Guest guest Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 Joyce, You may have already told us this, but where do you get your 6mg Boron caps? And have you noticed any changes since you started ramping up from 3 mg? thanks, mara > What I'm taking is 6mg Boron caps two times per day for THREE months, I'm in my 3rd week. This is from a person in australia who sent me info on " cure " for arthritis....I've posted this on my other postings. > > Then 6-12mg as needed.... > > I have been taking 3mg daily for several yrs...so this is a dosing up regime..... > > I don't use Borax..... > > ________________________________ > > To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 11:34 AM > Subject: Re: Fw: Positive Health Online | Article - Boron: Major Cause and Cure for Arthritis > > > Bruce, > > Cannot comment on " curing " arthritis but sources for the products ... > > Boron ~ one option for purchasing this is iHerb which does ship to other countries. First time customers can use the referral code SOK933 for $5 off of their first order. > > Borax ~ in the U.S. borax can be purchased in the laundry & cleaning sections of stores and Ace Hardware stores also carry borax. > > Walter Last wrote an interesting article about Boron & Borax that is worth reading as he compiles much information and several references within the one article. Then one can either take his word or follow up on the references he provides: > > http://www.health-science-spirit.com/borax.htm > > ... Excerpt from that article under the paragraph heading 'What and How Much to Use' about the difference between boron & borax that I found interesting: > > " Borax and boric acid have been classified as reproductive poisons in Europe, and since December 2010 are no longer available to the public within the EU. Presently borax is still available in Switzerland (16), but shipment to Germany is not permitted. In Germany a small amount (20 - 50 grams) may be ordered through a pharmacy as ant poison, it will be registered. > > Boron tablets can be bought from health shops or the Internet, commonly with 3 mg of boron. These contain tightly bound boron not present in ionic form as with borax or boric acid. While suitable as a general boron supplement, I do not expect them to work against Candida and mycoplasmas, or as a quick arthritis, osteoporosis or menopause cure. Most scientific studies and individual experiences were with borax or boric acid. To improve effectiveness I recommend 3 or more spaced-out boron tablets daily for an extended period combined with sufficient magnesium and a suitable antimicrobial program (17) " > > > > > > Does Boron / Borax actually cure arthritis ? If so, where is the best quality, and preferably low cost, source for Boron and Borax ? Thanks. Bruce Chesley > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 Mara, as far as I know Boron comes in 3mg caps only, so I take 2 two times per day to get the 12mg....everyone seems to make them, Natrol, Now Foods, Vitacost brand, swansons brand, every supp company probably produces boron. Into my early part of 3rd week, I don't if I feel any great changes.... I do a lot of other things for OA issues so gotta wait longer for any dramatic or larger on the OA stuff. I do have less pain in the last month or so, but I'm also doing Alphabiotics alignments, 3 times per week, and they change the brain and help alignment of the body. joyce ________________________________ To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 8:07 PM Subject: Re: Joyce re Boron Joyce, You may have already told us this, but where do you get your 6mg Boron caps? And have you noticed any changes since you started ramping up from 3 mg? thanks, mara > What I'm taking is 6mg Boron caps two times per day for THREE months, I'm in my 3rd week. This is from a person in australia who sent me info on " cure " for arthritis....I've posted this on my other postings. > > Then 6-12mg as needed.... > > I have been taking 3mg daily for several yrs...so this is a dosing up regime..... > > I don't use Borax..... > > ________________________________ > > To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 11:34 AM > Subject: Re: Fw: Positive Health Online | Article - Boron: Major Cause and Cure for Arthritis > > > Bruce, > > Cannot comment on " curing " arthritis but sources for the products ... > > Boron ~ one option for purchasing this is iHerb which does ship to other countries. First time customers can use the referral code SOK933 for $5 off of their first order. > > Borax ~ in the U.S. borax can be purchased