Guest guest Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 The purpose of this appears to be the assistance to immunocompromised persons who can't manage normal concentrations of fungi in or out of their bodies. Such medical conditions usually allows the flora within the body to run rampant. For the average person, I can't imagine this will be used since there is no way for it to be desirable to replace environmental control/prevention of fungal overrun by manipulating biochemistry to allow a higher tolerance for it. Vaccines will only address certain immunological aspects of the exposure anyway. Fungal illness isn't limited to antibody production in response to proteins. Be interesting to read the whole study and see what the researchers are intending. Barb Rubin > > Before you get your hopes up, you should realize that the vaccine has only been used on mice, so far, as of December 2006. The authors have not published any new developments on the vaccine since then (I Googled it). I will soon post a long research article, by the same researchers, (free on the internet) of an earlier published report on this vaccine. The full research article of the below abstract, costs $70 (which I don't have). I will post the link to the below abstract, at the end of the abstract. > > Its highly unlikely that any vaccine would be of any use to any of us, who already suffer from toxic mold reactions. But, it could change the world, like the polio vaccine did, once OUR EPIDEMIC is acknowledged by the world. > > Joe > ................................................................. ...... > > > Opportunistic fungi and fungal infections: the challenge of a single, general antifungal vaccine > Authors: Cassone, ; Torosantucci, Antonella > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 Also, this is for infection only. Infection is when the live mold spores get inside the body and grows inside the body, esp the immune compromized with HIV, chemotherapy, organ transplants etc. This is not the typical situation most of us deal with: Allergic reactions, irritations, CNS and other forms of reactivity/sensitivity to the proteins, glucans, enzymes, proteinases, MVOCs, mycotoxins and any of the other known and unknown components of mold spores, hyphae and the biomass in general. Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC > The purpose of this appears to be the assistance to > immunocompromised persons who can't manage normal concentrations of > fungi in or out of their bodies. Such medical conditions usually > allows the flora within the body to run rampant. > > For the average person, I can't imagine this will be used since > there is no way for it to be desirable to replace environmental > control/prevention of fungal overrun by manipulating biochemistry to > allow a higher tolerance for it. > > Vaccines will only address certain immunological aspects of the > exposure anyway. Fungal illness isn't limited to antibody production > in response to proteins. Be interesting to read the whole study and > see what the researchers are intending. > > Barb Rubin > > > > > > Before you get your hopes up, you should realize that the vaccine > has only been used on mice, so far, as of December 2006. The authors > have not published any new developments on the vaccine since then (I > Googled it). I will soon post a long research article, by the same > researchers, (free on the internet) of an earlier published report > on this vaccine. The full research article of the below abstract, > costs $70 (which I don't have). I will post the link to the below > abstract, at the end of the abstract. > > > > Its highly unlikely that any vaccine would be of any use to any > of us, who already suffer from toxic mold reactions. But, it could > change the world, like the polio vaccine did, once OUR EPIDEMIC is > acknowledged by the world. > > > > Joe > > ................................................................. > ..... > > > > > > Opportunistic fungi and fungal infections: the challenge of a > single, general antifungal vaccine > > Authors: Cassone, ; Torosantucci, Antonella > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Carl, While it is true that a vaccine can not help, or prevent, all of the non-infection aspects of mold that we all suffer from, I have noticed that a large percentage of the posts, on this board, are about the beneficial aspects of cholestyramine in removing mold from our bodies. If we, or some of us, have this mold in our bodies, then that mold is an infection within our bodies. Also, many people on this board discuss symptoms that have stayed with them for years, regardless of how many times they have changed residences or jobs. My toxic, and asthmatic, mold reactions are situational, coming and going in direct relationship to new exposures to molds and chemicals. If another person's reactions do not intensify, or diminish, due to changes in their environment, then there is a very good likelihood that they are walking around with a reservoir of fungal infection within their body. While a vaccine will probably not help these people, it WOULD help the millions of future sufferers from initially contracting a reservoir of mold within their body. In any case, when the vaccine makes it " respectable " for doctors to " talk " about mold, we have more of a chance to be listened to, as we jump up and down, waving our arms, to get their attention. Joe ......................................... --- In , " Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@...