Re: Sore knees

[Guest guest]

Half squats while holding onto

something is good for the knees.

The inside of mine hurt & I asked

a trainer at the gym about an exercise.

he said to use the machine that has a seat

and you push your legs against a

stationery back board. Push away with your

legs & the seat rides on rails.

He said don't extend the legs.Only half way.

If you don;t have access to a gym, do the

half squats.

As it gets easier, add a weight belt,

or a 10# bag of flour or sugar for added weight.

Just my 2 cents . . .hope it helps.

Smitty

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>

>

> >You do not mention your age, exercise history etc.<

> I'm in my sixties, never had sore knees until the last few months. I don't

> have arthritis, but I do have fibromyalgia, so my ability to exercise is

> sometimes-y, although I can walk for oer a mile on flat ground with no

> trouble.

> >torn ligaments<

> It's not that bad yet. I'm trying to nip it in the bud before it gets

> serious. It's worst when I go downstairs, don't feel it at all when

> climbing up stairs. (I live on the fifth floor of a walk-up so stairs can

> be a consideration.)

> >what I work on is reducing inflammation.<

> Overall inflammation is something I'm currently working to reduce.

> >Sometimes this can mean taking Advil for several days-and then going on

> to herbals etc.<

> Aspirin is the only NSAID I'm willing to take, it helps only a bit. I've

> tried using DMSO topically but it doesn't help much. Using an Ace bandage

> does.

> >glucosomine<

> I took plain glucosamine years ago (and it was terrific) but at that time

> my joints were affected. They aren't now.

> >TMG<

> What is TMG?

> >maybe teasel herb tincture<

> Hmmm... I've heard of it, but never taken it. I do some research.

> >I often forget and then start to feel the creaks and discomfort.<

> I'm having more all over pain at the moment, but it comes and goes.

> >Are you, by any chance double jointed? This can be significant.<

> My joints were flexible (years ago I could put both ankles behind my head)

> but I'm not double-jointed.

> Thanks for your advice.

> Hugs, Dianne

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dianne I was just rereading Bradley's screed for arthritis - have you

seen it? I would follow this to the letter for 3 months and then reassess -

let me know if you'd like a copy. Oh but I would also add Hyaluronic Acid to

his list of supplements to take, and use VCO instead of Emu oil as I refuse

to use emu products. (I mentioned sitting down to drink anything didn' I?)

Jane

Sore knees

>You do not mention your age, exercise history etc.<

I'm in my sixties, never had sore knees until the last few months. I don't

have arthritis, but I do have fibromyalgia, so my ability to exercise is

sometimes-y, although I can walk for oer a mile on flat ground with no

trouble.

>torn ligaments<

It's not that bad yet. I'm trying to nip it in the bud before it gets

serious. It's worst when I go downstairs, don't feel it at all when climbing

up stairs. (I live on the fifth floor of a walk-up so stairs can be a

consideration.)

>what I work on is reducing inflammation.<

Overall inflammation is something I'm currently working to reduce.

>Sometimes this can mean taking Advil for several days-and then going on to

>herbals etc.<

Aspirin is the only NSAID I'm willing to take, it helps only a bit. I've

tried using DMSO topically but it doesn't help much. Using an Ace bandage

does.

>glucosomine<

I took plain glucosamine years ago (and it was terrific) but at that time my

joints were affected. They aren't now.

>TMG<

What is TMG?

>maybe teasel herb tincture<

Hmmm... I've heard of it, but never taken it. I do some research.

>I often forget and then start to feel the creaks and discomfort.<

I'm having more all over pain at the moment, but it comes and goes.

>Are you, by any chance double jointed? This can be significant.<

My joints were flexible (years ago I could put both ankles behind my head)

but I'm not double-jointed.

Thanks for your advice.

Hugs, Dianne

[Guest guest]

There's a very simple remedy for these kinds of aches and pains--get the

paperback book Pain Free by Pete Egoscue. It's been out for a long time so

you can probably even find it at a half price book store. If not, a book

store can order it for you and even new it is not expensive.

I've seen incredible miracles in pain relief by doing these simple stretches

Pete Egoscue was in the service and got wounded. After a couple

operations he still limped and still had pain. The doctors told him he'd

have to live with it for the rest of his life.