in the laundry & cleaning sections of stores and Ace Hardware stores also carry borax. > > Walter Last wrote an interesting article about Boron & Borax that is worth reading as he compiles much information and several references within the one article. Then one can either take his word or follow up on the references he provides: > > http://www.health-science-spirit.com/borax.htm > > ... Excerpt from that article under the paragraph heading 'What and How Much to Use' about the difference between boron & borax that I found interesting: > > " Borax and boric acid have been classified as reproductive poisons in Europe, and since December 2010 are no longer available to the public within the EU. Presently borax is still available in Switzerland (16), but shipment to Germany is not permitted. In Germany a small amount (20 - 50 grams) may be ordered through a pharmacy as ant poison, it will be registered. > > Boron tablets can be bought from health shops or the Internet, commonly with 3 mg of boron. These contain tightly bound boron not present in ionic form as with borax or boric acid. While suitable as a general boron supplement, I do not expect them to work against Candida and mycoplasmas, or as a quick arthritis, osteoporosis or menopause cure. Most scientific studies and individual experiences were with borax or boric acid. To improve effectiveness I recommend 3 or more spaced-out boron tablets daily for an extended period combined with sufficient magnesium and a suitable antimicrobial program (17) " > > > > > > Does Boron / Borax actually cure arthritis ? If so, where is the best quality, and preferably low cost, source for Boron and Borax ? Thanks. Bruce Chesley > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 I glad that I read this post. I'd been procrastinating about posting my latest " thrill " . I've been diagnosed with osteo arthritis (OA), rheumatoid arthritis (RA), pseudogout (PG) and tendonitis. So far, I've been prescribed oxycontin, oxycodone, and for the pseudogout, colchicine. I've been applying DMSO 2 X / day to knees and wrists and use wrist wraps. According to MDs, pseudogout is gout symptoms without the gout friendly diet. A few years ago, IIRC, RoseOtto and Garnet posted their recommendations, being calcium + magnesium in the AM with strontium in the PM. I'm gearing up to retake these, and now wonder if adding boron / borax would be a good idea. What else should I add to a much needed chronic pain fighting, preferably CURE, protocol ? PLEASE ADVISE ASAP !!!!! Bruce Chesley ----- Re: Fw: Positive Health Online | Article - Boron: Major Cause and Cure for Arthritis > > > Bruce, > > Cannot comment on " curing " arthritis but sources for the products ... > > Boron ~ one option for purchasing this is iHerb which does ship to other countries. First time customers can use the referral code SOK933 for $5 off of their first order. > > Borax ~ in the U.S. borax can be purchased in the laundry & cleaning sections of stores and Ace Hardware stores also carry borax. > > Walter Last wrote an interesting article about Boron & Borax that is worth reading as he compiles much information and several references within the one article. Then one can either take his word or follow up on the references he provides: > > http://www.health-science-spirit.com/borax.htm > > ... Excerpt from that article under the paragraph heading 'What and How Much to Use' about the difference between boron & borax that I found interesting: > > " Borax and boric acid have been classified as reproductive poisons in Europe, and since December 2010 are no longer available to the public within the EU. Presently borax is still available in Switzerland (16), but shipment to Germany is not permitted. In Germany a small amount (20 - 50 grams) may be ordered through a pharmacy as ant poison, it will be registered. > > Boron tablets can be bought from health shops or the Internet, commonly with 3 mg of boron. These contain tightly bound boron not present in ionic form as with borax or boric acid. While suitable as a general boron supplement, I do not expect them to work against Candida and mycoplasmas, or as a quick arthritis, osteoporosis or menopause cure. Most scientific studies and individual experiences were with borax or boric acid. To improve effectiveness I recommend 3 or more spaced-out boron tablets daily for an extended period combined with sufficient magnesium and a suitable antimicrobial program (17) " > > > > > > Does Boron / Borax actually cure arthritis ? If so, where is the best quality, and preferably low