Guest guest Posted July 31, 2000 Report Share Posted July 31, 2000 The 250 - 300 GLUCOPROTEIN is good. Glucoprotein does NOT = Glucose. Re: Re: In Charge Meter > >Star Ship > >You wrote: > >> I just started using the In Charge meter almost a >> month ago. The glucoprotien test (like the Hba1c >> test) is displayed in the following increments: >> < 300 Good Control >> 300 to 400 Intermediate Control >> >400 Poor Control >> I'm not sure how these correlate with the Hba1c >> readings of the percentages. >> If anyone else has an equivalency chart, let me know! > >You don't really need to KNOW any more than that, Star Ship! > >If your readings are below 300 and stay there then you can take it that >you have good control. > >There is no such thing as " better-than-good " control or > " good-but-could-be-even-better " control - but what is good control and what >is poor control is an arbitrary decision, anyway (there is no threshold - >that is why they had to have an " intermediate " range). The measurement >does not give a precision laboratory result and any attempt to interpret >the result as if it did will only bring you frustration and unhappiness. > >All you need to know is that if your Glucoprotein readings start to wander >from " good " control through " intermediate " control into " poor " control then >it is time to contact your physician and have a laboratory test made. > >There is no direct fine correlation between laboratory HbA1c readings and >InCharge meter Glucoprotein readings. They express two different >physiological effects with two significantly different accuracies over >significantly different time periods. The HbA1c test relates to mean serum >glucose concentration over the previous two to three months, about >two-thirds of which is laid-up in the preceding month and about the other >third in the month before that, with only a very small fraction from three >months ago. Similarly, the Glucoprotein reading is related to your mean >capillary blood glucose concentration in the previous two to three weeks, >about two-thirds of which is laid-up in the preceding week and about the >other third in the week before that, with only a very small fraction from >three weeks ago. > >So even if your metabolism was completely stabilized for months and if >the Glucoprotein test was just as accurate as the HbA1c test, then you >are still comparing the mean serum glucose concentration of the month >before the HbA1c test with the mean capillary glucose concentration of >the week before the Glucoprotein test. > >You will probably recognize immediately that the Catch 22 aspect is that >if your metabolism really is as stabilized as that and if you really do >already have good control so that you can get some half-way reliable >information from the readings, under those conditions you don't in fact >NEED the Glucoprotein test at all! > >On the other hand, if your metabolism is all to hell and your control badly >needs improvement and you therefore desperately need the Glucoprotein >reading to see how you are progressing then that is the very time that the >relationship between the two measurements is the least reliable! > >In fact, however, an accuracy of only +/-10% is claimed for the Glucoprotein >measurements - provided, of course, that you make them exactly as instructed >(read the meter manual AND the test strip package insert carefully and do >the recommended meter maintenance and store the test strips as recommended!) >so your Glucoprotein readings will vary considerably from week to week even >if your mean serum glucose concentration was rock steady over the period of >interest, which is very unlikely. > >That, Star Ship, is why you would be wise to use the InCharge meter to warn >you of a possible deterioration of your control from " good " to " poor " or of >a hoped-for improvement from " poor " to " good " and for NOTHING ELSE whatever. > >Trying to correlate weekly Glucoprotein readings with your 3-monthly HbA1c >results and drawing conclusions from them is much like a farmer relying on a >barometer hanging on his living room wall to decide whether to harvest his >wheat today or wait another week and hope the weather doesn't change >instead of trusting the professional short-term weather predictions. > >My HbA1c results have improved steadily over the last few months but my >Glucoprotein readings have been all over the " good " control range, from one >extreme to the other and back again, in the same period. > >Regards > > Thornton >Pforzheim, Germany > > > > > > > > >Public website for Diabetes International: >http://www.msteri.com/diabetes-info/diabetes_int > > > > > > > > > > >Public website for Diabetes International: >http://www.msteri.com/diabetes-info/diabetes_int > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2000 Report Share Posted July 31, 2000 I see Sammy's point though. Glucoprotein of 300, by their own figures, correlates to an A1c of about 7.3. If my A1c were 7.3, I'd be very upset. My goal is 6.0 or below. So, to many of us 300 glucoprotein is not good. Re: Re: In Charge Meter > >Star Ship > >You wrote: > >> I just started using the In Charge meter almost a >> month ago. The glucoprotien test (like the Hba1c >> test) is displayed in the following increments: >> < 300 Good Control >> 300 to 400 Intermediate Control >> >400 Poor Control >> I'm not sure how these correlate with the Hba1c >> readings of the percentages. >> If anyone else has an equivalency chart, let me know! > >You don't really need to KNOW any more than that, Star Ship! > >If your readings are below 300 and stay there then you can take it that >you have good control. > >There is no such thing as " better-than-good " control or > " good-but-could-be-even-better " control - but what is good control and what >is poor control is an arbitrary decision, anyway (there is no threshold - >that is why they had to have an " intermediate " range). The measurement >does not give a precision laboratory result and any attempt to interpret >the result as if it did will only bring you frustration and unhappiness. > >All you need to know is that if your Glucoprotein readings start to wander >from " good " control