Re:Headpain is at an all time HighLately

[Guest guest]

Hi nne,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporal_arteritis

In the likelihood that your car is contributing to your headaches, here is

what cured ny father's 24 hour a day headaches, caused by mold growing in his

car. He had a 2 year long exposure to mold growing in the wet floor carpeting

of his car. [Don't be crazy-there is no mold growing in my car-and even if there

was mold, mold can not make you sick, because mold is everywhere....yadda,

yadda]

What eventually happened, was, that the mold destroyed his lung's ability to

fight off any respiratory infection. So, he checked into the hospital, every 2

to 3 months, with a lung infection. At the same time, he began experiencing

headaches. At first, only upon awakening, and disappearing as the day wore on.

Gradually the duration of the headaches increased, until he had one long

headache, 24/7, that never went away. The intensity became so great, that he

became suicidal, out of a desire to stop the pain.

Then, after many typical (stupid) members of the medical profession had tried

everything in their bags of magical medical " specialties " , I made an interesting

observation. I noticed that during every hospitalization his headaches

DISAPPEARED. If this were an episode of " House " , or some other T.V. doctor, they

would have said: " hold on a minute-I think we found something here " .

But, alas, this is real life. And in real life, the doctors, and hospitals,

know that the patient's Insurance company, or Medicare, have ordained that it

should take less than ten days to " cure " the patient of his lung infection, and

get him discharged from the hospital. So, they miss this opportunity to " cure "

the patient of his headaches, because the computer code ICD-9 , does not show

the patient coded for headaches. It shows him coded for " lung infection " . (God

bless computer coding?)

But Doctor Joe (me) does NOT miss this opportunity. I ask myself " why " are his

headaches disappearing during his hospital stays. I observe that he is being

given prednisone, or it's I.V. equivalent, during his hospital stays. I ask why?

They tell me that it is to releive the inflamation in his lungs.

So, it doesn't take a genius, just someone smarter than a doctor, to

extrapolate that the prednisone is ALSO releiving the inflamation, somewhere in

his head, and " curing " his headaches. So, Dr. Joe puts dad on a regimen of

prednisone, even when dad DOES NOT HAVE A LUNG INFECTION.

The headaches disappear.

I hypothesize that they had been caused by some form of vasculitis

(inflamation) in the blood vessels of the head. The link, at the beginning of

this post, is for those people too impatient to listen to an old man (65)

patting himself on his back. It is wikipedia's article on temporal arteritis,

which is a major variety of vasculitis, There, on good old Wiki, it lists

corticosteroids (prednisone) as the accepted standard, AND ONLY OPTION, to cure

this problem.

My dad's experience, with prednisone, was 2 to 3 days, at 20 mg a day, to

begin noticing relief. One week, before feeling substantially improved. Two

weeks for total " cure " NO HEADACHES. Everyone's minimally effective dose level

has to be worked out with the " help " of an M.D. My dad is 92. He will have to

be on prednisone for the rest of his life. There are some " lousy " side effects.

But I can't imagine any of them to be as serious as non-stop intractible

headaches.

One last note. Absolutely NOTHING will releive your headaches, if you continue

to use your car, if you are correct in your assumption, that it has mold in it.

My dad's " cure " only took 2 weeks. That's not too long a time period to live

with public transportation and taxis. It's your life. It's your choice. Best of

luck.

Joe

[Guest guest]

>

>

> My dad's experience, with prednisone, was 2 to 3 days, at 20 mg a

day, to begin noticing relief. One week, before feeling substantially

improved. Two weeks for total " cure " NO HEADACHES. Everyone's

minimally effective dose level has to be worked out with the " help "

of an M.D. My dad is 92. He will have to be on prednisone for the

rest of his life. There are some " lousy " side effects. But I can't

imagine any of them to be as serious as non-stop intractible

headaches.

>

> One last note. Absolutely NOTHING will releive your headaches, if

you continue to use your car, if you are correct in your assumption,

that it has mold in it. My dad's " cure " only took 2 weeks. That's not

too long a time period to live with public transportation and taxis.

It's your life. It's your choice. Best of luck.

............................................................

I forgot to say, in my last post, what to do, if the prednisone does

not work.

If your headache is caused by mold giving you vasculitis, as was my

dad's headaches, you will be " cured " in 2 weeks or less. If not,

prednisone is the cheapest of all medicines, and it can not harm you,

in the least, if only taken for 2 weeks. At the end of the 2 weeks,

if you have REALLY not entered the car for even 5 minutes, and you

STILL have the headaches, remember that you have to taper off the

prednisone dose, slowly. Three days each at 15mg, 10mg, 5mg.

Please remember that only 5 minutes in the car, during the entire two

weeks, will destroy the entire beneficial effects of the prednisone.

