Re: Other Experiences Denaturing Mycotoxins with Ozone?

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Ive heard some great things about ozone generators. I have read on this board

that one member is using her $3000.00 ozone generator in her one person steam

sauna as a treatment option. She even has the ozone go into her ear canals

through like a modified stethascope. Sounds crazy but i think i wouldnt mind

doing something like that in the near future. Her post name is xhannahx24 if you

want to do a search for her in the boards.

However i have not heard anything yet on the use of ozone on a home. BTW, do you

have a copy of that agricultural study that stated that ozone had broken the

chemical structure of mycotoxins in grain? I would like to read it.

Thanks

God Bless

Eli

lisapetrison <lisapetrison@...> wrote: Hi all.

I just found this group and have been enjoying reading the back posts.

I have been ill for a number of years but only recently made the connection to

toxic mold.

I had no idea that mold was growing in my house. (There was no odor, no visual

evidence.)

I moved out of the house, leaving all my belongings behind.

After that, I started becoming very reactive to even very small quantities of

mold.

Before I discarded everything, I tried wearing my winter coat for a brief

period of time. I

started vomiting uncontrollably.

USPS envelopes and shoe boxes invariably make my heart beat fast.

Visiting some places (Home Depot, the Cheesecake Factory near my house)

triggers a

general attack, with elevated blood pressure, heart racing, nausea,

cognitive/emotional

screwiness.

Other places (like a Borders near my house) don't bother me at first, but then

gradually

creep up on me and cause me to be really irritable with nerves on edge.

Early on, I rooted around in my purse that I had before leaving the house. My

hand got

quite burned and swollen, with the bright red color not going away for a week.

Obviously, this is a pain.

Having to leave behind my house and its contents is hard enough. But an even

more

annoying problem is the fact that though toxic mold is not GROWING everywhere

(it seems

pretty rare), little bits of toxic mold spores or poisons are SCATTERED

everywhere.

This doesn't matter to just about anyone else, but I'm so sensitive now that

even a little bit

of exposure can throw me off track.

So, the ozone. I had my house very carefully remediated, with an extremely

professional

company carefully removing all the moldy drywall in my walls and ceilings.

They then ran an industrial-grade ozone machine for 48 hours. The guy wasn't

really

encouraging that I try it, but I thought that maybe it would kill the dormant

spores and

thus seemed worth a shot. The $300 it cost was trivial.

To my tremendous surprise, after they ran the ozone, my house and its contents

felt fine

to me. And it's not that I'm less sensitive, since a few items removed from

the house

before the ozone was run (like a plastic pill bottle) still make me feel pretty

sick. The stuff

from one drawer that was left closed while the ozone was running made me feel

sick

immediately also.

I did find some agricultural studies that stated that ozone had broken the

chemical

structure of mycotoxins in grain, thus making it safe for livestock to eat. I

still didn't

expect it to work.

This isn't a cure-all, if for no other reason than that the ozone can kill

poisons only when

it comes into contact with them. Books remain poisoned since the ozone doesn't

hit every

sheet, it seems. Even if something is just sitting on the floor, the spores

trapped between

it and the floor don't get hit.

Still, it's definitely progress!

The main thing that makes me feel positive about the idea that the ozone does

work is the

possibility of periodically zapping wherever I'm living. The townhouse where

I'm moving is

remarkably mold-free, but it's not going to stay that way once I bring in stuff

from the

outside world. I'm wondering if periodic 'zaps' might allow it to remain

uncontaminated.

I also am hoping that this might help me to re-claim a FEW items (e.g. some

expensive

furniture that I really like) from my house, though it's going to be quite a

while before I'm

ready for that kind of experimentation.

Anyway, I'm wondering if anyone here has had similar experiences with ozone? I

tried

doing a content search but didn't immediately come up with anything.

The machine that was used in my house cost $10,000. I'm of the impression that

ozone

works better when used in very high concentrations (far greater than would be

necessary

to kill anyone in the house) if it's going to denature the mycotoxins. They're

tough.

(The mold guy was really surprised when I told him the ozone machine had broken

down

the poison, but he seemed happy for me.)

