Treating My Dog

[Guest guest]

I'm new to the group, so glad to have found it and have done some

searches here on " dogs " , " csm. " According to a skin biopsy from Dr.

Croft, I'm suffering mid stage II Trichothecene Mycotoxicosis after a

year of exposure. I'm working on getting an appt. with Dr. Shoemaker

and have a call into Dr. Croft, who is a vet, about his

recommendations.

My dog and I have been out of the mold for over 6 months and though

he seems so much better, I realize the toxins could still be damaging

his organs and he could be far worse off than I think. He's 23 lbs.

Can any of you share what you have done to treat your dogs? Have you

used CSM? At what dosage? I have a good vet who is open-minded. Has

anyone tried charcoal? Any and all suggestions welcome.

He's currently taking a teaspoon of flax seed oil, 200 mg Gemfibrozil,

225mg Denosyl and 200 mg Milk Thistle, per day.

I'm most concerned because some of his blood values have gone up since

we moved out, not down. Here is a summary of the problem values:

Glucose Sept: 106 (normal) Feb: 51 (low)

Total Protein Sept: 7.3 (normal) Feb: 7.8 (high)

Alk. Phosphtase Sept: 588 (high) Feb: 994 (high)

Alt (SGPT) Sept: 204 (high) Feb: 256 (high)

Ast (SGOT) Sept: 69 (high) Feb: 30 (normal)

Cholesterol Sept: 328 (normal/high) Feb: 364 (high)

Calcium Sept: 11.4 (normal) Feb: 11.8 (high)

Triglycerides Sept: 179 (high) Feb: 650 (high)

As of Feb., BUN Creatinine ratio, globulin, lipase and his platelet

count were high.

[Guest guest]

Check out holstic vets as they would tend to be more versed in alt meds for

dogs _http://www.ahvma.org/_ (http://www.ahvma.org/)

[Guest guest]

Since I have found this board to be such a sharing group, wanted to

update folks on what happened with my dog - mostly so it can help

others. After having lost so much, I don't know what I would do if I

had to lose my dog too right now.

In brief, Dr. Croft's protocol really helped my dog. I started him on

organic vegetables and meat, no carbs at all, twice a day. I gave him

about 1/3 of a capsule (he's 23 pounds) of the amino acid L-Cysteine

twice a day as well. He had a new blood test within 6 weeks of

starting this and his triglycerides had dropped 400 points to a normal

range of 200. My vet called it a miracle. I've kept him on this diet

and the L-Cysteine, though I give him more like 1/4 capsule 2x a day

now. I obviously don't know the long-term damage he has sustained but

right now he seems out of immediate danger.

K.

[Guest guest]

If you have time I would love to have a copy of exactly what you are doing,

which vegys, meats, how they are cooked etc. and where you find the suppliments.

I am dying (no pun intended) to put my baby girls on a better diet.

Thank you so much for this post htough, that sound awsome...

 

Chris...

From: katsdream17 <katsdream17@...>

Subject: [] Re: Treating My Dog

Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008, 4:19 PM

Since I have found this board to be such a sharing group, wanted to

update folks on what happened with my dog - mostly so it can help

others. After having lost so much, I don't know what I would do if I

had to lose my dog too right now.

[Guest guest]

Well for the special diet, I buy frozen organic green beans (or

broccoli) at Trader Joes. Not sure if you have one in your area, but

much cheaper than somewhere like Whole Foods. (This diet is not cheap

but my dog is worth every penny.) I have also bought organic hamburger

meat at Trader Joes but now get it at Costco. I give my guy a pretty

healthy serving of veggies - maybe a 3/4 cup or or a cup mixed with

about a half cup or a little more of cooked hamburger meat. He's a

very hungry guy but only 23 lbs. He gets this twice a day.

I also cut a 500mg L-Cysteine (an amino acid you can get at the health

food store or online) capsule into quarters. I sprinkle one-quarter on

his breakfast and one quarter on his dinner. The only side effect I

have noticed is a more frequent urination. The L-Cysteine (which I

take as well in higher doses) is supposed to be taking the toxins out

(my dog's blood work indicated the toxins were trapped in his body)

but it also can deplete calcium, etc. so I also put a teaspoon I think

of liquid Calcium-Magnesium on his breakfast.