cost, source for Boron and Borax ? Thanks. Bruce Chesley > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2012 Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 How do I find Alphabiotic Alignment practitioner near me -Kansas?? Thanks BJ Re: Fw: Positive Health Online | Article - Boron: Major Cause and Cure for Arthritis > > > Bruce, > > Cannot comment on " curing " arthritis but sources for the products ... > > Boron ~ one option for purchasing this is iHerb which does ship to other countries. First time customers can use the referral code SOK933 for $5 off of their first order. > > Borax ~ in the U.S. borax can be purchased in the laundry & cleaning sections of stores and Ace Hardware stores also carry borax. > > Walter Last wrote an interesting article about Boron & Borax that is worth reading as he compiles much information and several references within the one article. Then one can either take his word or follow up on the references he provides: > > http://www.health-science-spirit.com/borax.htm > > ... Excerpt from that article under the paragraph heading 'What and How Much to Use' about the difference between boron & borax that I found interesting: > > " Borax and boric acid have been classified as reproductive poisons in Europe, and since December 2010 are no longer available to the public within the EU. Presently borax is still available in Switzerland (16), but shipment to Germany is not permitted. In Germany a small amount (20 - 50 grams) may be ordered through a pharmacy as ant poison, it will be registered. > > Boron tablets can be bought from health shops or the Internet, commonly with 3 mg of boron. These contain tightly bound boron not present in ionic form as with borax or boric acid. While suitable as a general boron supplement, I do not expect them to work against Candida and mycoplasmas, or as a quick arthritis, osteoporosis or menopause cure. Most scientific studies and individual experiences were with borax or boric acid. To improve effectiveness I recommend 3 or more spaced-out boron tablets daily for an extended period combined with sufficient magnesium and a suitable antimicrobial program (17) " > > > > > > Does Boron / Borax actually cure arthritis ? If so, where is the best quality, and preferably low cost, source for Boron and Borax ? Thanks. Bruce Chesley > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2012 Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 Go to www.earthclinic.com and look under aliments for treatment of arthritis...there is a recipi for taking bolid checken cartileg and eating two tablespoons a day. Now I was having some achs grabbing me in my hips about six months ago and I boild a bag of checken leg quarters and took the cartileg from between the joints and ground them up and ate two every day, and drink one cup of the chiled jelly boluion every night and after I had finished that I realised I did not have any more pain in my hipps...read the info listed on that site under the arthiritis section and it tell all about the parts chemicle and the guy who researched it.. Now you can also go to the vetenarins site and find the powdered version that they give to the million dallar race hourses for joint care and it is the same thing,,some people say you can take Knoxx jelitian,,,,I like the boild checken, but I only did it one time,,if I needed to do it every week I would proble go for the race horse version, .... in FL To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 12:43 AM Subject: Re: Joyce re Boron I glad that I read this post. I'd been procrastinating about posting my latest " thrill " . I've been diagnosed with osteo arthritis (OA), rheumatoid arthritis (RA), pseudogout (PG) and tendonitis. So far, I've been prescribed oxycontin, oxycodone, and for the pseudogout, colchicine. I've been applying DMSO 2 X / day to knees and wrists and use wrist wraps. According to MDs, pseudogout is gout symptoms without the gout friendly diet. A few years ago, IIRC, RoseOtto and Garnet posted their recommendations, being calcium + magnesium in the AM with strontium in the PM. I'm gearing up to retake these, and now wonder if adding boron / borax would be a good idea. What else should I add to a much needed chronic pain fighting, preferably CURE, protocol ? PLEASE ADVISE ASAP !!!!! Bruce Chesley ----- Re: Fw: Positive Health Online | Article - Boron: Major Cause and Cure for Arthritis > > > Bruce, > > Cannot comment on " curing " arthritis but sources for the products ... > > Boron ~ one option for purchasing this is iHerb which does ship