Re: T4 and calcium - also LDN

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This is the first time I'm writing anything on this site.In answer to ,I did not know this about Synthroid which I was on for about seven and a half years till April 2011 when I switched to Armour. The serious problems with my teeth (breaking, bridges falling out) started about 4 years after starting Synthroid. I did not make the connection because, unfortunately, I had also previously taken Fosamax for Osteoporosis and only found out that it was affecting my jaw bone (decalcifying it) the opposite of what it was supposed to do.So, yes, I believe my teeth (as well as my Osteoporosis which is mentioned in their information) have been negatively affected by the Synthroid.I am also on LDN (Naltrexone 4.5 mg). I joined this site to find out information from others taking both Armour and

LDN.Thanks.Daphne Subject: T4 and calciumTo: Thyroiditis Date: Sunday, July 1, 2012, 9:53 PM

I have another question. Has anyone who has been on Synthroid only for a good time experienced any problems with bones or teeth? Since Synthroid doesn't include calcitonin, I would think that there might be a long term problem with calcium.

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Hello Daphne,

Just a couple days ago, I had the back side of one of my incisors pop out. I

have also been experiencing what might be called bone pain (for lack of a better

term). Went to the eye doctor today. My eyes are fine but the nurse and I

talked. She had a family member who had to get off Synthroid because it was

causing all kinds of medical problems. She had to get off it herself because it

was causing pain in her bones that they couldn't identify. Logically this is

what I would consider happening without calcitonin but that is only a guess. no

way to prove it.

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Hi ,

Although Synthroid and other T4 pills are known to *not* work for some even many

Hashi patients, me included, most studies show that T4-only drugs are not

responsible for low bone density health and osteoporosis. Now if only mainstream

medicine would get a clue and give us sufficient dosages.

T4 made me crippled so I understand when you say it does not work for you.

T4-only drugs gave me many side-effects and caused me to be Dx'd with more new

diseases.

AS a reminder we should never take T4 or any thyroid med near the time we eat or

supplement with calcium or iron. Calcium and iron should not be consumed at the

same time either. All three of these substances counteract the others meaning

none will be absorbed properly in the body when taken close to one another.

The lack of calcitonin in Synthroid or any thyroid med is not related to calcium

problems or bone or teeth problems. A bone problem is most likely caused from

low magnesium and low vitamin D. The research shows that when calcium, magnesium

and vitamin D are NOT kept in balance (mostly from low magesium and/or vitamin

D) for a long period the result is very poor bone health even osteoporosis.

Calcitonin is a protein-like hormone produced by the thyroid gland. The body

produces calcitonin when we have high levels of calcium in our blood. Calcitonin

lowers blood calcium levels in two ways. First, it prevents the action of cells

that break down old bone cells, a process that releases calcium into the

bloodstream. Second, it encourages cells that lay down new bone, which takes

calcium out of the blood.

I think you are putting way too much weight on calcitonin, as the body can

function effectively without it. For example, most if not all people without

thyroid glands don't need calcitonin supplementation. Calcitonin in NDT probably

isn't of any real value because it becomes inactive when it hits the digestive

system.

Calcitonin should *not* be taken by mouth; any supplementation must be by an

injection or by using a nasal spray. If you are concerned you can ask your

doctor for a blood test to check your level. Some labs call it thyrocalcitonin.

The only way I learned is to read all I can about the thyroid and its functions.

One place is PubMed, it has lots of studies with free abstracts.

To wellness,

~Bj

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Good information Daphne.

Whether the calcitonin has a part in anything I said is really unknown at this

time. All I can say is that others I have talked to have experienced bone

related problems (not osteoporosis since that was unknown) which were more

symptoms which went away when Snythroid was stopped for a real thyroid

substitute. At this point, I don't know that anyone knows what causes the " bone

pain " sensation. As for the iron and calcium not being taken with thyroid meds,

this I know. In fact, multi-vitamins actually have a lot of things in them

which counter act many of the other things in them. Seems a little useless when

you find out things like this. Can't take Vitamin-C with Iodine either. Turns

the elemental Iodine in Iodide. You need both. Many of the pills I take are

now spread out over the day (I take different pills 4 times a day). I fit the

Iodine and thyroid meds in between these times to prevent conflicts. I finally

have an appointment with an Endo doctor but couldn't get to see him for a month

(moving his office and I guess he is going on vacation). I am hoping that the

doctor can make sense of things and give me Armour to see if the more complete

medication (T4, T3, T2, T1,calcitonin) will make a difference. The first

records I have of TSH go back to 2003. I was having problems then but not

enough since I was just on the edge. Didn't know then what I know now.

Probably was having problems a long time before I started getting regular blood

tests. Just were not enough symptoms to indicate a problem. That is probably

the way this sneaks up on people. Fatigue is just considered being overworked or

not getting enough sleep when it is really a problem that can be fixed. Live

and learn.

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doesn't include calcitonin, I would think that there might be a long term

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