RE: Grapefruit Seed extract - OLE - fluoride

[Guest guest]

I didn't want to start down that road Joyce as I usually wind up writing a book

before I'm done because fluoride and fluoridation is so alarming to me. Just

this morning Mike (Natural News) had a piece on the use (maybe I should

say overuse) of cryolite and its impact on the degree of F taken up by grapes

from cryolite spraying....never mind just watering with fluoridated water.

http://www.naturalnews.com/036753_fluoride_pesticides_grapes.html

I had intended to ask you about the source of grapes for grape seed extract

since California has such a high use of cryolite (brand name Kryocide....maybe

an appropriate name for fluoride genocide). I've gotten very skeptical of

getting any grape based foods/supps/wines from CA as a result. Think I'd feel

safer with a European grape source. Have you looked into that? What really

concerns me is the high level of fluoride found in baby foods and juice. And

they wonder why babies and children are coming up with so many diseases and

disorders. It's truly a crime of such monumental proportions, I get physically

ill contemplating it.

If you read Dr. Yiamouyiannis' brilliant and eye opening book " Fluoride:

The Aging Factor " you really come to understand how insidious fluoride is in the

body and how it does its damage. He explains that fluoride interferes, even

inhibits, the group of enzymes called the DNA repair enzyme system which repairs

DNA when damage is done to it. He calls fluoride " the aging factor " because it

accelerates our again with the type of damage it does. The DNA repair enzyme

system normally slows down as we age. This means the damage goes unrepaired and

leads to cell damage or death. Damaged or dead cells may then put out products

which in turn damage other cells, leading eventually to massive cell death and

the degenerative loss of various tissues and organs in a snowballing cycle of

aging -> damage -> aging to paraphrase him.

He goes on to say, " Serious consequences can also arise if the unrepaired DNA

damage occurs in a cell which gives rise to a sperm or egg cell. In these cases,

DNA damage in the defective egg or sperm cell will be replicated in every cell

of the offspring's body and will lead to a birth defect. If the child with this

birth defect survives to maturity and reproduces, this genetic deformity will be

passed on from generation to generation. " This is one of the reasons why the

number of birth defects increases as maternal age increases.

" Dr. Wolfgang Klein and co-workers at the Seibersdorf Research Center in Austria

reported that 1 ppm fluoride inhibits DNA repair enzyme activity by 50%, hence

fluoride should be expected to lead to an increase in genetic or chromosome

damage. "

" Unrepaired damage of a segment of the DNA responsible for control of cell

growth (brought about by a deficient DNA repair enzyme system) can lead to

uncontrolled cell growth or tumors. Many tumors stop growing when they are

contained by the cells around them. However, in some cases, tumor cells may

release an enzyme, or may be induced by additional genetic damage to release an

enzyme which digests the surrounding cells. The result is an invasive or

malignant tumor and is more commonly referred to as cancer. "

Here we are taking an enormous number of supplements, following a variety of

therapies, eating the best foods we can in an attempt to right the wrongs

inflicted on our bodies and minds by all this. It's as though we are pushing an

enormous fluoride snowball up a steep and endless mountain because with every

attempt, we are either ingesting, inhaling, or absorbing vast amounts of

fluoride through the air, our drinks, our food (even organic), cleansing our

bodies, dentifrices, it's EVERYWHERE and we can't get away from it. We can only

attempt to minimize our exposure, a daunting task at best. Every day it pours

into and on us causing untold havoc. It sometimes feels to me like slow suicide

and I have to steel myself not to get caught up in the feeling of helplessness

that it evokes.

Think how well our bodies could function if not under the overpowering influence

of not only fluoride, but mercury, for instance which goes hand in hand with

fluoride particularly in its neurotoxic effects. There are so many toxins we

face every day, but I really have to feel after researching so many different

areas of cause and effect on our systems, that fluoride may be the most damaging

of all. Its ubiquitous and all encompassing nature affects everyone profoundly,

yet so differently and chameleonlike, that it can pass under the radar like a

stealth bomber.

Thankfully we do have miracle medicines like DMSO that are able to transcend

those barriers to help in the repair necessary from the onslaught of fluoride,

but the effect is compromised with such a challenge. Frequently someone will

talk about a great treatment or supplement and they list all the causes of the

disorder or ailment, but they fail repeatedly to mention the impact of fluoride.

