Guest guest Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 Help me out with this, Jolanta. How does this opinion relate to someone being cured of a cancer using D3 and Celebrex? Are you saying the D3 may have suppressed everything so that the cancer couldn't keep going as they found the Celebrex cut off blood supply to the cancer? I did a quick search to see if I could verify what you've said about Vitamin D. I presume you mean D3 or specifically the 25-hydroxyvitamin D metabolite. The few articles I looked at in support of your position take me back to my logic of several years ago: I have long considered the Vitamin D craze to be suspect based solely on the observation that it imitates what was done with margerine and soy. Lots of hype; lots of money; lots of good things and increasing understanding of all the bad things. Plus, I understand that our bodies were designed to get Vitamin D from sun/sweat exposure and no soap. ly it takes huge effort (worthless) for me to try to imagine how that works in real life for boomer-age people in the USA. I am interested to hear where you're coming from, your experience, research, etc that lets you be so convinced that " Vit.D is immunosuppressant and promotes inflammation. " I can only find info that says that and then it's countered by additional studies that counter it. And when I read it and put it all together, much of the time I still don't know who funded the studies. Then I'm too tired/bored to look up all the original ones and see what the protocols were and if they apply to any use I might have or suggest with D3. Thanks. Saralou http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080125223302.htm http://mpkb.org/home/pathogenesis/vitamind/longterm http://mpkb.org/home/pathogenesis/vitamind > > Hi, > I just want to say Vit.D is immunosuppressant and promotes inflammation. > Cancer can be caused by pathogen or yeast that is messing up DNA > expression to adapt it to iets own needs. > > Namaste, > Jolanta > > > > > From: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > <mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO%40yahoogroups.com> > <DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > <mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO%40yahoogroups.com>> > > Subject: Digest Number 2512 > > To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > <mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Sunday, June 10, 2012, 3:34 PM > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 Yes, I believe Dallas, they are using in combo, Vitamin D and Celebrex to cure bone cancer. david lubbock tx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 I had sarcoidosis and actually got complete lung function back by going on Marshall Protocol, I am not going into detail about this, but autoimmunity.org or marshall protocol site can explain. Basically those of us with RA, Sarc, lymes, etc, have a bacteria that can increase in numbers as with symptoms from uv light exposure, as it increases the wrong D, which pulls out your good D. Now finding a doctor to help you with this is impossible, so you will have to find Benicar, minocycline, and realize that you may feel worse before you feel better. I would research the site for MS, but I believe it is similar to ALS, and this protocol may help. I can say it is a miracle I got better, also I had my immune sytem tested, and I have a barely functioning one, now get treatment and even though still have some problems, certainly much better. You may have to go to three immunologist to find one that will help you, I was told treatment would not help, and or my numbers were not low enough. I do not believe that majority of docs could give a hoot, money talks, and as one doctor told me, medicine is a business, and you got to keep them coming. I am disabled RN, and have seen it get worse every year. Sick care pays well for some. So if interested, please write, and do not get frustrated when reading, take the portion that is for the doctors to your physician, and be prepared for him to not listen. After all, it would not be right to actually get some of us back to our life and work if maybe there is a way to keep profit from medicine ongoing. If I sound bitter I am, my grandson is totally disabled start age 10 from Rheumatic Fever, that no doctor would admit or treat till 2 years later. He was even hospitalized at Childrens Medical Center, Dallas with cardiac symptoms, they sent him home with a virus. Turns out they did not want a very contagious disease to be acknowledged, basically from sick immigrant children that have taken over our schools.. So all the children get sicker. But the insurance companies have saved alot of money, by denying and paying these doctors to just look the other way, this is the truth as I see it. I believe patients must if they can try to stand up to this sick care. If you die, oh well. I have seen all my entire career and adult life how patients will believe their doctors all the way to the grave. So, at least read on the Marshall Protocol, and try to get to a doctor that really is a doctor. I see a Dr is Dallas, he also does hyperbaric chamber, but he really is a doctor that cares. It took me years to find him.  Well, I have opened my big mouth enough. DB ________________________________ To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 10:37 AM Subject: Re: Vit D & cancer  Help me out with this, Jolanta. How does this opinion relate to someone being cured of a cancer using D3 and Celebrex? Are you saying the D3 may have suppressed everything so that the cancer couldn't keep going as they found the Celebrex cut off blood supply to the cancer? I did a quick search to see if I could verify what you've said about Vitamin D. I presume you mean D3 or specifically the 25-hydroxyvitamin D metabolite. The few articles I looked at in support of your position take me back to my logic of several years ago: I have long considered the Vitamin D craze to be suspect based solely on the observation that it imitates what was done with margerine and soy. Lots of hype; lots of money; lots of good things and increasing understanding of all the bad things. Plus, I understand that our bodies were designed to get Vitamin D from sun/sweat exposure and no soap. ly it takes huge effort (worthless) for me to try to imagine how that works in real life for boomer-age people in the USA. I am interested to hear where you're coming from, your experience, research, etc that lets you be so convinced that " Vit.D is immunosuppressant and promotes inflammation. " I can only find info that says that and then it's countered by additional studies that counter it. And when I read it and put it all together, much of the time I still don't know who funded the studies. Then I'm too tired/bored to look up all the original ones and see what the protocols were and if they apply to any use I might have or suggest with D3. Thanks. Saralou http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080125223302.htm http://mpkb.org/home/pathogenesis/vitamind/longterm http://mpkb.org/home/pathogenesis/vitamind > > Hi, > I just want to say Vit.D is immunosuppressant and promotes inflammation. > Cancer can be caused by pathogen or yeast that is messing up DNA > expression to adapt it to iets own needs. > > Namaste, > Jolanta > > > > > From: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > <mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO%40yahoogroups.com> > <DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > <mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO%40yahoogroups.com>> > > Subject: Digest Number 2512 > > To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > <mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Sunday, June 10, 2012, 3:34 PM > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 I believe it is probably the Celebrex, which stops proliferation and spread of cancer cells. I am learning that the research for Vit D was mostly performed and payed for by major suncreen companies. Probably the suncreen turns on wrong vitamin D (1,25 D) . I live in TX and trust me we should have no one low in Vitamin D, it is loaded in cosmetics, foods, lotions, etc., and the sun is cooking us. Caution to everyone that is chronically ill, Vitamin D can make you sick... ________________________________ To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 10:37 AM Subject: Re: Vit D & cancer  Help me out with this, Jolanta. How does this opinion relate to someone being cured of a cancer using D3 and Celebrex? Are you saying the D3 may have suppressed everything so that the cancer couldn't keep going as they found the Celebrex cut off blood supply to the cancer? I did a quick search to see if I could verify what you've said about Vitamin D. I presume you mean D3 or specifically the 25-hydroxyvitamin D metabolite. The few articles I looked at in support of your position take me back to my logic of several years ago: I have long considered the Vitamin D craze to be suspect based solely on the observation that it imitates what was done with margerine and soy. Lots of hype; lots of money; lots of good things and increasing understanding of all the bad things. Plus, I understand that our bodies were designed to get Vitamin D from sun/sweat exposure and no soap. ly it takes huge