It's actually tempting to buy my own $10,000 machine and then ozone wherever

I'm

staying every couple of weeks for " maintenance " purposes. Going to the desert

sounds

like a great idea, but it's not practical to do it full-time and the mold is

still a problem

upon return.

Anyway, has anyone here had successes with this approach? How have you made

use of it,

if so?

Info on failures would be really useful too.

Thanks!!!

Best,

[Guest guest]

There actually is a ton of ag research on this. Try googling

Aflatoxin grain ozone

Here's one that I just pulled up at random.

http://www.ozoneapplications.com/grain_treatment/ozone_aflatoxin.htm

I don't know anything about ozone therapy. However, my doctor is aware of all

that kind of

stuff, and so I will ask him on my next visit.

Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Am no expert on this. I don't know anything about how well ozone would do in

remediating mold. But I used to be on the oxygen therapy list and the word there

from someone who makes ozone machines for saunas and oxygen therapy was to be

careful when using ozone at the " shock treatment " level as it can eat away at

anything made of rubber or plastic which can include wiring.

As far as oxygen therapy, ozone treatments can be done at home in various

ways, saunas, insulfations, ozonating olive oil and water, etc. I do know of

people who have successfully treated and cured themselves of a number of

illnesses and conditions.

Sam

E E <photoguys2003@...> wrote:

Hi ,

Ive heard some great things about ozone generators. I have read on this board

that one member is using her $3000.00 ozone generator in her one person steam

sauna as a treatment option. She even has the ozone go into her ear canals

through like a modified stethascope. Sounds crazy but i think i wouldnt mind

doing something like that in the near future. Her post name is xhannahx24 if you

want to do a search for her in the boards.

However i have not heard anything yet on the use of ozone on a home. BTW, do you

have a copy of that agricultural study that stated that ozone had broken the

chemical structure of mycotoxins in grain? I would like to read it.

Thanks

God Bless

Eli

lisapetrison

wrote: Hi all. I just found this group and have been enjoying reading the back

posts.

I have been ill for a number of years but only recently made the connection to

toxic mold.

I had no idea that mold was growing in my house. (There was no odor, no visual

evidence.)

I moved out of the house, leaving all my belongings behind.

After that, I started becoming very reactive to even very small quantities of

mold.

Before I discarded everything, I tried wearing my winter coat for a brief period

of time. I

started vomiting uncontrollably.

USPS envelopes and shoe boxes invariably make my heart beat fast.

Visiting some places (Home Depot, the Cheesecake Factory near my house) triggers

a

general attack, with elevated blood pressure, heart racing, nausea,

cognitive/emotional

screwiness.

Other places (like a Borders near my house) don't bother me at first, but then

gradually

creep up on me and cause me to be really irritable with nerves on edge.

Early on, I rooted around in my purse that I had before leaving the house. My

hand got

quite burned and swollen, with the bright red color not going away for a week.

Obviously, this is a pain.

Having to leave behind my house and its contents is hard enough. But an even

more

annoying problem is the fact that though toxic mold is not GROWING everywhere

(it seems

pretty rare), little bits of toxic mold spores or poisons are SCATTERED

everywhere.

This doesn't matter to just about anyone else, but I'm so sensitive now that

even a little bit

of exposure can throw me off track.

So, the ozone. I had my house very carefully remediated, with an extremely

professional

company carefully removing all the moldy drywall in my walls and ceilings.

They then ran an industrial-grade ozone machine for 48 hours. The guy wasn't

really

encouraging that I try it, but I thought that maybe it would kill the dormant

spores and

thus seemed worth a shot. The $300 it cost was trivial.

To my tremendous surprise, after they ran the ozone, my house and its contents

felt fine

to me. And it's not that I'm less sensitive, since a few items removed from the

house

before the ozone was run (like a plastic pill bottle) still make me feel pretty

sick. The stuff

from one drawer that was left closed while the ozone was running made me feel

sick

immediately also.

I did find some agricultural studies that stated that ozone had broken the

chemical

structure of mycotoxins in grain, thus making it safe for livestock to eat. I

still didn't

expect it to work.