It's as though it doesn't exist. Maybe they just don't know which is hard to

believe nowadays. I sometimes think that those who do know simply won't address

it as a cause because the challenge of doing anything about it is impossibly

overwhelming and convincing people would be virtually impossible. Its unholy

propaganda may persist into perpetuity at the rate its dangers are being

acknowledged by the general public. Truly sad.

Sonie

Sapere Aude – Dare to Know

“Only when the last tree has died, and the last river been poisoned, and the

last fish been caught will we realize we cannot eat money.†- Cree Indian

Proverb

" I wake up each morning torn between a desire to save the world and a desire to

savor the world. This makes it very hard to plan the day.†- E. B. White

RE: Grapefruit Seed extract - OLE

>but found Olive Leaf Extract is the best....OLE....so to this day, I take OLE

500mg per day to keep the EBV down in my body. <

I agree with you Joyce on the OLE. I found it to be a better immune booster than

the GSE, though I've learned to take 3 at a time for better results. As expected

some brands are more potent than others which determines how well they work. Due

to budget constraints, I've settled for lower priced brands of late and they

still seem to do the job quite well.

To that I often add 2 capsules of Y.S. Eco Bee Pollen and that seems to be a

good combo.

Interestingly having gone on Lugol's Solution a few years ago, I find my immune

system strengthened probably because of the thyroid boost, but any stress and it

drops.

Sonie

[Guest guest]

Sonie, I have that same info on the Cryolite and no guarantee on the organic

grapes that I sometimes buy...seedless, of course...can't find grapes with

seeds, that are genetically modified...maybe the " SEEDS " somehow escape the

" F " .....

 

I think I'll contact the company I buy the Grape Seed from and discuss this

cryolite....it's a HUGE crime that has been taken place since 1948 in Grand

Rapids, MI.....

 

The Santa Barbara people are so fortunate, their city officials wanted nothing

to do with this POISON in their water....santa monica **sold out** in late Nov

2008, I ended up with hp replacement in late 2010, I believe " F " connected...

The results from surgery have been horrible for me...joyce

________________________________

To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO

Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2012 8:25 PM

Subject: RE: Grapefruit Seed extract - OLE - fluoride

 

I didn't want to start down that road Joyce as I usually wind up writing a book

before I'm done because fluoride and fluoridation is so alarming to me. Just

this morning Mike (Natural News) had a piece on the use (maybe I should

say overuse) of cryolite and its impact on the degree of F taken up by grapes

from cryolite spraying....never mind just watering with fluoridated water.

http://www.naturalnews.com/036753_fluoride_pesticides_grapes.html

I had intended to ask you about the source of grapes for grape seed extract

since California has such a high use of cryolite (brand name Kryocide....maybe

an appropriate name for fluoride genocide). I've gotten very skeptical of

getting any grape based foods/supps/wines from CA as a result. Think I'd feel

safer with a European grape source. Have you looked into that? What really

concerns me is the high level of fluoride found in baby foods and juice. And

they wonder why babies and children are coming up with so many diseases and

disorders. It's truly a crime of such monumental proportions, I get physically

ill contemplating it.

If you read Dr. Yiamouyiannis' brilliant and eye opening book " Fluoride:

The Aging Factor " you really come to understand how insidious fluoride is in the

body and how it does its damage. He explains that fluoride interferes, even

inhibits, the group of enzymes called the DNA repair enzyme system which repairs

DNA when damage is done to it. He calls fluoride " the aging factor " because it

accelerates our again with the type of damage it does. The DNA repair enzyme

system normally slows down as we age. This means the damage goes unrepaired and

leads to cell damage or death. Damaged or dead cells may then put out products

which in turn damage other cells, leading eventually to massive cell death and

the degenerative loss of various tissues and organs in a snowballing cycle of

aging -> damage -> aging to paraphrase him.

He goes on to say, " Serious consequences can also arise if the unrepaired DNA

damage occurs in a cell which gives rise to a sperm or egg cell. In these cases,

DNA damage in the defective egg or sperm cell will be replicated in every cell

of the offspring's body and will lead to a birth defect. If the child with this

birth defect survives to maturity and reproduces, this genetic deformity will be

passed on from generation to generation. " This is one of the reasons why the

number of birth defects increases as maternal age increases.

