(Re:) Non Vaccinated Autistic Child ? / scd , anyone?

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Here's my thoughts on that. Autism is caused by lack of oxygen to the brain which is caused by pathogens and toxins. I have seen many report that they feel women give their fetuses 2/3's of their toxic burden and most definitely give them pathogens, including from vaccines the mother received in her life-time. I have seen many report they have autism without vaccines, not as many, but it does happen due to the reasons I just mentioned. Lyme disease and mold toxins are highly recommended to look into when this happens. Also consider wireless gadgetry and electrosmog. Pesticides, mercury from factories, dental fillings the mother has, etc. all come into play. These all debilitate detoxing and cause pathogens to grow. Lyme testing is difficult, and one needs to kill the lyme for a couple of months first and then test at a good company, like Igenex. The reason lyme stands out is that it damages the immune system and causes lack of oxygen to the brain and brain swelling. Thus, comparatively to other pathogens, its bad. There is an epidemic of lyme disease right now, right along with the autism epidemic. It appears that most of the children tesing positive for it, got it from their mothers, who are not yet showing symptoms from it. The mothers may have gotten it from their mothers or from sex. You can be a carrier and never show obvious symptoms or you can die from it. It effects everyone different depending upon lots of things.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

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> > > > >

> > > > > Hi , Awesome! You're an inspiration. I'm going to print

> > > this

> > > > > out and give it to my wife, so she can make it through the

> next

> > > > week.

> > > > > --penumbra

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > Is there anyone with a child that is

> > > > > non vaccinated with autism-like

> > > > > symptoms on this message group ?

> > > > > My child (both children) were born

> > > > > completely and totally naturally,

> > > > > with a non hospital traditional

> > > > > midwife, they have never had any

> > > > > vaccinations or immunizations or

> > > > > shots or medicines of ANY KIND.

> > > > > In fact my youngest daughter, was

> > > > > born at home in my own bedroom !

> > > > > I made the decision before ever having

> > > > > children that they would not have any

> > > > > vaccinations or immunizations, over my

> > > > > dead body - would that EVER happen.

> > > > >

> > > > > and YET, I still have 1 of my 2

> > > > > children with autism, non verbal,

> > > > > non toilet trained, gut issues,

> > > > > mushy stools, seizure disorder(mild myoclonic)

> > > > > usually upon awakening

> > > > > from a nap. and some big fever related ones too.

> > > > > The other (younger) child,Pure Genius, No problem!

> > > > >

> > > > > I know a child may have been teeter tottering

> > > > > on the edge of a health issue, and then with

> > > > > the immunizations it was too much too

> > > > > handle and they went overboard. Not in My case,

> > > > > though....

> > > > > I know it is more rare although.... I would be

> > > > > interested in knowing,

> > > > > if anyone has NOT had any immunizations and

> > > > > still have autsim. ?

> > > > >

> > > > > BTW/ My daughter has been on the SCD Diet and

> > > > > for only a week) and

> > > > > getting results.... !!!! Any one else's child

> > > > > or self on SCD?

> > > > > (Specific Carbohydrate diet, Elaine Gottschall)

> > > > > So far I am happy

> > > > > I made the decison.... If it gets results....

> > > > > that's what counts!

> > > > > so far, it rocks!

> > > > > Peace and blessings, ~

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Hi ,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Awesome! You're an inspiration. I'm going to print this

> out

> > > and

> > > > > give

> > > > > > it to my wife, so she can make it through the next week.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --penumbra

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Our son with autism is now 12 years old. I started

> > > > chelation

> > > > > > > (off and on) when he was 5 years old. Lots and lots and

> > lots

> > > > of

> > > > > > > prayer. We also did VB when he was 4 years old for a

> > couple

> > > of

> > > > > > years

> > > > > > > along with some supplements. Started HBOT and more

> > > consistent

> > > > > > > chelation about three years ago. He is doing awesome. We

> > > have

> > > > > come

> > > > > > > a long way since he was non-verbal, laying on the floor

> > > having

> > > > > > > meltdowns. God has really blessed us. It's cost a small

> > > > fortune

> > > > > > and

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

Caryn, I have a 4yr old boy who has autism and he has not been

vaccinated,But what my son did have when he was born was a infection

which was treated with intra muscular injections in his legs of a very

powerful antibiotic gentamycin, I are a firm believer that this is

what caused my sons autism this antibiotic and other in this class is

also a ingredient in the vaccinations that children receive.Caryn has

your son ever been on antibiotics?