to other countries. First time customers can use the referral code SOK933 for $5 off of their first order. > > Borax ~ in the U.S. borax can be purchased in the laundry & cleaning sections of stores and Ace Hardware stores also carry borax. > > Walter Last wrote an interesting article about Boron & Borax that is worth reading as he compiles much information and several references within the one article. Then one can either take his word or follow up on the references he provides: > > http://www.health-science-spirit.com/borax.htm > > ... Excerpt from that article under the paragraph heading 'What and How Much to Use' about the difference between boron & borax that I found interesting: > > " Borax and boric acid have been classified as reproductive poisons in Europe, and since December 2010 are no longer available to the public within the EU. Presently borax is still available in Switzerland (16), but shipment to Germany is not permitted. In Germany a small amount (20 - 50 grams) may be ordered through a pharmacy as ant poison, it will be registered. > > Boron tablets can be bought from health shops or the Internet, commonly with 3 mg of boron. These contain tightly bound boron not present in ionic form as with borax or boric acid. While suitable as a general boron supplement, I do not expect them to work against Candida and mycoplasmas, or as a quick arthritis, osteoporosis or menopause cure. Most scientific studies and individual experiences were with borax or boric acid. To improve effectiveness I recommend 3 or more spaced-out boron tablets daily for an extended period combined with sufficient magnesium and a suitable antimicrobial program (17) " > > > > > > Does Boron / Borax actually cure arthritis ? If so, where is the best quality, and preferably low cost, source for Boron and Borax ? Thanks. Bruce Chesley > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2012 Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 I take cal, lots of mag, D3 and do take strontium (not close to calcium). I think I read that strontium can constipate, so I don't take it always..... Wish we had the answers, I just do what I feel could be right for me...j ________________________________ To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 9:43 PM Subject: Re: Joyce re Boron I glad that I read this post. I'd been procrastinating about posting my latest " thrill " . I've been diagnosed with osteo arthritis (OA), rheumatoid arthritis (RA), pseudogout (PG) and tendonitis. So far, I've been prescribed oxycontin, oxycodone, and for the pseudogout, colchicine. I've been applying DMSO 2 X / day to knees and wrists and use wrist wraps. According to MDs, pseudogout is gout symptoms without the gout friendly diet. A few years ago, IIRC, RoseOtto and Garnet posted their recommendations, being calcium + magnesium in the AM with strontium in the PM. I'm gearing up to retake these, and now wonder if adding boron / borax would be a good idea. What else should I add to a much needed chronic pain fighting, preferably CURE, protocol ? PLEASE ADVISE ASAP !!!!! Bruce Chesley ----- Re: Fw: Positive Health Online | Article - Boron: Major Cause and Cure for Arthritis > > > Bruce, > > Cannot comment on " curing " arthritis but sources for the products ... > > Boron ~ one option for purchasing this is iHerb which does ship to other countries. First time customers can use the referral code SOK933 for $5 off of their first order. > > Borax ~ in the U.S. borax can be purchased in the laundry & cleaning sections of stores and Ace Hardware stores also carry borax. > > Walter Last wrote an interesting article about Boron & Borax that is worth reading as he compiles much information and several references within the one article. Then one can either take his word or follow up on the references he provides: > > http://www.health-science-spirit.com/borax.htm > > ... Excerpt from that article under the paragraph heading 'What and How Much to Use' about the difference between boron & borax that I found interesting: > > " Borax and boric acid have been classified as reproductive poisons in Europe, and since December 2010 are no longer available to the public within the EU. Presently borax is still available in Switzerland (16), but shipment to Germany is not permitted. In Germany a small amount (20 - 50 grams) may be ordered through a pharmacy as ant poison, it will be registered. > > Boron tablets can be bought from health shops or the Internet, commonly with 3 mg of boron. These contain tightly bound boron not present in ionic form as with