RE: Europeans Know Mold

[Guest guest]

DITTO!!!!!!! If I could tolerate alcohol I'd drink to that!! Most of

them(except the select few we all know) are worse than STUPID they are dumber

than

a pile of rocks!!!

[Guest guest]

Joe - You are 1000% correct!

When I first became sick, research was more primitive than now, and

what was available in the States was sparse, except what Canada had on

its sites and the agro sites had in this country.

I remembered AIDS research done collaboratively with the French to

work on treatment, and decided to look abroad as well. And there are

docs here (like Johanning) who have bi-continental experience. It

would seem that some of those countries have systems less pharma-

driven than ours.

The military trained docs (those whose huge student loans are

forgiven) know about these toxins. It is in their training.

[Guest guest]

Joe: The American medicine community is totally uneducated as to molds and

mycotoxins because of the medical school system and medical history dating back

before the turn of the 19th century and its reversal centered around the 1930s.

Prior to then few chemicals known as mycotoxins existed, but medical

practitioners knew very well that certain species of fungi could cause serious

disease states. This lack of education was by by choice and plan, not by

chance. There is a good book authored by Ralph W. Moss, " The Cancer Industry "

that gives us a birds eye view of the politics involved and being played on

American citizens. Check out the Merck Manual Chapter 158, 17th Ed., " Medical

Mycology " or Fungal Diseases and read for yourself what is known to the medical

profession. Opossums want you to think they are sleeping when they are actually

quite awake... sorta' like a few " laid back " American doctors I know... add to

that folks who hang out together in the " slime " when it comes to conflictive,

highly questionable research study involving a rat or two, and what you get is a

real smelly situation. No, the real reason we are different than the Europeans

is that they tend to be highly ethical, while our system of economics does not

support or encourage the study of live micro fungi and mycotoxins that either

are used to create saleable products or are too uncontrollable to eliminate in

saleable products. " Follow the money, " and you will find the " stink! "

Have a Blessed day,

Doug Haney

[Guest guest]

Joe,

I don't think they are stupid, I think they are lazy and have ego's they don't

deserve. & nbsp; I also think they should have to say there Hippocratic oathe

everyday they practice. & nbsp; I also think they should have to go back at least

every 5yrs for a month of of school & nbsp; and get caught up on all the latest

research. & nbsp; No exceptions and they have to pay for it themselves.

K

[Guest guest]

Joe: Military doctors certainly do know about mold exposures and health all the

way back to WWII, and in Vietnam human illnesses were thoroughly studied:

In 1962, the U.S. Army’s Tropic Test Center assigning more than 300 people under

command of the U.S. Army Test and Evaluation Command conducted research on

several aspects of environmental warfare activities including, heat, humidity,

solar radiation, insects, fungi, bacteria, rainfall that could cause an adverse

impact to the performance of man, machines, and materials in Vietnam. During

this unit’s research it is reported that this unit indeed established a

relationship with and conducted bacterial and fungal studies with the

HKU-Pasteur Research Centre located in Dalat, Vietnam. This laboratory was

previously responsible for the research behind major fungal disease problems

experienced by French soldiers fighting in Vietnam prior to initial American

involvement in 1959. (Source:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/fort-clayton.htm)

Fungi/fungal diseases have always been problematic for the military whenever

fighting hostilities happen to occur in tropical areas or areas of high levels

of temperature and dust. The military unit mentioned is still in business today.

Wouldn't you like to review some of those files? Sorry, national defense.

Take care,

Doug Haney

@...: ginloi@...: Tue, 3 Jun 2008

01:23:46 +0000Subject: [] Re: Europeans Know Mold

Joe - You are 1000% correct!When I first became sick, research was more

primitive than now, andwhat was available in the States was sparse, except what

Canada had onits sites and the agro sites had in this country. I remembered AIDS

research done collaboratively with the French towork on treatment, and decided

to look abroad as well. And there aredocs here (like Johanning) who have

bi-continental experience. Itwould seem that some of those countries have

systems less pharma-driven than ours. The military trained docs (those whose

huge student loans areforgiven) know about these toxins. It is in their

training.

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A " pile " of rocks would be giving to much credit in my opinion.

From: ssr3351@... & lt;ssr3351@... & gt;

Subject: Re: [] Europeans Know Mold

Date: Monday, June 2, 2008, 8:46 PM

DITTO!!!!!!! If I could tolerate alcohol I'd drink to that!! Most of

them(except the select few we all know) are worse than STUPID they are dumber

than

a pile of rocks!!!

[Guest guest]

I am well aware of other countries, especially the UK having more info out the

the US but am I wrong in my opinion that the entire reason for that all boils

down to a liability issue. It seems to me in other countries people are more

concerned with their health that who is responsible. This takes me back to the

YouTube video posted about the Fox News cover up about the milk thing. Every

other country including & nbsp;Canada banned the process but our news

organizations were busy covering it up.

