Re: Mold Found In Board Of Education Building KCTV5

April 18, 2008

In a message dated 4/18/2008 9:30:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

ginloi@... writes:

Sorry they got exposed, but often those at the top show nothing but

harassment, bullying and oppression against those under them.

I hope they make sure that the children and the staff and students in

their district, get support and not aggravation, when there is mold in

a school building.

Ginny,

Yep. Wonder if they will still be promoting the National School Board

Association's position on how to deal with those who have mold claims in this

district, now that it is the district offices and the superintendent that are

the

ones who are ill. Wonder how the " shut 'em down and shut up " approach works

when it is those in control that are made ill.

1 _Defense Considerations in Mold Litigation: Investigation, Causation,

Mitigation & Remediation II_

(http://www.nsba.org/SecondaryMenu/COSA/Search/AllCOSAdocuments/DefenseConsidera\

tionsinMoldLitigationInvestigationCausationMiti

gationampRemediationII.aspx)

ABSTRACT: By: Dale O. Thornsjo and Shamus P. Oâ€™Meara

& Condon, P.A. Reprinted with permission of Minnesota Defense

Lawyers Association.

posted: 3/27/2003 12:00:00 AM [pdf]

2 _Defense Considerations in Mold Litigation: Investigation, Causation,

Mitigation & Remediation_

(http://www.nsba.org/SecondaryMenu/COSA/Search/AllCOSAdocuments/DefenseConsidera\

tionsinMoldLitigationInvestigationCausationMitigation

ampRemediation.aspx)

ABSTRACT: By: Dale O. Thornsjo and Shamus P. Oâ€™Meara

& Condon, P.A. Reprinted with permission of Minnesota Defense

Lawyers Association.

posted: 3/27/2003 12:00:00 AM [pdf]

3 _Is Mold the New Asbestos?_

(http://www.asbj.com/MainMenuCategory/Archive/2003/October/IsMoldtheNewAsbestos?\

Doc64.aspx)

ABSTRACT: It's possibly unhealthy, it's costly to clean up, and it might be

hiding in your schoolsâ€”sound familiar? Sick building syndrome is not new to

schools. What is new is the rapid marketplace response to such problemsâ€”and

the ferocious speed with which air-quality and other building-related health

....

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April 18, 2008

Sorry they got exposed, but often those at the top show nothing but

harassment, bullying and oppression against those under them.

I hope they make sure that the children and the staff and students in

their district, get support and not aggravation, when there is mold in

a school building.

I

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> Environmental experts found mold in a building closed after a mystery

> illness struck 20 Independence School District employees, including

the district

> superintendent.

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> INDEPENDENCE, Mo. -- Environmental experts found mold in a building

closed

> after a mystery illness struck 20 Independence School District

employees,

> including the district superintendent.

> The district closed the Independence Board of Education Building

last month

> after employees experienced respiratory problems, headaches,

dizziness and

> serious muscle problems. Some workers spent days in the hospital.

> Employees have been working out of a car dealership building on

Noland Road

> while environmental experts have been testing the building.

> Officials announced that the experts found at least four types of

mold in

> the building, including Stachybotrys. The mold was found on the top

two floors

> of the four-story building.

> " We do not have a definitive medical diagnosis that says mold is

what has

> caused the symptoms. We also do not know if there are other

contaminants that

> may be in the building in addition to mold, " Hinson said. " That

testing, again,

> continues. "

> The testing could last weeks or even months, and district officials

donâ€™t

> know yet whether the building can be rehabilitated.

> Previous Stories:

> * April 17, 2008: _Mold Possible Cause Of 'Sick Building'_

> (http://www.kctv5.com/news/15908016/detail.html)

> * March 14, 2008: _Independence Schools To Close 'Sick

Building'_

> (http://www.kctv5.com/news/15599686/detail.html)

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April 18, 2008

And heck.... I bet they were all most likely told that there was a

study done on a mouse and that the conclusions showed " It's All In

It's Head " and that the illnesses of Migraines, Vomiting, Intestinal

Bleeding, Asthma, Thyroid Damage, Fibromyalgia, Sleep Disorders,

Extreme Fatigue, Anxiety, Depression, Tremors, Burn Rashes, Hairloss,

Urinary Problems, Infertility, and various Cancers is all due to

a " Psychological " condition.

