps further by

adding ways to limit current...so:

I tore down the microwave & mounted it's power supply to a box, and when

connecting the correct polarity to the silver wire, I placed not only a sturdy

resistor in that line, but a very thin copper wire.

Also, knowing this would help - I placed a (new, cleaned) fish tank air stone

with a strong air supply so it would enshroud the single silver wire in air

bubbles whenever the current was on, thereby adding more resistance to the

water.

I also discovered to run the source at 50% power for no more than 10 minutes per

'shot' until my PPM meter read about 12-13, which likely indicates that it's

about double that strength according to Ode Coyote himself.

This is how & what I use to make gallons, and though it does use up my single

10 " silver wire in about 2 month's time, it yields silver water which starts &

stays clear by the gallon in about 1/2 hour per batch (excluding cleaning time).

I decant it through a coffee filter via a tiny hose, dry the coffee filters and

mix that dust with EVCO to make a very nice ointment too.

Anyone wanting one of these setups who lives close enough to Vermont is welcome

to bring their parts here & I'll be happy to help them make one like mine, if

desired.

I hope that helps !

mark

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Mark,

thanks for this information. I found the article I referred to earlier and will

be very interested in your take on it (and anyone else who cares to chime in).

I do want to say that my Doc. does not sell the Meso Silver and makes no profit

on it. He recommends it because he has found it to be the most effective. I

share your suspicions re " profit motive " , but in this case, they are unfounded.

And, if I understand the article correctly, the smaller particle size does make

a difference. But let me know your thoughts.

http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html

thanks,

Mara

> Hi Mara.

> I wonder if what I posted in reply here to you before ever was seen ?

> (It was Message #20082, and I'll paste it in below...)

>

> Understood:

> > Some of us are more technical than others….;-)

>

> And I know I am more technical than many as well - but what I've done for the

most part is incredibly simple & non-technical.

>

> I confess:

> > The only silver I have used is Meso which was prescribed by my doc. As I

started to research this because Meso was so expensive, I found out that there

are several different kinds of Silver. My doc. recommended the Meso because of

the smaller particle size.

>

> Truly & openly=> whenever ANYONE mixes ANYTHING remotely 'medical' with a

profit motive, my (mostly internal) response is so distrustful & disdainful as

to almost be genuinely hostile !!!

>

> Having said that - there are a few solid facts which should supercede all the

hoooey about 'particle sizes', ready ?

>

> 1. The body knows how to use silver - UNLESS it is in severe excess.

>

> 2. Most or all types of silver water get to the stomach, and NO farther.

>

> 3. Medicos LOOOOVE to toss around the 'threat' of argyria (to those who

believe them...) from using silver products - as if it is an actual illness, but

it ain't. (It is a purely cosmetic condition.)

>

> To back this up - I've been using GALLONS of silver water for a couple of

years now and I am NOT discoloured AT ALL !!!

> (And for the record, silver alone was not strong enough to break the mold's

hold upon my body, so I branched out but still use it daily).

>

> Old reply mentioned above:

>

> Re: Colloidal Silver { where to get info.}

>

> Hi Mara.

>

> You wrote:

> > For those of you who are making your own colloidal silver, anyone want to

recommend the best machine to make it?

>

> The one you make yourself !!!

> All the supposed 'gurus' are selling silliness to folks whose fear of (their

own & imagined...) lack of skills has them spending 100's for nonsense.

>

> The idea is simple:

> To get non-metallic silver into one's body.

>

> All it takes is the right water, a little silver wire, and some

current...presto = silver water !!!

>

> Sure:

> > And perhaps someone can explain to me the difference between colloidal

silver and the very small nano particles found in things like Meso Silver.

>

> Ready ?

> More silliness combined with techie-speak and a great sales pitch.

>

> Look at the history of the plague - and who (mostly) survived it ?

> The 'blue bloods' - the rich folks who were super healthy (despite argyria)

whose servants put ground-up silver into their wine for them.

>

> Funny how they knew nothing about nano - meso - ionic - colloidal stuff, and

just kept living anyhow, Aye ?

>

> A long time ago I asked alot of taboo questions about making my own CS - and

kept getting replies saying 'NO NO NO - you'll kill yourself - you'll

electrocute yourself - YOU'LL TURN BLUE !!!!!'

