Re[4]: Proposal

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BTW, the seeds that you want to store up are Heritage Seeds. I believe

you can still get them online. It was either Norway or Sweden where

they are storing seed. Many of these news stories can be found in the

archives of rense.com.

Here is a cut and paste of the survival list:

http://thepowerhour.com/news/items_disappearfirst.htm

> 100 Items to Disappear First

>

> 1.Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky.

> Noisy...target ofthieves; maintenance

> etc.)

> 2. Water Filters/Purifiers

> 3. Portable Toilets

> 4. Seasoned Firewood. Wood takes about 6 - 12 months to become dried,

> forhome uses.

> 5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First Choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If

> scarce,stockpile ANY!)

> 6. Fuel. Impossible to stockpile too much.

> 7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots.

> 8. Hand-can openers, & hand egg beaters, whisks.

> 9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugar

> 10. Rice - Beans - Wheat

> 11. Vegetable Oil (for cooking) Without it food burns/must be boiledetc.,)

> 12. Charcoal, Lighter Fluid (Will become scarce suddenly)

> 13. Water Containers (Urgent Item to obtain.) Any size. Small: HARD

> CLEARPLASTIC ONLY - note -

> food grade if for drinking.

> 16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur.

> 17. Survival Guide Book.

> 18. Mantles: Aladdin, , etc. (Without this item,

> longer-termlighting is difficult.)

> 19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula. ointments/aspirin, etc.

> 20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)

> 21. Cookstoves (Propane, & Kerosene)

> 22. Vitamins

> 23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use

> isdangerous without this item)

> 24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products.

> 25. Thermal underwear (Tops & Bottoms)

> 26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets, Wedges (also, honing oil)

> 27. Aluminum Foil Reg. & Heavy Duty (Great Cooking and BarterItem)

> 28. Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal)

> 29. Garbage Bags (Impossible To Have Too Many).

> 30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels

> 31. Milk - Powdered & Condensed (Shake Liquid every 3 to 4months)

> 32. Garden Seeds (Non-Hybrid) (A MUST)

> 33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST)

> 34. 's Pump Repair Kit

> 35. Tuna Fish (in oil)

> 36. Fire Extinguishers (or..large box of Baking Soda in every room)

> 37. First aid kits

> 38. Batteries (all sizes...buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates)

> 39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies

> 40. Big Dogs (and plenty of dog food)

> 41. Flour, yeast & salt

> 42. Matches. { " Strike Anywhere " preferred.) Boxed, woodenmatches will

> go first

> 43. Writing paper/pads/pencils, solar calculators

> 44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing

> inWintertime.)

> 45. Workboots, belts, Levis & durable shirts

> 46. Flashlights/LIGHTSTICKS & torches, " No. 76 Dietz " Lanterns

> 47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (jot down ideas,

> feelings,experience; Historic Times)

> 48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water, transporting -

> ifwith wheels)

> 49. Men's Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss,

> nailclippers, etc

> 50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient)

> 51. Fishing supplies/tools

> 52. Mosquito coils/repellent, sprays/creams

> 53. Duct Tape

> 54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes

> 55. Candles

> 56. Laundry Detergent (liquid)

> 57. Backpacks, Duffel Bags

> 58. Garden tools & supplies

> 59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies

> 60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc.

> 61. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite)

> 62. Canning supplies, (Jars/lids/wax)

> 63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel

> 64. Bicycles...Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc

> 65. Sleeping Bags & blankets/pillows/mats

> 66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered)

> 67. Board Games, Cards, Dice

> 68. d-con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer

> 69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets

> 70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks)

> 71. Baby wipes, oils, waterless & Antibacterial soap (saves a lot ofwater)

> 72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc.

