Re: Re: s Hopkins U, Mold Myths, Health Alert aka Litig...

[Guest guest]

KC,

I don't think we need another study. I think we need a lawsuit for fraud

and racketeering. We already have enough studies/depos/articles, etc. to show

the health and financial impact of the deception they are intentionally

promoting. I used to say that I thought it was fraudulent. I no longer feel

the

need for the disclaimer. IT IS FRAUDULENT. I have documentation to prove it.

Sharon K.

In a message dated 5/30/2008 9:39:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

tigerpaw2c@... writes:

In all seriousness I think we need a study concerning the health

effects, the loss of life inflicted by the stupidity of these " so-

called " experts. The stats I'm sure would be astronomical. I guess

some have a lower price (ethically that is)than others on selling

their soul to the highest bidder.

>

>

> And we wonder WHY people are not able to receive medical care for

these

> serious illnesses.

>

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_http://www.johnshopkinshealthalerts.com/reports/lung_disorders/2012-1.html_

(http://www.johnshopkinshealthalerts.com/reports/lung_disorders/2012-1.html)

The paper s Hopkins is referencing is the AAAAI mold position statement

of February 2006.

The five authors of that paper are:

Bush

Wood

Abba Terr

Saxon

Jay Portnoy

Below is the series of lies this is the newest one added, all wrapped up in

one tight little power point presentation that AIHA allowed to be presented

as science while teaching the IH's about mold induced illness. It is by

Hardin, co-author of the ACOEM mold statement..the original legitimizing

document.

_http://www.aiha.org/aihce07/handouts/rt213hardin.pdf_

(http://www.aiha.org/aihce07/handouts/rt213hardin.pdf)

Never mind that this litigation defense argument disguised as science has

been outed on the front page of the WSJ. Never mind that the Center for

Science in the Public Interest has written about how much money some of the

above

authors make when serving as defense witnesses. Never mind that AAAAI was

forced to run several letters of protest against this paper by knowledgeable

physicians. Over 100 voiced their objections. Never mind that AAAAI was forced

to change their disclosure policy because of this situation, or that one of

the authors, Dr. Portnoy, has spoken out against the paper as having an

agenda. Never mind that the EPA would not allow one of the authors of the

letters

protesting this paper to sign his own work in protest. Never mind that this

big lie was originally penned by defensors, legitimized by ACOEM and promoted

by the US Chamber of Commerce and a think-tank.

Is it just me, or has the world gone mad? Has it become acceptable to

promote hatred of the sick and deception by medical professionals for the sake

of

profit?

There comes a point when good men who stand silently by as evil flourishes

are no longer good men. Where is our government? I know the wheels turn

slowly, but academic fraud and racketeering is blatantly occurring over the

mold

issue that is harming the lives of thousands of US Citizens everyday 24/7.

ENOUGH!!!

Sharon K

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In a message dated 5/31/2008 11:40:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

salzberglver3@... writes:

IT IS FRAUDULENT.

What's stopping us from getting an intelligent disability lawyer to do

a class action suit? Why are we harassed /denied for our illness? We

didn't get to PICK the one that wasn't approved political list.

Good question. I could make a lawyer joke here as you have left the set up

for such a joke wide open....but I will refrain. It is really IS a good

question. Why don't the attorneys challenge this academic fraud before it

takes

hold in their individual cases?

Sharon

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[Guest guest]

I live less than an hr.from Hopkins and always thought that it was an

excellent hospital until about 3 yrs. ago. I personally know 3 people that have

gone to Hopkins with mold exposures and all have been told that Mold can't cause

their problems!! One was a young boy, another was a woman in her mid 40's

and another in her 30's that I worked with. One was given steroids and told

she could take them for life and that her rash must be hives. The young boy

was told they didn't know why his lips blistered /bleed and to try chapstick!!

All these patients finally found the right Dr. and have been diagnosed

correctly. I don't understand how a Dr. from any hospital especially one like

Hopkins can tell people mold can't cause the symptoms they have BUT they can't

tell them what does. They don't take the time to listen and find an answer.

Just take these pills and come back in a few months! It just makes me want to

scream and many of these Drs. think they are the worlds greatest thing since

bubble gum! I'd like to see one of them come down with this illness and see

what happens. My opinion of JHU has changed completely!

