Re: Re: DISCOURAGED!!!

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I, as well as many have went through this experience and unfortunately will continue to.

Most of us anticipate the run in. My doctor as well was very open minded, understanding... My entire immediate and extended family saw her for years, she became almost family. But when it came to anything beyond a cold or flu, she was lacking. My sons' health went into a decline after vaccine's (caught every bug, cold, flu) was always sick, chronic ear infections. I insisted on action, she said they needed more of a record of infections. His eardrum finally burst! His hearing is ok, Thank God! But, she was mis-diagnosing and even resistant to my son getting an evaluation for autism. I had to demand it over and over. These illness were all connected to vaccine injury!!! Upon my next visit after the diagnosis, I had created Together In Autism. She asked at what age the earliest signs could be detected? What!!! I was saddened and in shock. She was clueless. Before my thorough investigation on vaccines, she gave my youngest child a double dose of vaccines without informing me, just said due for 3 or 4. Upon my next visit I was told that he was due for his shots, I stated that we were not doing any that day, we were looking into an alternate vaccine schedule, everyone treated and looked at me like I was "one of those." The doctor walked in and right away without saying hi, and said that he was not due, he got all of them 3 months prior, he's ahead! She gave me a wink and said, "Bet you are relieved huh? (with a wink)... What an idiot! RELIEVED??? So, needless to say, we are not wasting our time with someone who is not educated or not open to the possibilities, especially those that place strong judgement on our way of life, which is recovery. My youngest so far is ok, we are keeping a close eye. Just know you are not alone and we have all been there. Keep your path clear and full of positive energy. Your child's recovery is the most important thing!

Sincerely,

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Though you may choose to have separate doctors,

they all in some way co-exist as they total as the complete care of your child.

I would look for at least a more open minded doctor in your area, or at least one that will not judge you on your views, when the situation arises. It always seems to...

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Unfortunately in these times, you pretty much have to! You're right, our children need taken care of now, their health is NOT OK! Do you have a local autism support group in your area that you could contact? Then again, many are close-minded as well. With my group, just one of the things I do, is try to locate doctors for those having difficulties (nationally/internationally). General Ped. take more investigating. Word of mouth is your best bet, phone calls, google, etc... It is seriously screwed up that we have to do so much, we should be able to find our resource's with ease. That is one of the many things our group tries to provide...

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Is this sassifrassi?? If so, how did you change your name?? I cant find where mine says "If I like you, you'll know" to change it.To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:06:56 PMSubject: Re:

DISCOURAGED!!!

Our pediatrician is the same way. She told me some long story about a

child dying after receiving the flu shot. She said at first they

thought it was the flu shot that killed her, but then they realized

she died because she was no fully vaccinated!! I stood there with my

jaw on the floor! She was telling me this because I haven't (and will

not) vaccinated my 13 month old. Nice to tell me this don't you think?

She also told me that Ruby can't have yeast in her blood, if she did

she'd be very sick...uhhhh yeah...she is idiot. I gave up her and now

my kids see a naturopath and only a naturopath.

I'm sure you can find an open minded doctor, but it's not going to be

easy. Keep going to the 'educate' chiropractor. Man, I love the

quotations your doctor put next to 'education' ugggh.

>

> I emailed my daughter's primary doctor with a list of testing our new

> DAN! doctors wants done. Now, our primary is great, open minded and

> is the one who set us on GFCF path.. HOWEVER- she maintains that

> vaccines ARE completely safe (I do NOT agree) and that Autism is NOT

> treatable. I figured we could have these differences. .. until now.

>

> This is the response I just got and I simply do not know what to say

> or do...

>

>

> "Yes, you have some serious questions.

>

>

>

> Yes, I do have some reservations.