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I'm a little late, but yes, I have a completely non-vaxed son with autism.

He was developing normally until about 12 mos, developed what seemed to be a 24 hour stomach virus, and went down from there. Immediately following the virus, and for 6 mos thereafter, he would only eat babyfood, and is still a picky eater with oral sensory issues, whereas before he had begun to eat table food and wasn't picky.

He also lost his language, started stimming, seemed to be in his own world. Well, you know how this goes.

I also have a much older son, also with autism, who was vaxed. However, my recollection of what triggered the autism is much the same.

KimHi , Awesome! You're an inspiration. I'm going to print this out and give it to my wife, so she can make it through the next week.--penumbra>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Is there anyone with a child that is non vaccinated with autism-likesymptoms on this message group ? My child (both children) were borncompletely and totally naturally, with a non hospital traditionalmidwife, they have never had any vaccinations or immunizations or shots or medicines of ANY KIND. In fact my youngest daughter, was born at home in my own bedroom !I made the decision before ever havingchildren that they would not have anyvaccinations or immunizations, over mydead body -

would that EVER happen.and YET, I still have 1 of my 2children with autism, non verbal, non toilet trained, gut issues,mushy stools, seizure disorder(mild myoclonic)usually upon awakeningfrom a nap. and some big fever related ones too.The other (younger) child,Pure Genius, No problem!I know a child may have been teeter totteringon the edge of a health issue, and then withthe immunizations it was too much toohandle and they went overboard. Not in My case,though....I know it is more rare although.... I would beinterested in knowing,if anyone has NOT had any immunizations and still have autsim. ?BTW/ My daughter has been on the SCD Diet andfor only a week) andgetting results.... !!!! Any one else's childor self on SCD?(Specific Carbohydrate diet, Elaine Gottschall)So far I am happyI made the decison.... If it gets results....that's what counts!so

far, it rocks!Peace and blessings, ~> Hi ,> > Awesome! You're an inspiration. I'm going to print this out and give > it to my wife, so she can make it through the next week.> > --penumbra> > > > Our son with autism is now 12 years old. I started chelation > > (off and on) when he was 5 years old. Lots and lots and lots of > > prayer. We also did VB when he was 4 years old for a couple of > years > > along with some supplements. Started HBOT and more consistent > > chelation about three years ago. He is doing awesome. We have come > > a long way since he was non-verbal, laying on the floor having > > meltdowns. God has really blessed us. It's cost a small fortune > and>

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I have a friend who has two autistic children as well. First one vaccinated -- second one not. The second showed the same GI disease as the first without receiving the MMR. Dr. Krigsman has found that the same damaged GI tissue from the measles in the unvaccinated child as the vaccinated child. Appears that the virus is travelling from the vaccinated child to the unvaccinated child (maybe via bath water?). Krigsman has confirmed this is in several set of siblings. Gave the evidence and information to the CDC. Someone else on this list recently posted that their vaccinated child shed another virus in the bath water to the unvaccinated sibling conferring immunity to something she had never been vaccinated for (not sure which post). Vaccinations are probably the tipping point with most kids, but even our nonvaccinated population is exposed via siblings to many of these viruses injected into our children. Viral protocols should help these kids and hopefully, by not vaccinating, their immunity is better and their need for chelation is not as great since they did not receive all the heavy metals via vaccination. As far as SCD, Dr. Krigsman does put patients on SCD for the damaged gut from the measles. Wouldn't hurt to try SCD to heal the gut and would look at pulling titers to see what the nonvaccinated child has been exposed to virus-wise. High measles titers are helped by the Vitamin A protocol. Kay Berry

