Guest guest Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 A statement such as this, that 90% are fools, doesn't hurt or bother anyone, cause everyone thinks he/she is in the remaining 10% who aren't :-P Nobody can say everyone is a fool because then nobody would be a fool :-D " Foolishness " is a relative term. I guess some people are more foolish than others. Fools that make you laugh by their inherent foolishness are much adored and often have many friends ;-) Personally I don't think being a fool is a bad thing (relatively as above) :-P Ravin '82 On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Bharat Sharma wrote: > ** > > > How many fools are there in India? This type of questions Akbar used to > ask Birbal. As expected, Birbal would give an answer that completely > satisfied the Emperor. He would have given an intelligent answer to this > question too. It is undoubtedly difficult to estimate the number of fools. > However, a person named Markanday Katju has figured out this riddle with > remarkable ease and astonishing exactitude. > > Mr Katju is a retired Supreme Court judge. Now he is the chairperson of > the Press Council of India. He says 90 % of the Indians are fools. It is an > extraordinary observation. However, this would shock only a fool because > Katju is inclined to make severe remarks. A few months back he had his > audience dangerously excited when he said there is no freedom for the press > in Bihar. This got him a vociferous response from a section of the > audience, but he stood his ground. In fact, he responded with an angry > outburst at the protestors. It is strange for a judge to have such a fiery > temperament. > A fool is someone who is not sensible and lacks good judgment. A fool is > what a wise person is not. It is not clear how Katju arrived at a concrete > figure of 90% in describing the level of foolishness in India. It is > further unclear what his definition of a fool is. I will start with myself: > Am I one among the majority? I have no hesitation in admitting that I have > proclivity for foolishness sometimes. Apparently, it is an act of > foolishness, but it is something else that compels a man to act that way. > Therefore, foolishness is secondary to the motive. What is logical to one > person is foolish to others. I wonder how Katju categorizes himself. > Alternatively, how others categorize him? > > Katju often reserves harsh words for the system in our country. Hence, we > should see his statement in the context of the structure and functioning of > the system. In actuality, what we see as foolishness is not what Katju > wants us to believe. Mamata driven crazy by an innocuous cartoon seems > foolishness, but it is not so. Her actions reflect paranoia, petulance and > pettiness. Mayawati spending millions on her massive mansions is not a > fool, but greedy in a pathological sense. Kalamadi’s misdeeds as the > president of the IOA were the result of extreme cunning and not due to > foolishness. The recent ruckus in the parliament over a cartoon showing > Ambedkar is foolishness at first instance, but only shows the worship of > false Gods. Manmohan’s disturbing silence makes him look like a fool, but, > in reality, it is severe cognitive inertia. > A few persons are certainly there who have probably influenced Katju’s > thinking on the prevalence of foolishness in India. Referenced against the > Katju Scale of foolishness, Laloo remains the clear winner. SM Krishna > chose the most suitable venue to display his foolishness: he read out the > speech (reportedly written in Portuguese) of another delegate in the UN > Assembly. Then, only a real fool is capable of saying at a press > conference that dog shit on a bed (it happened at the Commonwealth Games > village) is no cause for concern because Indians have different standards > of hygiene. > Ninety percent of any group is an overwhelming majority. That fools > constitute 90% of the total population is a startling discovery. Mr Katju > would have done well to give us guidelines to identify a fool because > wrongly labeling anyone a fool would be unpardonable foolishness. > Bharat > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 Infact we "  ALL "  are fools at some or the other occasion in life time. Do a truthful self audit and the point will make a sense.  