>

>

>

> You are seeking advice from a doctor of chiropractic medicine. A

> chiropractor should be well trained in manipulative medicine. Some are

> excellent at this. I go to one myself. BUT…. They do not have rigorous

> training in chemistry, physiology, pharmacology. Many get their

> `education' from questionable sources and it does not have any

> scientific support. For this reason, they are prone to put

> unwarranted importance on non-standard testing, hence her use of a

> specific lab, not one in this community. I have seen many patients,

> some desperate to treat their cancer or other fatal illness, spend

> thousands on non-standard testing. Never have I seen them benefit from

> either the testing, what the test purportedly told them, or the

> resulting treatment.

>

>

>

> Autism, like many other diseases, can occur in multiple settings. Some

> of the tests that were recommended to you are for inborn disorders of

> metabolism which are fatal within the first couple of years of life.

> Behavior changes, of course, go with an infant who is dying of a

> neurologic disease. Kaelainne clearly isn't one of these kids, she is

> growing, not dying. Likewise, kids with immune deficiencies, etc.

>

>

>

> That being said, a couple of the tests do have merit. This would be a

> cmp (comprehensive chemistry panel) and strep antibodies. PANDAS is a

> post-strep condition which leads to schizophrenia- type mental illness.

> Certainly this is something she could acquire. Unfortunately there is

> no specific treatment for it, so I am not certain what this diagnosis

> would lead to except knowing the potential is there for other mental

> impairment as she ages.

>

>

>

> I know that you would like a cure. I would, too. However, I do have to

> take these `cures' with a grain of salt. If the person wasn't

> adequately tested at the beginning, or isn't really normal at the end

> of treatment (no matter whether the parent wishes so hard that normal

> is present, so dismisses disease as idiosyncracy and quirks), then

> nothing has been proven. When I read the anecdotal statement that

> surround a rare `cure' for autism, generally there is no science being

> reported, just belief."

>

> I feel like I just got kicked in the gut. I see all of you, with your

> tests giving you the direction to go in.. and my doctor is saying it's

> all crap- I DO NOT BELIEVE HER!! I watched Stan's video! I read

> 's book, I read EVERY post in this group. YOu all are RECOVERING

> your children!!! I KNOW YOU ARE. Why is it so damn hard for doctors

> to even CONSIDER that there MAY be another way??

> I am so P*SSED right now.

> I'm sure many of you faced this- what do I do now??

>

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No- it only says my name when I directly reply to someone. How did you select an alias? I tried that and it still says that stupid thing I had put up when people were IMing for cybering. (Which I HATE)To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:14:41 PMSubject: Re: DISCOURAGED!!!

-

I had to go into my profile and add an alias, then choose the alias

for this group. Looks like you've figured it out though!

-- In mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com, Lainna Bracy <kaelainne@. ..> wrote:

>

> Is this sassifrassi? ? If so, how did you change your name?? I cant

find where mine says "If I like you, you'll know" to change it.

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: michellebondy <myrubygirl@ ...>

> To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:06:56 PM

> Subject: Re: DISCOURAGED! !!

>

>

> Our pediatrician is the same way. She told me some long story about a

> child dying after receiving the flu shot. She said at first they

> thought it was the flu shot that killed her, but then they realized

> she died because she was no fully vaccinated!! I stood there with my

> jaw on the floor! She was telling me this because I haven't (and will

> not) vaccinated my 13 month old. Nice to tell me this don't you think?

>

> She also told me that Ruby can't have yeast in her blood, if she did

> she'd be very sick...uhhhh yeah...she is idiot. I gave up her and now

> my kids see a naturopath and only a naturopath.

>

> I'm sure you can find an open minded doctor, but it's not going to be

> easy. Keep going to the 'educate' chiropractor. Man, I love the

> quotations your doctor put next to 'education' ugggh.

>

>

> >

> > I emailed my daughter's primary doctor with a list of testing our new

> > DAN! doctors wants done. Now, our primary is great, open minded and

> > is the one who set us on GFCF path.. HOWEVER- she maintains that

> > vaccines ARE completely safe (I do NOT agree) and that Autism is NOT

> > treatable. I figured we could have these differences. .. until now.