" Dr. Wolfgang Klein and co-workers at the Seibersdorf Research Center in Austria

reported that 1 ppm fluoride inhibits DNA repair enzyme activity by 50%, hence

fluoride should be expected to lead to an increase in genetic or chromosome

damage. "

" Unrepaired damage of a segment of the DNA responsible for control of cell

growth (brought about by a deficient DNA repair enzyme system) can lead to

uncontrolled cell growth or tumors. Many tumors stop growing when they are

contained by the cells around them. However, in some cases, tumor cells may

release an enzyme, or may be induced by additional genetic damage to release an

enzyme which digests the surrounding cells. The result is an invasive or

malignant tumor and is more commonly referred to as cancer. "

Here we are taking an enormous number of supplements, following a variety of

therapies, eating the best foods we can in an attempt to right the wrongs

inflicted on our bodies and minds by all this. It's as though we are pushing an

enormous fluoride snowball up a steep and endless mountain because with every

attempt, we are either ingesting, inhaling, or absorbing vast amounts of

fluoride through the air, our drinks, our food (even organic), cleansing our

bodies, dentifrices, it's EVERYWHERE and we can't get away from it. We can only

attempt to minimize our exposure, a daunting task at best. Every day it pours

into and on us causing untold havoc. It sometimes feels to me like slow suicide

and I have to steel myself not to get caught up in the feeling of helplessness

that it evokes.

Think how well our bodies could function if not under the overpowering influence

of not only fluoride, but mercury, for instance which goes hand in hand with

fluoride particularly in its neurotoxic effects. There are so many toxins we

face every day, but I really have to feel after researching so many different

areas of cause and effect on our systems, that fluoride may be the most damaging

of all. Its ubiquitous and all encompassing nature affects everyone profoundly,

yet so differently and chameleonlike, that it can pass under the radar like a

stealth bomber.

Thankfully we do have miracle medicines like DMSO that are able to transcend

those barriers to help in the repair necessary from the onslaught of fluoride,

but the effect is compromised with such a challenge. Frequently someone will

talk about a great treatment or supplement and they list all the causes of the

disorder or ailment, but they fail repeatedly to mention the impact of fluoride.

It's as though it doesn't exist. Maybe they just don't know which is hard to

believe nowadays. I sometimes think that those who do know simply won't address

it as a cause because the challenge of doing anything about it is impossibly

overwhelming and convincing people would be virtually impossible. Its unholy

propaganda may persist into perpetuity at the rate its dangers are being

acknowledged by the general public. Truly sad.

Sonie

Sapere Aude – Dare to Know

“Only when the last tree has died, and the last river been poisoned, and the

last fish been caught will we realize we cannot eat money.†- Cree Indian

Proverb

" I wake up each morning torn between a desire to save the world and a desire to

savor the world. This makes it very hard to plan the day.†- E. B. White

RE: Grapefruit Seed extract - OLE

>but found Olive Leaf Extract is the best....OLE....so to this day, I take OLE

500mg per day to keep the EBV down in my body. <

I agree with you Joyce on the OLE. I found it to be a better immune booster than

the GSE, though I've learned to take 3 at a time for better results. As expected

some brands are more potent than others which determines how well they work. Due

to budget constraints, I've settled for lower priced brands of late and they

still seem to do the job quite well.

To that I often add 2 capsules of Y.S. Eco Bee Pollen and that seems to be a

good combo.

Interestingly having gone on Lugol's Solution a few years ago, I find my immune

system strengthened probably because of the thyroid boost, but any stress and it

drops.

Sonie

[Guest guest]

>Sonie, I have that same info on the Cryolite and no guarantee on the organic

grapes that I sometimes buy...seedless, of course...can't find grapes with

seeds, that are genetically modified...maybe the " SEEDS " somehow escape the

" F " .....<

I can't seem to find anything about that on the net. Since I'm a member of LEF,

I'll ask the advisors about F content in their grape seed extract. They will

have a Certificate of Analysis which they'll make available to me. All companies

selling supplements are supposed to have this for customers - it's an assay of

their product. In June when I wanted to ascertain the amount of F present in

green tea extract. I feared the concentration because of dehydration might make

the F content high. It's rather amusing to look back on my discussion with the

advisor because he had absolutely no idea F could be in it or be a potential

problem. At first he looked something up and said it appeared there was 0.5 mg

in it. I asked whether that was per bottle or per capsule and that would be

dangerously high. He put me on hold to go check and then came back and said they

would look into it further and get back to me. It took a week, but finally he

left a message on my answering machine saying he had the information and then

emailed me the certificate which indicated a far, far lower amount. I can't

remember now but it was insignificant, so that eased my mind. I don't know if

this is true for other brands, but at least the LEF GTE seems fine.