> 73. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave)

> 74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels)

> 75. Soysauce, vinegar, bullions/gravy/soupbase

> 76. Reading glasses

> 77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers)

> 78. " Survival-in-a-Can "

> 79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens

> 80. Boy Scout Handbook, / also Leaders Catalog

> 81. Roll-on Window Insulation Kit (MANCO)

> 82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky

> 83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts

> 84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc. (extras)

> 85. Lumber (all types)

> 86. Wagons & carts (for transport to and from)

> 87. Cots & Inflatable mattress's

> 88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc.

> 89. Lantern Hangers

> 90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws,, nuts & bolts

> 91. Teas

> 92. Coffee

> 93. Cigarettes

> 94. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, etc,)

> 95. Paraffin wax

> 96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, etc.

> 97. Chewing gum/candies

> 98. Atomizers (for cooling/bathing)

> 99. Hats & cotton neckerchiefs

> 100. Goats/chickens

>

> From a Sarajevo War Survivor:

> Experiencing horrible things that can happen in a war - death of

> parents and friends, hunger and malnutrition, endless freezing cold, fear,

> sniper attacks.

>

> 1. Stockpiling helps. but you never no how long trouble will last,

> so locate near renewable food sources.

> 2. Living near a well with a manual pump is like being in Eden.

> 3. After awhile, even gold can lose its luster. But there is no luxury

> in war quite like toilet paper. Its surplus value is greater than gold's.

> 4. If you had to go without one utility, lose electricity - it's

> the easiest to do without (unless you're in a very nice climate with

> no need for heat.)

> 5. Canned foods are awesome, especially if their contents are tasty

> without heating. One of the best things to stockpile is canned gravy - it

> makes a lot of the dry unappetizing things you find to eat in war somewhat

> edible. Only needs enough heat to " warm " , not to cook. It's cheap too,

> especially if you buy it in bulk.

> 6. Bring some books - escapist ones like romance or mysteries become

> more valuable as the war continues. Sure, it's great to have a lot of

> survival guides, but you'll figure most of that out on your own anyway -

> trust me, you'll have a lot of time on your hands.

> 7. The feeling that you're human can fade pretty fast. I can't tell

> you how many people I knew who would have traded a much needed meal

> for just a little bit of toothpaste, rouge, soap or cologne. Not much

> point in fighting if you have to lose your humanity. These things are

> morale-builders like nothing else.

> 8. Slow burning candles and matches, matches, matches

Barth

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sac> Pat, I know it's a wonderful dream, but I too am skeptical. There is so

much

sac> wrong and I really don't think things are getting better. Look at all the

sac> poor people still in FEMA trailers in the south. It is a terrible mess, and

I

sac> also believe that we are seeing more severe weather that we can't do

anything

sac> about.

sac> I have friends that live in Germany that have NEVER had to have air

sac> conditioning. The past few summers have been very uncomfortable for them.

My thought

sac> is that most houses in Europe are not designed for AC so if they start

sac> installing it they will begin to have many indoor air problems. It really

is a

sac> nightmare.

sac> Yes, I would like the survival list! I saw the program on the news

recently

sac> about the storing of seeds from around the world. My moldy brain can't

sac> remember where it was but I know it was some place extremely cold.That

tells me

sac> that they are thinking of the worst and wanting to save seeds so they

world

sac> can start again, that is if anyone is left to begin the process.

sac> Thanks,

sac> Sue

sac> That is a wonderful dream, Sue. However, we may soon get our wish that

sac> won't be a dream - but instead a nightmare. Economically, for many of

sac> us, it's been a disaster, so we may soon find ourselves housed in one

sac> of the many detainee camps that our wonderful government has been

sac> setting up around the country.

sac> No..the rest of the world/country are still too comfortable to see or

sac> want to know the whole picture. While that's soon to change, it will

sac> be too late to do anything about it. If you list members can possibly

sac> do it, get in survival mode with canned and freeze dried foods. Store

sac> up grains for bread, rice and water. I'd be happy to post the survival

sac> list of 100 things to disappear first with the permission of KC if you

sac> like.

sac> My best and prayers for all,

sac> Pat

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