Re: EdMcMann on Larry King

[Guest guest]

I've heard the Ed McMann story about 3 times in the past two days and each

time they have mentioned toxic mold! Hopefully he will talk more about it on

Larry King.

I think Ed Mc Mann will be on Larry King tonight. Did hear them mention

the toxic mold on one show today.

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In a message dated 6/6/2008 10:26:18 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

roe0325@... writes:

ok i clicked the wrong link there is a link that shows the interview.

but he is talking about about a neck injury - and that he cant sell

his house.

omg 7, million for mold!!! anyway they are talking about for a

minute or two. this IS the mold home. but he swears its clean.

Its not necessarily relevant if the house is now clean. It's a stigma

property from a highly publicized mold problem, in a down market. People have

many good options from which to choose. Why buy one known to cause prior

illness?

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I just came from larry kings site, he said maybe one minute about ed

mc mann's home going into forclosure. i think the story may have

been shortened due to the elections and now some stuff on gas prices

in malasia, now a commercial. no its done. i havent been to their

site in a long time. they used to have transcrips. i cant find any.

he also said that ed was broke. but said nothing about mold. go figure.

>

>

> I've heard the Ed McMann story about 3 times in the past two days

and each

> time they have mentioned toxic mold! Hopefully he will talk more

about it on

> Larry King.

>

> I think Ed Mc Mann will be on Larry King tonight. Did hear them

mention

> the toxic mold on one show today.

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

ok i clicked the wrong link there is a link that shows the interview.

but he is talking about about a neck injury - and that he cant sell

his house.

omg 7, million for mold!!! anyway they are talking about for a

minute or two. this IS the mold home. but he swears its clean.

>

>

> I've heard the Ed McMann story about 3 times in the past two days

and each

> time they have mentioned toxic mold! Hopefully he will talk more

about it on

> Larry King.

>

> I think Ed Mc Mann will be on Larry King tonight. Did hear them

mention

> the toxic mold on one show today.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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with

> Tyler Florence " on AOL Food.

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>

>

>

[Guest guest]

ROE/ALL:

What you do not know about the Ed McMann home mold story is that when I tried to

reach him during the mold situation with his home, his son is the one who was

handling his community affairs for the family. When I asked whether Ed McMann

would consider taking a lead role in helping to get the message out about the

health and safety issues, his son turned it down flat. No one wanted Mr. McMann

nor his family involved in anything like that. So much for Mr. McMann and

family, I am not one of his fans today. While he was busy wasting away more than

$7 million received after his dog died from mold exposures, people were dying

also. I do not have empathy nor time for people who cry about the exposures and

then turn and run after a settlement or judgment. It takes care and dedication

to human life and health to stand up and be counted. Mr. McMann could have truly

helped in many ways, esp., getting the message across to medical health

professionals nationally and internationally. Surprisingly, during that time, he

and his wife I understand were both claiming to have been adversely affected by

mold.

In this world if you choose to swim with the sharks then don't be surprised if

you should get caught in the fisher's net.

Best,

Doug Haney

[Guest guest]

Was the 7 million for property damage or for his dog and wife. Just

wondering. ---

[Guest guest]

It's sad to hear that. He probably signed something to keep quiet.

Many lawyers arrange that to get larger settlement.

He shows amazing bad judgement also in taking such a huge mortgage out

on such expensive house at age 85. I can't feel sorry for someone with

his recently former income and wealth, he could have bought a house

outright.

>

> ROE/ALL:

>

> What you do not know about the Ed McMann home mold story is that

[Guest guest]

Here within the Los Angeles area, it was top news all day yesterday

on Television News Breaks....And NOT onece did i hear any News Break

announce his home was not selling due to MOLD...but rather they

stated it was the activities of the Poparazzi, that was causing his

house to still be on the market!!! Knowing what mold growth can

do...How your very life can be lost within days and or months, I've

seen it first hand! and I don't care how fancy anyone gets with

saying you can't get sick from mold.....If the * & ^#@! Apple tree

hadn't grown, the apple wouldn't have fallen and cousin MEL would'nt

have choked on the *$^#@! apple seed! I wouldn't take the house if it

were FREE!