April 18, 2008

Well, as Ginny Lane used to say (and probably still does): " It all

depends on whose ox is getting gored. "

>

> And heck.... I bet they were all most likely told that there was a

> study done on a mouse and that the conclusions showed " It's All In

> It's Head " and that the illnesses of Migraines, Vomiting, Intestinal

> Bleeding, Asthma, Thyroid Damage, Fibromyalgia, Sleep Disorders,

> Extreme Fatigue, Anxiety, Depression, Tremors, Burn Rashes, Hairloss,

> Urinary Problems, Infertility, and various Cancers is all due to

> a " Psychological " condition.

>

April 18, 2008

they were most likely told that they will get all better after getting

out and that there will be no long lasting effects. oh, maybe just a

few allergies to molds, no big deal.

>

> And heck.... I bet they were all most likely told that there was a

> study done on a mouse and that the conclusions showed " It's All In

> It's Head " and that the illnesses of Migraines, Vomiting, Intestinal

> Bleeding, Asthma, Thyroid Damage, Fibromyalgia, Sleep Disorders,

> Extreme Fatigue, Anxiety, Depression, Tremors, Burn Rashes, Hairloss,

> Urinary Problems, Infertility, and various Cancers is all due to

> a " Psychological " condition.

>

April 18, 2008

You took the words right out of my mouth. That was funny. I notice

that school administrators who get sick have far less trouble than the

lowly teachers, secretaries and God forbid the children.

> >

> > And heck.... I bet they were all most likely told that there was a

> > study done on a mouse and that the conclusions showed " It's All In

> > It's Head " and that the illnesses of Migraines, Vomiting, Intestinal

> > Bleeding, Asthma, Thyroid Damage, Fibromyalgia, Sleep Disorders,

> > Extreme Fatigue, Anxiety, Depression, Tremors, Burn Rashes, Hairloss,

> > Urinary Problems, Infertility, and various Cancers is all due to

> > a " Psychological " condition.

> >

>

April 18, 2008

Or have 'nosebags' pry into the personal lives of the teachers, 'write

them up as unsatisfactory', rifle their desks when out sick or at a

funeral, have another teacher " order " materials for their classroom,

instead of ordering your own supplies and books, take away field trips

from the kids for no reason, I could go on ad infinitum. Then the book

order and supplies would be " misplaced. "

One year I was given 2 packages of yellow lined paper and 3 dozen

pencils, on the first day of school. News flash. They learned to READ

regardless. As well as the class with all the goodies.

It seemed that every day there was another scheme to 'break me.' And

it came from the " top down. "

It was the most insulting and offensive experience in my life.

And, if you can imagine the assortment of school breakfast cereals, my

kids got plain Corn Flakes or Rice Krispies, when the other kids all

got Golden Grahams, Frosted Mini Wheats, Honey Nut Cheerios, etc.

Adults can fight their battle differently. Children KNOW their class

is being " singled out " - and are intuitive enough to know something

is wrong.

And, if, as the teacher you are doing all you can for them, they KNOW,

they will " Have your back. " They would watch the door when they would

see the principal sneakily peering in from an angle. " She is out

there being sneaky, " they would say...

The kids would tell me when my desk was rifled. It is really a

different kind of a problem, because the people you are getting sick

with are not just " colleagues " or adults, they are children in your

care. A two-tiered problem. In loco parentis. You are standing in

the shoes of their parents, while in your care. I always told them " I

am your 'mother' in school. "

So, am I sorry for their exposure? Only when they (school boards and

administrations) stand in the shoes of those children or teachers and

school secretaries, as " exposed " fellow human beings, will school

administrators understand the lack of empowerment, when you are in a

" toxic gulag, " with innocent children; will things change.

I never wished ill on anyone. I could not believe I met people who

allowed children and teachers, who dedicated their lives to educate

the young people of this country, to get sick and even die for nothing.

Now, " what goes around, can come around " to the powers that be for all

I care. When you go to work in good faith, and all you get in return

is bad faith, how can people expect you to respond? We only have two

cheeks.

When those in power have a taste of sickness, met with

non-responsiveness in the doctor's office followed by charges of

'malingering' - they will finally " get it. "

We are all breathing the same poison. Mold does not discriminate.

It DOES matter whose ox is getting gored. And, it was one of my late

mother's sayings...It must have rubbed off...

> >

> > And heck.... I bet they were all most likely told that there was a

> > study done on a mouse and that the conclusions showed " It's All In

> > It's Head " and that the illnesses of Migraines, Vomiting, Intestinal

> > Bleeding, Asthma, Thyroid Damage, Fibromyalgia, Sleep Disorders,

> > Extreme Fatigue, Anxiety, Depression, Tremors, Burn Rashes, Hairloss,

> > Urinary Problems, Infertility, and various Cancers is all due to

> > a " Psychological " condition.