effort (worthless) for me to try to imagine how that works in real life for boomer-age people in the USA. I am interested to hear where you're coming from, your experience, research, etc that lets you be so convinced that " Vit.D is immunosuppressant and promotes inflammation. " I can only find info that says that and then it's countered by additional studies that counter it. And when I read it and put it all together, much of the time I still don't know who funded the studies. Then I'm too tired/bored to look up all the original ones and see what the protocols were and if they apply to any use I might have or suggest with D3. Thanks. Saralou http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080125223302.htm http://mpkb.org/home/pathogenesis/vitamind/longterm http://mpkb.org/home/pathogenesis/vitamind > > Hi, > I just want to say Vit.D is immunosuppressant and promotes inflammation. > Cancer can be caused by pathogen or yeast that is messing up DNA > expression to adapt it to iets own needs. > > Namaste, > Jolanta > > > > > From: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > <mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO%40yahoogroups.com> > <DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > <mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO%40yahoogroups.com>> > > Subject: Digest Number 2512 > > To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > <mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Sunday, June 10, 2012, 3:34 PM > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 I live in So. Cal. and was SHOCKED to find how deficient I was in late 2006...I'm not out in the sun like I was in my earlier life, was a beach bum for many years, but started coming in from the weekend sun marathons in my late 40's....could not tolerate it like I did when I was young.....  Many are not out in the sun and older people especially I'm sure are horribly deficient..... ________________________________ To: " DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO " <DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 11:39 AM Subject: Re: Vit D & cancer  I believe it is probably the Celebrex, which stops proliferation and spread of cancer cells. I am learning that the research for Vit D was mostly performed and payed for by major suncreen companies. Probably the suncreen turns on wrong vitamin D (1,25 D) . I live in TX and trust me we should have no one low in Vitamin D, it is loaded in cosmetics, foods, lotions, etc., and the sun is cooking us. Caution to everyone that is chronically ill, Vitamin D can make you sick... ________________________________ To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 10:37 AM Subject: Re: Vit D & cancer  Help me out with this, Jolanta. How does this opinion relate to someone being cured of a cancer using D3 and Celebrex? Are you saying the D3 may have suppressed everything so that the cancer couldn't keep going as they found the Celebrex cut off blood supply to the cancer? I did a quick search to see if I could verify what you've said about Vitamin D. I presume you mean D3 or specifically the 25-hydroxyvitamin D metabolite. The few articles I looked at in support of your position take me back to my logic of several years ago: I have long considered the Vitamin D craze to be suspect based solely on the observation that it imitates what was done with margerine and soy. Lots of hype; lots of money; lots of good things and increasing understanding of all the bad things. Plus, I understand that our bodies were designed to get Vitamin D from sun/sweat exposure and no soap. ly it takes huge effort (worthless) for me to try to imagine how that works in real life for boomer-age people in the USA. I am interested to hear where you're coming from, your experience, research, etc that lets you be so convinced that " Vit.D is immunosuppressant and promotes inflammation. " I can only find info that says that and then it's countered by additional studies that counter it. And when I read it and put it all together, much of the time I still don't know who funded the studies. Then I'm too tired/bored to look up all the original ones and see what the protocols were and if they apply to any use I might have or suggest with D3. Thanks. Saralou http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080125223302.htm http://mpkb.org/home/pathogenesis/vitamind/longterm http://mpkb.org/home/pathogenesis/vitamind > > Hi, > I just want to say Vit.D is immunosuppressant and promotes inflammation. > Cancer can be caused by pathogen or yeast that is messing up DNA > expression to adapt it to iets own needs. > > Namaste, > Jolanta > > > > > From: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > <mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO%40yahoogroups.com> > <DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > <mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO%40yahoogroups.com>> > > Subject: Digest Number 2512 > > To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > <mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Sunday, June 10, 2012, 3:34 PM > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 Something is causing bad vitamin D (1,25D) to pull out the good vitamin d.  We should get enough Vit D, if exposed 15 minutes perday with no sunglasses The research is still out on this, now the elderly I do not think do go outside enough. Those of us that drive daily are getting enough though, at least in TX Most of our days are very sunny. diana ________________________________ To: " DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO " <DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 1:50 PM Subject: Re: Vit D & cancer  I live in So. Cal. and was SHOCKED to find how deficient I was in late 2006...I'm not out in the sun like I was in my earlier life, was a beach bum for many years, but started coming in from the weekend sun marathons in my late 40's....could not tolerate it like I did when I was young.....  Many are not out in the sun and older people especially I'm sure are horribly deficient..... ________________________________ To: " DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO " <DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 11:39 AM Subject: Re: Vit D & cancer  I believe it is probably the Celebrex, which stops proliferation and spread of cancer cells. I am learning that the research for Vit D was mostly performed and payed for by major suncreen companies. Probably the suncreen turns on wrong vitamin D (1,25 D) . I live in TX and trust me we should have no one low in Vitamin D, it is loaded in cosmetics, foods, lotions, etc., and the sun is cooking us. Caution to everyone that is chronically ill, Vitamin D can make you sick... ________________________________ To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 10:37 AM Subject: Re: Vit D & cancer  Help me out with this, Jolanta. How does this opinion relate to someone being cured of a cancer using D3 and Celebrex? Are you saying the D3 may have suppressed everything so that the cancer couldn't keep going as they found the Celebrex cut off blood supply to the cancer? I did a quick search to see if I could verify what you've said about Vitamin D. I presume you mean D3 or specifically the 25-hydroxyvitamin D metabolite. The few articles I looked at in support of your position take me back to my logic of several years ago: I have long considered the Vitamin D craze to be suspect based solely on the observation that it imitates what was done with margerine and soy. Lots of hype; lots of money; lots of good things and increasing understanding of all the bad things. Plus, I understand that our bodies were designed to get Vitamin D from sun/sweat exposure and no soap. ly it takes huge effort (worthless) for me to try to imagine how that works in real life for boomer-age people in the USA. I am interested to hear where you're coming from, your experience, research, etc that lets you be so convinced that " Vit.D is immunosuppressant and promotes inflammation. " I can only find info that says that and then it's countered by additional studies that counter it. And when I read it and put it all together, much of the time I still don't know who funded the studies. Then I'm too tired/bored to look up all the original ones and see what the protocols were and if they apply to any use I might have or suggest with D3. Thanks. Saralou http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080125223302.htm http://mpkb.org/home/pathogenesis/vitamind/longterm http://mpkb.org/home/pathogenesis/vitamind > > Hi, > I just want to say Vit.D is immunosuppressant and promotes inflammation. > Cancer can be caused by pathogen or yeast that is messing up DNA > expression to adapt it to iets own needs. > > Namaste, > Jolanta > > > > > From: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > <mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO%40yahoogroups.com> > <DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > <mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO%40yahoogroups.com>> > > Subject: Digest Number 2512 > > To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > <mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Sunday, June 10, 2012, 3:34 PM > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 Indeed it can make you