Re: Successful Remediation Questions

[Guest guest]

I don't have any answers for you on this but I wish someone would explain to my

iodiotic family how things should be done. Oh wait someone has, they just don't

listen

SUNnFUUN <sunnfuun@...> wrote: Hi,

I'm in the middle of " remediation hell " right now and have some

questions since getting a straight answer all of a sudden from the

insurance co. & the remediation co. seems to be non-existant. They've

used Microban & ozone generators for " cleaning " .

1.) Has anyone ever successfully remediated and been able to move

back into their property?

2.) Do any of the chemicals or ozone machines damage any of the

furniture, clothes, pictures, etc?

3.) If part of the carpet was taken out, but not the padding

underneath, isn't that defeating the purpose if the backside of the

carpet had mold (in addition to the walls)?

4.) Do Vapor Cleaners work to " kill " the spores & mycotoxins? I'm

thinking of buying a good one.

I'm at relative's house right now in a completely different state

from where my property's being cleaned because I can't stay there. I

worry that even if they " clean " it & tear out walls it won't be fixed.

They've torn apart the downstairs, but the readings in the upstairs

now are still coming back with " moderate " Stachybotrys readings. :-(

As far as I know the remediation is " complete " in their

eyes.....shouldn't the readings be low or non-existant?

Any thoughts if you've been through all this? Did you have any

problems with the chemicals like Microban after they remediated? I

love my house & feel sick over all this (literally & figuratively).

Thanks a lot!

Debbie

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Where do you live? I know two excellent and very nice men who are in the

inspection business. They call themselves environmental health investigators. I

have heard many good things about both and can send you there information.

They are in the Md Virginia area near Arlington I think. I have personally

talked to both and would feel very comfortable having them in my home. Greg

Weatherman is in VA _http://aerobiological.com/services.html_

(http://aerobiological.com/services.html) and Steinmetz. Branble Lane,

Churchville, MD He's

in the phone book and is very good. I know both travel to other areas.

I don't have any answers for you on this but I wish someone would explain to

my iodiotic family how things should be done. Oh wait someone has, they just

don't listen

SUNnFUUN <_sunnfuun@..._ (mailto:sunnfuun@...) > wrote: Hi,

I'm in the middle of " remediation hell " right now and have some

questions since getting a straight answer all of a sudden from the

insurance co. & the remediation co. seems to be non-existant. They've

used Microban & ozone generators for " cleaning " .

1.) Has anyone ever successfully remediated and been able to move

back into their property?

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Hi H

[Guest guest]

Oh, tip from someone who was screwed by this: ozone

your stuff away from your carpets, like in a storage

unit. Don't ozone your carpets! Apparently it forms

a toxic substance when ozone and carpets combine.

--- SUNnFUUN <sunnfuun@...> wrote:

> Hi,

>

> I'm in the middle of " remediation hell " right now

> and have some

> questions since getting a straight answer all of a

> sudden from the

> insurance co. & the remediation co. seems to be

> non-existant. They've

> used Microban & ozone generators for " cleaning " .

>

> 1.) Has anyone ever successfully remediated and

> been able to move

> back into their property?

> 2.) Do any of the chemicals or ozone machines

> damage any of the

> furniture, clothes, pictures, etc?

> 3.) If part of the carpet was taken out, but not

> the padding

> underneath, isn't that defeating the purpose if the

> backside of the

> carpet had mold (in addition to the walls)?

> 4.) Do Vapor Cleaners work to " kill " the spores &

> mycotoxins? I'm

> thinking of buying a good one.

>

> I'm at relative's house right now in a completely

> different state

> from where my property's being cleaned because I

> can't stay there. I

> worry that even if they " clean " it & tear out walls

> it won't be fixed.

>

> They've torn apart the downstairs, but the readings

> in the upstairs

> now are still coming back with " moderate "

> Stachybotrys readings. :-(

> As far as I know the remediation is " complete " in

> their

> eyes.....shouldn't the readings be low or

> non-existant?

>

> Any thoughts if you've been through all this? Did

> you have any

> problems with the chemicals like Microban after they

> remediated? I

> love my house & feel sick over all this (literally &

> figuratively).

>

> Thanks a lot!

> Debbie

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Ozone (O3) is an oxidizing agent meaning it degrades or breaks down

whatever it contacts. That includes your lung and sinus tissue and

air purification companies that market such products are going

bankrupt because people have stopped buying them and are filing law

suits for damages incurred.

When degrading targeted items like mold and smoke particulates, it

also breaks down plastics, fabrics etc. Byproducts of that oxidation

process includes toxic gasses such as formaldehyde which do not

dissipate as quickly as ozone after the place is aired out. Plus,

while it kills mold, dead spores are still harmful and still have to

be removed.

Therefore, except for certain unusual circumstances and on a limited

basis, ozone treatments do more harm than good. Don't use it without

consulting a reputable professional who knows when and how... and

don't be around it at all.

Barb Rubin

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[Guest guest]

Ozone made me so sick!! I was all ready sick but really felt bad after. Plus it

didn't kill the mold. No wonder California banned it. It cause's permanent

lung damage.

Michal <michalvictoria@...> wrote:

Oh, tip from someone who was screwed by this: ozone

your stuff away from your carpets, like in a storage

unit. Don't ozone your carpets! Apparently it forms

a toxic substance when ozone and carpets combine.

--- SUNnFUUN <sunnfuun@...> wrote:

> Hi,

>

> I'm in the middle of " remediation hell " right now

> and have some

> questions since getting a straight answer all of a

> sudden from the

> insurance co. & the remediation co. seems to be

> non-existant. They've

> used Microban & ozone generators for " cleaning " .

