Re: Where is the question of renouncement? -Srila Prabhupada

July 21, 2012

Hi Meena/Madhulila,

We do renounce things all along the path of life. Basically to renounce, by

definition means in terms of " wordly pleasures " . But if you allow the term

to encompass broader and day to day things you have renounced a number of

pleasures surely for your loved ones as you have progressed in life.

A small example - at the dining table, how many times have you not

renounced something you like because your child or spouse, or parent likes

it as much as you do or more?

You will find many such examples in real life.

And as far as " doggish " mentality? I think dogs are more humane than humans

;-)

Ravin '82

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> > Too good to be taken lightly.

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> >

> > This doggish mentality has to be sacrificed.

> > Otherwise, what you can sacrifice? What you have got? Renouncement.

> There is no question of renouncement. You haven't got anything, what to

> renounce? When you come naked, and you go naked. Simply by false, illusory

> conception, you think: " This is mine, this is mine, this is mine. "

> Actually, when you take your birth, you do not bring anything with you. And

> when you go away, you do not take away anything. The things were there, and

> things will be there. You come and go. But then where is the question of

> sacrifice? Where is the question of renouncement? This is illusion.

> Isavasyam idam sarvam. Everything belongs to God; nothing belongs to you.

> So what is the meaning of renouncement? And what is the meaning of

> enjoyment? You cannot enjoy others' property, neither it is a very nice

> thing if you say, " I renounce it. " Suppose you are passing through Bank of

> America, if you say, " I renounce this. " Where, where? What is the

> renouncement?

> >

> > Bank of America belongs to you? This is craziness. You cannot enjoy the

> Bank of America. If you go and try to enjoy, then you'll be criminal. And

> if you say, " I renounce it, " then you are a madman. This is your position.

> But people are going on under two impressions. Somebody, the karmis, they

> are thinking, " I am enjoyer. I am the lord of all I survey. This America is

> mine. You cannot enter. " So this is the karmi's position. Falsely, they are

> claiming proprietorship, which does not belong to them. Thieves, rather;

> they are thieves, rogues. There is a story that a, a group of thieves, they

> plundered some booty, some property, somewhere, and then, out of the town,

> they were dividing. So one of the thieves was speaking, " Please divide the

> property morally. " Now, the property's stolen property, and they are

> speaking of " morally. " Devil recites scripture. Similarly, you Americans,

> you have come from Europe, you have stolen this property. Now you are

> speaking of morality.

> >

> > HDG Srila Prabhupada

>

July 21, 2012

If by renouncement you mean everyone going naked, I am all for for it. Count

my vote in.

Kishore Shah 1974

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Subject: Where is the question of renouncement? -Srila Prabhupada

>> Too good to be taken lightly.

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>

>>

>> This doggish mentality has to be sacrificed.

>> Otherwise, what you can sacrifice? What you have got? Renouncement. There

>> is no question of renouncement. You haven't got anything, what to

>> renounce? When you come naked, and you go naked. Simply by false,

>> illusory conception, you think: " This is mine, this is mine, this is

>> mine. " Actually, when you take your birth, you do not bring anything with

>> you. And when you go away, you do not take away anything. The things were

>> there, and things will be there. You come and go. But then where is the

>> question of sacrifice? Where is the question of renouncement? This is

>> illusion. Isavasyam idam sarvam. Everything belongs to God; nothing

>> belongs to you. So what is the meaning of renouncement? And what is the

>> meaning of enjoyment? You cannot enjoy others' property, neither it is a

>> very nice thing if you say, " I renounce it. " Suppose you are passing

>> through Bank of America, if you say, " I renounce this. " Where, where?

>> What is the renouncement?

>>

>> Bank of America belongs to you? This is craziness. You cannot enjoy the

>> Bank of America. If you go and try to enjoy, then you'll be criminal. And

>> if you say, " I renounce it, " then you are a madman. This is your

>> position. But people are going on under two impressions. Somebody, the

>> karmis, they are thinking, " I am enjoyer. I am the lord of all I survey.

>> This America is mine. You cannot enter. " So this is the karmi's position.

>> Falsely, they are claiming proprietorship, which does not belong to them.

>> Thieves, rather; they are thieves, rogues. There is a story that a, a

>> group of thieves, they plundered some booty, some property, somewhere,

>> and then, out of the town, they were dividing. So one of the thieves was

>> speaking, " Please divide the property morally. " Now, the property's

>> stolen property, and they are speaking of " morally. " Devil recites

>> scripture. Similarly, you Americans, you have come from Europe, you have

>> stolen this property. Now you are speaking of morality.

>>

>> HDG Srila Prabhupada

>

July 21, 2012

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