Geeta Gupta Kurhade 1976 batch. G kurhade ________________________________ To: mgims Sent: Thursday, 17 May 2012 12:33 PM Subject: Re: Foolish Indians A statement such as this, that 90% are fools, doesn't hurt or bother anyone, cause everyone thinks he/she is in the remaining 10% who aren't :-P Nobody can say everyone is a fool because then nobody would be a fool :-D " Foolishness " is a relative term. I guess some people are more foolish than others. Fools that make you laugh by their inherent foolishness are much adored and often have many friends ;-) Personally I don't think being a fool is a bad thing (relatively as above) :-P Ravin '82 On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Bharat Sharma wrote: > ** > > > How many fools are there in India? This type of questions Akbar used to > ask Birbal. As expected, Birbal would give an answer that completely > satisfied the Emperor. He would have given an intelligent answer to this > question too. It is undoubtedly difficult to estimate the number of fools. > However, a person named Markanday Katju has figured out this riddle with > remarkable ease and astonishing exactitude. > > Mr Katju is a retired Supreme Court judge. Now he is the chairperson of > the Press Council of India. He says 90 % of the Indians are fools. It is an > extraordinary observation. However, this would shock only a fool because > Katju is inclined to make severe remarks. A few months back he had his > audience dangerously excited when he said there is no freedom for the press > in Bihar. This got him a vociferous response from a section of the > audience, but he stood his ground. In fact, he responded with an angry > outburst at the protestors. It is strange for a judge to have such a fiery > temperament. > A fool is someone who is not sensible and lacks good judgment. A fool is > what a wise person is not. It is not clear how Katju arrived at a concrete > figure of 90% in describing the level of foolishness in India. It is > further unclear what his definition of a fool is. I will start with myself: > Am I one among the majority? I have no hesitation in admitting that I have > proclivity for foolishness sometimes. Apparently, it is an act of > foolishness, but it is something else that compels a man to act that way. > Therefore, foolishness is secondary to the motive. What is logical to one > person is foolish to others. I wonder how Katju categorizes himself. > Alternatively, how others categorize him? > > Katju often reserves harsh words for the system in our country. Hence, we > should see his statement in the context of the structure and functioning of > the system. In actuality, what we see as foolishness is not what Katju > wants us to believe. Mamata driven crazy by an innocuous cartoon seems > foolishness, but it is not so. Her actions reflect paranoia, petulance and > pettiness. Mayawati spending millions on her massive mansions is not a > fool, but greedy in a pathological sense. Kalamadi’s misdeeds as the > president of the IOA were the result of extreme cunning and not due to > foolishness. The recent ruckus in the parliament over a cartoon showing > Ambedkar is foolishness at first instance, but only shows the worship of > false Gods. Manmohan’s disturbing silence makes him look like a fool, but, > in reality, it is severe cognitive inertia. > A few persons are certainly there who have probably influenced Katju’s > thinking on the prevalence of foolishness in India. Referenced against the > Katju Scale of foolishness, Laloo remains the clear winner. SM Krishna > chose the most suitable venue to display his foolishness: he read out the > speech (reportedly written in Portuguese) of another delegate in the UN > Assembly. Then, only a real fool is capable of saying at a press > conference that dog shit on a bed (it happened at the Commonwealth Games > village) is no cause for concern because Indians have different standards > of hygiene. > Ninety percent of any group is an overwhelming majority. That fools > constitute 90% of the total population is a startling discovery. Mr Katju > would have done well to give us guidelines to identify a fool because > wrongly labeling anyone a fool would be unpardonable foolishness. > Bharat > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 i remember a joke.... there was lot of furor when a newspaper printed '50 % of sardars (no offence meant) are fools' .. there were lots of uproar and morchas and protests. however the issue settled when editor wrote an apology which read: 'other 50 % of sardars are not fools' On Thu, 17 May 2012 21:06:16 +0530 wrote >A statement such as this, that 90% are fools, doesn't hurt or bother anyone, cause everyone thinks he/she is in the remaining 10% who aren't :-P Nobody can say everyone is a fool because then nobody would be a fool :-D " Foolishness " is a relative term. I guess some people are more foolish than others. Fools that make you laugh by their inherent foolishness are much adored and often have many friends ;-) Personally I don't think being a fool is a bad thing (relatively as above) :-P Ravin '82 > ** > > > How many fools are there in India? This type of questions Akbar used to > ask Birbal. As expected, Birbal would give an answer that completely > satisfied