Re: Allergy expert shares Whiz-dumb for flood victims

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OMG! When the flood waters come, the " experts " flood the media with their

wise words of whiz-dumb. Guess the physician in the below health advisory

doesn't know about the NIEHS/NTP allocating several millions to study the

health effects of what he has already deemed is no problem. Maybe he should

call

them and tell them he already has all the answers. Allergist should stick

to what they know, which is allergy!!!

_http://www.physorg.com/news133108318.html_

(http://www.physorg.com/news133108318.html)

There is a comment section on this one, for anyone who is interested in

setting this idiot straight.

Wedner indicates that although molds release natural toxins, called

mycotoxins, these don't cause problems to people who live in moldy

houses because the toxins don't diffuse into the air. The only way

to be exposed to them is to swallow them.

Recently, a mold called Stachybotrys, a greenish-black, slimy mold

found on wood or paper that has been wet for several days, has

gotten a lot of attention. Some claim Stachybotrys is the cause of

sick building syndrome, in which people occupying a building have a

variety of symptoms such as headaches; eye, nose and throat

irritation; dizziness; fatigue and breathing problems. But Wedner

says Stachybotrys itself has little to no affect on

health. " Stachybotrys is a mold that needs a lot of water, " he

says. " So it's a sign that there has been a lot of water in the

building. But it's not toxic, and people generally aren't allergic

to it. "

Sorry so angry in tone, but I have had it with all the misinformation by

physicians who have no clue of what they say and I have had it with watching all

the lives being destroyed because of them.

Sharon Kramer

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[Guest guest]

Sharon and all reading on this subject: I am an advocate of understanding the

complexity of the indoor environment resulting from water damage. Through

knowledge, indivdiuals like HJ Wedner can be defeated. The indoor environment

is very complex involving:

(1) Molds - certain species of Aspergillus and Penicillium grow indoors vs

outdoors. One must speciate the molds and compare them to the concentrations of

species outdoors. Also, botrys is dangerous along with Chaetomium,

Alternaria, Fusarium and Epicoccum as well as others.

(2) Bacteria: One should also test for gram negative and positive bacteria.

The gram negative bacteria produce endotoxins. The gram positive such as

certain species of Bacillus produce exotoxins. Also, three genera of

Actinobacter are present: Streptomyces (produces exotoxins); Cardiopsis

(produces exotoxins) and Mycobacterium The mycobacterium can cause

nontuberculin lung infections, particularly in the very young, elderly, those

with pre-exisiting lung conditions and those treated with prednisone or other

steriods. They can also cause hypersensitivity pneumonitis (See Dr. Falkham on

the CDC website) If steroids are prescribed, then the patient has an

inflammatory condition that is caused by toxic by products of both mold and

bacteria.

(3) Microbial volatile organic compounds (MVOCs). Yes, these produce the odor

characteristic of microbial (mold and bacterial growth). What is not recognized

is that the MVOCs increase in VOC load that is present in the indoor environment

and add to the irritating and toxic effects of VOCs.

(4) Mycotoxins and Exotoxins: molds produce mycotoxins and bacteria produce

exotoxins during their growth cycle. Theze chemicals do get into the indoor

air. They do not diffuse from the colonies into the air. They get into the air

via particulate matter shed by mold and bacteria.

(5): Particulate matter consists of large and small particulate matter. This

has been demonstrated in the laboratorries of Dr. Gorny in Poland and Dr. Straus

at Texas Tech University. The large particulates consist of mold spores and

hyphae fragments. The small particulates (less than two microns) are up to 320

times more concentrated than are the mold spores. These are shed by frequencies

set up by normal human activity in the home, e.g. radio and TV, walking,

Talking, etc. Drs. Brasel and Dr. Straus have demonstrated that the fine

particulates in homes contaminated with Stachybotrys chartarum are in the indoor

air.. The occupants breathe in the fine particulates and the trichothecene

mycotoxins are present in their sera.

(6) Extracellular polysaccharides and 1,3-beta glucans: These are cell wall

components found in all molds and some bacteria and are released into the indoor

environment. They are very irritating to mucous membranes of the respiratory

tract.

I strongly recommend that harpers and complainers regarding the uneducated

Wedners of the medical world get themselves educated on the subject of the

complexity of the indoor environment resulting from water damage. Loaded with

knowledge, you can defeat the nay sayers, including the CDC.. Jack D. Thrasher,

Ph.D.

Jack D. Thrasher, Ph.D.

Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist

[Guest guest]

Dr. Thrasher -

" Loaded with knowledge- you can defeat the naysayers! "

Truer words were never spoken...Knowledge has always meant power.

I always learn something from your posts. Thanks, Ginloi

>

> Sharon and all reading on this subject: I am an advocate of

understanding the complexity of the indoor environment resulting from

water damage. Through knowledge, indivdiuals like HJ Wedner can be

defeated. The indoor environment is very complex involving:

>

> (1) Molds - certain species of Aspergillus and Penicillium grow

indoors vs outdoors. One must speciate the molds and compare them to

the concentrations of species outdoors. Also, botrys is

dangerous along with Chaetomium, Alternaria, Fusarium and Epicoccum as

well as others.

>

> (2) Bacteria: One should also test for gram negative and positive

bacteria. The gram negative bacteria produce endotoxins. The gram

positive such as certain species of Bacillus produce exotoxins. Also,

three genera of Actinobacter are present: Streptomyces (produces

exotoxins); Cardiopsis (produces exotoxins) and Mycobacterium The

mycobacterium can cause nontuberculin lung infections, particularly in

the very young, elderly, those with pre-exisiting lung conditions and

those treated with prednisone or other steriods. They can also cause

hypersensitivity pneumonitis (See Dr. Falkham on the CDC website) If

steroids are prescribed, then the patient has an inflammatory

condition that is caused by toxic by products of both mold and bacteria.

>

> (3) Microbial volatile organic compounds (MVOCs). Yes, these

produce the odor characteristic of microbial (mold and bacterial

growth). What is not recognized is that the MVOCs increase in VOC

load that is present in the indoor environment and add to the

irritating and toxic effects of VOCs.

>

> (4) Mycotoxins and Exotoxins: molds produce mycotoxins and

bacteria produce exotoxins during their growth cycle. Theze chemicals

do get into the indoor air. They do not diffuse from the colonies

into the air. They get into the air via particulate matter shed by

mold and bacteria.

>

> (5): Particulate matter consists of large and small particulate

matter. This has been demonstrated in the laboratorries of Dr. Gorny

in Poland and Dr. Straus at Texas Tech University. The large

particulates consist of mold spores and hyphae fragments. The small

particulates (less than two microns) are up to 320 times more

concentrated than are the mold spores. These are shed by frequencies

set up by normal human activity in the home, e.g. radio and TV,

walking, Talking, etc. Drs. Brasel and Dr. Straus have demonstrated

that the fine particulates in homes contaminated with Stachybotrys

chartarum are in the indoor air.. The occupants breathe in the fine

particulates and the trichothecene mycotoxins are present in their sera.

>

> (6) Extracellular polysaccharides and 1,3-beta glucans: These are

cell wall components found in all molds and some bacteria and are

released into the indoor environment. They are very irritating to

mucous membranes of the respiratory tract.

>

> I strongly recommend that harpers and complainers regarding the

uneducated Wedners of the medical world get themselves educated on the

subject of the complexity of the indoor environment resulting from

water damage. Loaded with knowledge, you can defeat the nay sayers,

including the CDC.. Jack D. Thrasher, Ph.D.

>

> Jack D. Thrasher, Ph.D.

> Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist

>