> >

> > This is the response I just got and I simply do not know what to say

> > or do...

> >

> >

> > "Yes, you have some serious questions.

> >

> >

> >

> > Yes, I do have some reservations.

> >

> >

> >

> > You are seeking advice from a doctor of chiropractic medicine. A

> > chiropractor should be well trained in manipulative medicine. Some are

> > excellent at this. I go to one myself. BUT…. They do not have rigorous

> > training in chemistry, physiology, pharmacology. Many get their

> > `education' from questionable sources and it does not have any

> > scientific support. For this reason, they are prone to put

> > unwarranted importance on non-standard testing, hence her use of a

> > specific lab, not one in this community. I have seen many patients,

> > some desperate to treat their cancer or other fatal illness, spend

> > thousands on non-standard testing. Never have I seen them benefit from

> > either the testing, what the test purportedly told them, or the

> > resulting treatment.

> >

> >

> >

> > Autism, like many other diseases, can occur in multiple settings. Some

> > of the tests that were recommended to you are for inborn disorders of

> > metabolism which are fatal within the first couple of years of life.

> > Behavior changes, of course, go with an infant who is dying of a

> > neurologic disease. Kaelainne clearly isn't one of these kids, she is

> > growing, not dying. Likewise, kids with immune deficiencies, etc.

> >

> >

> >

> > That being said, a couple of the tests do have merit. This would be a

> > cmp (comprehensive chemistry panel) and strep antibodies. PANDAS is a

> > post-strep condition which leads to schizophrenia- type mental

illness.

> > Certainly this is something she could acquire. Unfortunately there is

> > no specific treatment for it, so I am not certain what this diagnosis

> > would lead to except knowing the potential is there for other mental

> > impairment as she ages.

> >

> >

> >

> > I know that you would like a cure. I would, too. However, I do have to

> > take these `cures' with a grain of salt. If the person wasn't

> > adequately tested at the beginning, or isn't really normal at the end

> > of treatment (no matter whether the parent wishes so hard that normal

> > is present, so dismisses disease as idiosyncracy and quirks), then

> > nothing has been proven. When I read the anecdotal statement that

> > surround a rare `cure' for autism, generally there is no science being

> > reported, just belief."

> >

> > I feel like I just got kicked in the gut. I see all of you, with your

> > tests giving you the direction to go in.. and my doctor is saying it's

> > all crap- I DO NOT BELIEVE HER!! I watched Stan's video! I read

> > 's book, I read EVERY post in this group. YOu all are RECOVERING

> > your children!!! I KNOW YOU ARE. Why is it so damn hard for doctors

> > to even CONSIDER that there MAY be another way??

> > I am so P*SSED right now.

> > I'm sure many of you faced this- what do I do now??

> >

>

[Guest guest]

That's how it looks we will be headed right off. I wish I could just CALL docs and say HEY are you a closed minded AHOLE?? before I even make an appt... make things SO much easier.To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:31:59 PMSubject: Re: DISCOURAGED!!!

NEW DOCTOR!! I'm so sorry to hear this. I got the same response

when I went to our primary doctor. He didn't want to do any of the

tests I asked for. Unfortunately, unless you're seeing a DAN, you

probably wont get anywhere with allopathic doctors. They are pretty

much closed to anything other than what they learned in their 4 years

of brainwashing that they claim is medical school.

I fight this battle every day with my dad, who is a retired

orthopaedic surgeon. And because I didn't graduate from medical

school or do a residency at Duke, I know SHIT about all this!!!

> > >

> > > I emailed my daughter's primary doctor with a list of testing

our

> > new

> > > DAN! doctors wants done. Now, our primary is great, open

minded and

> > > is the one who set us on GFCF path.. HOWEVER- she maintains that

> > > vaccines ARE completely safe (I do NOT agree) and that Autism

is NOT

> > > treatable. I figured we could have these differences. .. until

now.