the Emperor. He would have given an intelligent answer to this > question too. It is undoubtedly difficult to estimate the number of fools. > However, a person named Markanday Katju has figured out this riddle with > remarkable ease and astonishing exactitude. > > Mr Katju is a retired Supreme Court judge. Now he is the chairperson of > the Press Council of India. He says 90 % of the Indians are fools. It is an > extraordinary observation. However, this would shock only a fool because > Katju is inclined to make severe remarks. A few months back he had his > audience dangerously excited when he said there is no freedom for the press > in Bihar. This got him a vociferous response from a section of the > audience, but he stood his ground. In fact, he responded with an angry > outburst at the protestors. It is strange for a judge to have such a fiery > temperament. > A fool is someone who is not sensible and lacks good judgment. A fool is > what a wise person is not. It is not clear how Katju arrived at a concrete > figure of 90% in describing the level of foolishness in India. It is > further unclear what his definition of a fool is. I will start with myself: > Am I one among the majority? I have no hesitation in admitting that I have > proclivity for foolishness sometimes. Apparently, it is an act of > foolishness, but it is something else that compels a man to act that way. > Therefore, foolishness is secondary to the motive. What is logical to one > person is foolish to others. I wonder how Katju categorizes himself. > Alternatively, how others categorize him? > > Katju often reserves harsh words for the system in our country. Hence, we > should see his statement in the context of the structure and functioning of > the system. In actuality, what we see as foolishness is not what Katju > wants us to believe. Mamata driven crazy by an innocuous cartoon seems > foolishness, but it is not so. Her actions reflect paranoia, petulance and > pettiness. Mayawati spending millions on her massive mansions is not a > fool, but greedy in a pathological sense. Kalamadi’s misdeeds as the > president of the IOA were the result of extreme cunning and not due to > foolishness. The recent ruckus in the parliament over a cartoon showing > Ambedkar is foolishness at first instance, but only shows the worship of > false Gods. Manmohan’s disturbing silence makes him look like a fool, but, > in reality, it is severe cognitive inertia. > A few persons are certainly there who have probably influenced Katju’s > thinking on the prevalence of foolishness in India. Referenced against the > Katju Scale of foolishness, Laloo remains the clear winner. SM Krishna > chose the most suitable venue to display his foolishness: he read out the > speech (reportedly written in Portuguese) of another delegate in the UN > Assembly. Then, only a real fool is capable of saying at a press > conference that dog shit on a bed (it happened at the Commonwealth Games > village) is no cause for concern because Indians have different standards > of hygiene. > Ninety percent of any group is an overwhelming majority. That fools > constitute 90% of the total population is a startling discovery. Mr Katju > would have done well to give us guidelines to identify a fool because > wrongly labeling anyone a fool would be unpardonable foolishness. > Bharat > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 When wisdom is lost,foolishness is only perceptionOPG > To: mgims > From: ravindas@... > Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 21:03:16 +0530 > Subject: Re: Foolish Indians > > A statement such as this, that 90% are fools, doesn't hurt or bother > anyone, cause everyone thinks he/she is in the remaining 10% who aren't :-P > > Nobody can say everyone is a fool because then nobody would be a fool :-D > > " Foolishness " is a relative term. I guess some people are more foolish than > others. Fools that make you laugh by their inherent foolishness are much > adored and often have many friends ;-) > > Personally I don't think being a fool is a bad thing (relatively as above) > :-P > > Ravin '82 > > > > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Bharat Sharma wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > How many fools are there in India? This type of questions Akbar used to > > ask Birbal. As expected, Birbal would give an answer that completely > > satisfied the Emperor. He would have given an intelligent answer to this > > question too. It is undoubtedly difficult to estimate the number of fools. > > However, a person named Markanday Katju has figured out this riddle with > > remarkable ease and astonishing exactitude. > > > > Mr Katju is a retired Supreme Court judge. Now he is the chairperson of > > the Press Council of India. He says 90 % of