While on the cover up subject this reminds me of a story I saw not long ago The

Tokars murder in Atlanta. Fred Tokars was a lawyer who got a posh job for the

pharmaceutical companies. It was made clear through the trial of the murder of

his wife that when you work for them they want you to crawl in bed with them as

well. He did this and as his wife gained to much knowledge of his doings he

hired someone to kill his wife. There was cocaine and allot of controversy

involved. & nbsp;So much so that it clouded everything other than that he had his

wife killed but this show brought out much of these details so much so that it

rocked Atlanta's world. & nbsp;Thats pretty hard to do.

I just dont understand about all the cover ups in this country....

& nbsp;

Chris...

[Guest guest]

I agree with you in part on the UK...They are still allies in war, of

the US, and so, my " jury " is out with regard them. The DID

acknowledge veterans «exposure» injuries in some manner close to the

early millenium - I don't remember the year...

The pharma scenario, I am not familiar with. It is shocking. But

when you take industry money, they become " stakeholders " in the

landscape and they always want a " return " for their " investment. "

That is not to say that some pharma involvement is all bad. We all

live out of our medicine cabinets. That is for sure. But, that said,

pharma has tried to eradicate every " non-traditional " remedy that has

come into the distribution chain. Read the story of " ESSIAC " ©.

I always try to remember what aspirin is " willow bark " and it is

credited with saving lives for centuries. I believe the Native

Americans introduced it to the «colonists» several hundred years ago.

I am personally wary of any ties to pharma, since they may be looking

to develop 'vaccines' against reactions to mold, or mycotoxins...God

Only Knows (a famous favorite song of mind) what they have on the

drawing board. We have all seen too much money flying around the

medical profession and influence peddling by their big bucks. After

all, their big bucks are made HERE; that is why people want to buy out

of the US.

Thanks for sharing that awful tale.

2008©

[Guest guest]

Simple: " Cover-ups in this Country " Why? Figure out the math. Unscrupulous

people in power positions who like making money + protecting the American

economic system of cash flow at any cost... even forgoing health and safety =

keeping the masses " ignorant " and the economy growing in competition with world

business interests.

Best, Doug Haney

@...: unitedstatesvet@...: Mon, 2 Jun

2008 23:02:23 -0700Subject: RE: [] Europeans Know Mold

I am well aware of other countries, especially the UK having more info out the

the US but am I wrong in my opinion that the entire reason for that all boils

down to a liability issue. It seems to me in other countries people are more

concerned with their health that who is responsible. This takes me back to the

YouTube video posted about the Fox News cover up about the milk thing. Every

other country including & nbsp;Canada banned the process but our news

organizations were busy covering it up.While on the cover up subject this

reminds me of a story I saw not long ago The Tokars murder in Atlanta. Fred

Tokars was a lawyer who got a posh job for the pharmaceutical companies. It was

made clear through the trial of the murder of his wife that when you work for

them they want you to crawl in bed with them as well. He did this and as his

wife gained to much knowledge of his doings he hired someone to kill his wife.

There was cocaine and allot of controversy involved. & nbsp;So much so that it

clouded everything other than that he had his wife killed but this show brought

out much of these details so much so that it rocked Atlanta's world. & nbsp;Thats

pretty hard to do.I just dont understand about all the cover ups in this

country.... & nbsp;Chris...

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[Guest guest]

Joe,

This is an *extremely* useful document.

THANK YOU!

On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Joe Salowitz <josephsalowitz@...> wrote:

> In stark contrast to the American allergy medical establishment, Europeans

> know mold, and it's serious effects, when they see it. Here is an excerpt

> from the Journal " Allergy " , whose full name is " The European Journal of

> Allergy and Clinical Immunology " . The link, at the end of this excerpt, will

> take you to the full article, which requires your entire summer vacation to

> read.

>

> We have to accept the reality, that without a miracle, we will continue to

> live in a country, which is medically backwards and out-of-date, compared

> with the rest of the industrialized world. I don't believe that there is a

> massive conspiracy between the medical profession and the Insurance

> Industry. After talking with many medical professionals, I have concluded

> that, as with many of our political leaders, they are just STUPID.

>

> Joe

>

[Guest guest]

This being my point exactly. So here is the ignorance of this way of thinking.

" Growing competition " When your competition is doing better than you are (like

the euro dollar at the moment) the smart one would look at what the other side

is doing to get ahead. It makes sense to me that if your people are healthy they

are more productive which equals more prosperity. but to put your key statement

in perspective. " unscrupulous people in power positions who like to make money "

This will be the downfall of this country. The military I served in under this

flag taught just the opposite. without teamwork we are doomed to failure.

Its a sick bit of truth isn't it?

& nbsp;

Chris...