He spent all his free time in the medical library trying to see if there was

something he could do to help himself. He found enough information that he

pieced together as these stretches. Once he started doing them the pain and

the limp went away.

His follow service men started going to him asking for help, so he had them

try the stretches and they worked for those guys too. When he got out of

service he opened a clinic in CA. You can go there, or find an Egoscue

practitioner in other areas--they are listed on the www.egoscue.com site.

Do these stretches in the morning as they will then set the body for all day

When you start out it may take you up to 45 minutes of stretching but once

you are pain free for 48 hours (usually less than 2 weeks) you can go to the

basic stretches that take about 10 minutes.

The book is broken up into section for different body areas. Since your

pain is in the knees you would go to that section and do those first before

switching to the maintenance stretches. Someone with shoulder pain would go

to that section first.

Good luck,

[Guest guest]

Sounds as if you are pounding the knee joint when one foot hits the next lower

step. The pounding is shocking the padding in the knee (guess) and that is

probably the result of not having enough strength in the leg to lower yourself

gently. A new theory on exercise has been coming out as of late. It deals

exactly with this problem. When most people exercise, they push hard for fast

rep rates and continue to increase weight to build strength. As one grows

older, HA decreases in the body so the first thing that you need to do is take

things that retain the water in the padding in the joints. That is HA. From

the exercise standpoint, the acceleration of exercise puts huge stress on the

joint padding. It is being found that by slowing down the rate of movement

(with squats, how fast you go up and down), you can prevent this stress on the

joint and the padding yet still obtain the exercise and build strength. You can

do the slow squats by holding on to something and go down and up as slow as you

can with almost no stopping at the full extended and full squat positions. I

mean don't do a squat in a couple seconds but stretch it out over 5-10 seconds.

I have had very good results with this only doing 10 squats a day. I also use

DMSO on my knees every night before going to bed because I also had problems

with my knees (now 61 years). The slow squats has really helped. When I think

about it, this actually goes back to the way some athletes train in this day of

weights. Rather than free weights or weight machines, many use surgical tubing

and actually automotive shock absorbers. The continual pressure of slowly

pulling and pushing gives the muscles a very intense workout without the stress

caused by the acceleration of the weights changing direction or having to be

started and stopped. When you think about it, this is exactly what you are

doing when you go up and down the stairs. Weight training is speed and a jerk

at the end. Shock absorber or surgical tubing training is slow and without any

impact or acceleration. Hope this helps.

>

> >You do not mention your age, exercise history etc.<

> I'm in my sixties, never had sore knees until the last few months. I don't

have arthritis, but I do have fibromyalgia, so my ability to exercise is

sometimes-y, although I can walk for oer a mile on flat ground with no trouble. 

> >torn ligaments<

> It's not that bad yet. I'm trying to nip it in the bud before it gets serious.

It's worst when I go downstairs, don't feel it at all when climbing up stairs.

(I live on the fifth floor of a walk-up so stairs can be a consideration.)

> >what I work on is reducing inflammation.<

> Overall inflammation is something I'm currently working to reduce.

> >Sometimes this can mean taking Advil for several days-and then going on to

herbals etc.<

> Aspirin is the only NSAID I'm willing to take, it helps only a bit. I've tried

using DMSO topically but it doesn't help much. Using an Ace bandage does. 

> >glucosomine<

> I took plain glucosamine years ago (and it was terrific) but at that time my

joints were affected. They aren't now.

> >TMG<

> What is TMG?

> >maybe teasel herb tincture<

> Hmmm... I've heard of it, but never taken it. I do some research.

> >I often forget and then start to feel the creaks and discomfort.<

> I'm having more all over pain at the moment, but it comes and goes.

> >Are you, by any chance double jointed? This can be significant.<

> My joints were flexible (years ago I could put both ankles behind my head) but

I'm not double-jointed.

> Thanks for your advice.

> Hugs, Dianne

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

What has helped me a lot is a combination of Tumeric (Curcumin), Bosweillia and

MSM. Sometimes you can find it premixed in a formula, but I am now buying the

individual supplements at Swanson. It takes about 3 weeks for you to notice the

difference as it builds up in your body.

Mara

> >You do not mention your age, exercise history etc.<

> I'm in my sixties, never had sore knees until the last few months. I don't

have arthritis, but I do have fibromyalgia, so my ability to exercise is

sometimes-y, although I can walk for oer a mile on flat ground with no trouble.