sicker than you were. Sun-exposure Vit D is from fat-sterols and there's the rub. Our adipose cells are a disaster. Many of us can no longer burn fat for energy which is why the obesity problem exists. Plenty of blame to go around for that one. .. Vitamin D is a complex. The key to this debate is that D3 comes in oil and water bases. Cholecalciferol as water soluble powder is what controls cancer. The oil-based stuff can make it grow since its a steroid like estrogen. They metabolize differently in the body. Dr. Sheri Tenpenny in Cleveland uses high-dose dry D3 for pre breast cancer very successfully, along w. iodine. Those in recovery from prostate cancer say the dry caps keep their PSA numbers very low. I've even heard PRs say to take some dry caps for food allergies, opening the capsules into the plate of food. Very high doses of the dry are needed to get immuno-enhancing effects but a few studies show remarkable results. Dry D3 is also claimed to be an anti-inflammatory, but I've not seen direct evidence of it. Used to take it along w/ DHEA to control an autoimmune condition. Lots of ppl used to become sun-sensitive after a long round of tetracycline antibiotics that have generated pathogenic yeasts in their bodies. Ergosterol in the subcutaneous fat tissue from yeasts mimics sterol-D, and why many cannot tolerate it. it becomes yeast food. Ditto for fortified cod-liver oil and fish oils. The sterol connection is ignored by most pushing Vitamin D. You can look up calcidiol and calcitriol as these are the correct terms. D3 in powder caps is very cheap but mostly they sell the oil-based stuff which can become toxic in the wrong person. We all have a toxic load in our 'blubber' that includes pathogens in the adipose tissue. The Marshall Protocol is the only one I know of that addresses the problem at all. The Vitamin D Council is oblivious to the correct science, and promotes all the disinformation they can. so .. if the study does not specify what form exactly was used, you have BS. ---tls Re: Vit D & cancer I believe it is probably the Celebrex, which stops proliferation and spread of cancer cells. I am learning that the research for Vit D was mostly performed and payed for by major suncreen companies. Probably the suncreen turns on wrong vitamin D (1,25 D) . I live in TX and trust me we should have no one low in Vitamin D, it is loaded in cosmetics, foods, lotions, etc., and the sun is cooking us. Caution to everyone that is chronically ill, Vitamin D can make you sick... ________________________________ I can only find info that says that and then it's countered by additional studies that counter it. And when I read it and put it all together, much of the time I still don't know who funded the studies. Then I'm too tired/bored to look up all the original ones and see what the protocols were and if they apply to any use I might have or suggest with D3. ---. Saralou http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080125223302.htm http://mpkb.org/home/pathogenesis/vitamind/longterm http://mpkb.org/home/pathogenesis/vitamind ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > I just want to say Vit.D is immunosuppressant and promotes inflammation. > Cancer can be caused by pathogen or yeast that is messing up DNA > expression to adapt it to iets own needs. -- Jolanta > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 People in the southern states are probably a lot better than those north of atlanta.....Then there are the many who sit at desks all day on the technology....you've got to get that SUN exposure on the whole body...have you had your D levels checked....my doc here in so cal likes to see patients at about 70 on a range of 20-100 and work on maintaining that level.  When I started out with labs I was at 15...  During this time, I was seeing another doc and we were talking about the D issue and he decided to check his own levels and he was a low 17......  I see only mostly integrative MD's and they are up on what they feel is optimal for levels...  BTW: after hip replacement surgery, my levels dropped 40 pts from almost 80 to 40....the Vitamin D Council reported that D levels " CAN " drop after surgery and sure enough, mine did a major drop.  Anway, check your levels if you live north of Atlanta for sure.     ________________________________ To: " DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO " <DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 11:57 AM Subject: Re: Vit D & cancer  Something is causing bad vitamin D (1,25D) to pull out the good vitamin d.  We should get enough Vit D, if exposed 15 minutes perday with no sunglasses The research is still out on this, now the elderly I do not think do go outside enough. Those of us that drive daily are getting enough though, at least in TX Most of our days are very sunny. diana ________________________________ To: " DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO " <DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 1:50 PM Subject: Re: Vit D & cancer  I live in So. Cal. and was SHOCKED to find how deficient I was in late 2006...I'm not out in the sun like I was in my earlier life, was a beach bum for many years, but started coming in from the weekend sun marathons in my late 40's....could not tolerate it like I did when I was young.....  Many are not out in the sun and older people especially I'm sure are horribly deficient..... ________________________________ To: " DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO " <DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 11:39 AM Subject: Re: Vit D & cancer  I believe it is probably the Celebrex, which stops proliferation and spread of cancer cells. I am learning that the research for Vit D was mostly performed and payed for by major suncreen companies. Probably the suncreen turns on wrong vitamin D (1,25 D) . I live in TX and trust me we should have no one low in Vitamin D, it is loaded in cosmetics, foods, lotions, etc., and the sun is cooking us. Caution to everyone that is chronically ill, Vitamin D can make you sick... ________________________________ To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 10:37 AM Subject: Re: Vit D & cancer  Help me out with this, Jolanta. How does this opinion relate to someone being cured of a cancer using D3 and Celebrex? Are you saying the D3 may have suppressed everything so that the cancer couldn't keep going as they found the Celebrex cut off blood supply to the cancer? I did a quick search to see if I could verify what you've said about Vitamin D. I presume you mean D3 or specifically the 25-hydroxyvitamin D metabolite. The few articles I looked at in support of your position take me back to my logic of several years ago: I have long considered the Vitamin D craze to be suspect based solely on the observation that it imitates what was done with margerine and soy. Lots of hype; lots of money; lots of good things and increasing understanding of all the bad things. Plus, I understand that our bodies were designed to get Vitamin D from sun/sweat exposure and no soap. ly it takes huge effort (worthless) for me to try to imagine how that works in real life for boomer-age people in the USA. I am interested to hear where you're coming from, your experience, research, etc that lets you be so convinced that " Vit.D is immunosuppressant and promotes inflammation. " I can only find info that says that and then it's countered by additional studies that counter it. And when I read it and put it all together, much of the time I still don't know who funded the studies. Then I'm too tired/bored to look up all the original ones and see what the protocols were and if they apply to any use I might have or suggest with D3. Thanks. Saralou http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080125223302.htm http://mpkb.org/home/pathogenesis/vitamind/longterm http://mpkb.org/home/pathogenesis/vitamind > > Hi, > I just want to say Vit.D is immunosuppressant and promotes inflammation. > Cancer can be caused by pathogen or yeast that is messing up DNA > expression to adapt it to iets own needs. > > Namaste, > Jolanta > > > > > From: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > <mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO%40yahoogroups.com> > <DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > <mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO%40yahoogroups.com>> > > Subject: Digest Number 2512 > > To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > <mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Sunday, June 10, 2012, 3:34 PM > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 DALLAS - Walking is just fine with 58-year-old Cecil, who used to be an avid runner. " I was running and I started feeling pain in my left leg, and it was also tender when I slept on that side, " she said. Cecil suspected a shin splint or pulled muscle. A bone scan, however, revealed a rare and aggressive tumor called dedifferentiated chondrosarcoma. The bone cancer is virtually unstudied. According to limited information, only one in 10 diagnosed with it survive two years. " Very scary, " recalled Cecil of how she felt upon learning of the diagnosis. " The world just turned upside down in one visit here. " Cecil had surgery to remove the cancerous part of her femur and replace it with