> > >

> > > This is the response I just got and I simply do not know what

to say

> > > or do...

> > >

> > >

> > > "Yes, you have some serious questions.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Yes, I do have some reservations.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > You are seeking advice from a doctor of chiropractic medicine. A

> > > chiropractor should be well trained in manipulative medicine.

Some

> > are

> > > excellent at this. I go to one myself. BUT…. They do not have

> > rigorous

> > > training in chemistry, physiology, pharmacology. Many get their

> > > `education' from questionable sources and it does not have any

> > > scientific support. For this reason, they are prone to put

> > > unwarranted importance on non-standard testing, hence her use

of a

> > > specific lab, not one in this community. I have seen many

patients,

> > > some desperate to treat their cancer or other fatal illness,

spend

> > > thousands on non-standard testing. Never have I seen them

benefit

> > from

> > > either the testing, what the test purportedly told them, or the

> > > resulting treatment.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Autism, like many other diseases, can occur in multiple

settings.

> > Some

> > > of the tests that were recommended to you are for inborn

disorders

> > of

> > > metabolism which are fatal within the first couple of years of

life.

> > > Behavior changes, of course, go with an infant who is dying of a

> > > neurologic disease. Kaelainne clearly isn't one of these kids,

she

> > is

> > > growing, not dying. Likewise, kids with immune deficiencies,

etc.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > That being said, a couple of the tests do have merit. This

would be

> > a

> > > cmp (comprehensive chemistry panel) and strep antibodies.

PANDAS is

> > a

> > > post-strep condition which leads to schizophrenia- type mental

> > illness.

> > > Certainly this is something she could acquire. Unfortunately

there

> > is

> > > no specific treatment for it, so I am not certain what this

> > diagnosis

> > > would lead to except knowing the potential is there for other

mental

> > > impairment as she ages.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I know that you would like a cure. I would, too. However, I do

have

> > to

> > > take these `cures' with a grain of salt. If the person wasn't

> > > adequately tested at the beginning, or isn't really normal at

the

> > end

> > > of treatment (no matter whether the parent wishes so hard that

> > normal

> > > is present, so dismisses disease as idiosyncracy and quirks),

then

> > > nothing has been proven. When I read the anecdotal statement

that

> > > surround a rare `cure' for autism, generally there is no

science

> > being

> > > reported, just belief."

> > >

> > > I feel like I just got kicked in the gut. I see all of you,

with

> > your

> > > tests giving you the direction to go in.. and my doctor is

saying

> > it's

> > > all crap- I DO NOT BELIEVE HER!! I watched Stan's video! I read

> > > 's book, I read EVERY post in this group. YOu all are

> > RECOVERING

> > > your children!!! I KNOW YOU ARE. Why is it so damn hard for

doctors

> > > to even CONSIDER that there MAY be another way??

> > > I am so P*SSED right now.

> > > I'm sure many of you faced this- what do I do now??

> > >

> >

>

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Does insurance pay for titers and if not, how much are they?To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:45:34 PMSubject: Re: DISCOURAGED!!!

Getting titers tested is an easy blood test and any doc can order it.

I have my DAN write a script and then take it to a lab for the blood

draw.

[Guest guest]

Yeah THAT is effed up. The thing that REALLY gets me- is in say.. 10 years, this will all be normal and typical and it will be TOO LATE for our children.To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:50:05 PMSubject:

Re: DISCOURAGED!!!

> She also told me that Ruby can't have yeast in her blood, if she did

> she'd be very sick...

WHAT?! Does she think she's OKAY?!!

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That's what I want to do, but how do I question them as to their beliefs on Autism recovery- Should I just ask, Are you a closed minded ahole??To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:57:18 PMSubject: Re:

Re: DISCOURAGED!!!

Though you may choose to have separate doctors,

they all in some way co-exist as they total as the complete care of your child.

I would look for at least a more open minded doctor in your area, or at least one that will not judge you on your views, when the situation arises. It always seems to...

