Re: Shoemakers mold protocol seems to be working better POST Cutler protocol

[Guest guest]

Hi, you took DMPS or DMSA? I'm confused from your post.

I wonder where Boyd Haley's chelator is at. I will inquire again today.

>

> The recent round of csm initailly knocked my on my butt for the first 8

> hours..(sorry for long history, but I think the long road I ened up

> taking to dealing with the mold, was necessary to get my body to the

> point where it could deal with the mold, or maybe mold was one of the

> last toxins left)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jill

Sorry i know the post was rambling. To clarify dmps and dmsa are

mercury chelators that Cutler protocol recommends as only thing that

gets mercury/heavy metals out of your body. I have been heavy metal

chelating for 6 months and just went back to clear up other toxins

(mold) that i know are a part of my overall illness

I saw in the links/file section that ALA (alpha lipoic acid) is a

suggested treatment for mold//sick building. I have been on ALA for 3

months as Cutler protocol says this si the only thing that removes

brain mercury

so last night when i started the CSM, I had bad herxing in head, face

was burning, top of head was on fire..so I started back in on a " round "

of heavy metal chelation (dmps and ALA)

I am still on the CSM today and things seem much better..nt as good as

before I started CSM, but better than the first 4 hours of csm

>

> Hi, you took DMPS or DMSA? I'm confused from your post.

> I wonder where Boyd Haley's chelator is at. I will inquire again

today.

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for taking the time to let us know what you've been doing? I hope you

continue to get well and keep us informed of your progress. Have you had thyroid

and adrenal tests? Is your doctor monitoring you for all the protocols you are

doing?

Thanks, Sam

> The recent round of csm initailly knocked my on my butt for

> the first 8 hours

[Guest guest]

Hi Sam

yes you need a dr for the adrenal and thyroid treatments

which are recommended treatments per Cutler

ALA and DMsa you do not need a prescription for but most alternative

care pratitioners (ie nutrionists) recommend ALA which Cutler says

should not be taken until you have your fillings out

dmps you need a dr's prescription for

Of course no/very few dr's believe in mercury poisoning never mind

understand how to treat it...as is the case with adrenals/thyroid and

I am sure the same is for mold

Shoemakers protocol you need to have a prescription for. I sense you

are a doctor

> > The recent round of csm initailly knocked my on my butt for

> > the first 8 hours

>

[Guest guest]

, Can I ask a couple questions about your treatments b/c I

have so many of the same symptoms as you do:

1) How were you able to raise your basal metabolic temp.?

Armour Thyroid 60 mg hasn't budged mine!

2)How did you come up w/your Adrenal Tx. protocol & what were your

doses of hydrocortisone & DHEA? Did you have rx for the

hydrocortisone or did you order on your own?

3) You said your gut was really messed up--what were your symptoms

there?

4) How did you know you had liver flukes?

Hope you don't mind all the questions; my body is as messed up as

yours! Glad you're doing better; you sure did hit all the areas in

distress, quite systematicaly, I must say!

Hugs, Chery;

The last 2.50 years have been progressively worse (could not get rid

of liver flukes), severe head fog, adrenal crashed, thyroid problems

and on and on. Gut was very bad messed up due to canadida, fungals,

mercury and parasites, Fatigue, brain fog, mult chem sensitivities

drove me to the point where I was suicidal

3 weeks ago, (after treating adrenals for almost 5 months with

Hydrocortisone, DHEA, pregnenolone and siberian ginseng); I began to

treat thyroids with 's temperatiure syndrome protocol (T3 to

raise temperature). It has reaised my temperature. MY NP Dr says that

raising the cellular temp to approx 98.6 is critical in throwing of

toxins and getting you bodies metabolism to the point where it can

help get rid of the " gunk " in your body. I began to feel better. many

experts say you have to treat adrenals first

[Guest guest]

>

> , Can I ask a couple questions about your treatments b/c I

> have so many of the same symptoms as you do:

> 1) How were you able to raise your basal metabolic temp.?

> Armour Thyroid 60 mg hasn't budged mine!

> 2)How did you come up w/your Adrenal Tx. protocol & what were your

> doses of hydrocortisone & DHEA? Did you have rx for the

> hydrocortisone or did you order on your own?

> 3) You said your gut was really messed up--what were your symptoms

> there?

> 4) How did you know you had liver flukes?

>

> Hope you don't mind all the questions; my body is as messed up as

> yours! Glad you're doing better; you sure did hit all the areas

in

> distress, quite systematicaly, I must say!