What concerns me more is that organic standards allow for certain use of

pesticides apparently despite our thinking they're clean, so we still have to

worry about its content.

>I think I'll contact the company I buy the Grape Seed from and discuss this

cryolite....it's a HUGE crime that has been taken place since 1948 in Grand

Rapids, MI.....<

Yes, it is a HUGE crime. Don't remind me about the Grand Rapids debacle. That

was supposed to be a 15 year study with GR fluoridated and Muskegon used as a

control city. I've read that after 4 years they quietly, without public

disclosure, disbanded the study and fluoridated Muskegon, so the reports were

bogus and conclusions falsified. Caries rates were the same for both cities

during that period. After only 4 years, deaths from heart disease, cancer, brain

disease, diabetes, hardening of arteries had increased 25-50% over Michigan as a

whole. (1950 census) I encourage people to read Waldbott's book " Struggle With

Titans " for a closer look at his fight to stop fluoridation.

>The Santa Barbara people are so fortunate, their city officials wanted nothing

to do with this POISON in their water....santa monica **sold out** in late Nov

2008, I ended up with hp replacement in late 2010, I believe " F " connected...

The results from surgery have been horrible for me...joyce<

I'm sorry to hear that Joyce....the hip part and Santa , not Santa

Barbara. F could very well be the culprit, it is in so many areas and bone

disease is a primary affliction. Water fluoridation MUST be stopped EVERYWHERE

for it to have a real impact since it's in everything.

Just this morning the Fluoride Poisoning list reported that a coalition is once

again trying quietly to get Portland fluoridated again.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/08/new_coalition_lobbies_to_fl\

uor.html

It's interesting that Portland's City Commissioner leaves office in 5 months, so

he won't have to be getting any backlash from it. I just have to think their

palms are being greased by vested interests....there's just too much evidence of

harm to the contrary and no one in their right mind (of course that's another

problem) would embrace this anymore unless there was some financial or political

advantage.

Sonie

Sapere Aude - Dare to know

________________________________

To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO

Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2012 8:25 PM

Subject: RE: Grapefruit Seed extract - OLE - fluoride

I didn't want to start down that road Joyce as I usually wind up writing a book

before I'm done because fluoride and fluoridation is so alarming to me. Just

this morning Mike (Natural News) had a piece on the use (maybe I should

say overuse) of cryolite and its impact on the degree of F taken up by grapes

from cryolite spraying....never mind just watering with fluoridated water.

http://www.naturalnews.com/036753_fluoride_pesticides_grapes.html

I had intended to ask you about the source of grapes for grape seed extract

since California has such a high use of cryolite (brand name Kryocide....maybe

an appropriate name for fluoride genocide). I've gotten very skeptical of

getting any grape based foods/supps/wines from CA as a result. Think I'd feel

safer with a European grape source. Have you looked into that? What really

concerns me is the high level of fluoride found in baby foods and juice. And

they wonder why babies and children are coming up with so many diseases and

disorders. It's truly a crime of such monumental proportions, I get physically

ill contemplating it.

If you read Dr. Yiamouyiannis' brilliant and eye opening book " Fluoride:

The Aging Factor " you really come to understand how insidious fluoride is in the

body and how it does its damage. He explains that fluoride interferes, even

inhibits, the group of enzymes called the DNA repair enzyme system which repairs

DNA when damage is done to it. He calls fluoride " the aging factor " because it

accelerates our again with the type of damage it does. The DNA repair enzyme

system normally slows down as we age. This means the damage goes unrepaired and

leads to cell damage or death. Damaged or dead cells may then put out products

which in turn damage other cells, leading eventually to massive cell death and

the degenerative loss of various tissues and organs in a snowballing cycle of

aging -> damage -> aging to paraphrase him.

He goes on to say, " Serious consequences can also arise if the unrepaired DNA

damage occurs in a cell which gives rise to a sperm or egg cell. In these cases,

DNA damage in the defective egg or sperm cell will be replicated in every cell

of the offspring's body and will lead to a birth defect. If the child with this

birth defect survives to maturity and reproduces, this genetic deformity will be

passed on from generation to generation. " This is one of the reasons why the

number of birth defects increases as maternal age increases.