a metal implant, but that wasn't enough. She struggled with powerful chemotherapy medications. " Ms. Cecil's tumor was resistant to every single drug that we were giving her, " said Dr. Casas, an orthopaedic oncologist at Forest Park Medical Center. " And it was resistant to most of the drugs that we would have given her. " Casas said chemo-sensitivity tests were ordered in this case because the cancer is so difficult to treat. In other more common cancers, studied regularly, tests have previously shown what drugs may work best. Based on the sensitivity test, and new research, Forest Park doctors decided to try an unconventional approach, using over-the-counter vitamin D and the common arthritis drug, Celebrex. Recent studies show vitamin D does more than just reinforce strong bones. " The vitamin D can inhibit growth of the cancer cells, " Casas explained. " Celebrex has been shown to inhibit a process called angiogenesis, which is the formation of new blood vessels in other unrelated cancers. " It worked. A year after diagnosis, Cecil is considered cancer-free. Casas said the combination has shown positive results in other bone cancer cases recently too. He also gave credit to collaborating with other doctors willing to consider alternative cancer therapies. " The more communication there is between the different doctors, " the more out-of-the-box treatments that we're going to see. " " I'm just thankful to be mobile and able to exercise, " Cecil said. And though Cecil may never run again, she is thrilled to be walking, and alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012  Hello tlsmith,  Thank you so much for your email about raspberry. I really appreciate that. I take D3, Cholecalciferol, by Bio-Tech (www.BioTechPharmacal.com). It was cheap. I got it at a chiropractor's office. I guess that is considered the good and dry form, since their website reads " dry " . Do you have a preferred brand for dry form of vitamin D3, please?  http://www.biotechpharmacal.com/catalog/d3-5-5000-iu/  I'm not sure I understood the reason why we cannot absorbed the vitamin D from sun. Is it because fat needs to mobilize witht he heat and our fat doesn't?? Sorry, I'm sure it sounds really dumb...  What does PRs mean, please?  Thank you so much,  Silvia   ________________________________ De: tlsmith_1 Para: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Enviado: Lunes 11 de junio de 2012 12:15 Asunto: Re: Vit D & cancer  Indeed it can make you sicker than you were. Sun-exposure Vit D is from fat-sterols and there's the rub. Our adipose cells are a disaster. Many of us can no longer burn fat for energy which is why the obesity problem exists. Plenty of blame to go around for that one. .. Vitamin D is a complex. The key to this debate is that D3 comes in oil and water bases. Cholecalciferol as water soluble powder is what controls cancer. The oil-based stuff can make it grow since its a steroid like estrogen. They metabolize differently in the body. Dr. Sheri Tenpenny in Cleveland uses high-dose dry D3 for pre breast cancer very successfully, along w. iodine. Those in recovery from prostate cancer say the dry caps keep their PSA numbers very low. I've even heard PRs say to take some dry caps for food allergies, opening the capsules into the plate of food. Very high doses of the dry are needed to get immuno-enhancing effects but a few studies show remarkable results. Dry D3 is also claimed to be an anti-inflammatory, but I've not seen direct evidence of it. Used to take it along w/ DHEA to control an autoimmune condition. Lots of ppl used to become sun-sensitive after a long round of tetracycline antibiotics that have generated pathogenic yeasts in their bodies. Ergosterol in the subcutaneous fat tissue from yeasts mimics sterol-D, and why many cannot tolerate it. it becomes yeast food. Ditto for fortified cod-liver oil and fish oils. The sterol connection is ignored by most pushing Vitamin D. You can look up calcidiol and calcitriol as these are the correct terms. D3 in powder caps is very cheap but mostly they sell the oil-based stuff which can become toxic in the wrong person. We all have a toxic load in our 'blubber' that includes pathogens in the adipose tissue. The Marshall Protocol is the only one I know of that addresses the problem at all. The Vitamin D Council is oblivious to the correct science, and promotes all the disinformation they can. so .. if the study does not specify what form exactly was used, you have BS. ---tls Re: Vit D & cancer I believe it is probably the Celebrex, which stops proliferation and spread of cancer cells. I am learning that the research for Vit D was mostly performed and payed for by major suncreen companies. Probably the suncreen turns on wrong vitamin D (1,25 D) . I live in TX and trust me we should have no one low in Vitamin D, it is loaded in cosmetics, foods, lotions, etc., and the sun is cooking us. Caution to everyone that is chronically ill, Vitamin D can make you sick... ________________________________ I can only find info that says that and then it's countered by additional studies that counter it. And when I read it and put it all together, much of the time I still don't know who funded the studies. Then I'm too tired/bored to look up all the original ones and see what the protocols were and if they apply to any use I might have or suggest with D3. ---. Saralou http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080125223302.htm http://mpkb.org/home/pathogenesis/vitamind/longterm http://mpkb.org/home/pathogenesis/vitamind ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > I just want to say Vit.D is immunosuppressant and promotes inflammation. > Cancer can be caused by pathogen or yeast that is messing up DNA > expression to adapt it to iets own needs. -- Jolanta > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 You are so smart, and I thank you for explaining to all of us. I am going searching for the powder ASAP. Do you understand the UV light connection, I do know that sitting in front of computers, TV, fluroescent lighting can exacerabate my symptoms. Sick people love the dark do they not??? ________________________________ To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 2:15 PM Subject: Re: Vit D & cancer  Indeed it can make you sicker than you were. Sun-exposure Vit D is from fat-sterols and there's the rub. Our adipose cells are a disaster. Many of us can no longer burn fat for energy which is why the obesity problem exists. Plenty of blame to go around for that one. .. Vitamin D is a complex. The key to this debate is that D3 comes in oil and water bases. Cholecalciferol as water soluble powder is what controls cancer. The oil-based stuff can make it grow since its a steroid like estrogen. They metabolize differently in the body. Dr. Sheri Tenpenny in Cleveland uses high-dose dry D3 for pre breast cancer very successfully, along w. iodine. Those in recovery from prostate cancer say the dry caps keep their PSA numbers very low. I've even heard PRs say to take some dry caps for food allergies, opening the capsules into the plate of food. Very high doses of the dry are needed to get immuno-enhancing effects but a few studies show remarkable results. Dry D3 is also claimed to be an anti-inflammatory, but I've not seen direct evidence of it. Used to take it along w/ DHEA to control an autoimmune condition. Lots of ppl used to become sun-sensitive after a long round of tetracycline antibiotics that have generated pathogenic yeasts in their bodies. Ergosterol in the subcutaneous fat tissue from yeasts mimics sterol-D, and why many cannot tolerate it. it becomes yeast food. Ditto for fortified cod-liver oil and fish oils. The sterol connection is ignored by most pushing Vitamin D. You can look up calcidiol and calcitriol as these are the correct terms. D3 in powder caps is very cheap but mostly they sell the oil-based stuff which can become toxic in the wrong person. We all have a toxic load in our 'blubber' that includes pathogens in the adipose tissue. The Marshall Protocol is the only one I know of that addresses the problem at all. The Vitamin D Council is oblivious to the correct science, and promotes all the disinformation they can. so .. if the study does not specify what form exactly was used, you have BS. ---tls Re: Vit D & cancer I believe it is probably the Celebrex, which stops proliferation and spread of cancer cells. I am learning that the research for Vit D was mostly performed and payed for by major suncreen companies. Probably the suncreen turns on wrong vitamin D (1,25 D) . I live in TX and trust me we should have no one low in Vitamin D, it is loaded in cosmetics, foods, lotions, etc., and the sun is cooking us. Caution to everyone that is chronically ill, Vitamin D can make you sick... ________________________________ I can only find info that says that and then it's countered by additional studies that counter it. And when I read it and put it all together, much of the time I still don't know who funded the studies. Then I'm too tired/bored to look up all the original ones and see what the protocols were and if they apply to any use I might have or suggest with D3. ---. Saralou http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080125223302.htm http://mpkb.org/home/pathogenesis/vitamind/longterm