Re: Testosterone/autism/sweating......

September 30, 2008

,

I talk about this a great deal on this yahoo group and other ones. The only effective way of treating autistics with high testosterone is by treating with lupron to reduce testosterone level and by chelating. In about 6 - 18 months, his body will produce glutathione.

Here's what has happened to your boy. Your boy has an genetic suceptability to mercury. Your boy was vaccinated multiple times with mercury-laced vaccines. Mercury knocked out your son's ability to produce glutathione. Glutathione protects the body's cells -- including brain cells. Without protection, mercury damages cells. Furthermore, high testosterone also damages cells. High testosterone also makes chelating less effective.

To stop this vicious cycle, you need to reduce testosterone and chelate.

So many say -- Lupron is dangerous and wish to use a more "natural" approach. Folks don't want to interfere with a child's natural cycle. In my opinion, mercury-laced vaccines have already interfered with a child's natural cycle. So much so that a child's testosterone level is off the charts. Uncontrolled high testosterone levels can lead to seizures and much greater brain damage. Lupron has been safe for kids in pre-puberty ages.

Enough said. Suggest listening to the Geiers --- please:

http://www.autismmedia.org/media4.html

My boy is now 7. He has one through the same as your boy. We began treating him at 5. He now has normal glutathione and testosterone level. He has improved a great deal.

Good luck to you.

Abid

Subject: Testosterone/autism/sweating......To: mb12 valtrex Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 1:30 PM

Hi everyone,Just noticed this thread about testosterone and sweating. I wanted to tell everyone, for those that don't know, like I didn't...there is another test you want to run if your looking at "sex hormones" being high. My DAN (Dr. DeMio) tested my son for testosterone, (had a major issue playing with his "ding" previously) but he said that can be very unreliable and did a test called SHBG (I believe it is sex hormone binding globulin). Austin's number was not even on the chart...meaning this....for a seven year old there is a specific number, then for the next part of "puberty", around age 11 another number range is given, then around age 13 (which is considered the height of puberty, where the numbers could expect to go the highest) another range is given...at that point the next two ranges at about 15 and 18 yrs old are listed...the numbers are already dropping by then. Austin's

number was 176...which meant that even in the height of puberty, he didn't fall on the chart, at which the highest number is 160. So, to make this long story short...had we not tested for this...we'd have thought since his testosterone was normal, that it wasn't his hormones causing an issue...we'd have been quite wrong! So, ask for this test, too, it's a good one. We will be doubling up on the glutathione and adding biotin to get these numbers down...I will post if his next blood draw shows it worked....

September 30, 2008

What about treating with spironolactone?

AK wrote:

> ,

>

> I talk about this a great deal on this yahoo group and other ones. The only

effective way of treating autistics with high testosterone is by treating with

lupron to reduce testosterone level and by chelating. In about 6 - 18 months,

his body will produce glutathione.

>

> Here's what has happened to your boy. Your boy has an genetic suceptability

to mercury. Your boy was vaccinated multiple times with mercury-laced

vaccines. Mercury knocked out your son's ability to produce glutathione.

Glutathione protects the body's cells -- including brain cells. Without

protection, mercury damages cells. Furthermore, high testosterone also damages

cells. High testosterone also makes chelating less effective.

>

> To stop this vicious cycle, you need to reduce testosterone and chelate.

>

> So many say -- Lupron is dangerous and wish to use a more " natural "

approach. Folks don't want to interfere with a child's natural cycle. In my

opinion, mercury-laced vaccines have already interfered with a child's natural

cycle. So much so that a child's testosterone level is off the charts.

Uncontrolled high testosterone levels can lead to seizures and much greater

brain damage. Lupron has been safe for kids in pre-puberty ages.

>

> Enough said. Suggest listening to the Geiers --- please:

>

> http://www.autismme dia.org/media4. html

>

> My boy is now 7. He has one through the same as your boy. We began treating

him at 5. He now has normal glutathione and testosterone level. He has

improved a great deal.

>

> Good luck to you.

>

> Abid

> From: ekogurl <ekogurlyahoo (DOT) com> Subject: Testosterone/

autism/sweating. ..... To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday,

September 30, 2008, 1:30 PM

> Hi everyone, Just noticed this thread about testosterone and sweating. I

wanted to tell everyone, for those that don't know, like I didn't...there is

another test you want to run if your looking at " sex hormones " being high. My

DAN (Dr. DeMio) tested my son for testosterone, (had a major issue playing with

his " ding " previously) but he said that can be very unreliable and did a test

called SHBG (I believe it is sex hormone binding globulin). Austin's number was

not even on the chart...meaning this....for a seven year old there is a specific

number, then for the next part of " puberty " , around age 11 another number range

is given, then around age 13 (which is considered the height of puberty, where

the numbers could expect to go the highest) another range is given...at that

point the next two ranges at about 15 and 18 yrs old are listed...the numbers

are already dropping by then. Austin's

> number was 176...which meant that even in the height of puberty, he didn't

fall on the chart, at which the highest number is 160. So, to make this long

story short...had we not tested for this...we'd have thought since his

testosterone was normal, that it wasn't his hormones causing an issue...we'd

have been quite wrong! So, ask for this test, too, it's a good one. We will be

doubling up on the glutathione and adding biotin to get these numbers down...I

will post if his next blood draw shows it worked....