" Dr. Wolfgang Klein and co-workers at the Seibersdorf Research Center in Austria

reported that 1 ppm fluoride inhibits DNA repair enzyme activity by 50%, hence

fluoride should be expected to lead to an increase in genetic or chromosome

damage. "

" Unrepaired damage of a segment of the DNA responsible for control of cell

growth (brought about by a deficient DNA repair enzyme system) can lead to

uncontrolled cell growth or tumors. Many tumors stop growing when they are

contained by the cells around them. However, in some cases, tumor cells may

release an enzyme, or may be induced by additional genetic damage to release an

enzyme which digests the surrounding cells. The result is an invasive or

malignant tumor and is more commonly referred to as cancer. "

Here we are taking an enormous number of supplements, following a variety of

therapies, eating the best foods we can in an attempt to right the wrongs

inflicted on our bodies and minds by all this. It's as though we are pushing an

enormous fluoride snowball up a steep and endless mountain because with every

attempt, we are either ingesting, inhaling, or absorbing vast amounts of

fluoride through the air, our drinks, our food (even organic), cleansing our

bodies, dentifrices, it's EVERYWHERE and we can't get away from it. We can only

attempt to minimize our exposure, a daunting task at best. Every day it pours

into and on us causing untold havoc. It sometimes feels to me like slow suicide

and I have to steel myself not to get caught up in the feeling of helplessness

that it evokes.

Think how well our bodies could function if not under the overpowering influence

of not only fluoride, but mercury, for instance which goes hand in hand with

fluoride particularly in its neurotoxic effects. There are so many toxins we

face every day, but I really have to feel after researching so many different

areas of cause and effect on our systems, that fluoride may be the most damaging

of all. Its ubiquitous and all encompassing nature affects everyone profoundly,

yet so differently and chameleonlike, that it can pass under the radar like a

stealth bomber.

Thankfully we do have miracle medicines like DMSO that are able to transcend

those barriers to help in the repair necessary from the onslaught of fluoride,

but the effect is compromised with such a challenge. Frequently someone will

talk about a great treatment or supplement and they list all the causes of the

disorder or ailment, but they fail repeatedly to mention the impact of fluoride.

It's as though it doesn't exist. Maybe they just don't know which is hard to

believe nowadays. I sometimes think that those who do know simply won't address

it as a cause because the challenge of doing anything about it is impossibly

overwhelming and convincing people would be virtually impossible. Its unholy

propaganda may persist into perpetuity at the rate its dangers are being

acknowledged by the general public. Truly sad.

Sonie

Sapere Aude – Dare to Know

“Only when the last tree has died, and the last river been poisoned, and the

last fish been caught will we realize we cannot eat money.†- Cree Indian

Proverb

" I wake up each morning torn between a desire to save the world and a desire to

savor the world. This makes it very hard to plan the day.†- E. B. White

RE: Grapefruit Seed extract - OLE

>but found Olive Leaf Extract is the best....OLE....so to this day, I take OLE

500mg per day to keep the EBV down in my body. <

I agree with you Joyce on the OLE. I found it to be a better immune booster than

the GSE, though I've learned to take 3 at a time for better results. As expected

some brands are more potent than others which determines how well they work. Due

to budget constraints, I've settled for lower priced brands of late and they

still seem to do the job quite well.

To that I often add 2 capsules of Y.S. Eco Bee Pollen and that seems to be a

good combo.

Interestingly having gone on Lugol's Solution a few years ago, I find my immune

system strengthened probably because of the thyroid boost, but any stress and it

drops.

Sonie

[Guest guest]

You know there is a major lawsuit going on concerning San Diego, Los Angeles and

Ventura Counties...on the fluoridation, pushed it right thru in spite of major

protests.... I don't know where that lawsuit stands now.   I believe it was

all started in San Diego with the efforts of Dr. Kennedy and Jeff Green and

their group of anti-F...people.

 

I was in the 3 yr battle here in Santa , and just got rid of a large box

of all my letters to editors and all my collected data during those 3 yrs...

 

You know it's interesting to say the least, 2 of our council members were

against " F " our city waters, one member was already on dyalsis and not long

after we got fluoridated, this member died...probably all that extra " F " going

into the dyalsis equipment.    sooo sad, all of it. 