>

> Doug,

>

> Read your post about Ed McMahon. I feel the same way.

>

>

> Dear Mr. Hong,

>

> I was so sorry to read of Mr. McMahon's recent problems with

illness and

> foreclosure. No one would wish that problem on anyone. As I

understand it, one

> of the reasons for the lack of buyers of the property is that it

is a

> " stigma property " from the highly publicized mold problem of a few

years back.

>

> People all across the US have lost their homes to foreclosure from

a mold

> problem. This has been occurring even before the down turn in the

market.

> Unlike Mr. McMahon, many people have done battle with their

homeowners insurer

> for bad faith claims handling practices and improper mold

remediation, yet have

> not been able to receive multimillion dollar settlements or

judgements. Many

> have lost everything they own as they try to fight against a giant

industry

> with a solo practice attorney.

>

> These cases are expensive to fight. They are complex litigation.

The average

> homeowner cannot afford to put on a strong case....unlike Mr.

McMahon could

> afford to do.

>

> While I would never wish Mr. McMahon's current plight on anyone, I

am also

> aware Mr. McMahon took his multimillion dollar mold settlement and

did

> absolutely nothing to speak out and help others, less influential,

who were caught

> in the same situation.

>

> I find it difficult to have sympathy for man who understands that

it is

> devastating when you are ill and all you own is in jeopardy, who

has been in a

> position that he could have helped others going thru the same

plight by speaking

> out, who could have lobbied decision makers to help others and who

is now

> publicly portraying himself once again as a highly publicized

victim of an

> issue.

>

> Something tells me that if he is able to work this out with

Countrywide, no

> one who is currently suffering foreclosure because of mold or

illness or

> downturn in the market, will benefit one iota, except Mr. McMahon.

>

> I too live in California. I too had a botched remediation of my

home. I too

> had illness in my family. I too went thru the workout department

of

> Countrywide to address our mortgage. I too went thru litigation

with our insurer to

> conclude with a favorable settlement. I too sold a mold stigma

property at a

> diminished, but acceptable value. I too could have selfishly

walked away

> from the issue that is so devastating to so many, because I got

mine.

>

> I chose a different path. Mr. McMahon, with his celebrity status,

could have

> made a real difference in the lives of many, had he chosen the

same one. I

> wish him the best in his dealing with Countrywide. I only wish

that his

> experiences and successes would help others, but I am not hopeful

they will.

>

> Sincerely,

> Sharon Kramer

>

>

>

>

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>

>

>

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In a message dated 6/7/2008 5:47:53 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

roe0325@... writes:

i agree on the ed mcmann issue. and so do all the writers on the

larry king web site. He wouldnt talk about his neck injury eather so

i am sure there is a law suit there. and he probably signed some kind

of confidentialty agreement in the mold suit. hey you are not going

to get a seat across from larry king so you dont get that much money

if any money! but Ed - Americas grandpa. ahh poor thing. yah know

they are going to pay him hush money. and he obviously lived beyond

his means. so now he sits accross from larry king for a televised

real estate veiwing. just amazing what the rich and famous get away

with. my heart is not at all bleeding!.--w

I don't have a problem with Mr. McMahon using his celebrity status to help

him work things out with Countrywide. I just wish he would have used it to

help others work out their problems. I do have to say, that Countrywide was

very good to us as we went thru the mold issue and we were carrying two house

payments. They agreed to allow us to take our 15 year loan out to 30, charged

us nothing to redo the loan and gave us a very good rate. Even offered us 3

months of non-payment where the unpaid principle would be added to the loan. I

think they realized we were in it together. When we sold the house, after

all the litigation was over, we sold it at about $100K less than the appraised

value, even in its then current state because of the stigma and the unknown.

