Re: Intro and remediation question, response to Jeff May

[Guest guest]

In response to Jeff May's comments We are not chemists we investigate through

the internet and our Bio-tech. A Hotel in Florida used bleach to attempt to

remediate their mold only to have it come back. They were victims of hurricane

Charley and Wilma and had to remove their drywall in 80 rooms. They replaced the

drywall without drying the wall framing completely and the mold came back in

just days. There was no mold on the floors, furniture, bedding etc... There is a

picture posted on www.moldremedy.biz of one of those rooms that shows that

bleach Is Not effective for mold remediation and not an approved method by OSHA.

Every one has different views on this subject. We do not use CHEMICALS or

anything else that can be harmful to us. Read the Material Safety Data Sheets of

any products and see for yourselves. Its bad enough we get sick from molds, let

alone adding harmful chemicals and cleaners that can make us even sicker. We

just try to pass on information as we find it.

From: May [mailto: jeff@...]To:

@...: Thu, 01 May 2008 09:03:39 -0400Subject:

[] Re: Intro and remediation question

Chrissy,There are many incorrect statements in this post and as a chemist, I

would like to respond.Hyphae do not grow into drywall gypsum, only into the

paper, which contains about 1% starch, a far more readily digested nutrient than

the cellulose in paper. Hyphae grow where there are nutrients, and there are

none in the gypsum. Molds are microfungi and therefore only grow on the surfaces

of materials, unlike macrofungi that decay wood and send hyphae through the wood

structure.There is nothing about the ion structure (hypochlorite) that prevents

bleach from soaking into gypsum, wood, or paper. Bleach penetrates porous

materials as readily as does water.There is no such thing as a " protected enzyme

root. " Hyphae are killed by bleach.Under typical conditions of spraying, it is

impossible for the water part of the solution to separate from the bleach part

(except by evaporation).Bleach is very effective at killing microbes, but given

their vast numbers, a few microbes will

survive, thus leading to the misconception that bleach is not effective.Fungi do

not develop a resistance to bleach.The only partially correct statement in the

post is that bleach (because it is alkaline) can weaken the stucture of wood.

But since most spraying only affects a superficial amount of wood, any weakening

is irrelevant.Bleach may not be " green, " but as long as the smell isn't a

problem for you, and you take proper precautions during use, diluted it works

great on solid (non-porous) surfaces. C. MayAuthor, " The Mold Survival

Guide " May Indoor Air Investigations

LLCwww.mayindoorair.com_________________________________________________________\

_ & gt; 11a. Re: Intro and remediation question & gt; Posted by: " chrissy "

microbes4u@... moldremedy & gt; Date: Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:56 pm

((PDT)) & gt; & gt; Hi Judith, As mold remediators, we have discovered that one of

the & gt; worst things people can do with treating a mold problem, is to use & gt;

bleach, chlorox, etc...

This article is posted on our website. & gt; BLEACH MYTH EXPOSED! WHY IT DOESN'T

WORK!Mold's hyphae (root & gt; structures) actually grow into wood and drywall

like roots. The & gt; hyphae are not killed by bleach because bleach's ion

structure & gt; prevents chlorine from penetrating into porous materials such as

dry & gt; wall and wood. It stays on the outside surface, whereas mold has & gt;

protected enzyme roots growing inside the porous construction & gt; materials.

When you spray porous surface molds with bleach, the & gt; water part of the

solution soaks into the wood while the bleach & gt; chemical sits atop the

surface, gasses off, and thus only partially & gt; kills the surface layer of

mold while the water penetration of the & gt; building materials fosters further

mold growth. Chlorine bleach & gt; (sodium hypochlorite) causes long term

breakdown of wood products & gt; like & gt; studs, sheathing plywood, OSB, and

other building materials over & gt; time. Fungus and mold through

time developes a resistance to & gt; chlorine bleach. Sincerely,Chrissy Mann---

On Wed 04/30, llaci2003 & gt; & amp;lt; jjaksic@... & amp;gt; wrote:From:

llaci2003 [mailto: & gt; jjaksic@...]To:

@...: Wed, 30 & gt; Apr 2008 18:13:00 -0000Subject:

[] Re: Intro and & gt; remediation question & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

Judith,Firstly can you get someone else to get into the fan and wipe & gt; off

theblades/motor? A few times I had found that mold spores stuck & gt; to

theblades which caused my breathing problem. Have them use a & gt; washclothwith

sprayed on clorox and rinse; repeat. Also, sometimes & gt; mold spores will get

in the corners of cabinets or getonto pipes & gt; which will cause decay. Maybe

you can get someoneelse to wipe out & gt; every nook and cranny of that kitchen

cabinet with amild clorox & gt; spray. If there is mold, you're likely to see

some blackstuff on the & gt; washcloth or even spores.HI will cover it IF you can

prove it was & gt; caused by a leak in the house.llaci & amp;gt; & gt;

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[Guest guest]

I'm familiar enough with remediation to know that the solution you to

saturate the walls with et al is then absorbed back with a powerful

vacuum (90% of it supposedly). The solution must be an acid then.

[Guest guest]

Chrissy,

If you want honest answers, ask me. I've had my home remediated.

But we had dry mold spores and they got into everything. I've also

cleaned up smaller areas myself.

llaci

[Guest guest]

Shane,

You said in a previous post " In the future I will not attempt to

offer any further suggestions or information to this group but

rather sit and scheme on a plan to sell each and every member of

this group a quart of microbes " .

I have given you an opportunity to offer a " green type " of

remediation on this group, you seem to have taken constructive

critism to heart and as an attack. Asking questions have never hurt

anyone, but it's how you respond in a professional manner.

Before you attempt to offer or sell a product to this group I would

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[Guest guest]

" I will pray for happiness to

become a part of your life "

Shane, that is condescending. I'm sure happiness is already part of

his life. Nobody really needs that kind of condescension.