The key has been to cut out carbs and all those doggie food fillers to

limit candida. My dog lived in toxic mold for a year or more. All of

this makes sense. I had a dog as a kid who lived to be almost 17 and

we gave him tons of veggies. From time to time, I give my dog a

serving of canine probiotics which I learned about here on the

listserve. I get that from www.natren.

I don't know the situation with your dog(s) but I imagine it can't

hurt to add veggies, cut carbs and add probiotics at the minimum.

Good luck.

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> Since I have found this board to be such a sharing group, wanted to

> update folks on what happened with my dog - mostly so it can help

> others. After having lost so much, I don't know what I would do if I

> had to lose my dog too right now.

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[Guest guest]

Thank you so much. I have Papillons which only weigh 8 and 11 pounds so I cant

go broke feeding them. They LOVE broccoli and Brussell sprouts, and cabbage. I

was always told that was not good for them but I cant see how it is. Do use any

other veggies or pretty much stick to the greens? I used to give then low dose

probiotics but I didnt know thwey had doggy kind. Thias is awsome and I am going

to do this for sure. Gosh they will love on me forever too.

Thank you so much for that info. They really need the nutritiion, especially

angel as she is a little overweight and is also 11 which is supose to be her

life spand but she is not any where ready to go. Im so excited...

Thank you,

Chris...

[Guest guest]

K,

Can you tell me what blood work and tests you had run on your dog.

My dog got diagnosed with lymphoma last year but feel it is more from

the mold that was in my rug. Did your dogs lymph nodes enlarge?

What all are you giving your dog now? Any info would be greatly

appreciated.

thanks

Lee

[Guest guest]

Hello,

I understand that there are anti-fungal medications that dogs can

take. If my dogs were exposed to toxic mold that is the first thing

i would ask the vet for.

Elias

[Guest guest]

There is indeed. Mine were on it along qwith antifungal shampoo perscribed by

the vet. I cannot remember the names of them but the vet should.

From: photoguys2003 <photoguys2003@...>

Subject: [] Re: Treating My Dog

Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 4:19 PM

Hello,

I understand that there are anti-fungal medications that dogs can

take. If my dogs were exposed to toxic mold that is the first thing

i would ask the vet for.

Elias

[Guest guest]

Hi, you might need a probiotic for your dog, too. I noticed that

Natren (I really like their probiotics) has a product for dogs now.

Jocelyn ( I don't represent them, I've just used and liked the results

of their products).

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[Guest guest]

Katsdream,

Dr Croft did analysis on tissue for me from surgery and I had his

email address and phone number but lost it when my computer burned

out. Could you share his contact info with me? Did you hear from

him yet?

You said dog got worse after moving. I moved out of sick building

and then got worse but found a moldy a/c machine in bedroom blowing

over me was culprit, so could be additional exposure but perhaps from

source easy to get rid of like that. Something you might consider.

Some 'people' have initial reaction to treatment also.

Barb

--- In , " katsdream17 " <katsdream17@...>

wrote:

>

> I'm new to the group, so glad to have found it and have done some

> searches here on " dogs " , " csm. " According to a skin biopsy from Dr.

> Croft, I'm suffering mid stage II Trichothecene Mycotoxicosis after

a

> year of exposure. I'm working on getting an appt. with Dr.

Shoemaker

> and have a call into Dr. Croft, who is a vet, about his

> recommendations.

>

> My dog and I have been out of the mold for over 6 months and though

> he seems so much better, I realize the toxins could still be

damaging

> his organs and he could be far worse off than I think. He's 23 lbs.

> Can any of you share what you have done to treat your dogs? Have

you

> used CSM? At what dosage? I have a good vet who is open-minded. Has

> anyone tried charcoal? Any and all suggestions welcome.

>

> He's currently taking a teaspoon of flax seed oil, 200 mg

Gemfibrozil,

> 225mg Denosyl and 200 mg Milk Thistle, per day.