borax or boric acid. While suitable as a general boron supplement, I do not expect them to work against Candida and mycoplasmas, or as a quick arthritis, osteoporosis or menopause cure. Most scientific studies and individual experiences were with borax or boric acid. To improve effectiveness I recommend 3 or more spaced-out boron tablets daily for an extended period combined with sufficient magnesium and a suitable antimicrobial program (17) " > > > > > > Does Boron / Borax actually cure arthritis ? If so, where is the best quality, and preferably low cost, source for Boron and Borax ? Thanks. Bruce Chesley > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2012 Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 PS: I'm not new to taking Boron as I took 3mg daily for a couple yrs and then when I got the new info on 12mg I decided to do it....CURE, oh that would be a miracle... I deal with miserable spinal stenosis and all worse since hip replacement recently.... So it's a vicious cycle... ________________________________ To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 9:43 PM Subject: Re: Joyce re Boron I glad that I read this post. I'd been procrastinating about posting my latest " thrill " . I've been diagnosed with osteo arthritis (OA), rheumatoid arthritis (RA), pseudogout (PG) and tendonitis. So far, I've been prescribed oxycontin, oxycodone, and for the pseudogout, colchicine. I've been applying DMSO 2 X / day to knees and wrists and use wrist wraps. According to MDs, pseudogout is gout symptoms without the gout friendly diet. A few years ago, IIRC, RoseOtto and Garnet posted their recommendations, being calcium + magnesium in the AM with strontium in the PM. I'm gearing up to retake these, and now wonder if adding boron / borax would be a good idea. What else should I add to a much needed chronic pain fighting, preferably CURE, protocol ? PLEASE ADVISE ASAP !!!!! Bruce Chesley ----- Re: Fw: Positive Health Online | Article - Boron: Major Cause and Cure for Arthritis > > > Bruce, > > Cannot comment on " curing " arthritis but sources for the products ... > > Boron ~ one option for purchasing this is iHerb which does ship to other countries. First time customers can use the referral code SOK933 for $5 off of their first order. > > Borax ~ in the U.S. borax can be purchased in the laundry & cleaning sections of stores and Ace Hardware stores also carry borax. > > Walter Last wrote an interesting article about Boron & Borax that is worth reading as he compiles much information and several references within the one article. Then one can either take his word or follow up on the references he provides: > > http://www.health-science-spirit.com/borax.htm > > ... Excerpt from that article under the paragraph heading 'What and How Much to Use' about the difference between boron & borax that I found interesting: > > " Borax and boric acid have been classified as reproductive poisons in Europe, and since December 2010 are no longer available to the public within the EU. Presently borax is still available in Switzerland (16), but shipment to Germany is not permitted. In Germany a small amount (20 - 50 grams) may be ordered through a pharmacy as ant poison, it will be registered. > > Boron tablets can be bought from health shops or the Internet, commonly with 3 mg of boron. These contain tightly bound boron not present in ionic form as with borax or boric acid. While suitable as a general boron supplement, I do not expect them to work against Candida and mycoplasmas, or as a quick arthritis, osteoporosis or menopause cure. Most scientific studies and individual experiences were with borax or boric acid. To improve effectiveness I recommend 3 or more spaced-out boron tablets daily for an extended period combined with sufficient magnesium and a suitable antimicrobial program (17) " > > > > > > Does Boron / Borax actually cure arthritis ? If so, where is the best quality, and preferably low cost, source for Boron and Borax ? Thanks. Bruce Chesley > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2012 Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 There are many in TX, CA, some in NY, NM, AR and kansas I don't know....sadly there aren't enough out there....  