http://mpkb.org/home/pathogenesis/vitamind ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > I just want to say Vit.D is immunosuppressant and promotes inflammation. > Cancer can be caused by pathogen or yeast that is messing up DNA > expression to adapt it to iets own needs. -- Jolanta > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 I live in TX & my reg doctor decided to check my vit D level about 2 or 3 years ago due to a health issue and it was 8. He was very shocked & so was I to say the least. I have been getting D3 in oil caps but will certainly look into the powdered. Thanks for having this thread. Edith Digest Number 2512 > > To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > <mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO%40yahoogroups.com>; > > Date: Sunday, June 10, 2012, 3:34 PM > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 Yes, one can live in the south and still be very deficient, I take only powder D3 now..... ________________________________ To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 7:02 AM Subject: Re: Vit D & cancer  I live in TX & my reg doctor decided to check my vit D level about 2 or 3 years ago due to a health issue and it was 8. He was very shocked & so was I to say the least. I have been getting D3 in oil caps but will certainly look into the powdered. Thanks for having this thread. Edith Digest Number 2512 > > To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > <mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO%40yahoogroups.com>; > > Date: Sunday, June 10, 2012, 3:34 PM > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 Sylvia, Not TL but I know how to research the Sun and Vit D......Your body was designed to absorb it BUT....the angle of the sun at your lattitude is significant in how much you can absorb in what length of time. In addition, simplistically, sun hits the oils on your skin to produce the D and then some say it takes a couple of days to fully absorb. So you go outside and sit in the sun with as much exposure as is seasonably possible. If you're hot and sweaty, you likely need less time but then you go use soap and water to clear the growing (odor) bacteria and interrupt the process. Now that I write that out, I can see there must be more. While we may have been designed for tropical climates, how does the body adapt to the need for more D at lattitudes that prevent D absorption? My guess, and it is a guess, is that we learn to eat things that help--like all the fat consumed by the innuit. Whatever you think of Mercola, he does keep up with research. Here's a good video/transcript on the subject http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/05/12/shocking-update-su\ nshine-can-actually-decrease-your-vitamin-d-levels.aspx As of this date no one has ever tested whether vitamin D is formed in human sebum, the fat that your skin produces. The only study that support that vitamin D3 is formed in the dermal epidermal junction was done in humans were the sebum was removed from the skin. (commens on his site are always instructive) However, this has been extensively tested in animals and that is precisely where the vitamin D3 is formed. In fact that is where most of the oral vitamin D3 in supplements comes from, lanolin and the sebum like material in the skin of sheep and cows Additionally you can rub vitamin D3 on your skin and it easily penetrates into your bloodstream (assuming you don't wash it off for 48 hours). This is also likely the reason why surfers in Hawaii who are in the sun and water continuously don't have vitamin D levels comparable to lifeguards that don't go in the water. The surfers typically have levels in the 70s while the lifeguards and other who are in the sun as much without going into the water will have vitamin D levels around 100. The bottom line is that washing the sebum off of your skin is NOT good and should be avoided. You were NOT designed to use soap. It is fine to wash areas that are prone to bacterial overgrowth such as your axilla (armpits) and groin but it is in your best interest to leave the sebum that was designed to be on your skin, to stay on your skin. Note, you destroy Vit D levels when you sun behind glass because you only get UVB and destroying D is one of the things it does. > > > Hello tlsmith, > > Thank you so much for your email about raspberry. I really appreciate > that. > I take D3, Cholecalciferol, by Bio-Tech (www.BioTechPharmacal.com). It > was cheap. I got it at a chiropractor's office. I guess that is > considered the good and dry form, since their website reads " dry " . Do > you have a preferred brand for dry form of vitamin D3, please? > > http://www.biotechpharmacal.com/catalog/d3-5-5000-iu/ > > I'm not sure I understood the reason why we cannot absorbed the > vitamin D from sun. Is it because fat needs to mobilize witht he heat > and our fat doesn't?? Sorry, I'm sure it sounds really dumb... > > What does PRs mean, please? > > Thank you so much, > > Silvia > > > > ________________________________ > De: tlsmith_1 <tlsmith_1@... <mailto:tlsmith_1%40sbcglobal.net>> > Para: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > <mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO%40yahoogroups.com> > Enviado: Lunes 11 de junio de 2012 12:15 > Asunto: Re: Vit D & cancer > > > Indeed it can make you sicker than you were. Sun-exposure Vit D is > from fat-sterols and there's the rub. Our adipose cells are a > disaster. Many of us can no longer burn fat for energy which is why > the obesity problem exists. Plenty of blame to go around for that one. > . > Vitamin D is a complex. The key to this debate is that D3 comes in oil > and water bases. Cholecalciferol as water soluble powder is what > controls cancer. The oil-based stuff can make it grow since its a > steroid like estrogen. They metabolize differently in the body. Dr. > Sheri Tenpenny in Cleveland uses high-dose dry D3 for pre breast > cancer very successfully, along w. iodine. Those in recovery from > prostate cancer say the dry caps keep their PSA numbers very low. I've > even heard PRs say to take some dry caps for food allergies, opening > the capsules into the plate of food. Very high doses of the dry are > needed to get immuno-enhancing effects but a few studies show > remarkable results. Dry D3 is also claimed to be an anti-inflammatory, > but I've not seen direct evidence of it. Used to take it along w/ DHEA > to control an autoimmune condition. > > Lots of ppl used to become sun-sensitive after a long round of > tetracycline antibiotics that have generated pathogenic yeasts in > their bodies. Ergosterol in the subcutaneous fat tissue from yeasts > mimics sterol-D, and why many cannot tolerate it. it becomes yeast > food. Ditto for fortified cod-liver oil and fish oils. > > The sterol connection is ignored by most pushing Vitamin D. You can > look up calcidiol and calcitriol as these are the correct terms. D3 in > powder caps is very cheap but mostly they sell the oil-based stuff > which can become toxic in the wrong person. We all have a toxic load > in our 'blubber' that includes pathogens in the adipose tissue. The > Marshall Protocol is the only one I know of that addresses the problem > at all. The Vitamin D Council is oblivious to the correct science, and > promotes all the disinformation they can. so .. if the study does not > specify what form exactly was used, you have BS. ---tls > > Re: Vit D & cancer > > I believe it is probably the Celebrex, which stops proliferation and > spread of cancer cells. I am learning that the research for Vit D was > mostly performed and payed for by major suncreen companies. Probably > the suncreen turns on wrong vitamin D (1,25 D) . I live in TX and > trust me we should have no one low in Vitamin D, it is loaded in > cosmetics, foods, lotions, etc., and the sun is cooking us. Caution to > everyone that is chronically ill, Vitamin D can make you sick... > ________________________________ > > I can only find info that says that and then it's countered by > additional studies that counter it. And when I read it and put it all > together, much of the time I still don't know who funded the studies. > Then I'm too tired/bored to look up all the original ones and see what > the protocols were and if they apply to any use I might have or > suggest with D3. ---. Saralou > > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080125223302.htm > http://mpkb.org/home/pathogenesis/vitamind/longterm > http://mpkb.org/home/pathogenesis/vitamind > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > I just want to say Vit.D is immunosuppressant and promotes inflammation. > > Cancer can be caused by pathogen or yeast that is messing up DNA > > expression to adapt it to iets own needs. -- Jolanta > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 Swansons has a nice dry form D3 and I also use Now Foods D3 which contains K2 which latest research says is needed for best absorption, etc.... ________________________________ To: " DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO " <DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 2:28 PM Subject: Re: Vit D & cancer   Hello tlsmith,  Thank you so much for your email about raspberry. I really appreciate that. I take D3, Cholecalciferol, by Bio-Tech (www.BioTechPharmacal.com). It was cheap. I got it at a chiropractor's office. I guess that is considered the good and dry form, since their website reads " dry " . Do you have a preferred brand for dry form of vitamin D3, please?  