Guest guest Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Hi Group. Much of what I've found has pointed towards getting abundant C as being highly beneficial. But then the complications start to creep in... Such as: What specific kind of C ? How much is the best amount ? Pills, powders, liquid, liposomal ? Natural or man-made ? I've got a big bottle of 1000mg pills and that's been all for a while - but mention of making the liposomal C caught my eye. Info on this subject seems scarce, and I found one useful page on a site and the DIY-LET group...and that's all. (And when I posted questions in that group I got exactly zero replies.) I do have other specific questions, but here are the 2 I'd really like answered to begin with and I am hoping some kind person here may direct me: 1) Where does one find more/good info about making liposomal C ? 2) How does one make the stuff (minus sweeteners) so that it is palatable ? Thanks ! mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 You are welcome to join my group on Lipo-C http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/DIY-LET/ ----- Original Message ----- > > 1) Where does one find more/good info about making liposomal C ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Hi Mark, I do not know much about lip vit C, but I am thinking try it first. see this: http://www.amazon.com/Lypo-Spheric-Vitamin-LivOn-Labs-Packets/dp/B002SR7OHK/ref=\ wl_it_dp_o_npd?ie=UTF8 & coliid=I27NG1MNCFT0BJ & colid=BSN12O7DCDKM Thirty bux for a small supply, thirty paks, it's lipo, the bestus for bioavailability, If it proves very helpful for you, then explore making your own. I have looked into making it, I can see spending fifty bux for starting, including the machinery, parts cleaner. Just my thoughts, Here is a how to: david lubbock tx. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Ummm...thanks...and: " polo " wrote: > You are welcome to join my group on Lipo-C > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/DIY-LET/ I posted my original info query at your group, and as of today did get one helpful reply; hoping for more ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Hi dAVId and thanks ! For me, the $30 is part of the $50 and none of it comes easy right now; so $30 and THEN the $50 would be less wise for me. I have a friends who have incomes of over $40,000 and those folks scoff at such measly amounts as $50; whereas I consider just a $5 item as a decision to be made vs. what I really, actually do need. Therefore, I tend to proceed with care, learning all I can before committing to any sort of purchase. Thanks for the helpful info !!! mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Opps, sorry, didn't know you posted on there. I looked up your post. " I am interested in using LET for vitamin C, but need info as to making it... 1) affordably 2) palatable WITHOUT adding any sweetener 3) possibly with non-soy lecithin if that is even possible ??? " My answer: Go into the message archives, there is tons of info on how people MAKE IT. 1) Nothing is cheap. I think our methods are far more affordable than buying the commercial stuff, but each person will have to find what works for him/her. 2) You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear and this is true with taste of our lipo-c. Some people absolutely detest the taste of lecithin. I don't mind it. Again, one will have to make a personal judgment call on this one. Which is more important, taste or well being? 3) Yes, there has been some work with non lecithin compounds in making nanoparticles. Just off hand, I would advise you to go to our file's archives and read: http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/wHIjT55GR9Sn4QrrxOJszXYef8qku1EN7I8oj7lpEHDO6DolXbp\ uTV4HZ2CfUzsHC37IFC7CuCO_SvKjkMg2UQ/casein%20micelles.pdf http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/wHIjT9z3wTun4QrrlrRH_5F8RdzUygR2wZr3dVwXF20_tspzYR6\ W9_wN9vL2BWbfcYM-Yjj4xtt466f3RJU4ZQ/encapsulation%20with%20starch.pdf And just today, I have been reading about PLGA or poly(lactic-co-glycolic acid) which may be another vehicle to encapsulate drugs. doug ----- Original Message ----- > I posted my original info query at your group, and as of today did get one > helpful reply; hoping for more ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 Go to the DIY group and look for the posts of Polo. He has the original recipe of Bill Bradley. This is at the beginning of the group's files. > > Hi Group. > > I do have other specific questions, but here are the 2 I'd really like answered to begin with and I am hoping some kind person here may direct me: > > 1) Where does one find more/good info about making liposomal C ? > 2) How does one make the stuff (minus sweeteners) so that it is palatable ? > > Thanks ! > > mark > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 Thanks Doug. I've noticed (personally) that when one comes face to face with one's own mortality at very close range - there is a significant shift in perspective...I'll try to explain: Most folks seem to live as if they have all the time & money in the world to toss around however & whenever; but I've come to see things more from the POV expressed in a song entitled 'Live Like You Were Dyin' (only as yet I am uncertain of the reprieve Tim McGraw seems to be singing of...). You wrote: > Go into the message archives, there is tons of info on how people MAKE IT. Yes, I did, and searching on the word 'make', for example, yields about a zillion (mostly unrelated) results. I'd seriously like to know for sure that I'll live long enough to read every result of every search, but it seems unwise to count on that ! > 1) Nothing is cheap. I think our methods are far more affordable than buying the commercial stuff, but each person will have to find what works for him/her. Being very ill for years makes finding the least costly way to get things done become a necessity...rather than optional. My query was: > 2) You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear and this is true with taste of our lipo-c. Some people absolutely detest the taste of lecithin. I don't mind it. Again, one will have to make a personal judgment call on this one. Which is more important, taste or well being? Simply for seeking suggestions after reading how some folks say it tastes pretty awful...no biggie for me; if it's as bad as