[Guest guest]

Most attorney's don't understand the nuances of exposure, let

alone those unique to mold. So they focus on the general

principles of personal injury and legal manuevering.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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> In a message dated 5/31/2008 11:40:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> salzberglver3@... writes:

>

> IT IS FRAUDULENT.

> What's stopping us from getting an intelligent disability lawyer to do

> a class action suit? Why are we harassed /denied for our illness? We

> didn't get to PICK the one that wasn't approved political list.

>

>

>

> Good question. I could make a lawyer joke here as you have left the set up

> for such a joke wide open....but I will refrain. It is really IS a good

> question. Why don't the attorneys challenge this academic fraud before it

takes

> hold in their individual cases?

>

> Sharon

>

>

>

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> Tyler Florence " on AOL Food.

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>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Carl: Hope all is well. This is exactly why attorneys hire experts that do

understand the nuances of exposures (i.e., never simply an exposure to a single

species of micro fungi) that are unique to such exposures (i.e., that is

precisely why genetics is taking center stage in litigation now.

Best, and take care.

Doug Haney

[Guest guest]

Carl,

You are exactly right. The mold plaintiff bar frustrates me to no end.

They call all the time looking for this document or that document. As a

general

rule, (not all, but the VAST majority) they don't take the time to

understand how all of these documents tie together. Nor could they unless they

were

willing to spend countless hours understanding how this whole deception that

these illnesses are not plausible is nothing more than a slick marketing

campaign, well oiled by industry money. I bet most of you on this board have

not

taken the time to understand how it really all works. You should!! I am not

really interested in their individual cases. I want them to win because

every victory helps to move the science forward. It drives me crazy that they

hold the keys in their hands and they don't take the time to learn it. I know

how hard it is for them. This is complex litigation. They get curve balls

thrown at them from all directions. But, C'mon! If you are going to do

something. Do it right. They have it within their fingers to knock out this

deceit once and for all, but by and large, they myopically look at their own

cases and don't team play well. There comes a point where one can no longer

complain that the other side is doing this. There comes a point where has to

look at what they are doing wrong that is allowing this to continue to happen.

Any of you who are currently in litigation, need to get your attorneys to

understand the heart of the deceit. I am tired of trying. Its like herding

cats. Shame on the plaintiff bar for not having an organized network that would

help us all to move the science forward.

Sharon K

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In a message dated 6/1/2008 2:43:03 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

jjaksic@... writes:

So, let me see if I understand this correctly. If, let's say, Mayo

Clinic even suspects it's a mold issue and knows they can treat it

with antifungal meds, they won't. Mainly because-- if the antifungal

medication works-- it proves it was a mold issue-- hence potential

lawsuits?

llaci

Yes. That is correct. Dr. Jens Ponikau and Dr. Sherris, the Mayo

ENT's that pioneered the research in fungal sinusitis are no longer affiliated

with the Mayo Clinic. They are now at SUNY.

Sharon K

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[Guest guest]

What helps me is the colloidal silver nasal spray. It is gentle and

doesn't sting, yet is effective.

Barth

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l> Without doing much research that's what doctors will prescribe:

l> antibiotics and then steroids. OR THEY WILL DENY THAT IT'S FUNGAL

l> BASED. Of course they could care less if you take steroids for life.

l> But if it's truly fungal sinusitis, it won't respond to it. What is

l> needed is an anti-fungal medication and a lot of experimenting.

l> llaci

[Guest guest]

Just out of curiosty, do we know why they left?

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Subject: Re: [] Re: s Hopkins U, Mold Myths, " Health Alert " aka

Litig...

Date: Sunday, June 1, 2008, 1:59 PM

In a message dated 6/1/2008 2:43:03 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

jjaksicbellsouth (DOT) net writes:

So, let me see if I understand this correctly. If, let's say, Mayo

Clinic even suspects it's a mold issue and knows they can treat it

with antifungal meds, they won't. Mainly because-- if the antifungal

medication works-- it proves it was a mold issue-- hence potential

lawsuits?

llaci

Yes. That is correct. Dr. Jens Ponikau and Dr. Sherris, the Mayo

ENT's that pioneered the research in fungal sinusitis are no longer affiliated

with the Mayo Clinic. They are now at SUNY.

Sharon K

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