Re: Re:Aniracetam

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This is interesting. Dr. Yasko just

told us to start low dose Ampamet which is a derivative of Piracetram I

believe. I am waiting to find out what dose she was recommending.

Chris

From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of cher.lowrance

Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008

9:30 PM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re:

Re:Aniracetam

Thanks to

both of you. and I have already been discussing this!

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On Oct 5, 2008, at 4:36 PM, <Ladyshrink111peoplepc>

<Ladyshrink111peoplepc>

wrote:

----- Original Message -----

From: Janice

====>Just a small correction and a ?

......

I learned of Piracetram from a gal on the apraxiadyspraxiabiomed

board (yahoo groups) named Ladyshrink () who also writes on the autism

mercury board and is a child psychologist. She used Piracetram successfully on

her daughter for fine motor/handwriting.... Within a couple of weeks, her

daughters severe handwriting disorder righted itself and she now is assessed at

the average levels.

====>Our 7 year old had average handwriting in the

beginning. Her school, highly academic, focuses on writing. She in in the

gifted class and they did a LOT of writing and

she would complain of her hands hurting. Piracetam helped, but Aniracetam was

better.

We did not find that it was energizing, quite the opposite,

it made her sleep deeper. Since both work with balancing dopamine/serotonin,

this is not surprising but I have heard that some people find it is hard to

sleep if it is taken late in the day.====>

......

From what I understand..... Piracetram requires far

heavier doses to be effective but lasts in the body for about 30 hours (so you

take it daily) to maintain levels. Some people report headaches with it which

are supposedly alleviated if you take choline alongside it. These supplements

are a derrivative of GABA.

Aniracetram has a short life in the body.... it leaves after

about 3-4 hours from my internet reading.

====>How can this be? I have read the same thing, and

read exactly the opposite, that Aniracetam stays in the system longer. Anything

fat soluble has to be dosed LESS frequently, but makes me more leary of

anything on the internet.

We did notice that the Aniracetam did not lessen, but the

Piracetam did, ever so slightly.====>

I believe that they may be out of stock with Piracetram as

well so you may want to call before ordering.

====>Beyond a Century is discontinuing the Aniracetam but

has plenty of Piracetam.===>

In addition, I have read that you need to dose Piracetram

for 2 days at high doses before it will actually 'kick' in and work.

===>We did not do the high dose with Piracetam and it did

take a few days to kick in. Aniracetam kicked in immediately.====>

It is completely benign and there are no toxicities

associated with it so this is safe to do.... from what I have read in both

books and in internet research.

===>I did find one place on the web that said although

both were GRAS, Aniracetam was slightly more toxic with high doses than was

Piracetam, no idea if this is true. She still takes a small amount, about 250

mgs a day.====>

I intend to try both of these supplements on myself prior to

my son to see 'exactly' what type of effects to expect.... but I am reading

some pretty positive stories on the internet so far.... especially with regards

to memory and learning disabilities.

===>I will be interested in your reports, Janice. We also

found that although her attention and creativity were excellent, before Aniracetam,

they were elevated with it.===>

I too would love to hear some more stories of others who

have used these supplements.

====>A couple of years ago there was a great deal of

interest in this supplement among Dans!, so I stayed away from it :-) I have

not heard anything since the normal " beginning flurry of interest " .

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: Farley

This is interesting. Dr. Yasko just told us to start low dose Ampamet which is a derivative of Piracetram I believe. I am waiting to find out what dose she was recommending.

===>Ampamet is Aniracetam, when you find out the dosing, can you post, Chris? I'd like to compare doses and weights of the kids.

Thanks,

Chris

From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of cher.lowranceSent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 9:30 PMTo: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Re:Aniracetam

Thanks to both of you. and I have already been discussing this!

Cheryl

~Visit my webstore for anything you need related to autism - groceries, supps, therapy supplies, books, and more!

http://astore.amazon.com/grystai-20

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On Oct 5, 2008, at 4:36 PM, <Ladyshrink111peoplepc> <Ladyshrink111peoplepc> wrote:

----- Original Message -----

From: Janice

====>Just a small correction and a ?

......

I learned of Piracetram from a gal on the apraxiadyspraxiabiomed board (yahoo groups) named Ladyshrink () who also writes on the autism mercury board and is a child psychologist. She used Piracetram successfully on her daughter for fine motor/handwriting.... Within a couple of weeks, her daughters severe handwriting disorder righted itself and she now is assessed at the average levels.

====>Our 7 year old had average handwriting in the beginning. Her school, highly academic, focuses on writing. She in in the gifted class and they did a LOT of writing and she would complain of her hands hurting. Piracetam helped, but Aniracetam was better.

We did not find that it was energizing, quite the opposite, it made her sleep deeper. Since both work with balancing dopamine/serotonin, this is not surprising but I have heard that some people find it is hard to sleep if it is taken late in the day.====>

......