> (Except for the info from 2 very brave and soft-spoken folks.)

>

> Well, here I be - I'm NOT blue (nor in any way discoloured), I'm loads

> healthier, and I did NOT spend 100's (that I didn't have) on some

fancy-shmancy doodad that does what anyone can do super easily.

>

> Oh yes, and I've tried to spread what I learned too - but it seems nowadays

that folks would prefer to BUY rather than -learn- and I gave up trying...

>

> Best Wishes to All !

>

> mark

>

>

[Guest guest]

Mark,

The thin in-line wire is doing nothing in your circuit. The resistor is

probably doing nothing as well, unless it is a very high value. You would have

to figure out the voltage you have on the power supply and the current you want

and then calculate what you need for a resistor. Apparently, you know neither.

Then you would have to acquire the correct wattage resistor in order to

dissipate any heat developed in the resistor. Most likely what is having the

most effect is reducing the power level, which you can do in some older

microwaves.

Dan

>

> Hi Lois & Kore.

>

> And how cool is this ?!!!:

> > I agree-- Just got lazy & bought the puppy.. :-)... My first

> generator was 4 nine volt batteries--a meter--wire--silver wire--distilled

water & a quart jar..It worked great for a long time { about 2 years + }

--until like I say--I got lazy.....Now you have me curious--How did you make

yours to make a gallon ?? & be gentle, you are writing to an old gal who can

tear an engine apart & do a valve & ring job but when it comes to electricity I

don't know a volt from a watt. :-)

>

> I salute you Lois !!!

> Too few certified MECHANICS today can even manage to do that work (correctly &

affordably) anymore, so that is WAY COOL !!!

>

> As to my learning process, it went like this...

>

> I was 100% completely broke and a very, very nice man shared 2 bits of silver

wire with me when I'd posted to a list he was on.

>

> Knowing how batteries don't last, I cobbled together my own current source

from a 30VDC wall-wart and proceeded with care.

>

> Over some months I noticed that despite the care & attention it got, my

(quart) batches were not staying consistently clear enough for my liking; also -

the wee thing made less than I needed to use - so it was time to learn better...

>

> I researched the silverlist, and found Terry Chamberlin's old posts about

using 120VDC for making it in 5 gallon batches.

>

> When I contacted him, he advised me how to make a smaller version of his

current supply, and I did that.

> It made nice gallons for me - but very slowly.

>

> I then found this site:

> http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/colloidal_silver.html

>

> His name is Duncan Crow - and back then he was still selling the CS he made,

for a better price than anyone else, but he's removed that from his site now...

>

> Mr. Crow made a machine for this from an old microwave oven and a rolled-out

silver bar - and said his CS was ALWAYS clear & stable.

>

> Great - but I had no way to get that much silver nor to have it rolled out,

and when I contacted him he INSISTED that using the bar was ESSENTIAL. (Waaaah.)

>

> I also found an extremely verbose (but unhelpful) man via youtube who posted

only semi-useful instructions along the same lines - and spoke with him at

length via phone, which was a total waste of time as all I got from that time &

effort was a headache and a sore ear !!!

>

> Coincidentally I came into ownership of an older (knob-style) microwave oven

with a bad magnetron tube soon after.

> And soon after that I decided it was time to test my own thoughts.

>

> TaaDaa !

> You see=> Duncan had said that the high voltage & current would BLAST the

silver off a wire due to decreased surface area; and I carried this 2 steps

further by adding ways to limit current...so:

>

> I tore down the microwave & mounted it's power supply to a box, and when

connecting the correct polarity to the silver wire, I placed not only a sturdy

resistor in that line, but a very thin copper wire.

>

> Also, knowing this would help - I placed a (new, cleaned) fish tank air stone

with a strong air supply so it would enshroud the single silver wire in air

bubbles whenever the current was on, thereby adding more resistance to the

water.

>

> I also discovered to run the source at 50% power for no more than 10 minutes

per 'shot' until my PPM meter read about 12-13, which likely indicates that it's

about double that strength according to Ode Coyote himself.

>

> This is how & what I use to make gallons, and though it does use up my single

10 " silver wire in about 2 month's time, it yields silver water which starts &

stays clear by the gallon in about 1/2 hour per batch (excluding cleaning time).