http://www.biotechpharmacal.com/catalog/d3-5-5000-iu/  I'm not sure I understood the reason why we cannot absorbed the vitamin D from sun. Is it because fat needs to mobilize witht he heat and our fat doesn't?? Sorry, I'm sure it sounds really dumb...  What does PRs mean, please?  Thank you so much,  Silvia   ________________________________ De: tlsmith_1 Para: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Enviado: Lunes 11 de junio de 2012 12:15 Asunto: Re: Vit D & cancer  Indeed it can make you sicker than you were. Sun-exposure Vit D is from fat-sterols and there's the rub. Our adipose cells are a disaster. Many of us can no longer burn fat for energy which is why the obesity problem exists. Plenty of blame to go around for that one. .. Vitamin D is a complex. The key to this debate is that D3 comes in oil and water bases. Cholecalciferol as water soluble powder is what controls cancer. The oil-based stuff can make it grow since its a steroid like estrogen. They metabolize differently in the body. Dr. Sheri Tenpenny in Cleveland uses high-dose dry D3 for pre breast cancer very successfully, along w. iodine. Those in recovery from prostate cancer say the dry caps keep their PSA numbers very low. I've even heard PRs say to take some dry caps for food allergies, opening the capsules into the plate of food. Very high doses of the dry are needed to get immuno-enhancing effects but a few studies show remarkable results. Dry D3 is also claimed to be an anti-inflammatory, but I've not seen direct evidence of it. Used to take it along w/ DHEA to control an autoimmune condition. Lots of ppl used to become sun-sensitive after a long round of tetracycline antibiotics that have generated pathogenic yeasts in their bodies. Ergosterol in the subcutaneous fat tissue from yeasts mimics sterol-D, and why many cannot tolerate it. it becomes yeast food. Ditto for fortified cod-liver oil and fish oils. The sterol connection is ignored by most pushing Vitamin D. You can look up calcidiol and calcitriol as these are the correct terms. D3 in powder caps is very cheap but mostly they sell the oil-based stuff which can become toxic in the wrong person. We all have a toxic load in our 'blubber' that includes pathogens in the adipose tissue. The Marshall Protocol is the only one I know of that addresses the problem at all. The Vitamin D Council is oblivious to the correct science, and promotes all the disinformation they can. so .. if the study does not specify what form exactly was used, you have BS. ---tls Re: Vit D & cancer I believe it is probably the Celebrex, which stops proliferation and spread of cancer cells. I am learning that the research for Vit D was mostly performed and payed for by major suncreen companies. Probably the suncreen turns on wrong vitamin D (1,25 D) . I live in TX and trust me we should have no one low in Vitamin D, it is loaded in cosmetics, foods, lotions, etc., and the sun is cooking us. Caution to everyone that is chronically ill, Vitamin D can make you sick... ________________________________ I can only find info that says that and then it's countered by additional studies that counter it. And when I read it and put it all together, much of the time I still don't know who funded the studies. Then I'm too tired/bored to look up all the original ones and see what the protocols were and if they apply to any use I might have or suggest with D3. ---. Saralou http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080125223302.htm http://mpkb.org/home/pathogenesis/vitamind/longterm http://mpkb.org/home/pathogenesis/vitamind ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > I just want to say Vit.D is immunosuppressant and promotes inflammation. > Cancer can be caused by pathogen or yeast that is messing up DNA > expression to adapt it to iets own needs. -- Jolanta > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 the best price i ever saw on high-dose dry D3 was at Vitacost. A few of us on another list were buying for the entire family and the price actually went down over time.. miracle eh? The closest we ever came to understanding all the weird symptoms was that Ergosterol in the skin from yeast toxins messes up photoreceptors... and then how the steroid D is made in the skin from sunlight. I do know those with yeast issues are also often electro-sensitive. We do have magnetic yeast and bacteria, so they Iikely play a role. Ppl in the hospital can go wacko on Cipro. Had an acquaintance in to remove appendix and he went really nuts from allergy to that drug. His uncle does energy work and cleared the allergy or they'd have had him in the psych ward for the duration. ---tls Re: Vit D & cancer .. I am going searching for the powder ASAP. Do you understand the UV light connection, I do know that sitting in front of computers, TV, fluroescent lighting can exacerabate my symptoms. Sick people love the dark do they not??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 Oh Cipro and that class of abx contain fluorides, talk about damage to the body with that class of drugs... ________________________________ To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 12:05 PM Subject: Re: Vit D & cancer  the best price i ever saw on high-dose dry D3 was at Vitacost. A few of us on another list were buying for the entire family and the price actually went down over time.. miracle eh? The closest we ever came to understanding all the weird symptoms was that Ergosterol in the skin from yeast toxins messes up photoreceptors... and then how the steroid D is made in the skin from sunlight. I do know those with yeast issues are also often electro-sensitive. We do have magnetic yeast and bacteria, so they Iikely play a role. Ppl in the hospital can go wacko on Cipro. Had an acquaintance in to remove appendix and he went really nuts from allergy to that drug. His uncle does energy work and cleared the allergy or they'd have had him in the psych ward for the duration. ---tls Re: Vit D & cancer ... I am going searching for the powder ASAP. Do you understand the UV light connection, I do know that sitting in front of computers, TV, fluroescent lighting can exacerabate my symptoms. Sick people love the dark do they not??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 Vitacost has dry D very cheap in high dose capsules. The place below is great too. Shocking how cheap its become, yet ppl always steer toward the gelcaps. Safer to let the body convert to steroid what it deems fit, rather than you overdosing yourself. Some ppl can absorb Vit D from sunlight, but they're becoming fewer all the time due to yeast-antibiotic issues, and maybe sunblocking agents??. They noticed it did not matter the climate, blood tests were very low across the board. What exactly is being measured in the blood tests is debatable, but even they improve quickly using the dry form, vs forever on the gelcaps. Apparently we only think we understand how the D complex happens inside the body. I'm sure it's tied to burning fat for energy, which is where true stamina comes from, not carbohydrate metabolism. PRs = practitoners --tls Re: Vit D & cancer I take D3, Cholecalciferol, by Bio-Tech (www.BioTechPharmacal.com). It was cheap. I got it at a chiropractor's office. I guess that is considered the good and dry form, since their website reads " dry " . Do you have a preferred brand for dry form of vitamin D3, please? http://www.biotechpharmacal.com/catalog/d3-5-5000-iu/ I'm not sure I understood the reason why we cannot absorbed the vitamin D from sun. Is it because fat needs to mobilize witht he heat and our fat doesn't?? Sorry, I'm sure it sounds really dumb... What does PRs mean, please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 Since I've been taking it in late 2006, it's always been so affordable, pennies per day.....the D2 script MD's write is pretty pricey and quite inferior...that's the only way pharma can make money on Vit D and their scripts....  Look at the K2 research and Vit D also.  