> Hugs, Chery;

> Hi once again I apologize for not always postinng, but I do run

thru and touch base so to speak. I have to throw my 2 cents in on

thisone because of the Detox part. I have seen a friend of my

husband on several occasions ( mostly when I am really sick ) He

has put me on a whole body detox twice, which seems to work as long

as I am not reexposed ( had to move contaminated personal belonging

into the garage of my now husband)since I have detoxed with his

regimne to include homepathic teraain back up for adrenal, liver,

kidney etc I have Semi approved, this time I also did t and stilll

am on 35% food grade peroxide therapy and I have improved except to

the gut/bladder proble although it to has improve. At least the

brain fog and bloting have supside!!! Hope you guys try both a

detox and peroxide therapy. I would suggest somenone who is

educated in Chineese Medicine as our frien is, it taste bade

but it has worked better than any thing the medical model has had me

on and believe me there have beed plenty over this past year

(antifungals, antibiotic, ant parasite, anti anti, anti, my body

couldn't fight for otself any more!)) Good luck to all and once

again Thank you ALL......

>

> The last 2.50 years have been progressively worse (could not get

rid

> of liver flukes), severe head fog, adrenal crashed, thyroid

problems

> and on and on. Gut was very bad messed up due to canadida,

fungals,

> mercury and parasites, Fatigue, brain fog, mult chem sensitivities

> drove me to the point where I was suicidal

> 3 weeks ago, (after treating adrenals for almost 5 months with

> Hydrocortisone, DHEA, pregnenolone and siberian ginseng); I began

to

> treat thyroids with 's temperatiure syndrome protocol (T3

to

> raise temperature). It has reaised my temperature. MY NP Dr says

that

> raising the cellular temp to approx 98.6 is critical in throwing

of

> toxins and getting you bodies metabolism to the point where it

can

> help get rid of the " gunk " in your body. I began to feel better.

many

> experts say you have to treat adrenals first

>

[Guest guest]

Cheryl

sory for long post, hope it helps

WILSON TEMP SYNDROME

I have been following the temperature protocol at

(www.wtsmed.com) for about the past month..When my temps are

constantly above 98.60 I feel better. I had to travel home to see

family last week and the travel and lack of sleep was exhausting

and my temps collapsed a little (so I had to increase the T3's. I am

now at 67.5 mcgs per day and will hold this for I believe a week)

before dropping slowly (7.50 mcgs per day)

IMO this temp thing is key as our temps at 98.6 help us throw off

toxins (ie mold.lymes.heavy metals)

's whole theory is that you need to use T3 to get your temps up

Do not fully understand the why's but thats his mantra and they

medical profession put him in jail or took away his license so it

must work (F'ing Doctors)

ADRENAL TREATMENT

This was per Cutler (Andy Cutler-Amalgam Ilness book. I had tried

everything and finally lucked out by finding Cutler protocol

which basically says get your fillngs out/treat bodies deficiencies

and chelate

Body's deficiencies includes adrenal. His book strongly recommends

tretaing adrenals first as if you try to treat thyroid first, you

will worsen adrenals..So I treated adrenals for about 6 months

with HC (hydrocortisone 20 mgs a day); pregnenlone (50 mgs 3 times a

day) and 7 Keto Dhea 50 mgs 3 times a day) and more recently siberian

ginseng. I believe women have to take it easy on Dhea and maybe

pregnenolone as well. I could not handle regular DHEA as it

apparently is sulphur based or something

You really have to play around with dosage and timing. For instance I

seem to do better taking HC at night before I go to bed (It

eliminated night aches) and when i arise in the morning (10 mgs each

dosage). You should get your adrenals tested which measure

cortisone/dhea and sometimes your salivary IGA's

No I got a prescription for it from a nurse practioner in seattle

who is familiar with the Cutler protocol

Most dr's/health care practioners have not a clue how to treat

adrenals..want to use iscort etc..Cutler's protocol is amazing

It has literally saved my life, without a doubt

The forum which helps with implementing Cutlers protocol is below

frequent-dose-chelation/

There are 4-5 moderators who help with working through the protocol

GUT MESSED UP

yeast, parisites... malabsorption (which dr's do not attribute to

yeast/parasites)..these morons want to start cutting

I was 240 pounds about 2.5 years ago, then had the infestation of

parasites and went down to 200, then took bad protocol for health

(sulphur foods/cilantro )wwhich Cutler says mobilizes mercury and

went to 160..

I think the mult rounds of antibiotics completely screwed up my liver

and gut 3 years ago (lyme treatment)

Huggins says that yeast is the bodies defense to try and mop up the

mercury..I had gobs of fungus coming out of me for years until I had

my fillings out (like swamp scum). It took about 2 months post

amalgam removal for this to stop. My stomach can handle more foods

now and I don't end up seeing them twice if you know whatI mean

BUT I eat a very strict diet.no sugars. NO processed foods..limited

amount of tea... Only organic fruit; organic meat and poultry; and

organic veggies. I fall off the wagon at least once a week..sorbet,

bag o chips; slice of cheese but am pretty religious otherwise about

what I eat

mercury nmesses up your gut big time...I had problems digesting food,

likely due to low stomach acid. Cutler recommends enzymes,

Betaine HCL (hydrocloride acid suppls) biotin for yeast and chromium

picolinate for regulating blood sugar (I had pre diabetic blood sugar

levels even though I had cut out all sugars and fruits for almost a

year to help with yeast and bugs. Culer says (I belive) that mercury

messes up livers ability to process glucose or something like this so

your blood sugar is often high. I also take buffered vitamin C with

meals to help with digestion and bowel movements (especially on

Shoemakers protocol)

It also helped having an food allergy profile done which showed

allergies to milk/eggs and almonds and honey which I was using a lot

of.