>

> I'm most concerned because some of his blood values have gone up

since

> we moved out, not down. Here is a summary of the problem values:

>

> Glucose Sept: 106 (normal) Feb: 51 (low)

> Total Protein Sept: 7.3 (normal) Feb: 7.8 (high)

> Alk. Phosphtase Sept: 588 (high) Feb: 994 (high)

> Alt (SGPT) Sept: 204 (high) Feb: 256 (high)

> Ast (SGOT) Sept: 69 (high) Feb: 30 (normal)

> Cholesterol Sept: 328 (normal/high) Feb: 364 (high)

> Calcium Sept: 11.4 (normal) Feb: 11.8 (high)

> Triglycerides Sept: 179 (high) Feb: 650 (high)

>

> As of Feb., BUN Creatinine ratio, globulin, lipase and his platelet

> count were high.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Great question. Please give your dog CSM as soon as you can. Continue the

supplements as you have been doing (flaxseed, milk thistle etc). Flaxseed should

help with keeping healthy levels of good fats in your dog while the CSM is doing

its job.  Not sure what the other medications you mentioned are. But CSM is safe

for your dog and is effective at removing toxins from the body. Its a good idea

i think. Not sure on dosage compared to Humans but i would suggest half the

recommended dose of Humans. God Bless! Im a dog lover too!!

Elias

p.s. If you need a good source of CSM let me know. I can gice you a source for

pure and additive free CSM.

From: barb1283 <barb1283@...>

Subject: [] Re: Treating My Dog

Date: Sunday, October 5, 2008, 7:44 AM

Katsdream,

Dr Croft did analysis on tissue for me from surgery and I had his

email address and phone number but lost it when my computer burned

out. Could you share his contact info with me? Did you hear from

him yet?

You said dog got worse after moving. I moved out of sick building

and then got worse but found a moldy a/c machine in bedroom blowing

over me was culprit, so could be additional exposure but perhaps from

source easy to get rid of like that. Something you might consider.

Some 'people' have initial reaction to treatment also.

Barb

--- In , " katsdream17 " <katsdream17@ ...>

wrote:

>

> I'm new to the group, so glad to have found it and have done some

> searches here on " dogs " , " csm. " According to a skin biopsy from Dr.

> Croft, I'm suffering mid stage II Trichothecene Mycotoxicosis after

a

> year of exposure. I'm working on getting an appt. with Dr.

Shoemaker

> and have a call into Dr. Croft, who is a vet, about his

> recommendations.

>

> My dog and I have been out of the mold for over 6 months and though

> he seems so much better, I realize the toxins could still be

damaging

> his organs and he could be far worse off than I think. He's 23 lbs.

> Can any of you share what you have done to treat your dogs? Have

you

> used CSM? At what dosage? I have a good vet who is open-minded. Has

> anyone tried charcoal? Any and all suggestions welcome.

>

> He's currently taking a teaspoon of flax seed oil, 200 mg

Gemfibrozil,

> 225mg Denosyl and 200 mg Milk Thistle, per day.

>

> I'm most concerned because some of his blood values have gone up

since

> we moved out, not down. Here is a summary of the problem values:

>

> Glucose Sept: 106 (normal) Feb: 51 (low)

> Total Protein Sept: 7.3 (normal) Feb: 7.8 (high)

> Alk. Phosphtase Sept: 588 (high) Feb: 994 (high)

> Alt (SGPT) Sept: 204 (high) Feb: 256 (high)

> Ast (SGOT) Sept: 69 (high) Feb: 30 (normal)

> Cholesterol Sept: 328 (normal/high) Feb: 364 (high)

> Calcium Sept: 11.4 (normal) Feb: 11.8 (high)

> Triglycerides Sept: 179 (high) Feb: 650 (high)

>

> As of Feb., BUN Creatinine ratio, globulin, lipase and his platelet

> count were high.

>

[Guest guest]

Barb, I must correct you on one thing, both Dr.Croft and his

daughter are on the group and have been for some time.

KC

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> >> I've tried to explain the differences and similarities and why

they

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> > Bill Croft, but he may not have remembered.

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