>

> 1.) Has anyone ever successfully remediated and

> been able to move

> back into their property?

> 2.) Do any of the chemicals or ozone machines

> damage any of the

> furniture, clothes, pictures, etc?

> 3.) If part of the carpet was taken out, but not

> the padding

> underneath, isn't that defeating the purpose if the

> backside of the

> carpet had mold (in addition to the walls)?

> 4.) Do Vapor Cleaners work to " kill " the spores &

> mycotoxins? I'm

> thinking of buying a good one.

>

> I'm at relative's house right now in a completely

> different state

> from where my property's being cleaned because I

> can't stay there. I

> worry that even if they " clean " it & tear out walls

> it won't be fixed.

>

> They've torn apart the downstairs, but the readings

> in the upstairs

> now are still coming back with " moderate "

> Stachybotrys readings. :-(

> As far as I know the remediation is " complete " in

> their

> eyes.....shouldn't the readings be low or

> non-existant?

>

> Any thoughts if you've been through all this? Did

> you have any

> problems with the chemicals like Microban after they

> remediated? I

> love my house & feel sick over all this (literally &

> figuratively).

>

> Thanks a lot!

> Debbie

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Yes the remediators do seem to vanish into thin air; along with your

records.

Hang in there with insurance. They take time to set up visits to your

home.

And yes we moved back in. But we did need to get all new carpeting.

[Guest guest]

Please, if you could send me their information. I would really appreciate it. If

you need to snail mail the information, let me know and I'll send you address.

Thanks very much,

Sam

ssr3351@... wrote:

Where do you live? I know two excellent and very nice men who are in the

inspection business.

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>

> Hi,

>

> I'm in the middle of " remediation hell " right now and have some

> questions since getting a straight answer all of a sudden from the

> insurance co. & the remediation co. seems to be non-existant. They've

> used Microban & ozone generators for " cleaning " .

>

> 1.) Has anyone ever successfully remediated and been able to move

> back into their property?

> 2.) Do any of the chemicals or ozone machines damage any of the

> furniture, clothes, pictures, etc?

> 3.) If part of the carpet was taken out, but not the padding

> underneath, isn't that defeating the purpose if the backside of the

> carpet had mold (in addition to the walls)?

> 4.) Do Vapor Cleaners work to " kill " the spores & mycotoxins? I'm

> thinking of buying a good one.

>

> I'm at relative's house right now in a completely different state

> from where my property's being cleaned because I can't stay there. I

> worry that even if they " clean " it & tear out walls it won't be fixed.

>

> They've torn apart the downstairs, but the readings in the upstairs

> now are still coming back with " moderate " Stachybotrys readings. :-(

> As far as I know the remediation is " complete " in their

> eyes.....shouldn't the readings be low or non-existant?

>

> Any thoughts if you've been through all this? Did you have any

> problems with the chemicals like Microban after they remediated? I

> love my house & feel sick over all this (literally & figuratively).

>

> Thanks a lot!

> Debbie

>

I think I can say I have remediated successfully-I'm still afraid to

say 100% because there were one or two times it seemed like I was

finished but I wasn't. That being said, I can finally breathe in my

own home again and that's saying something!

In the end, I destroyed my basement (it is now a pit with no floor,

ceiling or walls). I destroyed a hall closet, a ceiling in my

husband's office, my shower stall and a piece of my bedroom closet. My

garage is still mold infested but as its not connected to the house I

keep the door closed and hope for the best-it is too expensive for me

to do now.

It all took over a year.

Re the readings-I was told that there will always be a few spores left

floating around and the test I used in the basement showed a few

spores. I got so upset and started spraying everything again with

hydrogen peroxide but there really was no mold. (I NEVER used

chemicals because I am hugely MCS. In fact, when they pulled up the

old floor they released something horrifying-probably tar-and I had to

have the floor coated with Hard Seal-another $900!)

I have a Humidex going in the basement and I'm hoping that when I test

again it will have blown all the spores out. I would also take out the

carpet padding by the way just to be safe.

Good luck and keep working on it-it will get better. Surella

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I hate to say it but I have concluded that hardseal and safeseal do

not really work that well on most voc's. I have yet to verify their

independent testing except by my nose and others'. It did not work,

five coats, on toxic varnish on bookcases (still smelled), did not

work on a windowsill painted with (still reacted and it

still smelled, and as soon as we scraped it off, the room was much

better), and did not work on window caulking (still reacted). After

that I posted on Debra Dadd's Q & A green blog, and others wrote that

AFM's products had failed them. Shellac is apparently a better

sealant. It has a shelf life of six months and apparently smells like

alcohol when you put it on. OTOH what's left is " lac " a resin that is

safe and even is used on some candies.

> I had to

> have the floor coated with Hard Seal-another $900!)

> I have a Humidex going in the basement and I'm hoping that when I test

> again it will have blown all the spores out. I would also take out the

> carpet padding by the way just to be safe.

>

> Good luck and keep working on it-it will get better. Surella

>

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> I had to

> have the floor coated with Hard Seal-another $900!)

> I have a Humidex going in the basement and I'm hoping that when I test

> again it will have blown all the spores out. I would also take out the

> carpet padding by the way just to be safe.

>

> Good luck and keep working on it-it will get better. Surella

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> > I had to

> > have the floor coated with Hard Seal-another $900!)

> > I have a Humidex going in the basement and I'm hoping that when I test

> > again it will have blown all the spores out. I would also take out the

> > carpet padding by the way just to be safe.

> >

> > Good luck and keep working on it-it will get better. Surella

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