This isn't a cure-all, if for no other reason than that the ozone can kill

poisons only when

it comes into contact with them. Books remain poisoned since the ozone doesn't

hit every

sheet, it seems. Even if something is just sitting on the floor, the spores

trapped between

it and the floor don't get hit.

Still, it's definitely progress!

The main thing that makes me feel positive about the idea that the ozone does

work is the

possibility of periodically zapping wherever I'm living. The townhouse where I'm

moving is

remarkably mold-free, but it's not going to stay that way once I bring in stuff

from the

outside world. I'm wondering if periodic 'zaps' might allow it to remain

uncontaminated.

I also am hoping that this might help me to re-claim a FEW items (e.g. some

expensive

furniture that I really like) from my house, though it's going to be quite a

while before I'm

ready for that kind of experimentation.

Anyway, I'm wondering if anyone here has had similar experiences with ozone? I

tried

doing a content search but didn't immediately come up with anything.

The machine that was used in my house cost $10,000. I'm of the impression that

ozone

works better when used in very high concentrations (far greater than would be

necessary

to kill anyone in the house) if it's going to denature the mycotoxins. They're

tough.

(The mold guy was really surprised when I told him the ozone machine had broken

down

the poison, but he seemed happy for me.)

It's actually tempting to buy my own $10,000 machine and then ozone wherever I'm

staying every couple of weeks for " maintenance " purposes. Going to the desert

sounds

like a great idea, but it's not practical to do it full-time and the mold is

still a problem

upon return.

Anyway, has anyone here had successes with this approach? How have you made use

of it,

if so?

Info on failures would be really useful too.

Thanks!!!

Best,

[Guest guest]

,

I heard from someone on the oxygen therapy list that this company was

reliable. i've never used this brand and can't vouch for it. The person on the

list said that he runs his unit in his attic 24/7 and it has gotten rid of the

moldy smell in his attic.

This company has what they call shock treatment units of various sizes and

strengths. And they are nowhere near $10K. I've no knowedlge though of the

difference between the unit that was used in your house and the ones from this

website called Moldkill. BTW, what brand was the one that your remediator used?

http://www.mold-kill.com/

I've thought about buying one for my home which has mold damage from a roof

leak. We're working our way to getting everthing repaired and eventually

remediated. The only concern I had was that I'd been advised that ozone can

corrode things like plastic, rubber and thereby effect electronics, wiring and

things like air handlers, refrigerators, etc. I've heard arguments on both sides

about this, but nothing conclusive.

The remediators in our area know nothing about ozone. Wish they did. Many

remediators in our area still think bleach will do the trick. We're actually

having a real hard time finding a company that can really do the work well.

I do own an odatus ozone machine that I've had for 10 years. Sometimes it was

helpful, sometimes it seemed to irritate my lungs even on a low level. This unit

is not supposed to off-gas nox which most non-oxygen zone machines will do. We

have no carpet, so I;m not sure if the odatus was interacting with something or

not.

There is a big difference in quality, puprose and price between medical ozone

machines and ozone air purifiers. The oxygen therapy list on is a good

place to check out for at least the medical side.

I hope this is helpful. Please do keep me posted if you find out anything

else. Congratulations on a successful remediation.

Sam

lisapetrison <lisapetrison@...> wrote:

The machine that was used in my house cost $10,000. I'm of the impression that

ozone

works better when used in very high concentrations (far greater than would be

necessary

to kill anyone in the house) if it's going to denature the mycotoxins. They're

tough.

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Sam and and group,

In addition to Barbara Rubin's cautions and reasons, I'll add the

following, very bluntly:

1. " I'd been advised that ozone can corrode things like plastic,

rubber and thereby effect electronics, wiring and things like air

handlers, refrigerators, etc. I've heard arguments on both sides

about this, but nothing conclusive. "

It is conclusive - by the laws of nature. Ozone is an

oxidizer and it has no " brain " that tells it what to oxidize

and what to leave alone. The stronger the ozone the more

likely the damage. " Shock treatment " levels as described

in the Web site are the most likely to cause harm. BTW, if

it can harm physical objects, what do you think it is doing

to more sensitive body tissue?