From what I understand..... Piracetram requires far heavier doses to be effective but lasts in the body for about 30 hours (so you take it daily) to maintain levels. Some people report headaches with it which are supposedly alleviated if you take choline alongside it. These supplements are a derrivative of GABA.

Aniracetram has a short life in the body.... it leaves after about 3-4 hours from my internet reading.

====>How can this be? I have read the same thing, and read exactly the opposite, that Aniracetam stays in the system longer. Anything fat soluble has to be dosed LESS frequently, but makes me more leary of anything on the internet.

We did notice that the Aniracetam did not lessen, but the Piracetam did, ever so slightly.====>

I believe that they may be out of stock with Piracetram as well so you may want to call before ordering.

====>Beyond a Century is discontinuing the Aniracetam but has plenty of Piracetam.===>

In addition, I have read that you need to dose Piracetram for 2 days at high doses before it will actually 'kick' in and work.

===>We did not do the high dose with Piracetam and it did take a few days to kick in. Aniracetam kicked in immediately.====>

It is completely benign and there are no toxicities associated with it so this is safe to do.... from what I have read in both books and in internet research.

===>I did find one place on the web that said although both were GRAS, Aniracetam was slightly more toxic with high doses than was Piracetam, no idea if this is true. She still takes a small amount, about 250 mgs a day.====>

I intend to try both of these supplements on myself prior to my son to see 'exactly' what type of effects to expect.... but I am reading some pretty positive stories on the internet so far.... especially with regards to memory and learning disabilities.

===>I will be interested in your reports, Janice. We also found that although her attention and creativity were excellent, before Aniracetam, they were elevated with it.===>

I too would love to hear some more stories of others who have used these supplements.

====>A couple of years ago there was a great deal of interest in this supplement among Dans!, so I stayed away from it :-) I have not heard anything since the normal "beginning flurry of interest".

[Guest guest]

Yes, please do!  Also, did she mention *why* she was suggesting it? Cheryl~Visit my webstore for anything you need related to autism - groceries, supps, therapy supplies, books, and more!http://astore.amazon.com/grystai-20~Check out my blog:  http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com/   ----- Original Message ----- From: Farley   This is interesting.  Dr. Yasko just told us to start low dose Ampamet which is a derivative of Piracetram I believe.  I am waiting to find out what dose she was recommending. ===>Ampamet is Aniracetam, when you find out the dosing, can you post, Chris?  I'd like to compare doses and weights of the kids. Thanks, From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of cher.lowranceSent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 9:30 PMTo: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Re:Aniracetam Thanks to both of you. and I have already been discussing this! Cheryl ~Visit my webstore for anything you need related to autism - groceries, supps, therapy supplies, books, and more! http://astore.amazon.com/grystai-20 ~Check out my blog: http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com/ On Oct 5, 2008, at 4:36 PM, <Ladyshrink111peoplepc> <Ladyshrink111peoplepc> wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: Janice ====>Just a small correction and a ? ..... I learned of Piracetram from a gal on the apraxiadyspraxiabiomed board (yahoo groups) named Ladyshrink () who also writes on the autism mercury board and is a child psychologist. She used Piracetram successfully on her daughter for fine motor/handwriting.... Within a couple of weeks, her daughters severe handwriting disorder righted itself and she now is assessed at the average levels. ====>Our 7 year old had average handwriting in the beginning. Her school, highly academic, focuses on writing. She in in the gifted class and they did a LOT of writing and she would complain of her hands hurting. Piracetam helped, but Aniracetam was better. We did not find that it was energizing, quite the opposite, it made her sleep deeper. Since both work with balancing dopamine/serotonin, this is not surprising but I have heard that some people find it is hard to sleep if it is taken late in the day.====> ..... From what I understand..... Piracetram requires far heavier doses to be effective but lasts in the body for about 30 hours (so you take it daily) to maintain levels. Some people report headaches with it which are supposedly alleviated if you take choline alongside it. These supplements are a derrivative of GABA. Aniracetram has a short life in the body.... it leaves after about 3-4 hours from my internet reading. ====>How can this be? I have read the same thing, and read exactly the opposite, that Aniracetam stays in the system longer. Anything fat soluble has to be dosed LESS frequently, but makes me more leary of anything on the internet. We did notice that the Aniracetam did not lessen, but the Piracetam did, ever so slightly.====> I believe that they may be out of stock with Piracetram as well so you may want to call before ordering. ====>Beyond a Century is discontinuing the Aniracetam but has plenty of Piracetam.===> In addition, I have read that you need to dose Piracetram for 2 days at high doses before it will actually 'kick' in and work. ===>We did not do the high dose with Piracetam and it did take a few days to kick in. Aniracetam kicked in immediately.====> It is completely benign and there are no toxicities associated with it so this is safe to do.... from what I have read in both books and in internet research. ===>I did find one place on the web that said although both were GRAS, Aniracetam was slightly more toxic with high doses than was Piracetam, no idea if this is true. She still takes a small amount, about 250 mgs a day.====> I intend to try both of these supplements on myself prior to my son to see 'exactly' what type of effects to expect.... but I am reading some pretty positive stories on the internet so far.... especially with regards to memory and learning disabilities. ===>I will be interested in your reports, Janice. We also found that although her attention and creativity were excellent, before Aniracetam, they were elevated with it.===> I too would love to hear some more stories of others who have used these supplements. ====>A couple of years ago there was a great deal of interest in this supplement among Dans!, so I stayed away from it :-) I have not heard anything since the normal "beginning flurry of interest".

