Re: Questions Re: My Dad (Has Vascular Dementia)

[Guest guest]

WOW! April. I haven't had this type of experience. Would it be possible to

bring him home with you for a day, and see how he acts? If he is still doing

the paper routine, then you'll know it isn't his fault. Of course you will

have to watch him like a hawk if you don't want a plugged toilet.

Like you, I would have to ask for help. My idea is just a suggestion, and

maybe way off base.

Imogene

In a message dated 9/4/2006 1:57:00 PM Central Daylight Time,

aswest1021@... writes:

Hi Everyone,

I hope I can still post some questions here, even though my FIL now

is said to have PSP, rather than LBD, and my own dad has vascular

dementia with obsessive-compulsivdementia with obsessive-compulsiv<WBR

some of you here could help me weed through an issue I'm facing.

As you will recall, my dad was put into a nursing home about 3 weeks

ago because, after suffering several mini-strokes, he was no longer

able to living independently. Well, since being in the nursing

home, he has been stuffing his sink and toilet with paper towels and

toilet paper to the point that they've overflowed several times.

The latest incident happened two nights ago and the overflow flooded

three rooms and it seeped between the walls and flooded the floor

below. It took the plumber 2-3 hours to unplug his toilet from all

the debris. A nurse told my brother yesterday that she walked in on

my dad trying to stuff the toilet with an entire roll of toilet

paper. When she came in, she said he put the roll behind his back

like he was trying to hide it. My brother said this is all part of

the OCD he has. My sister-in-law even said that she has seen my dad

take a paper towel and wipe his hands with it and throw it away.

Then, he'll grab another one and another one and it continues on.

She said it's as though he can't stop himself. As far as I know, he

wasn't like that before he entered the nursing home. My husband

brought up a point to ponder. He asked if my dad could be

overflowing the toilet and sink on purpose to get kicked out of the

nursing home. Could that be a possibility? Doesn't the fact that

he tried to hide the roll of toilet paper behind his back show that

it was a conscious decision and he knew it was wrong? The nurse

even said that my dad tried to throw a punch at her yesterday.

That's just so unlike my dad. I know he's having problems, but I

didn't know it was to this extent. Could he be trying to get kicked

out so that he can go back to his apartment (which he no longer

has)?

Thanks,

April

[Guest guest]

aprilour loved ones are frquently accused of knowing what they are doing becuase

they ;hide waht they did, or apologize for waht they did, but i truly believe

that they cannot contorl what they did, when my dad was either yelling or

screaming at me, or fingerpaintign the walls with his poopoo, he would have this

grin on him like he knew what he was doing, but i dont bleive that he did, i

believe the disesase just takes away all of their inhibition. which is why they

dont know what they do i s wrong, but because of the way we react is how they

acan tell something they did /said wasnt ''good'

pleaes dont think your dad is intentionally misbehaving he doesnt understand

right /wrong. hugs, sharon m

---- aswest1021 wrote:

Hi Everyone,

I hope I can still post some questions here, even though my FIL now

is said to have PSP, rather than LBD, and my own dad has vascular

dementia with obsessive-compulsive disorder. I just thought maybe

some of you here could help me weed through an issue I'm facing.

As you will recall, my dad was put into a nursing home about 3 weeks

ago because, after suffering several mini-strokes, he was no longer

able to living independently. Well, since being in the nursing

home, he has been stuffing his sink and toilet with paper towels and

toilet paper to the point that they've overflowed several times.

The latest incident happened two nights ago and the overflow flooded

three rooms and it seeped between the walls and flooded the floor

below. It took the plumber 2-3 hours to unplug his toilet from all

the debris. A nurse told my brother yesterday that she walked in on

my dad trying to stuff the toilet with an entire roll of toilet

paper. When she came in, she said he put the roll behind his back

like he was trying to hide it. My brother said this is all part of

the OCD he has. My sister-in-law even said that she has seen my dad

take a paper towel and wipe his hands with it and throw it away.

Then, he'll grab another one and another one and it continues on.

She said it's as though he can't stop himself. As far as I know, he

wasn't like that before he entered the nursing home. My husband

brought up a point to ponder. He asked if my dad could be

overflowing the toilet and sink on purpose to get kicked out of the

nursing home. Could that be a possibility? Doesn't the fact that

he tried to hide the roll of toilet paper behind his back show that

it was a conscious decision and he knew it was wrong? The nurse

even said that my dad tried to throw a punch at her yesterday.