2. " The remediators in our area know nothing about ozone. Wish

they did. "

Be glad, be very glad, they don't and hope they continue

to know nothing about it. Ozone is NOT effective. Even if

it were, the byproducts and side effects are often worse

than the mold. (E-mail me off-line and I'll send you the

expert studies and the legal decisions).

3. " Many remediators in our area still think bleach will do the

trick. "

You are right about this, unfortunately. EPA and others

gave up on bleach years ago. BTW, if bleach isn't much

good while in DIRECT contact for several minutes with

mold, how will ozone be any better when it is at much

lower levels and not always in contact? The logic here

does not compute.

4. " We're actually having a real hard time finding a company that

can really do the work well. "

Unfortunetely, this also is true. Sad, but true. Many make

claims which they have found to " sell " well without

knowing a thing about if it actually works. If they fail, how

are you going to disprove them? You can't because they

will switch logic on you.

Go to the Web sites of several organizations with

professional training and experience in water damage

and mold remediation. www.iicrc.org will send you 3

names in your area. www.iaqa.org lists its members,

including those with their new Pro.Files feature which lists

their qualifications. www.iaqcouncil.org lists those with 3rd

party independantly verified certifications that require

verfiable experience in environmental consulting and

specific mold training. And www.ascr.org for specialists in

restoration and cleaning. Not everyone will be great, but

at least you are starting with those who have invested

time and money in learning successful ways of identifying

and remediating mold and water damage. The others, like

the Web site referenced, are more concerned about

selling than fixing regardless of potential harm.

5. " There is a big difference in quality, puprose and price between

medical ozone machines and ozone air purifiers. "

A rose by anyother name is still a rose and still has thorns

along with its beauty. Ozone is ozone is ozone is ozone. It

oxidizes everything that can be oxidized, including body

parts and tissue. That's why it " sometimes irritates " your

lungs.

6. Finally, killing mold does not stop the health effects of mold,

nor does it stop the moisture which makes the mold grow.

What I've never understood is how we can be so hyper about

avoiding even the hint of a reaction from mold, yet dismiss and

ignore obvious reactions to ozone, fungicides and paint that is

supposed to kill mold. Again, the logic only sells, but in truth does

not compute.

BTW, the Web site referenced appears to be in violation of EPA

laws. They make claims about killing which requires EPA

registration. Even with registration, it is a violation of federal law

to claim any pest killing device is Safe. So why would you believe

anything else they claim? Also, their Photoshop " proof " is the

most ridiculous I've seen in over 20 years. Contact EPA and ask

them their opinion.

Again, educate yourself and notice if the logic is logical or

magical. My guess is the proponents of this thread are actually

selling something and using us as bait. My congratulations to the

majority of this group for not falling for it. (I said I'd be blunt!)

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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> ,

>

> I heard from someone on the oxygen therapy list that this company was

reliable. i've never used this brand and can't vouch for it. The person on the

list said that he runs his unit in his attic 24/7 and it has gotten rid of the

moldy smell in his attic.

>

> This company has what they call shock treatment units of various sizes and

strengths. And they are nowhere near $10K. I've no knowedlge though of the

difference between the unit that was used in your house and the ones from this

website called Moldkill. BTW, what brand was the one that your remediator used?

>

> http://www.mold-kill.com/

>

> I've thought about buying one for my home which has mold damage from a roof

leak. We're working our way to getting everthing repaired and eventually

remediated. The only concern I had was that I'd been advised that ozone can

corrode things like plastic, rubber and thereby effect electronics, wiring and

things like air handlers, refrigerators, etc. I've heard arguments on both sides

about this, but nothing conclusive.

>

> The remediators in our area know nothing about ozone. Wish they did. Many

remediators in our area still think bleach will do the trick. We're actually

having a real hard time finding a company that can really do the work well.

>

> I do own an odatus ozone machine that I've had for 10 years. Sometimes it

was helpful, sometimes it seemed to irritate my lungs even on a low level. This

unit is not supposed to off-gas nox which most non-oxygen zone machines will do.