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hummm, that's interesting.  is krigsman finding the measles virus in the actual gut or is immunity inferred by titers?  my 4YO is a huge gut kid...more globally developmentally delayed versus autistic, but my NT 8 YO suffered a slow demise after his kindergarten shots and tomorrow i'll drive down to another GI to get the "diagnostic" low down...i doubt it will be useful, but i have to make the drive to get one friggin test result, what a pain.  but this doc was atleast creative and kept an open mind....www.healthydays.info.....what he is finding in a lot of these kids is lyme disease in the gut.  i know i passed that demon along...and even with 2 + lyme test every "dick and harry" (sorry...bartonella flaring) told me i didn't have lymes and that my illness had nothing to do with my kid or the cost of tea in china....wrong!

the MMR is a big complication with lymes as are so many of the other vaccines...so it is also very possible that parents are have the bacteria (klinghart says it's 100% kids and parents and other clinics are finding the same thing)....in my very small world (you know, we don't get out anymore) the MMR is brutally evil, but don't understimate the AL and other garbage in the vaccines and what's just lurking out there in terms of viruses etc in the environment.

so...i'm lymes +, my 4YO is waiting on the tests for my 8YO...but labs for lymes suck.  but this one is really interesting and i've included a20few video clips which speak for themselves. 

i just got my CD57 back...i'm at 15....tomorrow i learn about the boys.  lymes is one infection that sets the groundwork for disaster...vaccinated or unvaccinated and not enough docs are considering it.  one of the first symptons is often the gut.....so a simple labcorp test might give a few some good direction in terms of the "attack plan"....so hope it helps some...it might help more than "just some".

lisa

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lisa

THE CD-57 Striker Panel Test

 

http://www.healthcentersofamerica.com/information.cfm?id=144

Our ability to measure CD-57 counts represents a breakthrough in Chronic Lyme Disease treatment. It can be used to help determine how active the infection is, how well the treatment is working, and whether, after treatment ends, a relapse is likely to occur!

This is how it works: Chronic Lyme infections are known to suppress the immune system. The Lyme spirochete can affect all major cell types of the immune system, but it most clearly can impact a specific subset of the natural killer cells. This is called the CD-57 subset. Just as in HIV infection, which suppresses T-cell counts, Lyme suppresses Natural killer cell count such as CD57. As in HIV infection, where abnorm ally low T-cell counts are routinely used as20a marker of how active th

e infection is, in Lyme we can use the CD-57 count to indicate how active the Lyme infection is. When Lyme is active, the CD-57 count is suppressed. We currently are having our tests run by LabCorp because published research on this test was based on their methods. At this lab, the expected range for the CD 57 count is above 60. However, in the chronic Lyme patient, CD-57 counts are usually well below 60 and may be at risk with levels of 60-100.

This test can be run at the start of therapy, then every several months to document the effectiveness of treatment. One hopes to see a stable number or a rising trend over time. When antibiotic therapy is finally at an end, if the CD-57 count is not above 60, then a Lyme relapse is more likely to occur.

Test interpretation: Low CD57 occurs in chronic Lyme or when the disease has been active for over 1 year. A review of the affects of other infections, only Lyme spirochetes lowers the CD57. Following is the criteria established by research.

Test interpretation: Low CD57 occurs in chronic Lyme or when the disease has been active for over 1 year. The count reflects the degree of infection. It is not a diagnostic test but is used as a marker for Lyme being active. Test don e by LabCorp.

>200 is normal

< 20 severe illness0-60 is seen in chronic Lyme disease> 60 Lyme activity indicates improvement

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Wow. That's frightening.

Re: (Re:) Non Vaccinated Autistic Child ? / scd , anyone?