From: Haney & lt;_Haney52@... & gt;

Subject: RE: [] Europeans Know Mold

Date: Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 10:08 AM

Simple: " Cover-ups in this Country " Why? Figure out the math. Unscrupulous

people in power positions who like making money + protecting the American

economic system of cash flow at any cost... even forgoing health and safety =

keeping the masses " ignorant " and the economy growing in competition with world

business interests.

Best, Doug Haney

From: unitedstatesvetDate: Mon, 2

Jun 2008 23:02:23 -0700Subject: RE: [] Europeans Know Mold

I am well aware of other countries, especially the UK having more info out the

the US but am I wrong in my opinion that the entire reason for that all boils

down to a liability issue. It seems to me in other countries people are more

concerned with their health that who is responsible. This takes me back to the

YouTube video posted about the Fox News cover up about the milk thing. Every

other country including & amp;nbsp; Canada banned the process but our news

organizations were busy covering it up.While on the cover up subject this

reminds me of a story I saw not long ago The Tokars murder in Atlanta. Fred

Tokars was a lawyer who got a posh job for the pharmaceutical companies. It was

made clear through the trial of the murder of his wife that when you work for

them they want you to crawl in bed with them as well. He did this and as his

wife gained to much knowledge of his doings he hired someone to kill his wife.

There was cocaine and allot of

controversy involved. & amp;nbsp; So much so that it clouded everything other

than that he had his wife killed but this show brought out much of these details

so much so that it rocked Atlanta's world. & amp;nbsp; Thats pretty hard to do.I

just dont understand about all the cover ups in this country.... & amp;

nbsp;Chris. ..

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[Guest guest]

My relatives took part in such experiments.

Carol mentioned in the following article is my Mother's

sister. At her elementary school she remembered walking through

machines after recess much like the metal detectors at airports.

From July 25, 1994 issue of Newsweek page 61:

Fallout of an Invisible War Science: New controversy over army germ

testing

In 1953, Early in the cold war, U.S. army workers arrived in a lower-

middle-class neighborhood of Minneapolis with a set of small metal

boxes. No one questioned their explanations about testing air-raid

defenses - certainly not Carol , a first grader at Clinton

School. Even after the births of her three boys years later - one

learning-disabled, one a Down baby, another nicknamed " Mr. Bear "

because he can't speak, but only roars - , now 46, never gave

the boxes a thought. Nor did fellow alumna Diane Gorney, 50, though

she was aware that, like her, many of her old schoolmates were unable

to have children. " We used to joke that it was the water at

Clinton, " recalls Gorney. The joking ended in May, when a TV station

contacted both women. The army's metal boxes, reporters told them,

had been sampling the air for zinc cadmium sulfide, a mock

biololgical-warfare agent the army had been spraying from a roof near

the school. " As we found out more and more, " says Gorney, " we started

bawling our eyes out. "

Zinc cadmium sulfide is one of four substances the army long ago

admitted having sprayed over 239 sites to simulate covert biological

attacks. Between 1949 and 1969, when President Nixon halted

offensive germ-warfare efforts, army technicians misted the cadmium

compound over a St. Louis slum, broke light bulbs filled with

bacteria in the New York subways, fitted suitcases to spray

passengers at Washington, D.C.'s National Airport and shot

bacterial " aerosols " over the city of San Francisco. Since 1977,

when newspaper reports led congressional hearings on the spraying,

the army has claimed that the agents were harmless. Biologists

have answered that no large-scale release of bacteria should be

considered safe. Though the army was probably not knowingly spraying

toxic particles, all the simulants, experts, should have been tested

more stringently. " They didn't check the literature very carefully, "

says Meselson, professor of bio-chemistry at Harvard. " They

were sloppy. "

The clutch of damaged children in Minneapolis is being treated as

fresh evidence that the army didn't look hard enough for dangers. Of

15 women who were in her fourth-grade class, Gorney has found, seven

are sterile. The other eight have had 25 miscarriages among them.

More than a third of the class's offspring are retarded. But even a

localized crop of troubled pregnancies may be hard to pin on the

spraying. " These clusters come up very often, " says Dr.

Wilcox, cheif of reproductive epidemiology at th National Institute

of Environmental Health Sciences. Wicaz says the Minneapolis case

warrants further study, though he cautions, " Niney-nine out of 100

are coincidental. " In a 1981 trial, the army successfully argued

that an outbreak at rare bacterial infections that killed a man a

month after the San Francisco test in 1950 was pure coincidence. The

judge also ruled that the army had reasonable cause at the time to

think the bacteria were safe. In a report delivered to Minnesota

Sen. Wellstone last week, the army is apparently readying to

take the same position, disclaiming any adverse health effects while

admitting there is limited data on how cadmium affects childbearing.

Meanwhile, still struggles with her three boys. " I wouldn't

trade them in for anything, " she says. " But what did I do wrong? I

didn't take drugs. I just went to school. " To her, her kids aren't

all the army has to answer for. " At the very least, they violated

our civil rights and called it patriotism. " It's enough to give the

cold war a bad name.