Now Foods which I get from swansons has a D3 and K2 combination...many companies do, but this is very affordable... ________________________________ To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 12:39 PM Subject: Re: Vit D & cancer  Vitacost has dry D very cheap in high dose capsules. The place below is great too. Shocking how cheap its become, yet ppl always steer toward the gelcaps. Safer to let the body convert to steroid what it deems fit, rather than you overdosing yourself. Some ppl can absorb Vit D from sunlight, but they're becoming fewer all the time due to yeast-antibiotic issues, and maybe sunblocking agents??. They noticed it did not matter the climate, blood tests were very low across the board. What exactly is being measured in the blood tests is debatable, but even they improve quickly using the dry form, vs forever on the gelcaps. Apparently we only think we understand how the D complex happens inside the body. I'm sure it's tied to burning fat for energy, which is where true stamina comes from, not carbohydrate metabolism. PRs = practitoners --tls Re: Vit D & cancer I take D3, Cholecalciferol, by Bio-Tech (www.BioTechPharmacal.com). It was cheap. I got it at a chiropractor's office. I guess that is considered the good and dry form, since their website reads " dry " . Do you have a preferred brand for dry form of vitamin D3, please? http://www.biotechpharmacal.com/catalog/d3-5-5000-iu/ I'm not sure I understood the reason why we cannot absorbed the vitamin D from sun. Is it because fat needs to mobilize witht he heat and our fat doesn't?? Sorry, I'm sure it sounds really dumb... What does PRs mean, please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 Saralou -- Yes it's exactly about eating Fats many consider unhealthy... often as winter-cold-weather foods It's the cholesterol lie, generated in the 1970s to push drugs, but they've fought over this even longer than that. The Vitamin C - scurvy debate started by Vilhjalmur Stefannson. The lipid-based ascorbate goes alot farther in the body then moldy orange juice can. .. which somewhat prevents, but will not cure scurvy. All the polar expeditions were living testament to the truth of his theories. All were systematically shoved into the background... in favor of making certain ppl Right over the obvious facts. Still true of science today unfortunately. Thankfully some researchers just want to do the work and archive it for the future. ---tls Re: Vit D & cancer Not TL but I know how to research the Sun and Vit D......Your body was designed to absorb it BUT....the angle of the sun at your lattitude is significant in how much you can absorb in what length of time. In addition, simplistically, sun hits the oils on your skin to produce the D and then some say it takes a couple of days to fully absorb. So you go outside and sit in the sun with as much exposure as is seasonably possible. If you're hot and sweaty, you likely need less time but then you go use soap and water to clear the growing (odor) bacteria and interrupt the process. Now that I write that out, I can see there must be more. While we may have been designed for tropical climates, how does the body adapt to the need for more D at lattitudes that prevent D absorption? My guess, and it is a guess, is that we learn to eat things that help--like all the fat consumed by the innuit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012  Thank you so much  S ________________________________ De: JOYCE MARTINO Para: " DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO " <DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > Enviado: Martes 12 de junio de 2012 10:04 Asunto: Re: Vit D & cancer  Swansons has a nice dry form D3 and I also use Now Foods D3 which contains K2 which latest research says is needed for best absorption, etc.... ________________________________ To: " DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO " <DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 2:28 PM Subject: Re: Vit D & cancer   Hello tlsmith,  Thank you so much for your email about raspberry. I really appreciate that. I take D3, Cholecalciferol, by Bio-Tech (www.BioTechPharmacal.com). It was cheap. I got it at a chiropractor's office. I guess that is considered the good and dry form, since their website reads " dry " . Do you have a preferred brand for dry form of vitamin D3, please?  http://www.biotechpharmacal.com/catalog/d3-5-5000-iu/  I'm not sure I understood the reason why we cannot absorbed the vitamin D from sun. Is it because fat needs to mobilize witht he heat and our fat doesn't?? Sorry, I'm sure it sounds really dumb...  What does PRs mean, please?  Thank you so much,  Silvia   ________________________________ De: tlsmith_1 Para: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Enviado: Lunes 11 de junio de 2012 12:15 Asunto: Re: Vit D & cancer  Indeed it can make you sicker than you were. Sun-exposure Vit D is from fat-sterols and there's the rub. Our adipose cells are a disaster. Many of us can no longer burn fat for energy which is why the obesity problem exists. Plenty of blame to go around for that one. .. Vitamin D is a complex. The key to this debate is that D3 comes in oil and water bases. Cholecalciferol as water soluble powder is what controls cancer. The oil-based stuff can make it grow since its a steroid like estrogen. They metabolize differently in the body. Dr. Sheri Tenpenny in Cleveland uses high-dose dry D3 for pre breast cancer very successfully, along w. iodine. Those in recovery from prostate cancer say the dry caps keep their PSA numbers very low. I've even heard PRs say to take some dry caps for food allergies, opening the capsules into the plate of food. Very high doses of the dry are needed to get immuno-enhancing effects but a few studies show remarkable results. Dry D3 is also claimed to be an anti-inflammatory, but I've not seen direct evidence of it. Used to take it along w/ DHEA to control an autoimmune condition. Lots of ppl used to become sun-sensitive after a long round of tetracycline antibiotics that have generated pathogenic yeasts in their bodies. Ergosterol in the subcutaneous fat tissue from yeasts mimics sterol-D, and why many cannot tolerate it. it becomes yeast food. Ditto for fortified cod-liver oil and fish oils. The sterol connection is ignored by most pushing Vitamin D. You can look up calcidiol and calcitriol as these are the correct terms. D3 in powder caps is very cheap but mostly they sell the oil-based stuff which can become toxic in the wrong person. We all have a toxic load in our 'blubber' that includes pathogens in the adipose tissue. The Marshall Protocol is the only one I know of that addresses the problem at all. The Vitamin D Council is oblivious to the correct science, and promotes all the disinformation they can. so .. if the study does not specify what form exactly was used, you have BS. ---tls Re: Vit D & cancer I believe it is probably the Celebrex, which stops proliferation and spread of cancer cells. I am learning that the research for Vit D was mostly performed and payed for by major suncreen companies. Probably the suncreen turns on wrong vitamin D (1,25 D) . I live in TX and trust me we should have no one low in Vitamin D, it is loaded in cosmetics, foods, lotions, etc., and the sun is cooking us. Caution to everyone that is chronically ill, Vitamin D can make you sick... ________________________________ I can only find info that says that and then it's countered by additional studies that counter it. And when I read it and put it all together, much of the time I still don't know who funded the studies. Then I'm too tired/bored to look up all the original ones and see what the protocols were and if they apply to any use I might have or suggest with D3. ---. Saralou http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080125223302.htm http://mpkb.org/home/pathogenesis/vitamind/longterm http://mpkb.org/home/pathogenesis/vitamind ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > I just want to say Vit.D is immunosuppressant and promotes inflammation. > Cancer can be caused by pathogen or yeast that is messing up DNA > expression to adapt it to iets own needs. -- Jolanta > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012  Thank you so much tlsmith ________________________________ De: tlsmith_1 Para: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Enviado: Martes 12 de junio de 2012 12:39 Asunto: Re: Vit D & cancer  Vitacost has dry D very cheap in high dose capsules. The place below is great too. Shocking how cheap its become, yet ppl always steer toward the gelcaps. Safer to let the body convert to steroid what it deems fit, rather than you overdosing yourself. Some ppl can absorb Vit D from sunlight, but they're becoming fewer all the time due to yeast-antibiotic issues, and maybe sunblocking agents??. They noticed it did not matter the climate, blood tests were very low across the board. What exactly is being measured in the blood tests is debatable, but even they improve quickly using the dry form, vs forever on the gelcaps. Apparently we only think we understand how the D complex happens inside the body. I'm sure it's tied to burning fat for energy, which is where true stamina comes from, not carbohydrate metabolism. PRs = practitoners --tls Re: Vit D & cancer I take D3, Cholecalciferol, by Bio-Tech (www.BioTechPharmacal.com). It was cheap. I got it at a chiropractor's office. I guess that is considered the good and dry form, since their website reads " dry " . Do you have a preferred brand for dry form of vitamin D3, please? http://www.biotechpharmacal.com/catalog/d3-5-5000-iu/ I'm not sure I understood the reason why we cannot absorbed the vitamin D from sun. Is it because fat needs to mobilize witht he heat and our fat doesn't?? Sorry, I'm sure it sounds really dumb... What does PRs mean, please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012  Thank you so much. ________________________________ De: RoseOttoGroups Para: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Enviado: Martes 12 de junio de 2012 9:46 Asunto: Re: Vit D & cancer  Sylvia, Not TL but I know how to research the Sun and Vit D......Your body was designed to absorb it BUT....the angle of the sun at your lattitude is significant in how much you can absorb in what length of time. In addition, simplistically, sun hits the oils on your skin to produce the D and then some say it takes a couple of days to