I have a friend who has two autistic children as well. First one vaccinated -- second one not. The second showed the same GI disease as the first without receiving the MMR. Dr. Krigsman has found that the same damaged GI tissue from the measles in the unvaccinated child as the vaccinated child. Appears that the virus is travelling from the vaccinated child to the unvaccinated child (maybe via bath water?). Krigsman has confirmed this is in several set of siblings. Gave the evidence and information to the CDC. Someone else on this list recently posted that their vaccinated child shed another virus in the bath water to the unvaccinated sibling conferring immunity to something she had never been vaccinated for (not sure which post). Vaccinations are probably the tipping point with most kids, but even our nonvaccinated population is exposed via siblings to many of these viruses injected into our children. Viral protocols should help these kids and hopefully, by not vaccinating, their immunity is better and their need for chelation is not as great since they did not receive all the heavy metals via vaccination. As far as SCD, Dr. Krigsman does put patients on SCD for the damaged gut from the measles. Wouldn't hurt to try SCD to heal the gut and would look at pulling titers to see what the nonvaccinated child has been exposed to virus-wise. High measles titers are helped by the Vitamin A protocol. Kay Berry

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it was me that posted my NT non vaccinated daughter has titers to mumps from my ASD vaccinated son. our NT daughter has some of the same medical issues our son does but is no where near spectrum, not even one delay, if you would like to contact me off group you are more then welcome to.

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Re: (Re:) Non Vaccinated Autistic Child ? / scd , anyone?

I have a friend who has two autistic children as well. First one vaccinated -- second one not. The second showed the same GI disease as the first without receiving the MMR. Dr. Krigsman has found that the same damaged GI tissue from the measles in the unvaccinated child as the vaccinated child. Appears that the virus is travelling from the vaccinated child to the unvaccinated child (maybe via bath water?). Krigsman has confirmed this is in several set of siblings. Gave the evidence and information to the CDC. Someone else on this list recently posted that their vaccinated child shed another virus in the bath water to the unvaccinated sibling conferring immunity to something she had never been vaccinated for (not sure which post). Vaccinations are probably the tipping point with most kids, but even our nonvaccinated population is exposed via siblings to many of these viruses injected into our children. Viral protocols should help these kids and hopefully, by not vaccinating, their immunity is better and their need for chelation is not as great since they did not receive all the heavy metals via vaccination. As far as SCD, Dr. Krigsman does put patients on SCD for the damaged gut from the measles. Wouldn't hurt to try SCD to heal the gut and would look at pulling titers to see what the nonvaccinated child has been exposed to virus-wise. High measles titers are helped by the Vitamin A protocol. Kay Berry

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Well I definately know I'm the common denominator, since my sons have different dads. I had thought it might be due to my many dental amalgams.

I never had the measles shot. I'm old enough to have had the actual measles! I'll have to check into getting us tested for these other viruses.

Kim

Subject: (Re:) Non Vaccinated Autistic Child ? / scd , anyone?To: mb12 valtrex Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 8:37 AM

When there are multiple children in a family with autism you can be pretty sure that they have an infection that they got from the mother congenitally. Explore lyme, bartonella, herpes testing for both mother and children. Measles and mumps can cause autism too, but those are usually caught from the vaccines.Caryn> > From: Kay Berry <lkwberry@.. .>> Subject: Re: (Re:) Non Vaccinated Autistic Child ? / scd , anyone?> To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com> Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 11:25 AM> > > > > > > > I have a friend who has two autistic children as well. First one vaccinated -- second one not. The second showed the same GI disease as the first without receiving the MMR. Dr. Krigsman has found that the same damaged GI

tissue from the measles in the unvaccinated child as the vaccinated child. Appears that the virus is travelling from the vaccinated child to the unvaccinated child (maybe via bath water?). Krigsman has confirmed this is in several set of siblings. Gave the evidence and information to the CDC. Someone else on this list recently posted that their vaccinated child shed another virus in the bath water to the unvaccinated sibling conferring immunity to something she had never been vaccinated for (not sure which post). Vaccinations are probably the tipping point with most kids, but even our nonvaccinated population is exposed via siblings to many of these viruses injected into our children. Viral protocols should help> these kids and hopefully, by not vaccinating, their immunity is better and their need for chelation is not as great since they

did not receive all the heavy metals via vaccination. As far as SCD, Dr. Krigsman does put patients on SCD for the damaged gut from the measles. Wouldn't hurt to try SCD to heal the gut and would look at pulling titers to see what the nonvaccinated child has been exposed to virus-wise. High measles titers are helped by the Vitamin A protocol. Kay Berry >