Again, we turned to Countrywide to do the loan. At first, they were not

terribly interested. But when they realized that either they did the loan or

we were just going to give them a stigma property, not fully reconstructed, if

they didn't help...they decided to do it. The new buyers pulled out

carpets, the HVAC system, etc. They are fine in it today. The buyer of the

home is

a contractor. Ours was a cross-contamination issue just like McMahon's.

Because our daughter has CF, it just was not worth the risk to us to find out

if

the house could ever be okay again or not. I really did not care enough

about all we owned to take the chance we would have to, to find out the answer.

As far as never living in McMahon's home. As I understand it, the home was

fully remediated and the contents were discarded. If I remember correctly,

much of the funds Mr. McMahon received were for lost memorabilia. So, I don't

think it is a matter of the home still being a health hazard for those who

are not extremely susceptible. It is the stigma of owning a property that had

a highly public mold home. It is bad Karma. Its just like most people don't

like to buy homes where there has been a violent death on the property.

Remember Heaven's Gate? They tore that house to the ground and still had

problems selling the land. Add to this, the market has turned down. The guy

is 85

years old. The decor most likely reflects this. I would think that he will

probably end up working out a short sale, where the bank agrees to take less

than what is owed to satisfy the sale. And entering into Countrywide's

decision making process would be the bad publicity from foreclosing on

America's

grandpa.

I have no problem with Mr. McMahon working out his financial difficulties.

I hope he does. But, it is ironic that this man was able to receive a

sizable settlement from his homeowner insurer for the mold, took his settlement

while knowing how traumatic this is for people, and then did not lift a finger

to help anyone else -average citizens- going thru the same thing, when he was

sitting in a position that his words could have helped thousands. I hate to

sound like Sharon Stone, but I think this newest dilemma..could just be Bad

Karma. As I understand it, his wife at the time of the mold debacle,

McMahon, still has lung complications.

Sharon K

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[Guest guest]

i agree on the ed mcmann issue. and so do all the writers on the

larry king web site. He wouldnt talk about his neck injury eather so

i am sure there is a law suit there. and he probably signed some kind

of confidentialty agreement in the mold suit. hey you are not going

to get a seat across from larry king so you dont get that much money

if any money! but Ed - Americas grandpa. ahh poor thing. yah know

they are going to pay him hush money. and he obviously lived beyond

his means. so now he sits accross from larry king for a televised

real estate veiwing. just amazing what the rich and famous get away

with. my heart is not at all bleeding!.---

In , snk1955@... wrote:

>

> Doug,

>

> Read your post about Ed McMahon. I feel the same way.

>

>

> Dear Mr. Hong,

>

> I was so sorry to read of Mr. McMahon's recent problems with illness

and

> foreclosure. No one would wish that problem on anyone. As I

understand it, one

> of the reasons for the lack of buyers of the property is that it is a

> " stigma property " from the highly publicized mold problem of a few

years back.

>

> People all across the US have lost their homes to foreclosure from a

mold

> problem. This has been occurring even before the down turn in the

market.

> Unlike Mr. McMahon, many people have done battle with their

homeowners insurer

> for bad faith claims handling practices and improper mold

remediation, yet have

> not been able to receive multimillion dollar settlements or

judgements. Many

> have lost everything they own as they try to fight against a giant

industry

> with a solo practice attorney.

>

> These cases are expensive to fight. They are complex litigation.

The average

> homeowner cannot afford to put on a strong case....unlike Mr.

McMahon could

> afford to do.

>

> While I would never wish Mr. McMahon's current plight on anyone, I

am also

> aware Mr. McMahon took his multimillion dollar mold settlement and did

> absolutely nothing to speak out and help others, less influential,

who were caught

> in the same situation.

>

> I find it difficult to have sympathy for man who understands that it

is

> devastating when you are ill and all you own is in jeopardy, who has

been in a

> position that he could have helped others going thru the same plight

by speaking

> out, who could have lobbied decision makers to help others and who

is now

> publicly portraying himself once again as a highly publicized victim

of an

> issue.

>

> Something tells me that if he is able to work this out with

Countrywide, no

> one who is currently suffering foreclosure because of mold or

illness or

> downturn in the market, will benefit one iota, except Mr. McMahon.