________________________________

To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO

Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 12:49 PM

Subject: RE: Grapefruit Seed extract - OLE - fluoride

 

>Sonie, I have that same info on the Cryolite and no guarantee on the organic

grapes that I sometimes buy...seedless, of course...can't find grapes with

seeds, that are genetically modified...maybe the " SEEDS " somehow escape the

" F " .....<

I can't seem to find anything about that on the net. Since I'm a member of LEF,

I'll ask the advisors about F content in their grape seed extract. They will

have a Certificate of Analysis which they'll make available to me. All companies

selling supplements are supposed to have this for customers - it's an assay of

their product. In June when I wanted to ascertain the amount of F present in

green tea extract. I feared the concentration because of dehydration might make

the F content high. It's rather amusing to look back on my discussion with the

advisor because he had absolutely no idea F could be in it or be a potential

problem. At first he looked something up and said it appeared there was 0.5 mg

in it. I asked whether that was per bottle or per capsule and that would be

dangerously high. He put me on hold to go check and then came back and said they

would look into it further and get back to me. It took a week, but finally he

left a message on my

answering machine saying he had the information and then emailed me the

certificate which indicated a far, far lower amount. I can't remember now but it

was insignificant, so that eased my mind. I don't know if this is true for other

brands, but at least the LEF GTE seems fine.

What concerns me more is that organic standards allow for certain use of

pesticides apparently despite our thinking they're clean, so we still have to

worry about its content.

>I think I'll contact the company I buy the Grape Seed from and discuss this

cryolite....it's a HUGE crime that has been taken place since 1948 in Grand

Rapids, MI.....<

Yes, it is a HUGE crime. Don't remind me about the Grand Rapids debacle. That

was supposed to be a 15 year study with GR fluoridated and Muskegon used as a

control city. I've read that after 4 years they quietly, without public

disclosure, disbanded the study and fluoridated Muskegon, so the reports were

bogus and conclusions falsified. Caries rates were the same for both cities

during that period. After only 4 years, deaths from heart disease, cancer, brain

disease, diabetes, hardening of arteries had increased 25-50% over Michigan as a

whole. (1950 census) I encourage people to read Waldbott's book " Struggle With

Titans " for a closer look at his fight to stop fluoridation.

>The Santa Barbara people are so fortunate, their city officials wanted nothing

to do with this POISON in their water....santa monica **sold out** in late Nov

2008, I ended up with hp replacement in late 2010, I believe " F " connected...

The results from surgery have been horrible for me...joyce<

I'm sorry to hear that Joyce....the hip part and Santa , not Santa

Barbara. F could very well be the culprit, it is in so many areas and bone

disease is a primary affliction. Water fluoridation MUST be stopped EVERYWHERE

for it to have a real impact since it's in everything.

Just this morning the Fluoride Poisoning list reported that a coalition is once

again trying quietly to get Portland fluoridated again.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/08/new_coalition_lobbies_to_fl\

uor.html

It's interesting that Portland's City Commissioner leaves office in 5 months, so

he won't have to be getting any backlash from it. I just have to think their

palms are being greased by vested interests....there's just too much evidence of

harm to the contrary and no one in their right mind (of course that's another

problem) would embrace this anymore unless there was some financial or political

advantage.

Sonie

Sapere Aude - Dare to know

________________________________

From: Sonie <mailto:sonie9%40sbcglobal.net>

To: mailto:DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO%40yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2012 8:25 PM

Subject: RE: Grapefruit Seed extract - OLE - fluoride

I didn't want to start down that road Joyce as I usually wind up writing a book

before I'm done because fluoride and fluoridation is so alarming to me. Just

this morning Mike (Natural News) had a piece on the use (maybe I should

say overuse) of cryolite and its impact on the degree of F taken up by grapes

from cryolite spraying....never mind just watering with fluoridated water.

http://www.naturalnews.com/036753_fluoride_pesticides_grapes.html

I had intended to ask you about the source of grapes for grape seed extract

since California has such a high use of cryolite (brand name Kryocide....maybe

an appropriate name for fluoride genocide). I've gotten very skeptical of

getting any grape based foods/supps/wines from CA as a result. Think I'd feel

safer with a European grape source. Have you looked into that? What really

concerns me is the high level of fluoride found in baby foods and juice. And

they wonder why babies and children are coming up with so many diseases and

disorders. It's truly a crime of such monumental proportions, I get physically

ill contemplating it.