> >

>

April 19, 2008

Ginny,

I have heard a lot of this before from you but not all of it. I am just

absolutely horrified. We all have suffered in different ways after entering

this hell hole that is mold exposure but to read about it in this vivid manner;

punishing not only you but your little baby students, is borderline criminal.

Can you imagine: " I am sick, please help me. " and this is what you get?

There is an underlying faction in this country on this issue that allows and

accepts this unAmerican treatment and it's all about money.

We are on our way to stop this but it doesn't detract from what you went

through. We honor everyone's individual experience.

Mulvey son

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April 19, 2008

-

You are very horrified, because you know the " players " in this

debacle. What happened was horrific; no field trips, each time I

filed with some " environMENTAL " agency, (that I had a right to file)

I would be " visited/read harrassed " by the administration.

They said " no money for a bus for MY class. "

Well, I solved that with a personal/business contact - I did not want

my kids deprived of the " Nutcracker " ballet, after we did the story

and the music in class.

Here is the problem. I looked at those school kids as " my own " and

hoped that the way I treated my class, would " come around " to my own

children. Isn't that the way it is supposed to work?

I found a bus company owner to take not only my class but the other

classes as well. Free! The morning of the trip I was " visited "

again. This time the principal brought a " suit " to take notes. ( A

high up official.)

So my kids were LAST to get on the bus I arranged. No matter. We held

our heads high.

They (principals) have a right and duty to make sure you are doing

the right thing, and my door was always open (they never stayed

before). Principals who know you are doing your job, leave you

alone. This was not " usual " practice. It was calculated for

harassment.

My gut told me that if they thought I was that important to hound,

then I must be winning. The people who were really most horrified

were my law professors and classmates, who were parents, grandparents

and just ordinary citizens.

It is a terrible thing to have " rage " make you act, but the legal

community and law school was far more supportive than the

educational one. Or, the political one, for the most part. One that

I grew up in and knew very well.

I am still disgusted with those who did not act for the benefit of

the children. People should not have to ask for a safe building for

their kids. It is their right.

And, teachers should not have to be involved in this battle. It is

hard enough to be teacher, parent, nurse, social worker, cop, etc.,

in a place which has become violent, and dangerous.

Teachers often risk life and limb walking unarmed into a school,

facing kids who are troubled and dangerous. Angry and homeless

kids. Kids who speak no or little English. Or, living with a

grandparent because the parents are not capable of caring for their

kids. Or, in a 'group' home(orphanage), because no one wants them.

Kids, for whom the school is the nicest part of their day, where they

get two meals, at government expense, because they are that needy.

This is not middle-America. And, they are our future workforce, tax

base and caregivers...

In school, we are charged with teaching " democracy " but " school life "

is not a democracy.

Ginny

2008 ©

April 19, 2008

Hello Everyone: I have been involved in this issue for several weeks. I had

contact with some employees and the Superintendent, Dr. Hinson. Upon the Dr.

Hinson's request I was ask to submit a proposal to examine and test the building

for mold and bacterial contamination. Also, we proposed to interview the

employees with respect to their illness and recommend diagnostic testing. Dr.

Hinson admitted to me that he was quite ill along with several of the employees

in the building. Needless to say, I have not heard from Dr. Hinson, but do

continue to receive emails from some employees. I have a strong suspicion that

pressure has come down which is attemping to suppress further knowledge of the

condition of this building. Jack D. Thrasher, Ph.D.

April 19, 2008

Dr. Thrasher - " Pressure " being both the operative word and a

understatement. ginloi

>

> Hello Everyone: I have been involved in this issue for several

weeks. I had contact with some employees and the Superintendent, Dr.

Hinson. Upon the Dr. Hinson's request I was ask to submit a proposal

to examine and test the building for mold and bacterial contamination.

Also, we proposed to interview the employees with respect to their

illness and recommend diagnostic testing. Dr. Hinson admitted to me

that he was quite ill along with several of the employees in the

building. Needless to say, I have not heard from Dr. Hinson, but do

continue to receive emails from some employees. I have a strong

suspicion that pressure has come down which is attemping to suppress

further knowledge of the condition of this building. Jack D. Thrasher,

Ph.D.

>

April 19, 2008

Wonder if they will do what the Chamber of Commerce did when some of their

key employees were sickened by mold...Fly them to Dallas for treatment while

continuing to promote that YOUR illnesses are just a result of trial lawyers,

media hype and Junk Science.

In a message dated 4/19/2008 9:14:03 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,