the Indians are fools. It is an > > extraordinary observation. However, this would shock only a fool because > > Katju is inclined to make severe remarks. A few months back he had his > > audience dangerously excited when he said there is no freedom for the press > > in Bihar. This got him a vociferous response from a section of the > > audience, but he stood his ground. In fact, he responded with an angry > > outburst at the protestors. It is strange for a judge to have such a fiery > > temperament. > > A fool is someone who is not sensible and lacks good judgment. A fool is > > what a wise person is not. It is not clear how Katju arrived at a concrete > > figure of 90% in describing the level of foolishness in India. It is > > further unclear what his definition of a fool is. I will start with myself: > > Am I one among the majority? I have no hesitation in admitting that I have > > proclivity for foolishness sometimes. Apparently, it is an act of > > foolishness, but it is something else that compels a man to act that way. > > Therefore, foolishness is secondary to the motive. What is logical to one > > person is foolish to others. I wonder how Katju categorizes himself. > > Alternatively, how others categorize him? > > > > Katju often reserves harsh words for the system in our country. Hence, we > > should see his statement in the context of the structure and functioning of > > the system. In actuality, what we see as foolishness is not what Katju > > wants us to believe. Mamata driven crazy by an innocuous cartoon seems > > foolishness, but it is not so. Her actions reflect paranoia, petulance and > > pettiness. Mayawati spending millions on her massive mansions is not a > > fool, but greedy in a pathological sense. Kalamadi’s misdeeds as the > > president of the IOA were the result of extreme cunning and not due to > > foolishness. The recent ruckus in the parliament over a cartoon showing > > Ambedkar is foolishness at first instance, but only shows the worship of > > false Gods. Manmohan’s disturbing silence makes him look like a fool, but, > > in reality, it is severe cognitive inertia. > > A few persons are certainly there who have probably influenced Katju’s > > thinking on the prevalence of foolishness in India. Referenced against the > > Katju Scale of foolishness, Laloo remains the clear winner. SM Krishna > > chose the most suitable venue to display his foolishness: he read out the > > speech (reportedly written in Portuguese) of another delegate in the UN > > Assembly. Then, only a real fool is capable of saying at a press > > conference that dog shit on a bed (it happened at the Commonwealth Games > > village) is no cause for concern because Indians have different standards > > of hygiene. > > Ninety percent of any group is an overwhelming majority. That fools > > constitute 90% of the total population is a startling discovery. Mr Katju > > would have done well to give us guidelines to identify a fool because > > wrongly labeling anyone a fool would be unpardonable foolishness. > > Bharat > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 Good analysis Ravin! Oh, surprisingly bigger response than your one liners, ha ha!  Renuka '84 > ** > > > How many fools are there in India? This type of questions Akbar used to > ask Birbal. As expected, Birbal would give an answer that completely > satisfied the Emperor. He would have given an intelligent answer to this > question too. It is undoubtedly difficult to estimate the number of fools. > However, a person named Markanday Katju has figured out this riddle with > remarkable ease and astonishing exactitude. > > Mr Katju is a retired Supreme Court judge. Now he is the chairperson of > the Press Council of India. He says 90 % of the Indians are fools. It is an > extraordinary observation. However, this would shock only a fool because > Katju is inclined to make severe remarks. A few months back he had his > audience dangerously excited when he said there is no freedom for the press > in Bihar. This got him a vociferous response from a section of the > audience, but he stood his ground. In fact, he responded with an angry > outburst at the protestors. It is strange for a judge to have such a fiery > temperament. > A fool is someone who is not sensible and lacks good judgment. A fool is > what a wise person is not. It is not clear how Katju arrived at a concrete > figure of 90% in describing the level of foolishness in India. It is > further unclear what his definition of a fool is. I will start with myself: > Am I one among the majority? I have no hesitation in admitting that I have > proclivity for foolishness sometimes. Apparently, it is an act of > foolishness, but it is something else that compels a man to act that way. > Therefore, foolishness is secondary to