> wrote: > > Also, this is for infection only. Infection is when the live mold > spores get inside the body and grows inside the body, esp the > immune compromized with HIV, chemotherapy, organ transplants > etc. This is not the typical situation most of us deal with: Allergic > reactions, irritations, CNS and other forms of reactivity/sensitivity > to the proteins, glucans, enzymes, proteinases, MVOCs, > mycotoxins and any of the other known and unknown > components of mold spores, hyphae and the biomass in general. > > Carl Grimes > Healthy Habitats LLC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Dear Joe, Cholestyramine is used in order to carry mold *toxins* out of the body, not an actual mold infection. If you read Shoemaker's " Mold Warriors " you will see that some humans have a genetic makeup that does not allow their bodies to detox mold toxins readily, so that the toxins can remain in the body long-term, continuing to do damage and create symptoms indefinitely. Cholestyramine (and a few other supplements) can grab some of the toxins and remove them, over time. Some of us could suffer the same symptoms lifelong without some help to detox. About 25 percent of the population have this genetic makeup that makes it difficult for the body to remove mold toxins without help. Judith (Newbie) > > > Carl, > While it is true that a vaccine can not help, or prevent, all of the > non-infection aspects of mold that we all suffer from, I have noticed > that a large percentage of the posts, on this board, are about the > beneficial aspects of cholestyramine in removing mold from our bodies. > If we, or some of us, have this mold in our bodies, then that mold is > an infection within our bodies. Also, many people on this board discuss > symptoms that have stayed with them for years, regardless of how many > times they have changed residences or jobs. My toxic, and asthmatic, > mold reactions are situational, coming and going in direct relationship > to new exposures to molds and chemicals. If another person's reactions > do not intensify, or diminish, due to changes in their environment, > then there is a very good likelihood that they are walking around with > a reservoir of fungal infection within their body. While a vaccine will > probably not help these people, it WOULD help the millions of future > sufferers from initially contracting a reservoir of mold within their > body. > > In any case, when the vaccine makes it " respectable " for doctors > to " talk " about mold, we have more of a chance to be listened to, as we > jump up and down, waving our arms, to get their attention. > > Joe > ........................................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Thank you Judith. I was just getting ready to respond to Joe to clear this up. Joe, please don't take this wrong it's not criticism I just wanted to make sure that the " newbies " understand correctly. CSM is a binder to remove biotoxins/toxins/mycotoxins that are the byproducts of mold/fungi. CSM does not kill fungal colonization, that's what antifungals are for. The CSM just helps remove these toxins that continuously circulate within your symptom causing more damage to organs and immune response. Many of us, like yourself, may stay sick for years if these toxins are not removed, but also symptoms may not improve like many of us have experienced from permenant organ damage, which leads into more serious conditions. KC > > > > > > Carl, > > While it is true that a vaccine can not help, or prevent, all of > the > > non-infection aspects of mold that we all suffer from, I have > noticed > > that a large percentage of the posts, on this board, are about the > > beneficial aspects of cholestyramine in removing mold from our > bodies. > > If we, or some of us, have this mold in our bodies, then that mold > is > > an infection within our bodies. Also, many people on this board > discuss > > symptoms that have stayed with them for years, regardless of how > many > > times they have changed residences or jobs. My toxic, and > asthmatic, > > mold reactions are situational, coming and going in direct > relationship > > to new exposures to molds and chemicals. If another person's > reactions > > do not intensify, or diminish, due to changes in their environment, > > then there is a very good likelihood that they are walking around > with > > a reservoir of fungal infection within their body. While a vaccine > will > > probably not help these people, it WOULD help the millions of > future > > sufferers from initially contracting a reservoir of mold within > their > > body. > > > > In any case, when the vaccine makes it " respectable " for doctors > > to " talk " about mold, we have more of a chance to be listened to, > as we > > jump up and down, waving our arms, to get their attention. > > > > Joe > > ........................................ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 I would also like to second this information. As an example I offer my own situation. After takeing the CSM for about a year Tricothesines (toxins from stacky and fusarium) were still found in my system proveing the words bellow. This brings lots of questions as to why I know, and I cannot yet answer them. I don't believe the proper length of antifungals or antifungals period were used or perscribed is a possability, colonization is another one. Again this is a question not yet answered but by no means will CSM kill anything and if indeed there is colonization in the body Dr. Thrasher has some very interesting things to say about takeing CSM before those problems are fixed. tigerpaw2c <tigerpaw2c@...> wrote: Thank you Judith. I was just getting ready to respond to Joe to clear this up. Joe, please don't take this wrong it's not criticism I just wanted to make sure that the " newbies " understand correctly. CSM is a binder to remove biotoxins/toxins/mycotoxins that are the byproducts of mold/fungi. CSM does not kill fungal colonization, that's what antifungals are for. The CSM just helps remove these toxins that continuously circulate within your symptom causing more damage to organs and immune response. Many of us, like yourself, may stay sick for years if these toxins are not removed, but also symptoms may not improve like many of us have experienced from permenant organ damage, which leads into more serious conditions. KC > > > > > > Carl, > > While it is true that a vaccine can not help, or prevent, all of > the > > non-infection aspects of mold that we all suffer from, I have > noticed > > that a large percentage of the posts, on this board, are about the > > beneficial aspects of cholestyramine in removing mold from our > bodies. > > If we, or some of us, have this mold in our bodies, then that mold > is > > an infection within our bodies. Also, many people on this board > discuss > > symptoms that have stayed with them for years, regardless of how > many > > times they have changed residences or jobs. My toxic, and > asthmatic, > > mold reactions are situational, coming and going in direct > relationship > > to new exposures to molds and chemicals. If another person's > reactions > > do not intensify, or diminish, due to changes in their environment, > > then there is a very good likelihood that they are walking around > with > > a reservoir of fungal infection within their body. While a vaccine > will > > probably not help these people, it WOULD help the millions of > future > > sufferers from initially contracting a reservoir of mold within > their > > body. > > > > In any case, when the vaccine makes it " respectable " for doctors > > to " talk " about mold, we have more of a chance to be listened to, > as we > > jump up and down, waving our arms, to get their attention. > > > > Joe > > ........................................ > --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 USV, Thanks for this post, is there a link to or any way to find out more about Dr. Thrasher's point of view on this? Thanks, Sam United States Vet <unitedstatesvet@...> wrote: ...if indeed there is colonization in the body Dr. Thrasher has some very interesting things to say about takeing CSM before those problems are fixed. --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Joe, I apologize for not responding sooner. I can't always keep up with responses immediately. I agree with Judith, KC and others about how CSM works. I'd like to make another distinction about fungal " infections. " I have had a serious problem with fungal infections most of my life. But it is the infection (overgrowth) of yeast in the gut, called Candida. This was not and is not caused by expsoure to fungi in my environment (that which enters from outside my body). Candida is a normal and necessary component of the complex mycology of the gut. As long as it is " low " and " in balance " with the necessary bacteria, enzymes and other " stuff " then I have a healthy gut. If the Candida yeast grows too much or the bacteria become too little (usually from long term use of antibiotics) then I have too much yeast, a fungal infection. (Infection because it is alive and reproducing). Again, this has nothing directly to do with environmental exposure to fungi (mold). Also, most infections to environmental sources of exposure will occur where out bodies interface with the environment: lungs, skin, stomach. Especially the lungs. When our immune systems fights off micro-organisms (bacteria, fungi, virus) it produces waste. That's what the snot is when we have a cold. Dead virus, white blood cells, " stuff " and fluids to carry it out of the body. Some of us have an immune system that doesn't do a very good job of getting rid of all the " stuff " and CSM helps do that. Then, as you describe, if re-exposed to mold, the symptoms return. Exactly according to the description of Shoemaker's study. More CSM (or equivalent) until the " stuff " is reduced and the symptoms decrease. Get exposed to mold again and the symptoms return. Endless cycle that is not an infection. I have my Candida under control right now which means my infection does not exist. But if I go into a moldy environment, I'll get " sick. " Precision of vocabulary and appreciation of subtle differences is so important not only for us to understand, but for communication with health care providers. Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC ----- > I would also like to second this information. As an example I offer my own situation. After takeing the CSM for about a year Tricothesines (toxins from stacky and fusarium) were still found in my system proveing the words bellow. This brings lots of questions as to why I know, and I cannot yet answer them. I don't believe the proper length of antifungals or antifungals period were used or perscribed is a possability, colonization is another one. Again this is a question not yet answered but by no means will CSM kill anything and if indeed there is colonization in the body Dr. Thrasher has some very interesting things to say about takeing CSM before those problems are fixed. > > tigerpaw2c <tigerpaw2c@...> wrote: Thank you Judith. I was just getting ready to respond to Joe to > clear this up. Joe, please don't take this wrong it's not criticism > I just wanted to make sure that the " newbies " understand correctly. > > CSM is a binder to remove biotoxins/toxins/mycotoxins that are the > byproducts of mold/fungi. CSM does not kill fungal colonization, > that's what antifungals are for. The CSM just helps remove these > toxins that continuously circulate within your symptom causing more > damage to organs and immune response. Many of us, like yourself, may > stay sick for years if these toxins are not removed, but also > symptoms may not improve like many of us have experienced from > permenant organ damage, which leads into more serious conditions. > > KC > > > > > > > > > > > Carl, > > > While it is true that a vaccine can not help, or prevent, all of > > the > > > non-infection aspects of mold that we all suffer from, I have > > noticed > > > that a large percentage of the posts, on this board, are about > the > > > beneficial aspects of cholestyramine in removing mold from our > > bodies. > > > If we, or some of us, have this mold in our bodies, then that > mold > > is > > > an infection within our bodies. Also, many people on this board > > discuss > > > symptoms that have stayed with them for years, regardless of how > > many > > > times they have changed residences or jobs. My toxic, and > > asthmatic, > > > mold reactions are situational, coming and going in direct > > relationship > > > to new exposures to molds and chemicals. If another person's > > reactions > > > do not intensify, or diminish, due to changes in their > environment, > > > then there is a very good likelihood that they are walking > around > > with > > > a reservoir of fungal infection within their body. While a > vaccine > > will > > > probably not help these people, it WOULD help the millions of > > future > > > sufferers from initially contracting a reservoir of mold within > > their > > > body. > > > > > > In any case, when the vaccine makes it " respectable " for doctors > > > to " talk " about mold, we have more of a chance to be listened > to, > > as we > > > jump up and down, waving our arms, to get their attention. > > > > > > Joe > > > ........................................ > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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