>

September 30, 2008

Spironolactone can be used but is much less effective when compared to lupron. Spironolactone was originally developed to reduce high blood pressure. I'm guessing for a child who has testosterone numbers as high as 's child, then lupron is the drug of choice. > From: ekogurl <ekogurlyahoo (DOT) com> Subject: Testosterone/ autism/sweating. ..... To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 1:30 PM > Hi everyone, Just noticed this thread about testosterone and sweating. I wanted to tell everyone, for those that don't know, like I didn't...there is another test you want to run if your looking at "sex hormones" being high. My DAN (Dr. DeMio) tested my son for testosterone, (had a major issue playing with his "ding" previously) but he said that can be very unreliable and did a test called SHBG (I believe it is sex hormone binding globulin). Austin's number was not even on the chart...meaning this....for a seven year old there is a specific number, then for the next part of "puberty", around age 11 another

number range is given, then around age 13 (which is considered the height of puberty, where the numbers could expect to go the highest) another range is given...at that point the next two ranges at about 15 and 18 yrs old are listed...the numbers are already dropping by then. Austin's> number was 176...which meant that even in the height of puberty, he didn't fall on the chart, at which the highest number is 160. So, to make this long story short...had we not tested for this...we'd have thought since his testosterone was normal, that it wasn't his hormones causing an issue...we'd have been quite wrong! So, ask for this test, too, it's a good one. We will be doubling up on the glutathione and adding biotin to get these numbers down...I will post if his next blood draw shows it worked.... >

September 30, 2008

diflucan also lowers testosterone temperarialy

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Testosterone/autism/sweating......To: mb12 valtrex Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 1:30 PM

Hi everyone,Just noticed this thread about testosterone and sweating. I wanted to tell everyone, for those that don't know, like I didn't...there is another test you want to run if your looking at "sex hormones" being high. My DAN (Dr. DeMio) tested my son for testosterone, (had a major issue playing with his "ding" previously) but he said that can be very unreliable and did a test called SHBG (I believe it is sex hormone binding globulin). Austin's number was not even on the chart...meaning this....for a seven year old there is a specific number, then for the next part of "puberty", around age 11 another number range is given, then around age 13 (which is considered the height of puberty, where the numbers could expect to go the highest) another range is given...at that point the next two ranges at about 15 and 18 yrs old are listed...the numbers are already dropping by then. Austin's number was 176...which meant that even in the height of puberty, he didn't fall on the chart, at which the highest number is 160. So, to make this long story short...had we not tested for this...we'd have thought since his testosterone was normal, that it wasn't his hormones causing an issue...we'd have been quite wrong! So, ask for this test, too, it's a good one. We will be doubling up on the glutathione and adding biotin to get these numbers down...I will post if his next blood draw shows it worked....

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September 30, 2008

Spironolactone can be used but is much less effective when compared to lupron. Spironolactone was originally developed to reduce high blood pressure. I'm guessing for a child who has testosterone numbers as high as 's child, then lupron is the drug of choice. > From: ekogurl <ekogurlyahoo (DOT) com> Subject: Testosterone/ autism/sweating. ..... To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 1:30 PM > Hi everyone, Just noticed this thread about testosterone and sweating. I wanted to tell everyone, for those that don't know, like I didn't...there is another test you want to run if your looking at "sex hormones" being high. My DAN (Dr. DeMio) tested my son for testosterone, (had a major issue playing with his "ding" previously) but he said that can be very unreliable and did a test called SHBG (I believe it is sex hormone binding globulin). Austin's number was not even on the chart...meaning this....for a seven year old there is a specific number, then for the next part of "puberty", around age 11 another

number range is given, then around age 13 (which is considered the height of puberty, where the numbers could expect to go the highest) another range is given...at that point the next two ranges at about 15 and 18 yrs old are listed...the numbers are already dropping by then. Austin's> number was 176...which meant that even in the height of puberty, he didn't fall on the chart, at which the highest number is 160. So, to make this long story short...had we not tested for this...we'd have thought since his testosterone was normal, that it wasn't his hormones causing an issue...we'd have been quite wrong! So, ask for this test, too, it's a good one. We will be doubling up on the glutathione and adding biotin to get these numbers down...I will post if his next blood draw shows it worked.... >

September 30, 2008

I second that. I don't think Dr. Geier would choose an outrageously

expensive injection over a pill or two if the pills were just as

successful. From what I've read spironolactone only lowers a small

amount and that is questionable.