Check alphabiotics.com and there is a section for locations... ________________________________ To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 2:33 AM Subject: Re: Joyce re Boron  How do I find Alphabiotic Alignment practitioner near me -Kansas?? Thanks BJ Re: Fw: Positive Health Online | Article - Boron: Major Cause and Cure for Arthritis > > > Bruce, > > Cannot comment on " curing " arthritis but sources for the products ... > > Boron ~ one option for purchasing this is iHerb which does ship to other countries. First time customers can use the referral code SOK933 for $5 off of their first order. > > Borax ~ in the U.S. borax can be purchased in the laundry & cleaning sections of stores and Ace Hardware stores also carry borax. > > Walter Last wrote an interesting article about Boron & Borax that is worth reading as he compiles much information and several references within the one article. Then one can either take his word or follow up on the references he provides: > > http://www.health-science-spirit.com/borax.htm > > ... Excerpt from that article under the paragraph heading 'What and How Much to Use' about the difference between boron & borax that I found interesting: > > " Borax and boric acid have been classified as reproductive poisons in Europe, and since December 2010 are no longer available to the public within the EU. Presently borax is still available in Switzerland (16), but shipment to Germany is not permitted. In Germany a small amount (20 - 50 grams) may be ordered through a pharmacy as ant poison, it will be registered. > > Boron tablets can be bought from health shops or the Internet, commonly with 3 mg of boron. These contain tightly bound boron not present in ionic form as with borax or boric acid. While suitable as a general boron supplement, I do not expect them to work against Candida and mycoplasmas, or as a quick arthritis, osteoporosis or menopause cure. Most scientific studies and individual experiences were with borax or boric acid. To improve effectiveness I recommend 3 or more spaced-out boron tablets daily for an extended period combined with sufficient magnesium and a suitable antimicrobial program (17) " > > > > > > Does Boron / Borax actually cure arthritis ? If so, where is the best quality, and preferably low cost, source for Boron and Borax ? Thanks. Bruce Chesley > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2012 Report Share Posted May 10, 2012 Bruce, A couple of articles that may be of interest to you: The Borax Conspiracy by Walter Last - http://www.health-science-spirit.com/borax.htm Dr. Rex Newnham, Arthritis Education - http://www.rexnewnhamarthritiseducation.com/paper.asp Also in regards to your thoughts about taking calcium, magnesium & strontium ... there is a line of thought that taking calcium is often not required and may even be a culprit with arthritis type issues. At times there is adequate calcium in and for the bodies need, but it is not where it should be in the body. Often it is in the joints, brain, arteries, etc... Taking magnesium (up to 1,200 mg daily depending on individual need. Topical Mg Chloride is best), Vitamin D3 (50,000 iu/wk) with K2 (100 mcg/day), strontium & boron (or borax) might be the ticket. Boron is noted for it's role in regulating calcium & magnesium in the body. Vitamin K2 & D3 also are noted for getting calcium out of the joints and into bones. You may consider taking NOW Joint Support if you are not in a position to make your own collagen by simmering the carcass of a baked or crocked pot chicken, or perhaps using the NOW Joint Support as a jump-start while getting in the swing of getting collagen via dietary sources. Sometimes progesterone is needed as is iodine in the form of Lugol's or Iodoral type products. Tart Cherry Juice may be another product of interest. With the symptoms you are experiencing 2 TBSP or more per day may be a place to start. Most of all address the root of the problem which is most likely virus, bacteria, fungus or some other kind of pathogen. If the problem is a fungus for example, borax might be the magic ticket as it is the most effective at killing all molds & fungus both internally and externally. Interestingly, I've read that baking soda raises pH & alkalinity whereas borax raises pH without affecting alkalinity ~ at least in swimming pools. I wonder how that works in the body? One excerpt from a pool website: " In home swimming pools, borax is a useful replacement for the soda ash commonly used to raise pH. Unlike soda ash (sodium carbonate), borax will raise your pH, without having a large effect on your alkalinity. " and also from the same site: " It is a good pH buffer, though; that is, once you get your pH adjusted, borax tends to make it stay where it is. Unlike baking soda, which is also a buffer, once you add borax to a pool, it stays there. (The baking soda tends not to, or else to build