>

> I too live in California. I too had a botched remediation of my

home. I too

> had illness in my family. I too went thru the workout department of

> Countrywide to address our mortgage. I too went thru litigation

with our insurer to

> conclude with a favorable settlement. I too sold a mold stigma

property at a

> diminished, but acceptable value. I too could have selfishly

walked away

> from the issue that is so devastating to so many, because I got mine.

>

> I chose a different path. Mr. McMahon, with his celebrity status,

could have

> made a real difference in the lives of many, had he chosen the same

one. I

> wish him the best in his dealing with Countrywide. I only wish

that his

> experiences and successes would help others, but I am not hopeful

they will.

>

> Sincerely,

> Sharon Kramer

>

>

>

>

> **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch " Cooking

with

> Tyler Florence " on AOL Food.

> (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4? & NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

as i read your reply all i could think was karma works in mysterious

ways. you do know he was worth like 200 mil once. -

-- In , snk1955@... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 6/7/2008 5:47:53 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> roe0325@... writes:

>

>

>

>

> i agree on the ed mcmann issue. and so do all the writers on the

> larry king web site. He wouldnt talk about his neck injury eather so

> i am sure there is a law suit there. and he probably signed some kind

> of confidentialty agreement in the mold suit. hey you are not going

> to get a seat across from larry king so you dont get that much money

> if any money! but Ed - Americas grandpa. ahh poor thing. yah know

> they are going to pay him hush money. and he obviously lived beyond

> his means. so now he sits accross from larry king for a televised

> real estate veiwing. just amazing what the rich and famous get away

> with. my heart is not at all bleeding!.--w

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I don't have a problem with Mr. McMahon using his celebrity status

to help

> him work things out with Countrywide. I just wish he would have used

it to

> help others work out their problems. I do have to say, that

Countrywide was

> very good to us as we went thru the mold issue and we were carrying

two house

> payments. They agreed to allow us to take our 15 year loan out to

30, charged

> us nothing to redo the loan and gave us a very good rate. Even

offered us 3

> months of non-payment where the unpaid principle would be added to

the loan. I

> think they realized we were in it together. When we sold the

house, after

> all the litigation was over, we sold it at about $100K less than

the appraised

> value, even in its then current state because of the stigma and the

unknown.

> Again, we turned to Countrywide to do the loan. At first, they

were not

> terribly interested. But when they realized that either they did

the loan or

> we were just going to give them a stigma property, not fully

reconstructed, if

> they didn't help...they decided to do it. The new buyers pulled out

> carpets, the HVAC system, etc. They are fine in it today. The

buyer of the home is

> a contractor. Ours was a cross-contamination issue just like

McMahon's.

> Because our daughter has CF, it just was not worth the risk to us to

find out if

> the house could ever be okay again or not. I really did not care

enough

> about all we owned to take the chance we would have to, to find out

the answer.

>

> As far as never living in McMahon's home. As I understand it, the

home was

> fully remediated and the contents were discarded. If I remember

correctly,

> much of the funds Mr. McMahon received were for lost memorabilia.

So, I don't

> think it is a matter of the home still being a health hazard for

those who

> are not extremely susceptible. It is the stigma of owning a

property that had

> a highly public mold home. It is bad Karma. Its just like most

people don't

> like to buy homes where there has been a violent death on the

property.

> Remember Heaven's Gate? They tore that house to the ground and

still had

> problems selling the land. Add to this, the market has turned

down. The guy is 85

> years old. The decor most likely reflects this. I would think

that he will

> probably end up working out a short sale, where the bank agrees to

take less

> than what is owed to satisfy the sale. And entering into Countrywide's

> decision making process would be the bad publicity from foreclosing

on America's

> grandpa.

>

> I have no problem with Mr. McMahon working out his financial

difficulties.