We have no carpet, so I;m not sure if the odatus was interacting with something

or not.

>

> There is a big difference in quality, puprose and price between medical

ozone machines and ozone air purifiers. The oxygen therapy list on is a

good place to check out for at least the medical side.

>

> I hope this is helpful. Please do keep me posted if you find out anything

else. Congratulations on a successful remediation.

>

> Sam

>

> lisapetrison <lisapetrison@...> wrote:

> The machine that was used in my house cost $10,000. I'm of the impression that

ozone

> works better when used in very high concentrations (far greater than would be

necessary

> to kill anyone in the house) if it's going to denature the mycotoxins. They're

tough.

[Guest guest]

Carl,

Carl,

Thanks very much for the clarifications they are invaluable and my family and

I are personally in a very difficult situation both regarding mold and water

damage, and my health which went into the tank after the damage was done and am

now on disability. I've been pouring through the files on the group site as best

as I can and am very grateful for this list as a resource. At this point my

health, our home and our finances are in the toilet, so any knowledgable help is

a God-send.

We are in the midst of a crash course of learning as we try to resolve the

situation which started due to a faulty roof installation. The efforts as it has

been for many is multiple and often times, we feel ourselves spread out beyond

belief. Plus my health condition often leves me with little energy and clarity

of thought. So, do accept my apologies if I have referred to anything out of an

incomplete knowledge or faulty thinking. This is a learning curve and an

experience I pray that we will get through.

I'd been on the fence about ozone in terms of killing mold, hence the reasons

why I'd yet to buy one. And was only passing on with considerable reservations

the site that I'd heard of. Your response was a great gift of knwledge that I'd

been trying to get answers on for about 6 months now.I just wish I had a better

science background and was healthier and could think more clearly. These days,

all I can rely on is gut instinct, hence my reservations that i couldn't yet

clarify.

My discussion about ozone units powered by oxygen was soley about it's

efficasy for treating anerobic health conditions like viruses and cancer. This

I'd learned with no medical knwledge or expertise, but from a handful of people

who have either cured themselves on their own or with a doctor's help. I've no

ability to confirm this beyond hearsay and the fact that a couple people I know

are still with us.

My post was meant as nothing more than one lay person passing on some info.

I've no interest in selling any products. I am just a newbie in a heck of a mess

right now that I hope and pray I'll survive. So again, please accept my

apologies if I've passed on any info incorrectly. I would hope and deeply

appreciate to be educated and corrected at any turn, not only for the sake of

anyone that could be mislead by any comment ourt of ignorance but also so that I

can learn, which is why I am here.

Thanks again for taking the time to address this issue which I'd been in a

quandry about myself.

Sincerely,

Sam

" Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@...> wrote:

Sam and and group,

Again, educate yourself and notice if the logic is logical or

magical. My guess is the proponents of this thread are actually

selling something and using us as bait. My congratulations to the

majority of this group for not falling for it. (I said I'd be blunt!)

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I have no plans to use ozone as a medical treatment.

Nor would I allow anyone (or any pet) to be present in a building when it was

being

ozoned. Industrial strength ozone will kill everything. Low-level ozone seems

to have the

potential of being damaging, which is why I wouldn't buy one of those machines.

Insofar as the ozone works to denature mycotoxins, that seems to me much more

important than maintaining electronic equipment. That can be replaced much less

expensively than the house.

Actually, it can be replaced much less expensively than my furniture. I have

really good

furniture.

Probably I should take all the furniture to a small storage room somewhere and

have the

industrial ozone run there. One more good blast likely would get it to the

point where I

can use it again.

Note that ozone is used routinely to purify operating rooms in hospitals.

(Check

Wikipedia.) If it's safe there, of all places, one assumes that it would be

safe in other

places.

I think this is still another attempt of the government's to try to hush concern

about

mycotoxins. If they state there's a reason to try to denature the poisonous

spores that

stick to stuff, that means they are admitting that mycotoxins are a problem.

Note that I'm not selling anything and have put a lot of research into this.