[Guest guest]

I've had Piracetam in the cupboard for ages, I took some and gave me a killer of a headache so didn't give any to Sam. I see on one of the links somebody posed that taking Choline with it should help with the headaches, I'll dig some out and try that on me first.

FWIW Vinpocetine gave me the same killer headache...........I wonder if that's the same reason, doing things to ATP and needing the choline to do its thang?

Mandi in UK

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===>I've done *some* research into Oxiracetam, but also noticed that the Anti-Aging site pulled it.  I have read that the Oxiracetam is the best for attention issues, not sure if that's true.  There are many others but they appear not to be commercially available.===>They do seem to be hard to find.   ===>Me also, although probably for different reasons. We do notice that she sleeps better, eats better and her mood is better.  But her hand pain was *the* main reason we started it, the other is just icing on the cake.  Piracetam/Aniracetam are both used for Raynaud's syndrome, a circulatory disorder of the hands and although in our case it was not full blown, the Aniracetam certainly has taken care of the pain.  This alone makes it worth the price for us.  I'm hoping it's worth it for us, too.  If I can eating, sleeping and mood better that's already a plus!  Mood isn't such an issue generally but right now it's pretty rough. ===>You might try ordering the Piracetam from Beyond a Century, a whopping 300 grams for $13.00 and you could take it, very affordable.  I was also thinking that if it's true that Aniracetam has a shorter half-life that there would be some benefit in using a combination of the two, Piracetam and Aniracetam.  I look forward to anything you find.  I've actually ordered some Aniracetam already for my husband and I to try (just a few minutes ago).  We're the guinea pigs, of course.  If I give it to my son I'll have to find another source since it's in a capsule and I would rather be splitting tabs.  Or I need to figure out how to measure the powder out...  So we'll see how it goes!Cheryl

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Mind you, I have no first hand experience with it... but given what I've researched, my first thought would also be to add choline and see if that helps. Cheryl I've had Piracetam in the cupboard for ages, I took some and gave me a killer of a headache so didn't give any to Sam. I see on one of the links somebody posed that taking Choline with it should help with the headaches, I'll dig some out and try that on me first.   FWIW Vinpocetine gave me the same killer headache...........I wonder if that's the same reason, doing things to ATP and needing the choline to do its thang?   Mandi in UK

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I forgot to mention that from what I've been reading on message boards, this seems to be a popular choice among people.  The combination if the two and other racetams seems to work very well in together.  I'm taking it one step at a time, though!  :)Cheryl   ===>You might try ordering the Piracetam from Beyond a Century, a whopping 300 grams for $13.00 and you could take it, very affordable.  I was also thinking that if it's true that Aniracetam has a shorter half-life that there would be some benefit in using a combination of the two, Piracetam and Aniracetam.  I look forward to anything you find.  

[Guest guest]

I just wanted to let you know that I just read on a message board that if you are getting headaches, drowsiness or it's giving you a "speedy" feeling (my words, he actually used "dopey") it is a definite sign of choline depletion and you need to also take acetylcholine with it.  It's also supposed to make any of the racetams work much better anyway.  Of course, it was just a message board so I don't know how reliable it is but it's worth a shot.  I also wanted to update you guys on my day with aniracetam.  I just got it in the mail to day and of course, as soon as I got it I took it!    I did think much clearer but I did get that kind of speedy feeling in my chest.  If you didn't have a wild set of younger years and you don't know what I'm talking about, think about what it feels like to be on ephedrine - that's a speedy feeling.  So I didn't take anymore this evening as I plan to get some acetyl-choline tomorrow and try my little experiment again.  I did manage to study for an Anatomy and Physiology test without fighting sleep so that is definitely a good sign!  Normally I'm fighting to keep my eyes open within 5 minutes on A & P.  After one dose I will say I'm impressed and interested to find out what happens tomorrow with the Acetyl-choline.  Not quite ready to try it on my son, my husband is the next guinea pig!  Plus he is sick so I don't want to do anything with that going on.Cheryl I've had Piracetam in the cupboard for ages, I took some and gave me a killer of a headache so didn't give any to Sam. I see on one of the links somebody posed that taking Choline with it should help with the headaches, I'll dig some out and try that on me first.   FWIW Vinpocetine gave me the same killer headache...........I wonder if that's the same reason, doing things to ATP and needing the choline to do its thang?   Mandi in UK

[Guest guest]

Oh, and I also forgot to mention that apparently the best form of

choline to take is PC.

Cheryl