Re: Depression or Anxiety or BOTH

[Guest guest]

YES, I had depression and anxiety. The anxiety was the worst part and still

have some issues but not anything like it was. I still have nightmares about

mold growing and wake in sweat. I worry endlessly about almost everything

but especially water. I hate rainy days, I don't even like to shower, run the

washer or dishwasher. I drive my family crazy by towel drying the shower after

they get out even though they use a rubber squeegee to remove the water. I

am a fanatic about water of any kind and I didn't even have it in my home and

the nightmares and anxiety until about two yrs. after I started feeling

better. The anxiety came over me like a wave. I could feel it coming and it

consumed me. I would have total meltdowns that were horrible.

Sue

May I ask...has everyone had Depression or Anxiety on exposure to

MOLD? Can everyone share, if they've had either upon their known

exposure... if it's not too difficult

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ohhhhhhhhhh yeah!!

Had serious anxiety and depression. Panic attacks and all. I had panic attacks

at the doctors visits, everywhere, there were a few days that i thought i was

going to lose my mind. Although the etiology(cause or origin) of these mental

disorders are still unknown some Docs hypothesize that unbalanced

neurotransmitters in our brains are the cause of anxiety and depression and we

all know on this board that some toxic mold def damages the brain. So it has

caused some to think that there is a correlation of toxic mold exposure and

anxiety disorder and depression. Lucky us right?? ARRRRG!!! I feel ya sista!!

happyruiam <happyru@...> wrote: May I

ask...has everyone had Depression or Anxiety on exposure to

MOLD? Can everyone share, if they've had either upon their known

exposure... if it's not too diffacult

I most certainly know that I had Extreme Anxiety and Post Traumatic

Stress Issues ... and I think I have said before, it was like I was 1

huge exposed nerve...irritable and sensitive.. but I wasn't the only

one... My entire Department was The same. One Temp. Girl that helped

out for a few weeks as a front desk receptionist, said she had never

seen a whole Dept. that was so stressed out and irritable. She made

the comment also that, " It was like everybody wanted to RUN OUT OF

THERE! She said she hoped she never had to help out in my Dept again.

And funny thing... she told me this as I was checking out of the

Psych. Dept.

As I kept going from Dr. to Dr. saying something was wrong, but not

knowing what the problem was, they labled me as depressed! I kept

telling them NO I'm NOT DEPRESSED, there's something WRONG! and I'f I

was depressed, then my whole Dept. was depressed! Then they would

tell me, " We can't do anything about them, we have to teach you how

to COPE. I was so frustrated knowing something was wrong. Then, at

the same time while going to Phych, just a few weeks, I lost all of

my muscle strength and was referred to Rheumatology and " labled " with

Fibro. I thought huh? What the heck is that? I then learned most

Fibro people have MOLD in common. OMG!!! MOLD? My co-worker and I had

discovered a HUGE area of MOLD in our very small workroom, behind a

movable cabinet. The discovery was in Feb. 2007 and by July 2007, I

had become compltely Disabled. I had no idea Mold could create TOXINS

that could make you sick...ARRRRG... and my employer told us we had

to work in that room but not put any Patients in that room. It took

them 3 weeks to cut that piece of wall out and patch a new piece in.

I remeber opening up the door and BIG chunks of mold would drop to

the floor with a poof of dust, as it hit. ahhhhhk

[Guest guest]

>

> May I ask...has everyone had Depression or Anxiety on exposure to

> MOLD? Can everyone share, if they've had either upon their known

> exposure... if it's not too diffacult

>

> I most certainly know that I had Extreme Anxiety and Post Traumatic

> Stress Issues ... and I think I have said before, it was like I was 1

> huge exposed nerve...irritable and sensitive.. but I wasn't the only

> one... My entire Department was The same. One Temp. Girl that helped

> out for a few weeks as a front desk receptionist, said she had never

> seen a whole Dept. that was so stressed out and irritable. She made

> the comment also that, " It was like everybody wanted to RUN OUT OF

> THERE! She said she hoped she never had to help out in my Dept again.

> And funny thing... she told me this as I was checking out of the

> Psych. Dept.

>

> As I kept going from Dr. to Dr. saying something was wrong, but not

> knowing what the problem was, they labled me as depressed! I kept

> telling them NO I'm NOT DEPRESSED, there's something WRONG! and I'f I

> was depressed, then my whole Dept. was depressed! Then they would

> tell me, " We can't do anything about them, we have to teach you how

> to COPE. I was so frustrated knowing something was wrong. Then, at

> the same time while going to Phych, just a few weeks, I lost all of

> my muscle strength and was referred to Rheumatology and " labled " with

> Fibro. I thought huh? What the heck is that? I then learned most

> Fibro people have MOLD in common. OMG!!! MOLD? My co-worker and I had

> discovered a HUGE area of MOLD in our very small workroom, behind a

> movable cabinet. The discovery was in Feb. 2007 and by July 2007, I

> had become compltely Disabled. I had no idea Mold could create TOXINS

> that could make you sick...ARRRRG... and my employer told us we had

> to work in that room but not put any Patients in that room. It took

> them 3 weeks to cut that piece of wall out and patch a new piece in.