Shauna

(T.I.A)

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i hope you filed a VARS report for that polio shot

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Re: DISCOURAGED!!!

kaelainne,Doctors have to think this because if they don't, then everything they learned in school and everything they tell their patients about vaccines would be wrong. Don't be surprised to hear these things, and don't be discouraged by them. Just expect it and know that you are doing what you need to do to help your child. PLEASE do not back down. I decided that I would recently vaccinate my 5 year old (who's been on biomed since 2 and made great gains) because he was starting school. I even tested his titers and only had to give polio and DTaP. And do you know what happened? He had an hour and a half seizure and could have died. None of the hospital staff or his docs will admit that it was the vaccine though he'd never had a seizure in his life. He wasn't doing anything new or abnormal in biomed either, just vitamins and enzymes, but they were quick to blame that. Now he is regressing again and I know exactly what caused it and so does my DAN. So go to your ped. for sniffles and checkups, but for real help with autism seek your DAN doctor, and if you don't like that they are a chiro, get another one, there are lots of regular MDs in the movement. No one else is going to help you and just take it from me, they DO HELP, and they know you aren't crazy. For regular doctors just grin and bear it, and be a pain in the arse when you need to. They have to believe in their doctrine, but we have to believe in finding treatment for our kids who are SICK.My prayers go out to you,Sara

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oops, sorry, my spelling is WAY bad, that is why God gifted me with a hyperlexic kid! his photographic memory comes in handy

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Re: DISCOURAGED!!!

it's actual vaers - http://www.autismpedia.org/wiki/index.php?title=VAERS --penumbra > > i hope you filed a VARS report for that polio shot

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Yeah see my little girl can count to 20, knows all letters, shapes, colors, animals and sounds by looking at them. CAN name most of her foods and drinks. Answers "whats this"questions (sometimes) but most of the time is doing one of two things- either shifting around the room all over the place, not focusing on anything, not responding to us or wanting any attentions from us... then other times she is clinging to my leg, screaming at me, yelling in what sounds like another language, arm flapping, and is just inconsolable... I cannot imagine what she goes through in those times. There is a middle ground, where she seems so... with me. We make eye contact, she looks at me as if she is laughing at me or with me. She shows a sense of humor that no 3 year old should have...

and then I watch her slip away again.. always slips away.. Maybe I need to get ultra anal and chart from wake til sleep every mood, every reaction and intake of food and drink, weather... and see what happens. Wow, Now that I said that I feel like that is so obvious I should have MONTHS by now...To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 10:16:44 PMSubject: Re:

DISCOURAGED!!!

If your child had a fungal infection of the brain, she would be in a

fog and stimming. Obviously, that's not the case.

What a complete MORON!

--penumbra

>

> Yeah THAT is effed up. The thing that REALLY gets me- is in say..

10 years, this will all be normal and typical and it will be TOO LATE

for our children.

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: sarah_empirhe <seastwell@. ..>

> To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:50:05 PM

> Subject: Re: DISCOURAGED! !!

>

>

> > She also told me that Ruby can't have yeast in her blood, if she

did

> > she'd be very sick...

>

> WHAT?! Does she think she's OKAY?!!

>

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Hi, I'm super new on this group, I haven't even had a chance to post my intro message. But I read this message and saw hyperlexic. I've never seen that before and for some reason I googled it. And when I read it I thought it sounded like my boy. I guess what I'm asking is can you tell me more about it? Kinda wanna do a comparison? My son is 2 1/2 with severe GI issues and seemingly very smart with numbers and letters. He's considered NT. So, I don't know just thought I'd ask. Hope I'm not a bother. Thanks!Subject: Re: Re:

DISCOURAGED!!!To: mb12 valtrex Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 7:19 PM

oops, sorry, my spelling is WAY bad, that is why God gifted me with a hyperlexic kid! his photographic memory comes in handy

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Re: DISCOURAGED! !!