I've not posted

on this board before, but you can find thousands of my posts on immunesupport

and

hundreds on cfsunited.

I've read in depth about the party line on ozone before, and I accept that it's

one way of

looking at it. I would like to know if anyone else has had the kind of success

that I seem

to be having in terms of ozoning their possessions. And more importantly, if

so, exactly

what procedures they used.

Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Im new too but have been sick for a few years as well.I am

hypersensitive but maybe not as sensitive as you are from reading

your message.Until you find a new place and avoid the mold you will

still have problems as you have found out.Bring your contents will be

tricky too!I had luck with using an Ozone machine on my home and

contents but I found that they only helped somewhat after

successfully removing all of the mold source.It did help with

cleaning the contents of my home but I found some things still

bothered me.It was a good finishing step to the remediation I felt.If

you are going to buy one do your homework and shop around 10k sounds

very high. The (grams per hour I think it was referred to) will

explain how much ozone the machine will put out. I found that I am

supersensitive to even small amounts of ozone, even the amonts that

come from some air purifiers- i got headaches.I used to blast the

inside of my home after remediation and other times and sometimes I

would put the items that I was concerned about in a closet or bedroom

and put the machine in there. Always leave and removed your pets and

be concerned about rubber/plastic items as others reported to you. I

also read that the ozone can react to carpet and other material and

off gas chemicals and leave resisdues which can cause be problematic

as well.It definetly helped me with mold which I had in my cars!!

Getting successfully treated by a specialist will help as well.I

found one and will be going there this year hopefully in the next few

months.Im not sure if you are supposed to recomend names here so

email me and I will send you what I found after a TON of research and

not finding anyone who had a clue in my town and state for that

matter!Your problem in stores may be that you are now chemically

sensitive as well as mold sensitive as I became and found.I can

actually tell how well or bad Im doing when I walk into Home D

becuause of all of the pesisides and fertilizers they store inside

and how stong they smell too me and make me feel.When Im doing well

and my immune system is strong I doint notice them as much as whem Im

more in a reactive state.Department stores have the formaldihydes sp?

in clothing and depending on where you live they may spray pestisides

inside stores/buldings and everywhere for that matter which I found i

am highly allergic to which is why I left FLA.

It was interesting to here some of your issues as they were so

similar to a lot of mine.

Goodluck,

Bob

>

> Hi all. I just found this group and have been enjoying reading the

back posts.

>

> I have been ill for a number of years but only recently made the

connection to toxic mold.

>

> I had no idea that mold was growing in my house. (There was no

odor, no visual

> evidence.)

>

> I moved out of the house, leaving all my belongings behind.

>

> After that, I started becoming very reactive to even very small

quantities of mold.

>

> Before I discarded everything, I tried wearing my winter coat for a

brief period of time. I

> started vomiting uncontrollably.

>

> USPS envelopes and shoe boxes invariably make my heart beat fast.

>

> Visiting some places (Home Depot, the Cheesecake Factory near my

house) triggers a

> general attack, with elevated blood pressure, heart racing, nausea,

cognitive/emotional

> screwiness.

>

> Other places (like a Borders near my house) don't bother me at

first, but then gradually

> creep up on me and cause me to be really irritable with nerves on

edge.

>

> Early on, I rooted around in my purse that I had before leaving the

house. My hand got

> quite burned and swollen, with the bright red color not going away

for a week.

>

> Obviously, this is a pain.

>

> Having to leave behind my house and its contents is hard enough.

But an even more

> annoying problem is the fact that though toxic mold is not GROWING

everywhere (it seems

> pretty rare), little bits of toxic mold spores or poisons are

SCATTERED everywhere.

>

> This doesn't matter to just about anyone else, but I'm so sensitive

now that even a little bit

> of exposure can throw me off track.

>

> So, the ozone. I had my house very carefully remediated, with an

extremely professional

> company carefully removing all the moldy drywall in my walls and

ceilings.

>

> They then ran an industrial-grade ozone machine for 48 hours. The

guy wasn't really

> encouraging that I try it, but I thought that maybe it would kill

the dormant spores and

> thus seemed worth a shot. The $300 it cost was trivial.