drinking BS then I'd just find I wasted ~$50, which I'd sooner avoid. I can just keep using the C tabs I've already got, quite easily. > 3) Yes, there has been some work with non lecithin compounds in making nanoparticles. Just off hand, I would advise you to go to our file's archives and read: Doug - the links provided both gave me this message: " Document Not Found The document you requested could not be found. " Again - no biggie, I can look for those titles in the files myself, thanks. One of my goals...: > And just today, I have been reading about PLGA or poly(lactic-co-glycolic acid) which may be another vehicle to encapsulate drugs. Is to stop having to buy more and more 'stuff' - and instead to find & stick with the few simple things which get the job done. For example: Vitamin C is a companion nutrient for Lugol's, as are selenium, salt and magnesium. The above (except the Lugol's) are all simple & inexpensive compared with buying C powder & an ultrasonic cleaner. It could be that simply snarfing down 5-1000mg 'horse pills' of C daily is enough to get the job done for me...time will tell. Best Wishes to All ! mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 Mark, I agree, one should live the day as if it is always our last one or at least try to. At the very least, appreciate that day. Doing such a general search on the site as " make " is not the way to go. If you are serious about lipo-c, simply go through each post. You may even learn stuff you were not planning on! Outside of this, there are tons of webpages out there that describes Bradley's original process and protocol. I like CHEAP! Don't get me wrong. That is why I make my own lipo-C and I think I have saved much money doing it. I take around 6grams/day which would probably cost me approx $6/day if I had to go the Livon route. Way too expensive for me. I am disabled and on a limited income. I make my lipo-c for pennies. The only way you can gauge if you can tolerate homemade lipo-c is to try some. Some people like it (like me) others gag. I just tried those file links on my computer and they work perfectly. I suggest you find another computer or simply try again. They are working and are present in the file section. I appreciate your limited money situation, but nothing is free in this world. If C " horse " pills are your best and cheapest bet, take them. If you can find the extra money to make lipo-c, I would. I would never go back to those big C pills. good luck, doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 Mark, Here is another file in the file section which uses hydrophobically modifed starch (HMS) instead of lecithin. http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/cA0kT5LIYwqYfEWMh71tsyaqaxsF-LkKS-S50T9njTjom59QwTz\ g7x0CkyKP2CyF6mts4Paic4xrgcGPHh60dA/encapsulated%20curcumin%20article.pdf I have found that if you are looking for hydrophobically modified starch (HMS) for micelle encapasultion that probably Dry-Flo AF is the best and least expensive alternative to using a HMS. DRY-FLO® AF INCI: Corn Starch Modified Description: DRY-FLO AF starch is a hydrophobically modified natural polymer. Aluminum-free technology is used in its production. Dry-Flo AF Pure is a hydrophobically modified corn starch . Aqueous products containing Dry-Flo AF Pure should not be subjected to temperatures above 130°F or the starch will swell and start to dissolve, thickening your product. Here is a source for it: http://www.brambleberry.com/Dry-Flo-Powder-P3803.aspx One pound---------- $7.77 Three pounds ------$19.86 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 HI POLO, HOW ABOUT THAT THE ALL CORN NOW IS GMO?   Subject: Re: Vitamin C query ? To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Date: Saturday, January 28, 2012, 11:26 AM  Mark, Here is another file in the file section which uses hydrophobically modifed starch (HMS) instead of lecithin. http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/cA0kT5LIYwqYfEWMh71tsyaqaxsF-LkKS-S50T9njTjom59QwTz\ g7x0CkyKP2CyF6mts4Paic4xrgcGPHh60dA/encapsulated%20curcumin%20article.pdf I have found that if you are looking for hydrophobically modified starch (HMS) for micelle encapasultion that probably Dry-Flo AF is the best and least expensive alternative to using a HMS. DRY-FLO® AF INCI: Corn Starch Modified Description: DRY-FLO AF starch is a hydrophobically modified natural polymer. Aluminum-free technology is used in its production. Dry-Flo AF Pure is a hydrophobically modified corn starch . Aqueous products containing Dry-Flo AF Pure should not be subjected to temperatures above 130°F or the starch will swell and start to dissolve, thickening your product. Here is a source for it: http://www.brambleberry.com/Dry-Flo-Powder-P3803.aspx One pound---------- $7.77 Three pounds ------$19.86 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 SORRY, I MISSED TO MENTION  ABOUTY  ORGANIC LECITHIN , NOW FOODS HAVE IT  REGARDS, IVA  Subject: Re: Vitamin C query ? To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Date: Saturday, January 28, 2012, 11:26 AM  Mark, Here is another file in the file section which uses hydrophobically modifed starch (HMS) instead of lecithin. http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/cA0kT5LIYwqYfEWMh71tsyaqaxsF-LkKS-S50T9njTjom59QwTz\ g7x0CkyKP2CyF6mts4Paic4xrgcGPHh60dA/encapsulated%20curcumin%20article.pdf I have found that if you are looking for hydrophobically modified starch (HMS) for micelle encapasultion that probably Dry-Flo AF is the best and least expensive alternative to using a HMS. DRY-FLO® AF INCI: Corn Starch Modified Description: DRY-FLO AF starch is a hydrophobically modified natural polymer. Aluminum-free technology is used in its production. Dry-Flo AF Pure is a hydrophobically modified corn starch . Aqueous products containing Dry-Flo AF Pure should not be subjected to temperatures above 130°F or the starch will swell and start to dissolve, thickening your product. Here is a source for it: http://www.brambleberry.com/Dry-Flo-Powder-P3803.aspx One pound---------- $7.77 Three pounds ------$19.86 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 May bother some people, not me. You will have to make your own value judgement there. doug > HI POLO, HOW ABOUT THAT THE ALL CORN NOW IS GMO? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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