it's actual vaers - http://www.autismpe dia.org/wiki/ index.php? title=VAERS --penumbra > > i hope you filed a VARS report for that polio shot

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she is doing better then my 4 year old with letters, shapes, colors, and numbers, what you discribe with the unknown lang and hysterics sounds more like seizers to me. have you had her checked out via EEG that way.. and much of that DOES sounds pretty NT as well.....they ARE suppose to be active at that age, the not responding is a concern UNLESS they are doing it because they are absorbed in what they are doing which CAN be common. the responce with laughing is ALSO a good sign. do you see gains and loses alot?? if so you may want to read up on landau kleffner

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Re: DISCOURAGED! !! > > > > She also told me that Ruby can't have yeast in her blood, if she did > > she'd be very sick... > > WHAT?! Does she think she's OKAY?!! >

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no, infact AAP showed up at the DAN conference in NJ even

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Is this an April Fool joke!? --penumbra > For immediate release: April 1, 2008 > > CHICAGO - The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) supports World etc.

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the giftedness in reading is called hyperlexia and is common in our kids....the coming and going off things can be logged along with what she or he is eating and you may see a pattern of something you need to pull to increase those good days, yeast can also do this so watch not just for what foods are eating but what TYPES of foods are eaten

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Re: DISCOURAGED! !! > > > > > > > She also told me that Ruby can't have yeast in her blood, if she > did > > > she'd be very sick... > > > > WHAT?! Does she think she's OKAY?!! > >>

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actually we have lost our hyperlexia with him recovering, it hasn't returned even with the recent PANDAS flare since we have lost his dx

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Re: DISCOURAGED! !! > > > > > > > > > > She also told me that Ruby can't have yeast in her blood, ifshe > > did > > > > she'd be very sick... > > > > > > WHAT?! Does she think she's OKAY?!! > > >> >> > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1746 - Release Date:10/25/2008 5:55 PM>

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Talk to others in your area who share your views, and find out who they go to. There are open minded, compassionate people with MD after their names, you just need to find one. Having that kind of back up is important, you are in this for the long haul and you are in need of a health partner, not a Mental Dinosaur.Lainna Bracy wrote: That's what I want to do, but how do I question them as to their

beliefs on Autism recovery- Should I just ask, Are you a closed minded ahole?? From: "togetherinautismaol" <togetherinautismaol>To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:57:18 PMSubject: Re: Re: DISCOURAGED!!! Though you may choose to have separate doctors, they all in some way co-exist as they total as the complete care of your child. I would look for at least a more open minded doctor in your area, or at least one that will not judge you on your views, when the situation arises. It always seems to... Shauna (T.I.A) www.togetherinautis m.org Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics – check it out!

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no that is not true ANY reaction can be reported, we had to do it with several shots DTaP being one of them for our son as well

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Re: DISCOURAGED!!!

>> i hope you filed a VARS report for that polio shot> >It was actually the DTaP, but I was not able to- you have to have seizure AND long term neurological damage (which I can't prove). Believe me, I tried. ALso because a fever didn't accompany the seizure, the docs won't accept that was the reason for it.

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This is a link to where you can report a vaccine reactions. you can also search this (secret) website and view all the adverse reactions people had to vaccines. Go to basic search. All you have to put in in the state and hit find. You don't need to fill out all the other fill ins. I found this interesting.The reactions are recorded from Doctors and parents.http://medalerts.org/ Tami >Mom of 4----daughter 10 NT,daughter 9 NT, daughter 7 ADHD, 2 year old son ASDTo: mb12 valtrex Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:45:21 AMSubject: Re: Re: DISCOURAGED!!!

no that is not true ANY reaction can be reported, we had to do it with several shots DTaP being one of them for our son as well

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Re: DISCOURAGED! !!

>> i hope you filed a VARS report for that polio shot> >It was actually the DTaP, but I was not able to- you have to have seizure AND long term neurological damage (which I can't prove). Believe me, I tried. ALso because a fever didn't accompany the seizure, the docs won't accept that was the reason for it.