> >torn ligaments<

> It's not that bad yet. I'm trying to nip it in the bud before it gets serious.

It's worst when I go downstairs, don't feel it at all when climbing up stairs.

(I live on the fifth floor of a walk-up so stairs can be a consideration.)

> >what I work on is reducing inflammation.<

> Overall inflammation is something I'm currently working to reduce.

> >Sometimes this can mean taking Advil for several days-and then going on to

herbals etc.<

> Aspirin is the only NSAID I'm willing to take, it helps only a bit. I've tried

using DMSO topically but it doesn't help much. Using an Ace bandage does.

> >glucosomine<

> I took plain glucosamine years ago (and it was terrific) but at that time my

joints were affected. They aren't now.

> >TMG<

> What is TMG?

> >maybe teasel herb tincture<

> Hmmm... I've heard of it, but never taken it. I do some research.

> >I often forget and then start to feel the creaks and discomfort.<

> I'm having more all over pain at the moment, but it comes and goes.

> >Are you, by any chance double jointed? This can be significant.<

> My joints were flexible (years ago I could put both ankles behind my head) but

I'm not double-jointed.

> Thanks for your advice.

> Hugs, Dianne

>

>

[Guest guest]

I use high doses of MSM powder 3 times per day and it helps, have been for some

yrs...I use boswellia caps too, but turmeric can cause stomach issues for me, so

I take heed there...

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To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO

Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 8:04 AM

Subject: Re: Sore knees

What has helped me a lot is a combination of Tumeric (Curcumin), Bosweillia and

MSM.  Sometimes you can find it premixed in a formula, but I am now buying the

individual supplements at Swanson.  It takes about 3 weeks for you to notice the

difference as it builds up in your body.

Mara

> >You do not mention your age, exercise history etc.<

> I'm in my sixties, never had sore knees until the last few months. I don't

have arthritis, but I do have fibromyalgia, so my ability to exercise is

sometimes-y, although I can walk for oer a mile on flat ground with no trouble.

> >torn ligaments<

> It's not that bad yet. I'm trying to nip it in the bud before it gets serious.

It's worst when I go downstairs, don't feel it at all when climbing up stairs.

(I live on the fifth floor of a walk-up so stairs can be a consideration.)

> >what I work on is reducing inflammation.<

> Overall inflammation is something I'm currently working to reduce.

> >Sometimes this can mean taking Advil for several days-and then going on to

herbals etc.<

> Aspirin is the only NSAID I'm willing to take, it helps only a bit. I've tried

using DMSO topically but it doesn't help much. Using an Ace bandage does.

> >glucosomine<

> I took plain glucosamine years ago (and it was terrific) but at that time my

joints were affected. They aren't now.

> >TMG<

> What is TMG?

> >maybe teasel herb tincture<

> Hmmm... I've heard of it, but never taken it. I do some research.

> >I often forget and then start to feel the creaks and discomfort.<

> I'm having more all over pain at the moment, but it comes and goes.

> >Are you, by any chance double jointed? This can be significant.<

> My joints were flexible (years ago I could put both ankles behind my head) but

I'm not double-jointed.

> Thanks for your advice.

> Hugs, Dianne

>

>

[Guest guest]

My friend has been doing Egoscue for yrs and it's time consuming, but it

works....she's so improved than before but still has issues, pain is everywhere,

for her  hands, wrists, back, etc etc  etc...

 

I just bought Dr. Sarno's book, Healing Back Pain, Mind Body

Connection.....mind can do so much good if we use it properly.

 

I did some of the Egoscue work, but slacked off since hip replacement...

________________________________

To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO

Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 6:46 AM

Subject: Re: Sore knees

 

There's a very simple remedy for these kinds of aches and pains--get the

paperback book Pain Free by Pete Egoscue. It's been out for a long time so

you can probably even find it at a half price book store. If not, a book

store can order it for you and even new it is not expensive.

I've seen incredible miracles in pain relief by doing these simple stretches

Pete Egoscue was in the service and got wounded. After a couple

operations he still limped and still had pain. The doctors told him he'd

have to live with it for the rest of his life.

