Fw : Medical School Curriculum Overview

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I was in a pre med program and microbiology is part of the cirriculum...as

there are questions on the MCAT involving micro.

Other cllasses believe it or not are genetics, cell bio, cell physiology and

biochem.

[Guest guest]

I also forgot comparative vertebra and histology (elective)

[Guest guest]

We have discussed whether docs are taught microbiology...we should look at

that...This school does teach it..2008©

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[Guest guest]

Thanks, So we have established 2 of 3 elements of the med school

curriculum - in scope and sequence.

How much is taught?

When, or in what order or sequence, is it taught?

1 - It is taught.

2 - It is tested nationally with that big exam.

3 - The question is - is that knowledge USED?

or is it disgarded or marginalized in some fashion?

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> I also forgot comparative vertebra and histology (elective)

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/3/2008 10:49:27 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

ginloi@... writes:

Thanks, So we have established 2 of 3 elements of the med school

curriculum - in scope and sequence.

How much is taught?

most pre med (now its called pre-professional) students either major in chem

or bio. Some of the more determined students take other science classes to

get a 'foundation " for graduate medical sciences. ie histology, immunology,

a & p etc.

most hard core science ie gen and o-chem 1 full year aka 2 semesters

bio chem 1 semester

physical chem 1 semester

gen bio 1 full year aka 2 semesters

micro 1 semester

genetics 1 semester

cell phy or cell bio 1 semester

comparative/inverterbra 1 semester

histology

When, or in what order or sequence, is it taught?

1 - It is taught.

2 - It is tested nationally with that big exam.

the mcat is the defininng test to get into med school. a bitch of an

exam. depending on the schools the weight of it varies...some use gpa more

others use mcat scores the core sciences are about 80-85% of the test....

failure to understand the basic sci in undergrad is a sure failure on the mcats

3 - The question is - is that knowledge USED?

or is it disgarded or marginalized in some fashion?

most of science in undergrad are foundations for med sci classes...its the

stuff in MED school that is really never used again....how many people really

give a damn about embryology after the class is over? you remember it enough

for the licensing boards then it's gone.....basically if you don't use it

you lose it.

drs get one semester in nutrition, toicology...you think they use it again?

hardly unless it's relevant to their speciality.

Here is the degree req from my alma mater see page 8 for most of your

questions a lot of these courses weren't offered when i was there

_http://www.unlv.edu/pubs/catalogs/undergraduate/pdf/sciences/lifesciences.pdf_

(http://www.unlv.edu/pubs/catalogs/undergraduate/pdf/sciences/lifesciences.pdf)

[Guest guest]

As they say...the hardest part is getting in, once you are in they do

everything to try and keep the students in med school.

In undergrad there are what are called " weeder " classes for almost every

degree. Classes that are made to " weed' out the weaker students. With med

students its Organic chemistry or as its known as orgasmic chemistry as you will

get screwed in it. A root canal without an anesthesia is better than this

class.

In nursing it's anatomy/phsyiology.

[Guest guest]

It looks like an impressive and rigorous course preparation. And

pretty high standards like in law. There are some docs, who hold both

degrees and, who understand the " dual-dynamic " of the " law doc " role

and in particular, the effect of the law on health and safety, because

they look through " binoculars " rather than " monacles " They are pretty

amazing people.

[Guest guest]

>

My daughter did her residency in Pediatrics and got a Master's in

Public health from Mount Sinai Hospital in New York City. This is an

excellent school and sorry to say MCS and its related issues are NOT

in the forefront. Maybe because she has me as her mother, my daughter

decided to pursue a wider area to practice in-hence the master's.

However. the Board of health here is still concerned with more

conventional problems such as pediatric type 2 diabetes which is

becoming epidemic.

I turned to her first when I got sick and the most she could tell me

was " stay away from the toxins that are making you sick. " This, my

friends, is as far as the medical community has gotten! So sure there

are subjects " related " to MCS in medical school, but the subject

itself is not addressed.

> I was in a pre med program and microbiology is part of the

cirriculum...as

> there are questions on the MCAT involving micro.

>

> Other cllasses believe it or not are genetics, cell bio, cell

physiology and

> biochem.

>

[Guest guest]

Type 2 Diabetes is a huge problem. This has many factors...One, is

that everything you look at has high fructose corn syrup. Who do you

thank for that? General Mills and Kelloggs and Coca Cola and Frito

Lay. Look at any bag of chips, food snacks that the kids eat and it

it (high fructose) there as the first or second ingredient.

Then, look at the minutes of physical education the kids have. It is

cut out in many systems due to " time on task " in the classroom, and

budget cuts. Next, look at the fact that for safety and other

reasons, most kids don't walk to and from school.

So, you have a food pyramid that is driven by the agri-business, where

corn can be tainted (mold) in the silo, and the wheat farming is

essentially in the same place; pasta, which is fine in moderation, but

not for the serving amounts that was recommended, and the lunches

that the kids eat in school.

The food pyramid is set up for long distance runners, not your every

day low to moderately active person. The kids are doomed before they

start.

I feel that asthma and diabetes are related. If a kid is inactive from

asthma (or an adult for that matter) your likelihood of being a

diabetic increases with inactivity. It is like the slippery slope. It

is only in strong programs, that offer asthmatic children a swimming

program (in a clean pool) or other non-triggering activity, do some of

these kids have a chance. Believe me, there are many overweight kids

in school, and young girls who are overweight often get their first

menses earlier. This is just an observation of a career teacher. The

kids need to move and get a good deal of exercise, everyday.

The schools that I noticed placed a good emphasis on physical ed, were

the Florida schools, where the activity was really 'built into' the

day. The weather must be a great influence. The northeast could take

a lesson from them.

MCS is not in the forefront and neither is the air quality (or lack,

thereof) issue. And frankly, there may be a lot of lawyers, ( don't

even start with the jokes, please) but very few who know anything

about air quality (or lack thereof).

Both medicine and law need to " put their heads together " and make some

meaningful changes. Most environmental lawyers are involved in

wetlands, permitting for wetland projects, Superfund cleanup from

industry or the military, water issues, water rights, etc., and are

not yet into the IAQ issue except " tangentially " because of Workers

Comp issues.

2008©

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> My daughter did her residency in Pediatrics and got a Master's in

> Public health from Mount Sinai Hospital in New York City. This is an

> excellent school and sorry to say MCS and its related issues are NOT

> in the forefront. Maybe because she has me as her mother, my daughter

> decided to pursue a wider area to practice in-hence the master's.

> However. the Board of health here is still concerned with more

> conventional problems such as pediatric type 2 diabetes which is

> becoming epidemic.

> I turned to her first when I got sick and the most she could tell me

> was " stay away from the toxins that are making you sick. " This, my

> friends, is as far as the medical community has gotten! So sure there

> are subjects " related " to MCS in medical school, but the subject

> itself is not addressed.

>

> > I was in a pre med program and microbiology is part of the

> cirriculum...as

> > there are questions on the MCAT involving micro.

> >

> > Other cllasses believe it or not are genetics, cell bio, cell

> physiology and

> > biochem.

> >

>