That's just so unlike my dad. I know he's having problems, but I

didn't know it was to this extent. Could he be trying to get kicked

out so that he can go back to his apartment (which he no longer

has)?

Thanks,

April

--

Daugher of Leonard, diag May 2004, had lbd since 1993, had hip surgery from fall

7/05, aspiration pneumonia 7/05 with pulmonary embolyis, had aspiration

pneumonia and uti 8/05, died of blood pressure drop on 9/25/05,

may he rest in peace with his mom and dad,

a smile a day keeps the meanies away

[Guest guest]

I agree June,

We have heard that so often here. " Is she/he faking it? " And I remember when I

thought the same thing. Their thinking process is to faulty to do that.. I

don't think it has anything to do with real reasoning. They simply cannot

reason that well by the time their symptoms are noticeable.

That's my vote anyway.

Donna R

Caregave for Mom (after I brought her from WI to MI) for 3 years and 4th year in

a nh.

She was almost 89 when she died in '02. No dx other than mine.

Re: Questions Re: My Dad (Has Vascular Dementia)

I don't think he is doing it on purpose either so that

he can be kicked out. I don't think they have that

kind of reasoning powers left. One of the women in

the NH where my husband is comes into his and his

roomate's bathroom and uses it all the time. She also

takes paper towels and folds them into fourths and

places them on the shelves, in Darrell's dresser

drawers, and anywhere else. Same with tissues. She

gets into his night stand and puts several sleeping

gowns in the drawer, eats the candy I have in there

for him, moves things around, and also leaves some of

her things in there. Found a key chain, a pair of

pearls, and one houseslipper in there at various

times. She also has put her shoes in the room as

well. (Maybe she's got a crush on my hubby.) Tonight

when I came in and put his clean clothes in the

closet, the clothes I had brought in the day before

were taken off the hangars, folded, and put on the

closet shelf. She was a former DON in a hospital in

another county, and I just think she's reliving her

nursing days. She tries to clear the tables, scrape

off the food before they have time to chart what

anyone eats, and constantly says she's got to get

things done. So, I don't think they know what they

are doing. Obsessiveness, as I look back, became a

part of my husband's behavior. He had never been one

to help do things in the house, or if he did, it was

any old way. Later, after the disease started,

anything he did had to be done " just so " and often

done over and over again to get it that way. Of

course, not knowing what the disease was at that time,

I just figured he had more time on his hands and was

being more particular. Is there some way they could

put only a few sheets of paper towels in at a time and

at least keep them out of the stool? Surely there is

some way someone can figure a way to " outsmart " him.

--- aswest1021 wrote:

> Hi Everyone,

>

> I hope I can still post some questions here, even

> though my FIL now

> is said to have PSP, rather than LBD, and my own dad

> has vascular

> dementia with obsessive-compulsive disorder. I just

> thought maybe

> some of you here could help me weed through an issue

> I'm facing.

>

> As you will recall, my dad was put into a nursing

> home about 3 weeks

> ago because, after suffering several mini-strokes,

> he was no longer

> able to living independently. Well, since being in

> the nursing

> home, he has been stuffing his sink and toilet with

> paper towels and

> toilet paper to the point that they've overflowed

> several times.

> The latest incident happened two nights ago and the

> overflow flooded

> three rooms and it seeped between the walls and

> flooded the floor

> below. It took the plumber 2-3 hours to unplug his

> toilet from all

> the debris. A nurse told my brother yesterday that

> she walked in on

> my dad trying to stuff the toilet with an entire

> roll of toilet

> paper. When she came in, she said he put the roll

> behind his back

> like he was trying to hide it. My brother said this

> is all part of

> the OCD he has. My sister-in-law even said that she

> has seen my dad

> take a paper towel and wipe his hands with it and

> throw it away.

> Then, he'll grab another one and another one and it

> continues on.

> She said it's as though he can't stop himself. As

> far as I know, he

> wasn't like that before he entered the nursing home.

> My husband

> brought up a point to ponder. He asked if my dad

> could be

> overflowing the toilet and sink on purpose to get

> kicked out of the

> nursing home. Could that be a possibility? Doesn't

> the fact that

> he tried to hide the roll of toilet paper behind his

> back show that

> it was a conscious decision and he knew it was

> wrong? The nurse

> even said that my dad tried to throw a punch at her

> yesterday.

> That's just so unlike my dad. I know he's having

> problems, but I

> didn't know it was to this extent. Could he be

> trying to get kicked

> out so that he can go back to his apartment (which

> he no longer

> has)?

>

> Thanks,

> April

>

>

>

>

>

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