up to excessive levels, for complicated reasons.) " Hmmm. Well, I added that just in case you are monitoring your pH. Maybe it just confuses things! > > > > > > Does Boron / Borax actually cure arthritis ? If so, where is the best quality, and preferably low cost, source for Boron and Borax ? Thanks. Bruce Chesley > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2012 Report Share Posted May 10, 2012 Hi Bruce,  Excellent articles. I am of the opinion that taking Calcium can make arthritis worse. Walter Last in the article states the following,   " I am doubtful whether calcium supplements are needed and beneficial, even in case of osteoporosis. In my view these individuals have plenty of calcium stored in soft tissues where it does not belong, and supplementing boron and magnesium is expected to redeposit this misplaced calcium into bones. I regard the medical focus on a high calcium intake as a prescription for accelerated aging " .  I have been taking Borax for approximately one month 4 Days on 3 days off and i have noticed easing in my joints and sense of connectivity within the joints. I have had a libido problems for about 18 months and have now noticed a great improvement. I am also taking Magnesium Chloride and apple cider vinegar. Dont be afraid of Borax. It has been used for thousands of years in chinese medicine. What you should be afraid of is the pain killers you have been prescribed as they have serious side effects.  Regards Tauqir    To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Sent: Thursday, 10 May 2012, 22:14 Subject: Re: Joyce re Boron  Bruce, A couple of articles that may be of interest to you: The Borax Conspiracy by Walter Last - http://www.health-science-spirit.com/borax.htm Dr. Rex Newnham, Arthritis Education - http://www.rexnewnhamarthritiseducation.com/paper.asp Also in regards to your thoughts about taking calcium, magnesium & strontium ... there is a line of thought that taking calcium is often not required and may even be a culprit with arthritis type issues. At times there is adequate calcium in and for the bodies need, but it is not where it should be in the body. Often it is in the joints, brain, arteries, etc... Taking magnesium (up to 1,200 mg daily depending on individual need. Topical Mg Chloride is best), Vitamin D3 (50,000 iu/wk) with K2 (100 mcg/day), strontium & boron (or borax) might be the ticket. Boron is noted for it's role in regulating calcium & magnesium in the body. Vitamin K2 & D3 also are noted for getting calcium out of the joints and into bones. You may consider taking NOW Joint Support if you are not in a position to make your own collagen by simmering the carcass of a baked or crocked pot chicken, or perhaps using the NOW Joint Support as a jump-start while getting in the swing of getting collagen via dietary sources. Sometimes progesterone is needed as is iodine in the form of Lugol's or Iodoral type products. Tart Cherry Juice may be another product of interest. With the symptoms you are experiencing 2 TBSP or more per day may be a place to start. Most of all address the root of the problem which is most likely virus, bacteria, fungus or some other kind of pathogen. If the problem is a fungus for example, borax might be the magic ticket as it is the most effective at killing all molds & fungus both internally and externally. Interestingly, I've read that baking soda raises pH & alkalinity whereas borax raises pH without affecting alkalinity ~ at least in swimming pools. I wonder how that works in the body? One excerpt from a pool website: " In home swimming pools, borax is a useful replacement for the soda ash commonly used to raise pH. Unlike soda ash (sodium carbonate), borax will raise your pH, without having a large effect on your alkalinity. " and also from the same site: " It is a good pH buffer, though; that is, once you get your pH adjusted, borax tends to make it stay where it is. Unlike baking soda, which is also a buffer, once you add borax to a pool, it stays there. (The baking soda tends not to, or else to build up to excessive levels, for complicated reasons.) " Hmmm. Well, I added that just in case you are monitoring your pH. Maybe it just confuses things! > > > > > > Does Boron / Borax actually cure arthritis ? If so, where is the best quality, and preferably low cost, source for Boron and Borax ? Thanks. Bruce Chesley > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2012 Report Share Posted May 10, 2012 I normally take MORE magnesium than calcium....most days I take 500mg calcium, a food based product and upwards of 900mg of magnesium per day.  