fully absorb. So you go outside and sit in the sun with as much exposure as is seasonably possible. If you're hot and sweaty, you likely need less time but then you go use soap and water to clear the growing (odor) bacteria and interrupt the process. Now that I write that out, I can see there must be more. While we may have been designed for tropical climates, how does the body adapt to the need for more D at lattitudes that prevent D absorption? My guess, and it is a guess, is that we learn to eat things that help--like all the fat consumed by the innuit. Whatever you think of Mercola, he does keep up with research. Here's a good video/transcript on the subject http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/05/12/shocking-update-su\ nshine-can-actually-decrease-your-vitamin-d-levels.aspx As of this date no one has ever tested whether vitamin D is formed in human sebum, the fat that your skin produces. The only study that support that vitamin D3 is formed in the dermal epidermal junction was done in humans were the sebum was removed from the skin. (commens on his site are always instructive) However, this has been extensively tested in animals and that is precisely where the vitamin D3 is formed. In fact that is where most of the oral vitamin D3 in supplements comes from, lanolin and the sebum like material in the skin of sheep and cows Additionally you can rub vitamin D3 on your skin and it easily penetrates into your bloodstream (assuming you don't wash it off for 48 hours). This is also likely the reason why surfers in Hawaii who are in the sun and water continuously don't have vitamin D levels comparable to lifeguards that don't go in the water. The surfers typically have levels in the 70s while the lifeguards and other who are in the sun as much without going into the water will have vitamin D levels around 100. The bottom line is that washing the sebum off of your skin is NOT good and should be avoided. You were NOT designed to use soap. It is fine to wash areas that are prone to bacterial overgrowth such as your axilla (armpits) and groin but it is in your best interest to leave the sebum that was designed to be on your skin, to stay on your skin. Note, you destroy Vit D levels when you sun behind glass because you only get UVB and destroying D is one of the things it does. > > > Hello tlsmith, > > Thank you so much for your email about raspberry. I really appreciate > that. > I take D3, Cholecalciferol, by Bio-Tech (www.BioTechPharmacal.com). It > was cheap. I got it at a chiropractor's office. I guess that is > considered the good and dry form, since their website reads " dry " . Do > you have a preferred brand for dry form of vitamin D3, please? > > http://www.biotechpharmacal.com/catalog/d3-5-5000-iu/ > > I'm not sure I understood the reason why we cannot absorbed the > vitamin D from sun. Is it because fat needs to mobilize witht he heat > and our fat doesn't?? Sorry, I'm sure it sounds really dumb... > > What does PRs mean, please? > > Thank you so much, > > Silvia > > > > ________________________________ > De: tlsmith_1 <tlsmith_1@... <mailto:tlsmith_1%40sbcglobal.net>> > Para: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > <mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO%40yahoogroups.com> > Enviado: Lunes 11 de junio de 2012 12:15 > Asunto: Re: Vit D & cancer > > > Indeed it can make you sicker than you were. Sun-exposure Vit D is > from fat-sterols and there's the rub. Our adipose cells are a > disaster. Many of us can no longer burn fat for energy which is why > the obesity problem exists. Plenty of blame to go around for that one. > . > Vitamin D is a complex. The key to this debate is that D3 comes in oil > and water bases. Cholecalciferol as water soluble powder is what > controls cancer. The oil-based stuff can make it grow since its a > steroid like estrogen. They metabolize differently in the body. Dr. > Sheri Tenpenny in Cleveland uses high-dose dry D3 for pre breast > cancer very successfully, along w. iodine. Those in recovery from > prostate cancer say the dry caps keep their PSA numbers very low. I've > even heard PRs say to take some dry caps for food allergies, opening > the capsules into the plate of food. Very high doses of the dry are > needed to get immuno-enhancing effects but a few studies show > remarkable results. Dry D3 is also claimed to be an anti-inflammatory, > but I've not seen direct evidence of it. Used to take it along w/ DHEA > to control an autoimmune condition. > > Lots of ppl used to become sun-sensitive after a long round of > tetracycline antibiotics that have generated pathogenic yeasts in > their bodies. Ergosterol in the subcutaneous fat tissue from yeasts > mimics sterol-D, and why many cannot tolerate it. it becomes yeast > food. Ditto for fortified cod-liver oil and fish oils. > > The sterol connection is ignored by most pushing Vitamin D. You can > look up calcidiol and calcitriol as these are the correct terms. D3 in > powder caps is very cheap but mostly they sell the oil-based stuff > which can become toxic in the wrong person. We all have a toxic load > in our 'blubber' that includes pathogens in the adipose tissue. The > Marshall Protocol is the only one I know of that addresses the problem > at all. The Vitamin D Council is oblivious to the correct science, and > promotes all the disinformation they can. so .. if the study does not > specify what form exactly was used, you have BS. ---tls > > Re: Vit D & cancer > > I believe it is probably the Celebrex, which stops proliferation and > spread of cancer cells. I am learning that the research for Vit D was > mostly performed and payed for by major suncreen companies. Probably > the suncreen turns on wrong vitamin D (1,25 D) . I live in TX and > trust me we should have no one low in Vitamin D, it is loaded in > cosmetics, foods, lotions, etc., and the sun is cooking us. Caution to > everyone that is chronically ill, Vitamin D can make you sick... > ________________________________ > > I can only find info that says that and then it's countered by > additional studies that counter it. And when I read it and put it all > together, much of the time I still don't know who funded the studies. > Then I'm too tired/bored to look up all the original ones and see what > the protocols were and if they apply to any use I might have or > suggest with D3. ---. Saralou > > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080125223302.htm > http://mpkb.org/home/pathogenesis/vitamind/longterm > http://mpkb.org/home/pathogenesis/vitamind > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > I just want to say Vit.D is immunosuppressant and promotes inflammation. > > Cancer can be caused by pathogen or yeast that is messing up DNA > > expression to adapt it to iets own needs. -- Jolanta > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 Hi Saralou, Here is the PDF file of the lecture T. Marshal gave in 2012. There is YouTube version of it as well. He also explain differences in Vit. D. http://AutoimmunityResearch.org/transcripts/Auto2012_Marshall_plenary.pdf Namaste, Jolanta > > > > > From: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > > <mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO%40yahoogroups.com> > > <DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > > <mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO%40yahoogroups.com>> > > > Subject: Digest Number 2512 > > > To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > > <mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Sunday, June 10, 2012, 3:34 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 I have been on Marshall Protocol for sarcoidosis. It is quite interesting how much better I felt when I wore the glasses, and avoided UV light, the research is out there for this protocol, and people do get well. But again, for pain & other symptoms, you must take Benicar (generic), and avoid Vitamin D in foods, and other products. Again, how can we all be so deficient, when Vitamin D is in everything, food, cosmetics, lotions, etc.. I think suncreens are the problem, as we need the right kinda Vitamin D, not the chemical Vitamin D. Everyone I see that is sick and takes D, will get sicker, and sicker. Caution everyone. There is a hidden agenda, loss of profit potential somewhere, because the stuff is so cheap. We will all be watching for the truth.... ________________________________ To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 7:00 AM Subject: Re: Vit D & cancer  Hi Saralou, Here is the PDF file of the lecture T. Marshal gave in 2012. There is YouTube version of it as well. He also explain differences in Vit. D. http://AutoimmunityResearch.org/transcripts/Auto2012_Marshall_plenary.pdf Namaste, Jolanta > > > > > From: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > > <mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO%40yahoogroups.com> > > <DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > > <mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO%40yahoogroups.com>> > > > Subject: Digest Number 2512 > > > To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > > <mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Sunday, June 10, 2012, 3:34 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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