I'm not exactly sure why that is so, but I witnessed it happen dozens

of times, with my dad, over a 2 year period.

[Guest guest]

I found relief with trigger point shots. It was a miracle!!! !0 months of

nonstop and than relief.. You poor thing. I know how painful they are and

nothing touches them.

I hope you feel better soon

a

Joe Salowitz <josephsalowitz@...> wrote: Hi

nne,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporal_arteritis

In the likelihood that your car is contributing to your headaches, here is

what cured ny father's 24 hour a day headaches, caused by mold growing in his

car. He had a 2 year long exposure to mold growing in the wet floor carpeting

of his car. [Don't be crazy-there is no mold growing in my car-and even if there

was mold, mold can not make you sick, because mold is everywhere....yadda,

yadda]

What eventually happened, was, that the mold destroyed his lung's ability to

fight off any respiratory infection. So, he checked into the hospital, every 2

to 3 months, with a lung infection. At the same time, he began experiencing

headaches. At first, only upon awakening, and disappearing as the day wore on.

Gradually the duration of the headaches increased, until he had one long

headache, 24/7, that never went away. The intensity became so great, that he

became suicidal, out of a desire to stop the pain.

Then, after many typical (stupid) members of the medical profession had tried

everything in their bags of magical medical " specialties " , I made an interesting

observation. I noticed that during every hospitalization his headaches

DISAPPEARED. If this were an episode of " House " , or some other T.V. doctor, they

would have said: " hold on a minute-I think we found something here " .

But, alas, this is real life. And in real life, the doctors, and hospitals,

know that the patient's Insurance company, or Medicare, have ordained that it

should take less than ten days to " cure " the patient of his lung infection, and

get him discharged from the hospital. So, they miss this opportunity to " cure "

the patient of his headaches, because the computer code ICD-9 , does not show

the patient coded for headaches. It shows him coded for " lung infection " . (God

bless computer coding?)

But Doctor Joe (me) does NOT miss this opportunity. I ask myself " why " are

his headaches disappearing during his hospital stays. I observe that he is being

given prednisone, or it's I.V. equivalent, during his hospital stays. I ask why?

They tell me that it is to releive the inflamation in his lungs.

So, it doesn't take a genius, just someone smarter than a doctor, to

extrapolate that the prednisone is ALSO releiving the inflamation, somewhere in

his head, and " curing " his headaches. So, Dr. Joe puts dad on a regimen of

prednisone, even when dad DOES NOT HAVE A LUNG INFECTION.

The headaches disappear.

I hypothesize that they had been caused by some form of vasculitis

(inflamation) in the blood vessels of the head. The link, at the beginning of

this post, is for those people too impatient to listen to an old man (65)

patting himself on his back. It is wikipedia's article on temporal arteritis,

which is a major variety of vasculitis, There, on good old Wiki, it lists

corticosteroids (prednisone) as the accepted standard, AND ONLY OPTION, to cure

this problem.

My dad's experience, with prednisone, was 2 to 3 days, at 20 mg a day, to

begin noticing relief. One week, before feeling substantially improved. Two

weeks for total " cure " NO HEADACHES. Everyone's minimally effective dose level

has to be worked out with the " help " of an M.D. My dad is 92. He will have to

be on prednisone for the rest of his life. There are some " lousy " side effects.

But I can't imagine any of them to be as serious as non-stop intractible

headaches.

One last note. Absolutely NOTHING will releive your headaches, if you

continue to use your car, if you are correct in your assumption, that it has

mold in it. My dad's " cure " only took 2 weeks. That's not too long a time period

to live with public transportation and taxis. It's your life. It's your choice.

Best of luck.

Joe

[Guest guest]

Joe,

You do know that after a few weeks following his taking prednisone,

your Dad will still have an allergic reaction to the mold UNLESS you

eradicate it.

[Guest guest]

Do wish there was away that readers of this discussion group could look at other

posts by doing a word search. I had posted the potential danger of prednisone

earlier. Prednisone does reduced inflammation. However, in the process it

suppresses the immune system. There is ample information in the medical

literature regarding invasive aspergillosis in patients on prednisone. Believe

me, it does occur, particularly in patients with COPD. Jack D. Thrasher, Ph.D.

[Guest guest]

Dr.Thrasher, there is a way, but people would have to come to the

main group, click on messages and type in the person or word (ie;

predisone) and it will bring you back to many different messages.

Unfortunately many people use their emails to reply to posts and not

the main group.

Sharon C.

>

> Do wish there was away that readers of this discussion group could

look at other posts by doing a word search. I had posted the

potential danger of prednisone earlier. Prednisone does reduced

inflammation. However, in the process it suppresses the immune

system. There is ample information in the medical literature

regarding invasive aspergillosis in patients on prednisone. Believe

me, it does occur, particularly in patients with COPD. Jack D.