through " intermediate " control into " poor " control then >it is time to contact your physician and have a laboratory test made. > >There is no direct fine correlation between laboratory HbA1c readings and >InCharge meter Glucoprotein readings. They express two different >physiological effects with two significantly different accuracies over >significantly different time periods. The HbA1c test relates to mean serum >glucose concentration over the previous two to three months, about >two-thirds of which is laid-up in the preceding month and about the other >third in the month before that, with only a very small fraction from three >months ago. Similarly, the Glucoprotein reading is related to your mean >capillary blood glucose concentration in the previous two to three weeks, >about two-thirds of which is laid-up in the preceding week and about the >other third in the week before that, with only a very small fraction from >three weeks ago. > >So even if your metabolism was completely stabilized for months and if >the Glucoprotein test was just as accurate as the HbA1c test, then you >are still comparing the mean serum glucose concentration of the month >before the HbA1c test with the mean capillary glucose concentration of >the week before the Glucoprotein test. > >You will probably recognize immediately that the Catch 22 aspect is that >if your metabolism really is as stabilized as that and if you really do >already have good control so that you can get some half-way reliable >information from the readings, under those conditions you don't in fact >NEED the Glucoprotein test at all! > >On the other hand, if your metabolism is all to hell and your control badly >needs improvement and you therefore desperately need the Glucoprotein >reading to see how you are progressing then that is the very time that the >relationship between the two measurements is the least reliable! > >In fact, however, an accuracy of only +/-10% is claimed for the Glucoprotein >measurements - provided, of course, that you make them exactly as instructed >(read the meter manual AND the test strip package insert carefully and do >the recommended meter maintenance and store the test strips as recommended!) >so your Glucoprotein readings will vary considerably from week to week even >if your mean serum glucose concentration was rock steady over the period of >interest, which is very unlikely. > >That, Star Ship, is why you would be wise to use the InCharge meter to warn >you of a possible deterioration of your control from " good " to " poor " or of >a hoped-for improvement from " poor " to " good " and for NOTHING ELSE whatever. > >Trying to correlate weekly Glucoprotein readings with your 3-monthly HbA1c >results and drawing conclusions from them is much like a farmer relying on a >barometer hanging on his living room wall to decide whether to harvest his >wheat today or wait another week and hope the weather doesn't change >instead of trusting the professional short-term weather predictions. > >My HbA1c results have improved steadily over the last few months but my >Glucoprotein readings have been all over the " good " control range, from one >extreme to the other and back again, in the same period. > >Regards > > Thornton >Pforzheim, Germany > > > > > > > > >Public website for Diabetes International: >http://www.msteri.com/diabetes-info/diabetes_int > > > > > > > > > > >Public website for Diabetes International: >http://www.msteri.com/diabetes-info/diabetes_int > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Public website for Diabetes International: http://www.msteri.com/diabetes-info/diabetes_int Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2000 Report Share Posted August 29, 2000 wrote: << I am thinking about buying a At Last. ) >> Here's a meter worth considering as well ... Glucometer Elite: http://www.mendosa.com/meters.htm (Rick Mendosa's excellent overview of glucose meters!) http://www.glucometerelitexl.com/ (the manufacturer's web site) http://www.advantagerx.com/gl-elite.htm (Advantage Health Svcs.) http://www.hocks.net/Glucometer-Elite-ayax.htm (Hock's Pharmacy Online) http://www.healthproductswh.com/hpw/ind.html (Health Products Warehouse ... 'nuff said) http://www.libertymedical.com/ (Liberty Medical Supply) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2000 Report Share Posted August 29, 2000 I talked to LXN on the phone this morning, and if the blood sample is two small, it will give a low reading. They walked me through this, this morning and I got a reading of 236 (108) which mirrors my A1C. The strips can be ordered VIA Diabetic Express, 800-338 4656, or they have a web site. Sammy J Shuford Starship@... -- Married 26 years and loving every minute! -- It is easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them. -- Re: In Charge Meter > Sammy, > > << Why am I asking? My first glucoprotein results were 166. I know I have > good control, but if the charts are correct, this equates to a weekly average > of gloucose below 60mg/dl. I don't quite think its that low. >> > > I have been seriously contemplating purchasing a new meter. I have not been > happy with my InCharge at all! First of all, my average glucoprotien over a > month and a half was about 5.5 (or 230). When I go in for my Hba1c, it was > 6.3%. Quite a difference. > > Also, I have had sooooo many problems getting the test strips. The only > place I can find that carries them is Wal-Mart and they are currently > back-ordered and have been for two weeks. I am getting very, very low on my > supply of strips! It's a good thing the manufaturer sent me some just for > buying it! > > Then, another problem - just last week, I took my blood sugar, the result of > 51. I hadn't expected a reading so low, so I took it again. 135. Then > again - 119. I took it on my old machine and got a reading of 111 (about > what I had expected). I just wonder how accurate this machine is?!?!? > > I am thinking about buying a At Last. ) > > > > > Public website for Diabetes International: > http://www.msteri.com/diabetes-info/diabetes_int > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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