LIVER FLUKES

I saw them in the toilet, gross as hell. I researched them on line

and found their pictures...they started to come out on a full moon.

Hiulda clark says they procreate on a full moon so let go of our

their eating stations (our intestines) stomach at this time..the

ultimate indignity

Would pick them out with rubber gloves and plastic spoons and send

them to the labs and nothing..was a complete waste. Labs are useless

like the medical profession in general with this off the radar stuff

Tried mult does of praziquantel which is supposed to nuke them...no

luck and this probably hurt my liver more...

tried hulda clarks protocol wormwood, etc no luck..they were still

there

ONLY after the last 2 months (post amalgam removal) have I not seen

them..Also my liver/gallbladder did a few dumps of these old dead

ones ,post amalgam removal which I hear is not uncommon after you

have had your fillings out

Good luck anything else feel free to ask...

IT was by the grace of god (any god I was praying to them all) that I

am making progress. still have a lot of fatigue and mental issues

(head fog/anxiety); but am now dealing with shoemakers stuff and plan

to get a rife machine and start ozoning soon. BUT Cutler's protocol

and the forum (frequent-dose chelation was key.

I had to stop Shoemakers cholestryamine/actos as my head was lifting

off But have restarted it along with more bowel support

Its a little better

OH and I forgot, am having my root canal removed and cavitation's

cleaned out. I firmly believe these toxins add to our burden. My

troot canal has ached at night (throbs like a tooth ache for the last

6 months)

> >

> > , Can I ask a couple questions about your treatments b/c

I

> > have so many of the same symptoms as you do:

> > 1) How were you able to raise your basal metabolic temp.?

> > Armour Thyroid 60 mg hasn't budged mine!

> > 2)How did you come up w/your Adrenal Tx. protocol & what were

your

> > doses of hydrocortisone & DHEA? Did you have rx for the

> > hydrocortisone or did you order on your own?

> > 3) You said your gut was really messed up--what were your

symptoms

> > there?

> > 4) How did you know you had liver flukes?

> >

> > Hope you don't mind all the questions; my body is as messed up as

> > yours! Glad you're doing better; you sure did hit all the areas

> in

> > distress, quite systematicaly, I must say!

> > Hugs, Chery;

> > Hi once again I apologize for not always postinng, but I do run

> thru and touch base so to speak. I have to throw my 2 cents in on

> thisone because of the Detox part. I have seen a friend of my

> husband on several occasions ( mostly when I am really sick ) He

> has put me on a whole body detox twice, which seems to work as long

> as I am not reexposed ( had to move contaminated personal

belonging

> into the garage of my now husband)since I have detoxed with his

> regimne to include homepathic teraain back up for adrenal, liver,

> kidney etc I have Semi approved, this time I also did t and stilll

> am on 35% food grade peroxide therapy and I have improved except to

> the gut/bladder proble although it to has improve. At least the

> brain fog and bloting have supside!!! Hope you guys try both a

> detox and peroxide therapy. I would suggest somenone who is

> educated in Chineese Medicine as our frien is, it taste bade

> but it has worked better than any thing the medical model has had

me

> on and believe me there have beed plenty over this past year

> (antifungals, antibiotic, ant parasite, anti anti, anti, my body

> couldn't fight for otself any more!)) Good luck to all and once

> again Thank you ALL......

>

>

> >

> > The last 2.50 years have been progressively worse (could not get

> rid

> > of liver flukes), severe head fog, adrenal crashed, thyroid

> problems

> > and on and on. Gut was very bad messed up due to canadida,

> fungals,

> > mercury and parasites, Fatigue, brain fog, mult chem

sensitivities

> > drove me to the point where I was suicidal

> > 3 weeks ago, (after treating adrenals for almost 5 months with

> > Hydrocortisone, DHEA, pregnenolone and siberian ginseng); I

began

> to

> > treat thyroids with 's temperatiure syndrome protocol (T3

> to

> > raise temperature). It has reaised my temperature. MY NP Dr says

> that

> > raising the cellular temp to approx 98.6 is critical in throwing

> of

> > toxins and getting you bodies metabolism to the point where it

> can

> > help get rid of the " gunk " in your body. I began to feel better.

> many

> > experts say you have to treat adrenals first

> >

>