Thrasher, Ph.D.

>

[Guest guest]

Joe was your Dad ever tested for aspergillosis or any other IgE fungal tests?

Joe Salowitz <josephsalowitz@...> wrote:

Then, after many typical (stupid) members of the medical profession had tried

everything in their bags of magical medical " specialties " , I made an interesting

observation. I noticed that during every hospitalization his headaches

DISAPPEARED. If this were an episode of " House " , or some other T.V. doctor, they

would have said: " hold on a minute-I think we found something here " .

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a,

What are trigger point shots and who does them?

Thanks,

Sam

a Townsend <kmtown2003@...> wrote:

I found relief with trigger point shots. It was a miracle!!! !0 months of

nonstop and than relief.. You poor thing. I know how painful they are and

nothing touches them.

I hope you feel better soon

---------------------------------

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Access, No Cost.

[Guest guest]

>

> Joe,

> You do know that after a few weeks following his taking prednisone,

> your Dad will still have an allergic reaction to the mold UNLESS you

> eradicate it.

>

...........................................................

I guess that I didn't make it clear, in my posting, that he got rid of

the car. But, I DID say that he has to be on Prednisone for the rest of

his life, or the headaches return, immediately, once he stops taking

the Prednisone. We found this out, through trial and error.

[Guest guest]

>

> Do wish there was away that readers of this discussion group could

look at other posts by doing a word search. I had posted the potential

danger of prednisone earlier. Prednisone does reduced inflammation.

However, in the process it suppresses the immune system. There is

ample information in the medical literature regarding invasive

aspergillosis in patients on prednisone. Believe me, it does occur,

particularly in patients with COPD. Jack D. Thrasher, Ph.D.

.............................................................

I should have stressed the fact that Prednisone should always be a

medicine of " Last Resort " , since, as you say, it " suppresses the immune

system " . Thanks for pointing that out.

Joe

[Guest guest]

>

> Joe was your Dad ever tested for aspergillosis or any other IgE

fungal tests?

>

....................................................

Hi Sam,

Yes, my dad's been tested for those thing, many times (he's 92).

Nothing ever showed up. My guess is, that for every observable case

of aspergillosis or other positive IgE fungal tests, there are

probably one thousand people hospitalized for bacterial infections

whose root cause is the (non testable) mycotoxin damage to the lungs

and upper respiratory system, which made them incapable of fighting

off the assault of bacterial exposures that we all encounter, on a

daily basis, every time we are around someone who coughs or sneezes.

This ROOT cause remains invisible, in the medical records. None of

these medical morons ever said, to my dad: " why do you think you are

back in the hospital, every 6 to 8 weeks, for similar lung

infections? " The medical profession never concerns itself with ROOT

causes. They only focus on the acute symptoms that are visible upon

physical examination. I doubt if that medical " short-sightedness "

will ever change, in my lifetime.

Joe

[Guest guest]

joe my car (really my sons car) is only 2 years old. this cant be happening.

it really can be cause i feel kind of lousy in the car. oh hum.

roe

Joe Salowitz <josephsalowitz@...> wrote:

Hi nne,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporal_arteritis

In the likelihood that your car is contributing to your headaches, here is what

cured ny father's 24 hour a day headaches, caused by mold growing in his car. He

had a 2 year long exposure to mold growing in the wet floor carpeting of his

car. [Don't be crazy-there is no mold growing in my car-and even if there was

mold, mold can not make you sick, because mold is everywhere....yadda, yadda]

What eventually happened, was, that the mold destroyed his lung's ability to

fight off any respiratory infection. So, he checked into the hospital, every 2

to 3 months, with a lung infection. At the same time, he began experiencing

headaches. At first, only upon awakening, and disappearing as the day wore on.

Gradually the duration of the headaches increased, until he had one long

headache, 24/7, that never went away. The intensity became so great, that he

became suicidal, out of a desire to stop the pain.

Then, after many typical (stupid) members of the medical profession had tried

everything in their bags of magical medical " specialties " , I made an interesting

observation. I noticed that during every hospitalization his headaches

DISAPPEARED. If this were an episode of " House " , or some other T.V. doctor, they

would have said: " hold on a minute-I think we found something here " .

But, alas, this is real life. And in real life, the doctors, and hospitals, know

that the patient's Insurance company, or Medicare, have ordained that it should

take less than ten days to " cure " the patient of his lung infection, and get him

discharged from the hospital. So, they miss this opportunity to " cure " the

patient of his headaches, because the computer code ICD-9 , does not show the

patient coded for headaches. It shows him coded for " lung infection " . (God bless

computer coding?)