Debi

>

> Spironolactone can be used but is much less effective when compared

to lupron. Spironolactone was originally developed to reduce high

blood pressure. I'm guessing for a child who has testosterone numbers

as high as 's child, then lupron is the drug of choice.

>

September 30, 2008

Sounds as if you are talking about the Tanner stages. Here's a wiki

article about it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanner_stage

Someone who truly understands the many facets of hormone testing

related to autism will test the hormones & their metabolites and plot

out the findings based on Tanner Stage scales. Here is an example:

Dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) 274 ng/dL 01

Age

Female

0- 5 yr 19 - 42

6- 7 yr 73 - 165

8- 9 yr 74 - 180

10-11 yr 234 - 529

12-14 yr 224 - 611

Tanner Stage

I 31 - 345

II 150 - 570

III 200 - 600

IV 200 - 780

V 215 - 850

September 30, 2008

-Hi,

Thanks for the comments. Austin is chelating currently and has

stopped " playing with his ding " since about four months after

starting glutathione booster patches. So, what I think is happening

is that his numbers are on the way down, by looking at his

improvement in the way he used to be so fixated on playing with his

crotch, however, SHBG is still too high (according to the Tanner

stages NORMALS). Dr. D. said I can either use the patches every day,

instead of every other and retest or try a glutathione nebulizer once

or twice a week. I think I will try the patches every day, 12 hours,

and then retest because I believe they are really working for him. I

so wish I'd have had a testosterone/or SHBG number on him to start

with, before approx. eight months ago when we started the patches.

However, by looking at how he spends his time now when he's alone, as

opposed to what he used to do, I believe many things are improving. I

will let everyone know if this works...

-- In mb12 valtrex , AK wrote:

>

> ,

>

> I talk about this a great deal on this yahoo group and other ones.

The only effective way of treating autistics with high testosterone

is by treating with lupron to reduce testosterone level and by

chelating. In about 6 - 18 months, his body will produce

glutathione.

>

> Here's what has happened to your boy. Your boy has an genetic

suceptability to mercury. Your boy was vaccinated multiple times

with mercury-laced vaccines. Mercury knocked out your son's ability

to produce glutathione. Glutathione protects the body's cells --

including brain cells. Without protection, mercury damages cells.

Furthermore, high testosterone also damages cells. High testosterone

also makes chelating less effective.

>

> To stop this vicious cycle, you need to reduce testosterone and

chelate.

>

> So many say -- Lupron is dangerous and wish to use a more " natural "

approach. Folks don't want to interfere with a child's natural

cycle. In my opinion, mercury-laced vaccines have already interfered

with a child's natural cycle. So much so that a child's testosterone

level is off the charts. Uncontrolled high testosterone levels can

lead to seizures and much greater brain damage. Lupron has been safe

for kids in pre-puberty ages.

>

> Enough said. Suggest listening to the Geiers --- please:

>

> http://www.autismmedia.org/media4.html

>

> My boy is now 7. He has one through the same as your boy. We

began treating him at 5. He now has normal glutathione and

testosterone level. He has improved a great deal.

>

> Good luck to you.

>

> Abid

>

> Subject: Testosterone/autism/sweating......

> To: mb12 valtrex

> Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 1:30 PM

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> Just noticed this thread about testosterone and sweating. I wanted

> to tell everyone, for those that don't know, like I didn't...there

is

> another test you want to run if your looking at " sex hormones "

being

> high. My DAN (Dr. DeMio) tested my son for testosterone, (had a

> major issue playing with his " ding " previously) but he said that

can

> be very unreliable and did a test called SHBG (I believe it is sex

> hormone binding globulin). Austin's number was not even on the

> chart...meaning this....for a seven year old there is a specific

> number, then for the next part of " puberty " , around age 11 another

> number range is given, then around age 13 (which is considered the

> height of puberty, where the numbers could expect to go the

highest)

> another range is given...at that point the next two ranges at about

> 15 and 18 yrs old are listed...the numbers are already dropping by

> then. Austin's number was 176...which meant that even in the height

> of puberty, he didn't fall on the chart, at which the highest

number

> is 160. So, to make this long story short...had we not tested for

> this...we'd have thought since his testosterone was normal, that it

> wasn't his hormones causing an issue...we'd have been quite wrong!

> So, ask for this test, too, it's a good one. We will be doubling up

> on the glutathione and adding biotin to get these numbers down...I

> will post if his next blood draw shows it worked....

>

September 30, 2008