> I hope he does. But, it is ironic that this man was able to receive a

> sizable settlement from his homeowner insurer for the mold, took

his settlement

> while knowing how traumatic this is for people, and then did not

lift a finger

> to help anyone else -average citizens- going thru the same thing,

when he was

> sitting in a position that his words could have helped thousands.

I hate to

> sound like Sharon Stone, but I think this newest dilemma..could

just be Bad

> Karma. As I understand it, his wife at the time of the mold

debacle,

> McMahon, still has lung complications.

>

> Sharon K

>

>

>

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with

> Tyler Florence " on AOL Food.

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>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sharon ~

Thanks for the explanation of the " short sale " - most people,

including myself, until fairly recently did not understand what that

" term of art " means, but that was a simple and beautiful explanation.

I agree with you about the McMahon thing. It is surprising that the

news read that he was in a toxic mold home, and he had better and

quicker access to legal people, more than the average Joe. I am

surprised and disappointed that he did not use his " celebrity " status

to advance the knowledge base, and reach out to push the envelope

thought governmental channels.

The only thing that I can think of is that his " compensation " may have

included a deal where he would not go public about the mold. I hope

that this is the case. It would be a shame, not to mention the

" karma " thing not to give back to those who ended up with " less than

nothing " and no means to fight the system. Clearly, he had the tools

to fight.

I did not get initially why the program with Larry King was focused on

the " foreclosure " thing. His " celebrity " status was certainly in

place, there. How many people get to cry to Larry King that they were

foreclosed upon? After the first few minutes, I switched channels.

It impressed me as self-serving, with regard the foreclosure; if it

helps out a few people with this foreclosure nightmare, then he did do

some good.

But, not unlike yourself, it is disappointing the program was not used

to advance the problems and awareness of the mold issues. He did get

two bites at the apple. Once for mold, again for foreclosure.

[Guest guest]

ROE/ALL:

Why is it that when times get tough, that often people who are in the very best

of positions on earth to help their fellow man before life's unfortunate

circumstances fail them personally, are the first to cry the loudest publicly

about their losses hoping that someone, anyone, will bail them out. No matter

what people like Mr. McMann earn or obtain socially over a lifetime, what has it

all been worth, what value does it have, if they failed to stand up and be

counted when injustices were being inflicted upon people of far less fortunate

circumstances. As a Christian I have conflicts: 1) I am suppose to feel sorry

and pray for his healing. That I am trying to do. 2) As a Vietnam veteran and

former combat medic who witnessed what diseases caused by microorganisms can do

to the human body, Mr. McMann's failure to assist those who have suffered with

the injustice surrounding micro fungi exposures and health, I could now care

less about his particular fiscal situation and only pray that his health does

improve.

Best,

Doug Haney

@...: _Haney52@...: Fri, 6

Jun 2008 10:52:37 -0700Subject: RE: [] Re: EdMcMann on Larry King

ROE/ALL: What you do not know about the Ed McMann home mold story is that when I

tried to reach him during the mold situation with his home, his son is the one

who was handling his community affairs for the family. When I asked whether Ed

McMann would consider taking a lead role in helping to get the message out about

the health and safety issues, his son turned it down flat. No one wanted Mr.

McMann nor his family involved in anything like that. So much for Mr. McMann and

family, I am not one of his fans today. While he was busy wasting away more than

$7 million received after his dog died from mold exposures, people were dying

also. I do not have empathy nor time for people who cry about the exposures and

then turn and run after a settlement or judgment. It takes care and dedication

to human life and health to stand up and be counted. Mr. McMann could have truly

helped in many ways, esp., getting the message across to medical health

professionals nationally and internationally. Surprisingly, during that time, he

and his wife I understand were both claiming to have been adversely affected by

mold. In this world if you choose to swim with the sharks then don't be

surprised if you should get caught in the fisher's net. Best, Doug Haney

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His settlement was not gagged.

Travelers and American Equity and other related insurance entities:

$5,050,000

Kosters and Southern California Insurance Adjusters: $250,000

California Power Vac: $3,000

Benchmark: $750,000

Pacific Health and Safety: $250,000

Alliance: $500,000

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