If you read Dr. Yiamouyiannis' brilliant and eye opening book " Fluoride:

The Aging Factor " you really come to understand how insidious fluoride is in the

body and how it does its damage. He explains that fluoride interferes, even

inhibits, the group of enzymes called the DNA repair enzyme system which repairs

DNA when damage is done to it. He calls fluoride " the aging factor " because it

accelerates our again with the type of damage it does. The DNA repair enzyme

system normally slows down as we age. This means the damage goes unrepaired and

leads to cell damage or death. Damaged or dead cells may then put out products

which in turn damage other cells, leading eventually to massive cell death and

the degenerative loss of various tissues and organs in a snowballing cycle of

aging -> damage -> aging to paraphrase him.

He goes on to say, " Serious consequences can also arise if the unrepaired DNA

damage occurs in a cell which gives rise to a sperm or egg cell. In these cases,

DNA damage in the defective egg or sperm cell will be replicated in every cell

of the offspring's body and will lead to a birth defect. If the child with this

birth defect survives to maturity and reproduces, this genetic deformity will be

passed on from generation to generation. " This is one of the reasons why the

number of birth defects increases as maternal age increases.

" Dr. Wolfgang Klein and co-workers at the Seibersdorf Research Center in Austria

reported that 1 ppm fluoride inhibits DNA repair enzyme activity by 50%, hence

fluoride should be expected to lead to an increase in genetic or chromosome

damage. "

" Unrepaired damage of a segment of the DNA responsible for control of cell

growth (brought about by a deficient DNA repair enzyme system) can lead to

uncontrolled cell growth or tumors. Many tumors stop growing when they are

contained by the cells around them. However, in some cases, tumor cells may

release an enzyme, or may be induced by additional genetic damage to release an

enzyme which digests the surrounding cells. The result is an invasive or

malignant tumor and is more commonly referred to as cancer. "

Here we are taking an enormous number of supplements, following a variety of

therapies, eating the best foods we can in an attempt to right the wrongs

inflicted on our bodies and minds by all this. It's as though we are pushing an

enormous fluoride snowball up a steep and endless mountain because with every

attempt, we are either ingesting, inhaling, or absorbing vast amounts of

fluoride through the air, our drinks, our food (even organic), cleansing our

bodies, dentifrices, it's EVERYWHERE and we can't get away from it. We can only

attempt to minimize our exposure, a daunting task at best. Every day it pours

into and on us causing untold havoc. It sometimes feels to me like slow suicide

and I have to steel myself not to get caught up in the feeling of helplessness

that it evokes.

Think how well our bodies could function if not under the overpowering influence

of not only fluoride, but mercury, for instance which goes hand in hand with

fluoride particularly in its neurotoxic effects. There are so many toxins we

face every day, but I really have to feel after researching so many different

areas of cause and effect on our systems, that fluoride may be the most damaging

of all. Its ubiquitous and all encompassing nature affects everyone profoundly,

yet so differently and chameleonlike, that it can pass under the radar like a

stealth bomber.

Thankfully we do have miracle medicines like DMSO that are able to transcend

those barriers to help in the repair necessary from the onslaught of fluoride,

but the effect is compromised with such a challenge. Frequently someone will

talk about a great treatment or supplement and they list all the causes of the

disorder or ailment, but they fail repeatedly to mention the impact of fluoride.

It's as though it doesn't exist. Maybe they just don't know which is hard to

believe nowadays. I sometimes think that those who do know simply won't address

it as a cause because the challenge of doing anything about it is impossibly

overwhelming and convincing people would be virtually impossible. Its unholy

propaganda may persist into perpetuity at the rate its dangers are being

acknowledged by the general public. Truly sad.

Sonie

Sapere Aude – Dare to Know

“Only when the last tree has died, and the last river been poisoned, and the

last fish been caught will we realize we cannot eat money.†- Cree Indian

Proverb

" I wake up each morning torn between a desire to save the world and a desire to

savor the world. This makes it very hard to plan the day.†- E. B. White

RE: Grapefruit Seed extract - OLE

>but found Olive Leaf Extract is the best....OLE....so to this day, I take OLE

500mg per day to keep the EBV down in my body. <

I agree with you Joyce on the OLE. I found it to be a better immune booster than

the GSE, though I've learned to take 3 at a time for better results. As expected

some brands are more potent than others which determines how well they work. Due

to budget constraints, I've settled for lower priced brands of late and they

still seem to do the job quite well.

To that I often add 2 capsules of Y.S. Eco Bee Pollen and that seems to be a

good combo.

Interestingly having gone on Lugol's Solution a few years ago, I find my immune

system strengthened probably because of the thyroid boost, but any stress and it

drops.

Sonie