> I remeber opening up the door and BIG chunks of mold would drop to

> the floor with a poof of dust, as it hit. ahhhhh

YES! I suffered from severe depression and anxiety attacks (more like

frantic panic attacks actually) the whole time I was fighting the mold

in my house. And now that I think (fingers crossed!) the mold is

completely eradicated I can tell you that I am a WHOLE lot better!

I would come home after a nice day and two seconds after I smelled the

mold in the house I would get frantic and call my husband and cry and

cry. For no reason! I just couldn't control my emotions. It was an

extremely stressful time, for sure, but my moods would change in an

instant-the only explanation I had was the mold. Everyone thought I

was crazy of course.

I started using St. 's Wort tea and two ayurvedic medicines for

depression-Bacopa and Ashwagandha-both seemed to help alot but the

real credit goes to the fact that I no longer have mold in my house.

Looking back I can't believe I was so sick-it seems like a nightmare-I

lost years to this.

Good luck, Surella

[Guest guest]

What everyone needs to understand is that the mold exposure can cause brain

damage. Neurocognitive deficits and other symptoms are present along with the

brain damage. Among these are depression and anxiety. Jack D. Thrasher, Ph.D.

Jack D. Thrasher, Ph.D.

Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist

[Guest guest]

Sue,

Thank you for havng the courage to share that. I'm dealing with similar issues

fear based, nightmares, etc. The mold issues we have had are definately having

an a psychological impact as well as physical. It is more than the stress of

the associated problems. Glad to hear that you are doing better.

Regards,

> From: ssr3351@... <ssr3351@...>

> YES, I had depression and anxiety. The anxiety was the

> worst part and still

> have some issues but not anything like it was.

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[Guest guest]

I many times feel the anxiety is worse than when I was so sick. I try very

hard, but it consumes me at times. We had a piece of flashing blow off the

other day and I called 11 people before I could find a man to come fix it. I

would not rest until it was fixed even though I was assured that it would be

fine even if it rained.

Sue

Thank you for havng the courage to share that. I'm dealing with similar

issues fear based, nightmares, etc. The mold issues we have had are definately

having an a psychological impact as well as physical. It is more than the

stress of the associated problems. Glad to hear that you are doing better.

Regards,

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[Guest guest]

Static ecephalopathy does not have to involve psycho-social

symptoms, although reactive depressions when adjusting to disability

or changes in functioning are not uncommon. However, most people

live in surroundings which, even if mold free, will likely include

petrochemicals and pesticides which are central nervous system

depressants. Those exposures, ongoing and often undetected, can lead

to anxiety and depression. This is particularly true in persons for

whom the blood brain barrier has already been compromised and/or

have compromised detox systems.

If you are taking antihistamines, antidepressants (particularly

tricyclics), certain asthma drugs like the ones under discussion

here, these may be anticholinergic drugs. They also act as

depressants and have such side effects as increasing cognitive

damage as well as anxiety, restlessness, tremor, dry mouth,

constipation etc. A study was recently done demonstrating that

elderly persons living in France (in the community, not nursing

homes), who took anticholinergic drugs (most were taking only one)

had signicantly impaired cognitive functioning in comparison to

control subjects not on such medications.

If you are CNS compromised, take your medication options very

seriously. I have chronic cholinergic system problems from pesticide

poisoning which means I can't take most of the asthma drugs and

couldn't consider most others. Singulair made me very sick

Always consider external causation as a possibility before reaching

any final conclusions as to treatments. Keep a diary and see if your

symptoms have anything to do with where you are, if the heat is on,

you are on medication, dietary effects, have had anesthesia recently

etc. Some antibiotics are also CNS active. You need to discuss these

issues with any prescribing physician and any counselors you see.

You may certainly have these symptoms as a result of your injuries.

You may have had them prior to being injured. However, it might be a

function of ongoing exposures or medications. Talk to your docotr,

and more importantly, the pharmacist since most docs know very

little about the drugs they prescribe. Look around you and test

your surroundings if necessary.

Barb Rubin

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>

> What everyone needs to understand is that the mold exposure can

cause brain damage. Neurocognitive deficits and other symptoms are

present along with the brain damage. Among these are depression and

anxiety. Jack D. Thrasher, Ph.D.

[Guest guest]

--- In , " happyruiam " <happyru@...>

wrote:

>

Hi,

I'll post my answers underneath the different sections:

> May I ask...has everyone had Depression or Anxiety on exposure to

> MOLD? Can everyone share, if they've had either upon their known

> exposure... if it's not too diffacult

YES, initially I had " Panic Type " attacks....still get them from time

to time. They get so awful that I can't even function....can't stand

in like at a grocery store or anything else, without bouncing off the

walls. I went from doctor to doctor until I found one that

prescribed Inderal for me (a beta-blocker) -- what a relief that

was! To this day I can't live without it & I have a hard time

getting it prescribed because I have no " real " diagnosis. When I

have the " panic " episodes it's the ONLY thing (besides magnesium in

powdered form) that takes the edge off.