But Doctor Joe (me) does NOT miss this opportunity. I ask myself " why " are his

headaches disappearing during his hospital stays. I observe that he is being

given prednisone, or it's I.V. equivalent, during his hospital stays. I ask why?

They tell me that it is to releive the inflamation in his lungs.

So, it doesn't take a genius, just someone smarter than a doctor, to extrapolate

that the prednisone is ALSO releiving the inflamation, somewhere in his head,

and " curing " his headaches. So, Dr. Joe puts dad on a regimen of prednisone,

even when dad DOES NOT HAVE A LUNG INFECTION.

The headaches disappear.

I hypothesize that they had been caused by some form of vasculitis (inflamation)

in the blood vessels of the head. The link, at the beginning of this post, is

for those people too impatient to listen to an old man (65) patting himself on

his back. It is wikipedia's article on temporal arteritis, which is a major

variety of vasculitis, There, on good old Wiki, it lists corticosteroids

(prednisone) as the accepted standard, AND ONLY OPTION, to cure this problem.

My dad's experience, with prednisone, was 2 to 3 days, at 20 mg a day, to begin

noticing relief. One week, before feeling substantially improved. Two weeks for

total " cure " NO HEADACHES. Everyone's minimally effective dose level has to be

worked out with the " help " of an M.D. My dad is 92. He will have to be on

prednisone for the rest of his life. There are some " lousy " side effects. But I

can't imagine any of them to be as serious as non-stop intractible headaches.

One last note. Absolutely NOTHING will releive your headaches, if you continue

to use your car, if you are correct in your assumption, that it has mold in it.

My dad's " cure " only took 2 weeks. That's not too long a time period to live

with public transportation and taxis. It's your life. It's your choice. Best of

luck.

Joe

[Guest guest]

I don't think it will change either Joe because I believe the medical

profession is not interested in curing patients. It's far too

lucrative to keep us sick and paying through our nose literally.

Sharon Hanson

> Yes, my dad's been tested for those thing, many times (he's 92).

> Nothing ever showed up. My guess is, that for every observable

case

> of aspergillosis or other positive IgE fungal tests, there are

> probably one thousand people hospitalized for bacterial infections

> whose root cause is the (non testable) mycotoxin damage to the

lungs

> and upper respiratory system, which made them incapable of fighting

> off the assault of bacterial exposures that we all encounter, on a

> daily basis, every time we are around someone who coughs or sneezes.

>

> This ROOT cause remains invisible, in the medical records. None of

> these medical morons ever said, to my dad: " why do you think you

are

> back in the hospital, every 6 to 8 weeks, for similar lung

> infections? " The medical profession never concerns itself with ROOT

> causes. They only focus on the acute symptoms that are visible upon

> physical examination. I doubt if that medical " short-sightedness "

> will ever change, in my lifetime.

>

> Joe

>

[Guest guest]

I just returned from seeing the pulmonologist. We spoke about the Ige tests and

he confirmed how limiting they can be. If you don't find aspergillus or a few

others, it still doesn't mean that mold hasn't either affected or infected your

lungs. He said a broncoscopy or less invasive a sputum test could be used. We

didn't discuss that much further. But is it possible that through a sputum

sample that they could at least detect fungi? I had heart issues years back and

the cause was eventually cited as viral in nature from the biopsy of a tissue

sample. Sadly, they either couldn't or just didn't take it further to determine

what the virus was-- which we tried strenuously to find out. But at least we did

have a sense of the cause being viral somewhat narrowed the possible cause. I

wondered if at least the same vould be so for fungi or mold in the lungs? At the

very least, Sharon, with few exceptions you are right about the medical

community making money on illness.

Sharon <shha2002@...> wrote: I don't think it will change either Joe

because I believe the medical

profession is not interested in curing patients. It's far too

lucrative to keep us sick and paying through our nose literally.

Sharon Hanson

> Yes, my dad's been tested for those thing, many times (he's 92).

> Nothing ever showed up. My guess is, that for every observable

case

> of aspergillosis or other positive IgE fungal tests, there are

> probably one thousand people hospitalized for bacterial infections

> whose root cause is the (non testable) mycotoxin damage to the

lungs

> and upper respiratory system, which made them incapable of fighting

> off the assault of bacterial exposures that we all encounter, on a

> daily basis, every time we are around someone who coughs or sneezes.

>

> This ROOT cause remains invisible, in the medical records. None of

> these medical morons ever said, to my dad: " why do you think you

are

> back in the hospital, every 6 to 8 weeks, for similar lung

> infections? " The medical profession never concerns itself with ROOT

> causes. They only focus on the acute symptoms that are visible upon

> physical examination. I doubt if that medical " short-sightedness "

> will ever change, in my lifetime.

>

> Joe

>

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