Guest guest Posted April 26, 2008 Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 hust wondering, does anyone know if DR. SHOEMAKER and DR. CROFT has worked together on any cases? WILLIAM A. CROFT,MEDICAL PATHOLOGEST http://str8talk.wordpress.com/2008/01/28/toxic-mold-show/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2008 Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 thrasher would be able to answert that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2008 Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 It was my understanding that he has both a DVM and a PHd in human pathology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 Angel, if there's something your not saying just say it. there appears to be info. under a " william a. croft,medical pathologest " if theres some fogginess about it, let's get it cleared up. people need to know facts. things are hard enough. In , ntefusa@... wrote: > > thrasher would be able to answert that > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 I have interviews with Dr Croft on my website, its divided into 5 or 10 minute segments from WBEN near Buffalo. He spoke about body indicators of mold invasion. libertyschoolmold.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 I know Dr Rae of Dallas used to use Dr Croft to do pathology work but has switched to Dr Hooper, who is down in Texas near him and in the same complex of office buildings. I know he started out in life as a vet, but know he took further education in human pathology. Perhaps he became interested in mold in finding fungal infection and toxic conditions in animals and led him in this direction. I can't imagine that dog tissue would be any different than human in respects to succuming to toxic effects of mold, or much different. Afterall most of all knowledge of medical science comes from studies on rats. > > hust wondering, does anyone know if DR. SHOEMAKER and DR. CROFT has > worked together on any cases? > WILLIAM A. CROFT,MEDICAL PATHOLOGEST > > http://str8talk.wordpress.com/2008/01/28/toxic-mold-show/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 This is his own description of his background on the website of his diagnostic company: http://www.edgi.org/m_21.asp?pa=m_21 > > hust wondering, does anyone know if DR. SHOEMAKER and DR. CROFT has > worked together on any cases? > WILLIAM A. CROFT,MEDICAL PATHOLOGEST > > http://str8talk.wordpress.com/2008/01/28/toxic-mold-show/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 It IS true that Dr. Croft has a degree in veterinary medicine (DVM) and he is not an M.D. In addition, he has a second doctorate in Medical Pathology from University of Wisconsin, Madison, which means that he actually has MORE experience in human pathology than most M.D.s. I'm not sure how much the program has changed in the decades since he earned his Ph.D. in Medical Pathology, but this link is to the program which seems to my uneducated eye to be the current version of the program: http://www.pathology.wisc.edu/gradprogram/mission.aspx . You can look it up for yourself, the Mission of this program is: To train students for careers as independent investigators and teachers with a focus on basic cellular and molecular mechanisms of human disease. Training in veterinary medicine means that scientists can do research in vivo (not just in vitro) to study the animal systems most similar to human ones since testing poisons on humans is illegal. You'll also note that Public Law 107-188 actually elevates individuals with his training above M.D.s who do not have this level of training and experience with in vivo pathology with respect to declaring public health emergencies in the case of poisoning and potential bioterrorism. Each of these men of science, albeit Croft, Thrasher, Hooper, Shoemaker, Kilburn, Crago, Gray, , Johanning, Markovich, Strauss, Lipsey, Rhea or any of the other researchers in fungus and the effects on human health, deserve our gratitude for sticking their necks out to further the cause of getting medical treatment for those injured. We need not try to pit one against the other with innuendo as they have a whole host of naysayers and critics on the other side that would love to discredit them and their research. If someone needs the services of one of these men, TALK to them, ask them what they do and YOU and/or your lawyer decide how their services can fit into your situation. They don't all do the same thing but they all have gone above & beyond to help advance the science of mold effects on human health and for this, I am grateful for each & every one of them. > > > > thrasher would be able to answert that > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 I second everything you said. Thanks for stating this so well. They all are very important, and I appreciate them all. >> Each of these men of science, albeit Croft, Thrasher, Hooper, > Shoemaker, Kilburn, Crago, Gray, , Johanning, Markovich, > Strauss, Lipsey, Rhea or any of the other researchers in fungus and > the effects on human health, deserve our gratitude for sticking their > necks out to further the cause of getting medical treatment for those > injured. We need not try to pit one against the other with innuendo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 I tried posting this before but somehow it didn't go thru but yes Dr. Croft is a DVM and also has a PhD. Why all the confusion with what he is? It clearly states in his speach " Pathology of Tricothecene Mycotoxins in Man " at the 21st Annual International Symposium on The stages of mycotoxicosis: for inhalation of mycotoxin that he is a DVM with a PhD. Hope this clears up the confusion. > > > > > > thrasher would be able to answert that > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 I suggest that you ask Dr. Croft what he means by vapor. Mycotoxins are not very volatile. The odors that you detect are most likely volatile organic compounds released by both bacteria and molds that are present in damp indoor spaces. Jack-Dwayne: Thrasher, Ph.D. Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist www.drthrasher.org toxicologist1@... Off: 916-745-4703 Cell: 575-937-1150 L. Crawley, M.ED., LADC Trauma Specialist sandracrawley@... 916-745-4703 - Off 775-309-3994 - Cell This message and any attachments forwarded with it is to be considered privileged and confidential. The forwarding or redistribution of this message (and any attachments) without my prior written consent is strictly prohibited and may violate privacy laws. Once the intended purpose of this message has been served, please destroy the original message contents. If you have received this message in error, please reply immediately to advise the sender of the miscommunication and then delete the message and any copies you have printed. Thank you in advance for your compliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Diane, I think someone (Dr Thrasher) already answered this. VOCs are what would be smelled because they are " volatile, " easily airborne. Mycotoxins are not volatile, not easily airborne. So I don't know what Dr Croft meant by " vapors. " Dogs smell the VOCs. When mold dogs are trained using known molds they are being trained to respond to the microbial VOCs. I assume there are other " smells " associated with mold spores, hyphae and other growth components and maybe mycotoxins are included in that list. But they would not be primary. Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC ----- I was wondering if any of you listened to the interview with Dr. Croft about mycotoxicosis that posted last week. I had a question about something he said about mycotoxins being a " vapor. " I have always said that I could smell the toxins in my home and on my body and was told that mycotoxins had no smell. My golden retreiver could actually detect the same smell on my hands. (I can too) May I ask, what is Dr. Croft referring to when he is talking about the " vapor " and mycotoxins? Anyone? Thanking you in advance. Diane Bolton ---------- The following section of this message contains a file attachment prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format. If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any other MIME-compliant system, you should be able to save it or view it from within your mailer. If you cannot, please ask your system administrator for assistance. ---- File information ----------- File: DEFAULT.BMP Date: 16 Jun 2009, 0:10 Size: 358 bytes. Type: Unknown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 --- Thank you to both of you for answering. Diane In , " Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@...> wrote: > > Diane, > > I think someone (Dr Thrasher) already answered this. VOCs are > what would be smelled because they are " volatile, " easily > airborne. Mycotoxins are not volatile, not easily airborne. So I > don't know what Dr Croft meant by " vapors. " > > Dogs smell the VOCs. When mold dogs are trained using known > molds they are being trained to respond to the microbial VOCs. I > assume there are other " smells " associated with mold spores, > hyphae and other growth components and maybe mycotoxins are > included in that list. But they would not be primary. > > Carl Grimes > Healthy Habitats LLC > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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