>

> To my tremendous surprise, after they ran the ozone, my house and

its contents felt fine

> to me. And it's not that I'm less sensitive, since a few items

removed from the house

> before the ozone was run (like a plastic pill bottle) still make me

feel pretty sick. The stuff

> from one drawer that was left closed while the ozone was running

made me feel sick

> immediately also.

>

> I did find some agricultural studies that stated that ozone had

broken the chemical

> structure of mycotoxins in grain, thus making it safe for livestock

to eat. I still didn't

> expect it to work.

>

> This isn't a cure-all, if for no other reason than that the ozone

can kill poisons only when

> it comes into contact with them. Books remain poisoned since the

ozone doesn't hit every

> sheet, it seems. Even if something is just sitting on the floor,

the spores trapped between

> it and the floor don't get hit.

>

> Still, it's definitely progress!

>

> The main thing that makes me feel positive about the idea that the

ozone does work is the

> possibility of periodically zapping wherever I'm living. The

townhouse where I'm moving is

> remarkably mold-free, but it's not going to stay that way once I

bring in stuff from the

> outside world. I'm wondering if periodic 'zaps' might allow it to

remain uncontaminated.

>

> I also am hoping that this might help me to re-claim a FEW items

(e.g. some expensive

> furniture that I really like) from my house, though it's going to

be quite a while before I'm

> ready for that kind of experimentation.

>

> Anyway, I'm wondering if anyone here has had similar experiences

with ozone? I tried

> doing a content search but didn't immediately come up with anything.

>

> The machine that was used in my house cost $10,000. I'm of the

impression that ozone

> works better when used in very high concentrations (far greater

than would be necessary

> to kill anyone in the house) if it's going to denature the

mycotoxins. They're tough.

>

> (The mold guy was really surprised when I told him the ozone

machine had broken down

> the poison, but he seemed happy for me.)

>

> It's actually tempting to buy my own $10,000 machine and then ozone

wherever I'm

> staying every couple of weeks for " maintenance " purposes. Going to

the desert sounds

> like a great idea, but it's not practical to do it full-time and

the mold is still a problem

> upon return.

>

> Anyway, has anyone here had successes with this approach? How have

you made use of it,

> if so?

>

> Info on failures would be really useful too.

>

> Thanks!!!

>

> Best,

>

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hello. as most ppl on this forum know, i'm one of the advocates for

ozone/oxygen therapy!!! i don't get a chance to view/read this forum

that much anymore since i'm busy with finding employment, and helping

a good friend with her personal issues, and planning a couple of

projects that i'll undertake once i get funding (so it's pretty

important i find a job, LOL).

yes, as far as what u've mentioned---saunas, insufflations, olive oil,

and water.....all are wonderful! saunas & ear insufflations will

detoxify the body like nothing else! for women, they can add the

vaginal insufflations as a protocol.

i have two symptoms left---my fingernails/big toe nails (but these are

clearing up nicely), but i'm rather disappointed that i haven't

figured out how to grow back the bald areas of my scalp. i've recently

been diagnosed by a dermatologist as having Alopecia Aerata, and have

not yet decided if i want to have cortisone injections (which is

highly likely what he'll suggest once he returns from vacation at the

end of May). but in the meantime, i've been putting coconut oil on my

scalp before bed. i'm keeping my fingers crossed this will work. i've

tried essential oils in the past, but they irritated my scalp. all my

other 20+ symptoms from my mold exposure are completely gone.

> Hi ,

> Ive heard some great things about ozone generators. I have read on

this board that one member is using her $3000.00 ozone generator in

her one person steam sauna as a treatment option. She even has the

ozone go into her ear canals through like a modified stethascope.

Sounds crazy but i think i wouldnt mind doing something like that in

the near future. Her post name is xhannahx24 if you want to do a

search for her in the boards.

> However i have not heard anything yet on the use of ozone on a home.

BTW, do you have a copy of that agricultural study that stated that

ozone had broken the chemical structure of mycotoxins in grain? I

would like to read it.

> Thanks

> God Bless

> Eli