the motive. What is logical to one > person is foolish to others. I wonder how Katju categorizes himself. > Alternatively, how others categorize him? > > Katju often reserves harsh words for the system in our country. Hence, we > should see his statement in the context of the structure and functioning of > the system. In actuality, what we see as foolishness is not what Katju > wants us to believe. Mamata driven crazy by an innocuous cartoon seems > foolishness, but it is not so. Her actions reflect paranoia, petulance and > pettiness. Mayawati spending millions on her massive mansions is not a > fool, but greedy in a pathological sense. Kalamadi’s misdeeds as the > president of the IOA were the result of extreme cunning and not due to > foolishness. The recent ruckus in the parliament over a cartoon showing > Ambedkar is foolishness at first instance, but only shows the worship of > false Gods. Manmohan’s disturbing silence makes him look like a fool, but, > in reality, it is severe cognitive inertia. > A few persons are certainly there who have probably influenced Katju’s > thinking on the prevalence of foolishness in India. Referenced against the > Katju Scale of foolishness, Laloo remains the clear winner. SM Krishna > chose the most suitable venue to display his foolishness: he read out the > speech (reportedly written in Portuguese) of another delegate in the UN > Assembly. Then, only a real fool is capable of saying at a press > conference that dog shit on a bed (it happened at the Commonwealth Games > village) is no cause for concern because Indians have different standards > of hygiene. > Ninety percent of any group is an overwhelming majority. That fools > constitute 90% of the total population is a startling discovery. Mr Katju > would have done well to give us guidelines to identify a fool because > wrongly labeling anyone a fool would be unpardonable foolishness. > Bharat > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Ya! I do get talkative at times ;-) Ravin '82 > ** > > > Good analysis Ravin! Oh, surprisingly bigger response than your one > liners, ha ha! > > Renuka '84 > > > > > ** > > > > > > How many fools are there in India? This type of questions Akbar used to > > ask Birbal. As expected, Birbal would give an answer that completely > > satisfied the Emperor. He would have given an intelligent answer to this > > question too. It is undoubtedly difficult to estimate the number of > fools. > > However, a person named Markanday Katju has figured out this riddle with > > remarkable ease and astonishing exactitude. > > > > Mr Katju is a retired Supreme Court judge. Now he is the chairperson of > > the Press Council of India. He says 90 % of the Indians are fools. It is > an > > extraordinary observation. However, this would shock only a fool because > > Katju is inclined to make severe remarks. A few months back he had his > > audience dangerously excited when he said there is no freedom for the > press > > in Bihar. This got him a vociferous response from a section of the > > audience, but he stood his ground. In fact, he responded with an angry > > outburst at the protestors. It is strange for a judge to have such a > fiery > > temperament. > > A fool is someone who is not sensible and lacks good judgment. A fool is > > what a wise person is not. It is not clear how Katju arrived at a > concrete > > figure of 90% in describing the level of foolishness in India. It is > > further unclear what his definition of a fool is. I will start with > myself: > > Am I one among the majority? I have no hesitation in admitting that I > have > > proclivity for foolishness sometimes. Apparently, it is an act of > > foolishness, but it is something else that compels a man to act that way. > > Therefore, foolishness is secondary to the motive. What is logical to one > > person is foolish to others. I wonder how Katju categorizes himself. > > Alternatively, how others categorize him? > > > > Katju often reserves harsh words for the system in our country. Hence, we > > should see his statement in the context of the structure and functioning > of > > the system. In actuality, what we see as foolishness is not what Katju > > wants us to believe. Mamata driven crazy by an innocuous cartoon seems > > foolishness, but it is not so. Her actions reflect paranoia, petulance > and > > pettiness. Mayawati spending millions on her massive mansions is not a > > fool, but greedy in a pathological sense. Kalamadi’s misdeeds as the > > president of the IOA were the result of extreme cunning and not due to > > foolishness. The recent ruckus in the parliament over a cartoon showing > > Ambedkar is foolishness at first instance, but only shows the worship of > > false Gods. Manmohan’s disturbing silence makes him look like a fool, > but, > > in