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there is also another site with 909 in it that you can look up your EXACT lot numbers and see what reactions others have had, we had several kids die on the same lots my son had some with in HOURS, and another in the same TOWN got one of his and had to have his leg amputated from the knee down from it

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Re: DISCOURAGED! !!

>> i hope you filed a VARS report for that polio shot> >It was actually the DTaP, but I was not able to- you have to have seizure AND long term neurological damage (which I can't prove). Believe me, I tried. ALso because a fever didn't accompany the seizure, the docs won't accept that was the reason for it.

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http://www.medalerts.org/ Tami >Mom of 4----daughter 10 NT,daughter 9 NT, daughter 7 ADHD, 2 year old son ASDTo: mb12 valtrex Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:28:34 AMSubject: Re: Re:

DISCOURAGED!!!

This is a link to where you can report a vaccine reactions. you can also search this (secret) website and view all the adverse reactions people had to vaccines. Go to basic search. All you have to put in in the state and hit find. You don't need to fill out all the other fill ins. I found this interesting. The reactions are recorded from Doctors and parents.http://medalerts. org/ Tami >Mom of 4----daughter 10 NT,daughter 9 NT, daughter 7 ADHD, 2 year old son ASDFrom: Christel King <christel76@together

..net>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:45:21 AMSubject: Re: Re: DISCOURAGED! !!

no that is not true ANY reaction can be reported, we had to do it with several shots DTaP being one of them for our son as well

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Re: DISCOURAGED! !!

>> i hope you filed a VARS report for that polio shot> >It was actually the DTaP, but I was not able to- you have to have seizure AND long term neurological damage (which I can't prove). Believe me, I tried. ALso because a fever didn't accompany the seizure, the docs won't accept that was the reason for it.

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autism in and of itself is ALSO hot lotable....I think THIS would make for an interesting chart to put out our lot numbers and HOW MANY of our kids have corrilating batches.....(almost can't believe it HASN"T been done already) to see if there are higher rates or certain batches ect like clusters of autism so to say, which would ALSO explain why not EVERY child who gets vaccinated gets autism, as well as if they were the last dose given as well, bottom of the barrel more mercury type thing

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Re: DISCOURAGED! !!

>> i hope you filed a VARS report for that polio shot> >It was actually the DTaP, but I was not able to- you have to have seizure AND long term neurological damage (which I can't prove). Believe me, I tried. ALso because a fever didn't accompany the seizure, the docs won't accept that was the reason for it.

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I don't know my son's lot numbers. Do I just ask his old pediatrician for these? Tami >Mom of 4----daughter 10 NT,daughter 9 NT, daughter 7 ADHD, 2 year old son ASDTo: mb12 valtrex Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:37:02 AMSubject: Re: Re: DISCOURAGED!!!

autism in and of itself is ALSO hot lotable....I think THIS would make for an interesting chart to put out our lot numbers and HOW MANY of our kids have corrilating batches..... (almost can't believe it HASN"T been done already) to see if there are higher rates or certain batches ect like clusters of autism so to say, which would ALSO explain why not EVERY child who gets vaccinated gets autism, as well as if they were the last dose given as well, bottom of the barrel more mercury type thing

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Re: DISCOURAGED! !!

>> i hope you filed a VARS report for that polio shot> >It was actually the DTaP, but I was not able to- you have to have seizure AND long term neurological damage (which I can't prove). Believe me, I tried. ALso because a fever didn't accompany the seizure, the docs won't accept that was the reason for it.

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yes they have to keep them on file for like 7 years or something like that.....get ALL of them and enter them but be prepared to spit fire

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>> i hope you filed a VARS report for that polio shot> >It was actually the DTaP, but I was not able to- you have to have seizure AND long term neurological damage (which I can't prove). Believe me, I tried. ALso because a fever didn't accompany the seizure, the docs won't accept that was the reason for it.

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