I've always thought and have read too about the calcium to mag ratio...I believe too much calcium is taken in.  I'm in my 3rd week of 12mg Boron per day, this is a 3 month protocol of this 12mg.  I've taken Magnesium Chloride, but is it the best for joint health...  ________________________________ To: " DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO " <DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 3:58 PM Subject: Re: Joyce re Boron  Hi Bruce,  Excellent articles. I am of the opinion that taking Calcium can make arthritis worse. Walter Last in the article states the following,   " I am doubtful whether calcium supplements are needed and beneficial, even in case of osteoporosis. In my view these individuals have plenty of calcium stored in soft tissues where it does not belong, and supplementing boron and magnesium is expected to redeposit this misplaced calcium into bones. I regard the medical focus on a high calcium intake as a prescription for accelerated aging " .  I have been taking Borax for approximately one month 4 Days on 3 days off and i have noticed easing in my joints and sense of connectivity within the joints. I have had a libido problems for about 18 months and have now noticed a great improvement. I am also taking Magnesium Chloride and apple cider vinegar. Dont be afraid of Borax. It has been used for thousands of years in chinese medicine. What you should be afraid of is the pain killers you have been prescribed as they have serious side effects.  Regards Tauqir    To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Sent: Thursday, 10 May 2012, 22:14 Subject: Re: Joyce re Boron  Bruce, A couple of articles that may be of interest to you: The Borax Conspiracy by Walter Last - http://www.health-science-spirit.com/borax.htm Dr. Rex Newnham, Arthritis Education - http://www.rexnewnhamarthritiseducation.com/paper.asp Also in regards to your thoughts about taking calcium, magnesium & strontium ... there is a line of thought that taking calcium is often not required and may even be a culprit with arthritis type issues. At times there is adequate calcium in and for the bodies need, but it is not where it should be in the body. Often it is in the joints, brain, arteries, etc... Taking magnesium (up to 1,200 mg daily depending on individual need. Topical Mg Chloride is best), Vitamin D3 (50,000 iu/wk) with K2 (100 mcg/day), strontium & boron (or borax) might be the ticket. Boron is noted for it's role in regulating calcium & magnesium in the body. Vitamin K2 & D3 also are noted for getting calcium out of the joints and into bones. You may consider taking NOW Joint Support if you are not in a position to make your own collagen by simmering the carcass of a baked or crocked pot chicken, or perhaps using the NOW Joint Support as a jump-start while getting in the swing of getting collagen via dietary sources. Sometimes progesterone is needed as is iodine in the form of Lugol's or Iodoral type products. Tart Cherry Juice may be another product of interest. With the symptoms you are experiencing 2 TBSP or more per day may be a place to start. Most of all address the root of the problem which is most likely virus, bacteria, fungus or some other kind of pathogen. If the problem is a fungus for example, borax might be the magic ticket as it is the most effective at killing all molds & fungus both internally and externally. Interestingly, I've read that baking soda raises pH & alkalinity whereas borax raises pH without affecting alkalinity ~ at least in swimming pools. I wonder how that works in the body? One excerpt from a pool website: " In home swimming pools, borax is a useful replacement for the soda ash commonly used to raise pH. Unlike soda ash (sodium carbonate), borax will raise your pH, without having a large effect on your alkalinity. " and also from the same site: " It is a good pH buffer, though; that is, once you get your pH adjusted, borax tends to make it stay where it is. Unlike baking soda, which is also a buffer, once you add borax to a pool, it stays there. (The baking soda tends not to, or else to build up to excessive levels, for complicated reasons.) " Hmmm. Well, I added that just in case you are monitoring your pH. Maybe it just confuses things! > > > > > > Does Boron / Borax actually cure arthritis ? If so, where is the best quality, and preferably low cost, source for Boron and Borax ? Thanks. Bruce Chesley > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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