reality, it is severe cognitive inertia. > > A few persons are certainly there who have probably influenced Katju’s > > thinking on the prevalence of foolishness in India. Referenced against > the > > Katju Scale of foolishness, Laloo remains the clear winner. SM Krishna > > chose the most suitable venue to display his foolishness: he read out the > > speech (reportedly written in Portuguese) of another delegate in the UN > > Assembly. Then, only a real fool is capable of saying at a press > > conference that dog shit on a bed (it happened at the Commonwealth Games > > village) is no cause for concern because Indians have different standards > > of hygiene. > > Ninety percent of any group is an overwhelming majority. That fools > > constitute 90% of the total population is a startling discovery. Mr Katju > > would have done well to give us guidelines to identify a fool because > > wrongly labeling anyone a fool would be unpardonable foolishness. > > Bharat > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 Awesome read and wonderful thoughts put together...........Sorry I read it so late.......... regards aasawari91 wondering where she comes.............. ________________________________ To: mgims <mgims > Sent: Thursday, 17 May 2012 3:43 PM Subject: Foolish Indians   How many fools are there in India? This type of questions Akbar used to ask Birbal. As expected, Birbal would give an answer that completely satisfied the Emperor. He would have given an intelligent answer to this question too. It is undoubtedly difficult to estimate the number of fools. However, a person named Markanday Katju has figured out this riddle with remarkable ease and astonishing exactitude.  Mr Katju is a retired Supreme Court judge. Now he is the chairperson of the Press Council of India. He says 90 % of the Indians are fools. It is an extraordinary observation. However, this would shock only a fool because Katju is inclined to make severe remarks. A few months back he had his audience dangerously excited when he said there is no freedom for the press in Bihar. This got him a vociferous response from a section of the audience, but he stood his ground. In fact, he responded with an angry outburst at the protestors. It is strange for a judge to have such a fiery temperament. A fool is someone who is not sensible and lacks good judgment. A fool is what a wise person is not. It is not clear how Katju arrived at a concrete figure of 90% in describing the level of foolishness in India. It is further unclear what his definition of a fool is. I will start with myself: Am I one among the majority? I have no hesitation in admitting that I have proclivity for foolishness sometimes. Apparently, it is an act of foolishness, but it is something else that compels a man to act that way. Therefore, foolishness is secondary to the motive. What is logical to one person is foolish to others. I wonder how Katju categorizes himself. Alternatively, how others categorize him? Katju often reserves harsh words for the system in our country. Hence, we should see his statement in the context of the structure and functioning of the system. In actuality, what we see as foolishness is not what Katju wants us to believe. Mamata driven crazy by an innocuous cartoon seems foolishness, but it is not so. Her actions reflect paranoia, petulance and pettiness. Mayawati spending millions on her massive mansions is not a fool, but greedy in a pathological sense. Kalamadi’s misdeeds as the president of the IOA were the result of extreme cunning and not due to foolishness. The recent ruckus in the parliament over a cartoon showing Ambedkar is foolishness at first instance, but only shows the worship of false Gods. Manmohan’s disturbing silence makes him look like a fool, but, in reality, it is severe cognitive inertia.  A few persons are certainly there who have probably influenced Katju’s thinking on the prevalence of foolishness in India. Referenced against the Katju Scale of foolishness, Laloo remains the clear winner. SM Krishna chose the most suitable venue to display his foolishness: he read out the speech (reportedly written in Portuguese) of another delegate in the UN Assembly. Then, only a real fool is capable of saying at a press conference that dog shit on a bed (it happened at the Commonwealth Games village) is no cause for concern because Indians have different standards of hygiene. Ninety percent of any group is an overwhelming majority. That fools constitute 90% of the total population is a startling discovery. Mr Katju would have done well to give us guidelines to identify a fool because wrongly labeling anyone a fool would be unpardonable foolishness. Bharat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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