He spent all his free time in the medical library trying to see if there was

something he could do to help himself. He found enough information that he

pieced together as these stretches. Once he started doing them the pain and

the limp went away.

His follow service men started going to him asking for help, so he had them

try the stretches and they worked for those guys too. When he got out of

service he opened a clinic in CA. You can go there, or find an Egoscue

practitioner in other areas--they are listed on the www.egoscue.com site.

Do these stretches in the morning as they will then set the body for all day

When you start out it may take you up to 45 minutes of stretching but once

you are pain free for 48 hours (usually less than 2 weeks) you can go to the

basic stretches that take about 10 minutes.

The book is broken up into section for different body areas. Since your

pain is in the knees you would go to that section and do those first before

switching to the maintenance stretches. Someone with shoulder pain would go

to that section first.

Good luck,

[Guest guest]

Dianne - I definitely understand reluctance re: Advil, suggest re-consider

for interim. I shared your reluctance till terrible back forced it and

doctor explained anti-inflam mechanism. Only for short term. We dissolved

in DMSO and did topical.

Aspirin - well if nec. I would use Willow Bark Tincture instead.

I have exactly the same issue walking downstairs I feel creaky.

Fibro affects it all - natch.

Other anti-inflams:

Bromelian, Tumeric, " FlexNow " (a shea product I am currently trying to

research IF it is nec. to buy this or if we can just take shea butter)

You might want to look into Silica (bamboo extract poss?) but the one I

have researched is " Bio-Sil " - it is tested and definitely bio-avail. A

little goes a loooong way...

Boswellian - these are the majors that come to mind.

Silica as Diatamaceous earth might be a consideration and of course epsom

salt baths, as we all need more magnesium to get the calcium uptake.

Are you aware of all the lit on fibro/alternatives/ and probable " causes " ?

You must be if you are here! smile. Well a very good website to visit might

be:

http://planetthrive.com/

It is superb and tremendously informative. Make sure to scroll down to find

the info.

I recently discovered that people who are extremely flexible (double

jointed etc.) actually have a collegen forming disorder!!! (gotta get off

the Web!!!) - anyhow I forget what it is called,

but significant for me bec. of knees, aging, what to take and what to do.

Thinking of taking a collegen supplement (I have Lyme and of course the

bacteria use up collagen and damage it).

My next step: Visit a physical therapist qualified to give me an exercise

program that will strenghten the appropriate muscles to support my knees. I

know as a former dancer with husband former athlete - both of us suffer the

knees - that it is safe to say that biking, stationary or otherwise is

excellent for our knees.

As for TMG - sorry no time will describe it later.

Oh - another thing I do/did was to mix an HerbPharm product called " Liquid

Lightening " with DMSO & ibuprofin and put it is a glass spritzer- did

wonders.

Hope this helps. A lot of us have this problem I'm sure.

MB

> **

>

>

> >You do not mention your age, exercise history etc.<

> I'm in my sixties, never had sore knees until the last few months. I don't

> have arthritis, but I do have fibromyalgia, so my ability to exercise is

> sometimes-y, although I can walk for oer a mile on flat ground with no

> trouble.

> >torn ligaments<

> It's not that bad yet. I'm trying to nip it in the bud before it gets

> serious. It's worst when I go downstairs, don't feel it at all when

> climbing up stairs. (I live on the fifth floor of a walk-up so stairs can

> be a consideration.)

> >what I work on is reducing inflammation.<

> Overall inflammation is something I'm currently working to reduce.

> >Sometimes this can mean taking Advil for several days-and then going on

> to herbals etc.<

> Aspirin is the only NSAID I'm willing to take, it helps only a bit. I've

> tried using DMSO topically but it doesn't help much. Using an Ace bandage

> does.

> >glucosomine<

> I took plain glucosamine years ago (and it was terrific) but at that time

> my joints were affected. They aren't now.

> >TMG<

> What is TMG?

> >maybe teasel herb tincture<

> Hmmm... I've heard of it, but never taken it. I do some research.

> >I often forget and then start to feel the creaks and discomfort.<

> I'm having more all over pain at the moment, but it comes and goes.

> >Are you, by any chance double jointed? This can be significant.<

> My joints were flexible (years ago I could put both ankles behind my head)

> but I'm not double-jointed.

> Thanks for your advice.

> Hugs, Dianne

>

>