>

> I decant it through a coffee filter via a tiny hose, dry the coffee filters

and mix that dust with EVCO to make a very nice ointment too.

>

> Anyone wanting one of these setups who lives close enough to Vermont is

welcome to bring their parts here & I'll be happy to help them make one like

mine, if desired.

>

> I hope that helps !

>

> mark

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Mara.

My 2 cents:

> http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html

Much of what WAS known about silver in the days of yore has been lost or buried

because it worked too universally for the medicos - which is why I seriously

distrust any medico's specific recommendation to use any silver product.

What I mean by that is best explained this way:

If you get your 'patient' to spend 100's of $$$ on something (which you do not

make any $ on...) by saying it is the MOST effective - when there is NO way to

support that opinion (which it is), and they use only the amount the medico says

to use - then s/he is NOT out of work.

Truth is...silver is so naturally absorbed and is such a powerful booster of the

body's immune system almost universally, that EVEN if one gets larger amounts of

the 'wrong' particle sizes - it is still beneficial.

Now to the article...I looked it over, and didn't finish reading it.

Why is that, you ask ?

It is TOO MUCH of the sort of info that is useless to me. Clutter.

I was such a left-brained, analytical sort of guy most of my life; BUT, nowadays

I have been instead alot less that way, and find that getting all bogged down in

too much science does not help me with healing AT ALL - so I mostly now navigate

by what FEELS best, both physically to my body - and intuitionally per my 'gut'.

In this situation I am quite comfortably certain that I am 'there' with regards

to the silver water.

My current source works perfectly for me, I discovered the setup of other things

needed to make 4 very good quality gallons in a single afternoon and I do that

maybe every 6 weeks or so - and what I make is wonderfully clear, stays clear,

and when I re-measure the PPM it has stayed stable (I mark each jug...).

That's enough for me.

It has been a huge help for me too - but no SINGLE thing has been quite enough

to totally stop & reverse the march of the mold UNTIL Lugol's was added to all

the other stuff I use.

That brought the desired STOP. (Quickly and dramatically too.)

Now I will work at getting ENOUGH of it into the body daily to cause the

reversal and ultimately get to the point of maintenance only amounts of

everything with zero growths, wounds, etc...

All these things have their place - but my learning indicates the single most

important factor in healing is not WHAT we use, but it's REACH within the body.

When all the things have been combined (for me) what seemed to happen is that

suddenly the body had enough strength to REACH all it's hidden, deep places with

the healing power that it has for ITSELF.

To me, this cannot be called 'medicine' - it is more like magic !!!

Best Wishes to All.

mark

[Guest guest]

Thanks Dan, but:

> The thin in-line wire is doing nothing in your circuit. The resistor is

probably doing nothing as well

You are mistaken.

No - I've no need to prove anything to you via testing your way, because I

tested it in actual usage and the results were quite visible.

With all the things I do to keep the high voltage / high current from the supply

from blowing my skinny silver wire to bits - and considering how much I get out

of a single 10 " wire - it works, and I need no naysayers telling me otherwise.

Go and discourage someone else, please and thanks.

mark

[Guest guest]

Do tell how you got rid of the mold!

I'm just using a simple sota silver pulser with RO water. I HOPE this is good!

Is it????

Judy

> (And for the record, silver alone was not strong enough to break the mold's

hold upon my body, so I branched out but still use it daily).

[Guest guest]

OK, you can believe what you want. I'm sure the wire and resistor won't " hurt "

anything in your circuit. I'm just saying that they aren't necessary. But some

people wear their lucky socks, or underwear, and it helps them win baseball

games, and stuff like that. But it is what it is...

Dan

>

> Thanks Dan, but:

> > The thin in-line wire is doing nothing in your circuit. The resistor is

probably doing nothing as well

>

> You are mistaken.

> No - I've no need to prove anything to you via testing your way, because I

tested it in actual usage and the results were quite visible.

> With all the things I do to keep the high voltage / high current from the

supply from blowing my skinny silver wire to bits - and considering how much I

get out of a single 10 " wire - it works, and I need no naysayers telling me

otherwise.

>

> Go and discourage someone else, please and thanks.

>

> mark

>