I was lucky enough at the time to work in a medical lab, so I had the

luxury of running tests on myself & from time to time I would catch

it just right where some things would come up slightly abnormal. One

of the consistant things was thyroid studies. Sometimes they would

show " hyperthyroid " (abnormally fast), while other times they would

show " hypothyroid " (abnormally slow function). It made sense for a

lot of the symptoms that come on and I suspect that disruption of

thyroid function or the inability of our bodies to use the thyroid

hormone that's being produced may be part of the problem. The other

thing that would be out of whack was my cortisol levels -- again

sometimes too high, sometimes too low.....which again can surely

bring about the " panic feelings " sometimes, with extreme

fatigue/exhaustion other times.

> I most certainly know that I had Extreme Anxiety and Post Traumatic

> Stress Issues ... and I think I have said before, it was like I was

1

> huge exposed nerve...irritable and sensitive..

I was that way too. My " fight or flight response " was EXTREMELY

overexaggerated and any time that I get under stress (emotionally or

physically) it comes back out even now. I think our adrenal glands

get so trained to be on alert that they're always on guard. It's

awful and it interferes with normal activities sometimes. People

around me think I'm crazy sometimes, as I tend to overreact to

things....not on purpose though. I just can't help it.

> As I kept going from Dr. to Dr. saying something was wrong, but not

> knowing what the problem was, they labled me as depressed! I kept

> telling them NO I'm NOT DEPRESSED, there's something WRONG!

I had the same label! I'd try to explain to them it was NOT clinical

depression but something different..........almost like a PMS times

1000, LOL..........really, I felt like that sometimes!

>I was so frustrated knowing something was wrong. Then, at

> the same time while going to Phych, just a few weeks, I lost all of

> my muscle strength and was referred to Rheumatology and " labled "

>with Fibro. I thought huh? What the heck is that? I then learned

most

> Fibro people have MOLD in common. OMG!!!

I got that diagnosis too unfortunately.

It's unfortunate. In the medical community we're taught to see

everything in black or white. If we can't comprehend it because we

haven't been taught it then it's too hard to believe. It wasn't

until I lived it that I understood that not everything we're taught

in school is always the right thing. It's a blessing to find a doctor

that will listen and treat on the symptoms, rather just dismiss it.

Even now, armed with my mold pictures, my symptoms & my tests, there

are many doctors who still just think that I'm a lunatic when I try

to bring up the mold issue. It's very, very frustrating.

Good luck with your healing journey.

[Guest guest]

>

>

> I many times feel the anxiety is worse than when I was so sick. I

try very

> hard, but it consumes me at times. We had a piece of flashing

blow off the

> other day and I called 11 people before I could find a man to

come fix it. I

> would not rest until it was fixed even though I was assured that

it would be

> fine even if it rained.

>

> Sue

>

> Thank you for havng the courage to share that. I'm dealing with

similar

> issues fear based, nightmares, etc. The mold issues we have had

are definately

> having an a psychological impact as well as physical. It is more

than the

> stress of the associated problems. Glad to hear that you are

doing better.

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

That isn't the type of anxiety which qualifies as the kind that gets

medicated. Anxiety in the psych disorder sense is about causeless

feelings of anxiety and dread or phobic responses. While your level

of anguish over the repairs you needed was horrible, it was

experientially based and not typical of a psych disorder. When

context is introduced, the diagnostic issues are different, even if

not normal themselves.

I don't blame you for feeling panicked about your home after knowing

how hazardous it would be for you if the repairs weren't done

correctly.

Barb Rubin

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>

>

> I many times feel the anxiety is worse than when I was so sick. I

try very

> hard, but it consumes me at times. We had a piece of flashing

blow off the

> other day and I called 11 people before I could find a man to

come fix it. I

> would not rest until it was fixed even though I was assured that

it would be

> fine even if it rained.

>

> Sue

>

[Guest guest]

This is a great explination and responce.

agasaya <agasaya@...> wrote: That isn't the type of anxiety which

qualifies as the kind that gets

medicated. Anxiety in the psych disorder sense is about causeless

feelings of anxiety and dread or phobic responses. While your level

of anguish over the repairs you needed was horrible, it was

experientially based and not typical of a psych disorder. When

context is introduced, the diagnostic issues are different, even if

not normal themselves.

I don't blame you for feeling panicked about your home after knowing

how hazardous it would be for you if the repairs weren't done

correctly.

Barb Rubin

===============================

>

>

> I many times feel the anxiety is worse than when I was so sick. I

try very

> hard, but it consumes me at times. We had a piece of flashing

blow off the

> other day and I called 11 people before I could find a man to

come fix it. I

> would not rest until it was fixed even though I was assured that

it would be

> fine even if it rained.

>

> Sue

>

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[Guest guest]

Barb,

Please, what is CNS?

Thanks,

Sam

agasaya <agasaya@...> wrote:

If you are CNS compromised, take your medication options very

seriously. I have chronic cholinergic system problems from pesticide

poisoning which means I can't take most of the asthma drugs and

couldn't consider most others. Singulair made me very sick

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>

> Barb,

>

> Please, what is CNS?

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Central nervous system