Re: How to treat epstein barr?

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Complete wheat / gluten elimination and then valtrex. Our NT son had

this too and it was the only way to get rid of it. Vatrex alone did not

help. Once he went GFCF and did the vatrex the titers went down!

Caryn_Reid wrote:

> I have high titers for epstein barr. Has anyone successfully treated

> this? Valtrex has not helped it. I would love to hear ideas.

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I know I've posted this before and it may not be your " cup of tea " , but

I've been using a homeopathic series by Deseret Biologicals. My son

and I have been on it for almost 4 months. When we're done, I'll let

you know how we muscletested. I do have to say that my extreme

exhaustion is gone!! Here's the site for the product that we use:

http://www.desbio.com/database.html?id=HT001 & s=Epstein%20Barr%20Remedy

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> this? Valtrex has not helped it. I would love to hear ideas.

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How long did it take? I already tried this for 3 months (on myself)

and my titers afterward and my persistent sore throat (although

possibly from another source) where the same.

Caryn

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I am very open to these things. However, I will probably try

acyclovir next. )

Caryn

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[Guest guest]

Caryn,

I also have high Epstein Barr in addition to a few other issues. I

eliminated gluten, dairy, corn, soy and nightshades. I added

colostrum, olive leaf, GSE, monolaurin with digestive and systemic

enzymes. Also the standard fish oils and probiotics. I have a ways to

go, but did notice the most improvement after the colostrum and OLE

which took about a month. I added these about 3 months ago and have

been working on this for about a year and a half (with the diet part).

I do rotate in various other things, but what I have mentioned seemed

to have the most impact.

Jane

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[Guest guest]

It should be treated as a mitochondryal issue (krebs's cycle)... starting with the liver...DETOX, DETOX ,DETOX...Antivirals, The Glutatione and Carnosine LW Patches,MB12, Probiotics and OSR!!!

And Vasodilation therapy along with brain and other organ support!!!

Love, Gabby. :0)

http://stemcellforautism.blogspot.com/

"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry Newport

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Hi Caryn from Sue,

There is a doctor (Associate professor at UC Irvine) from this group who has used the LW Glutathione patches for his wife with Fibromyalgia/ EBV...and her levels of GSH went from about 450 before the patches...to 1066--after using the patches regularly for about 6 months...and she is doing VERY well..now --and he gave me persmisiion to tell the group.

They are now using the Patches for his son with autism ..(whose now pulling metals...according to his testing..and the doc himself plans to use the LW GSH patches,too.

There is much written about glutathione for viral conditons like HHV6../Herpes,etc.. and I have two sources below..

My husband also experienced first hand benefits of using Glutathione himself.. with a Herpes strain =Shingles.--by using the LW glutathione booster patches on New Years Eve.. 2006. After having incredibly stressful 3 weeks of

helping his sister move and put his mom in a nursing home.. only to come back home and then his mom DIED one week later..

..He went to emergency on New Years with EARLY of stage HHV6 / Shingles... He WAITED to get the prescription filled for Zovirax..

So I suggested he put the LW Yage glutathione patches on... 2 -days later --ALL symptoms were GONE and he did not have to use the meds.)

Thinking he was doing fine.. he stopped wearing the patches... but after 2 weeks.. the Shingles pain started coming back..and so he put the patches on again.. and AGAIN 2 days later ALL pain went away.... so he see's the incredible

benefits of keeping his Glutathione levels HIGH...) (Glutathione is very mutipurpose..antiviral, antibacterial, a great immune builder and chelator of metals and toxins, pathogens ,etc..)

We have not had ANY colds now for two years as

we TRIPLE the normal time of wearing of the patches ---

ALONG with TRIPLE extra Zinc

AND -----TRIPLE Extra antioxidants AT the FIRST sign of PRE-cold symptoms.

It's soo nice to have good immunity now.. ( since I had been sick VERY often before.)

Below are TWOsources that discuss the role of Glutathione for HHV6...and much more..( Glutathione helps over 200 conditions.. and has over 60,000 hits in the search engine. And as we all know Low Glutathione is prevalent with Autism.)

Many Autism Recoveries have included Glutathione in their protocol.

“One of the most important factors in keeping WHITE BLOOD CELLS active is their supply of glutathione, a substance manufactured by our bodies” says Dr. Jimmy Gutman, a specialist in emergency medicine, and former Chief Resident in Emergency Medicine at Emory University in Atlanta, “there is an impressive amount of research on glutathione and infectious diseases such as AIDS” and HERPES. GSH Glutathione Blocks VIRAL Infection; AIDS, HIV and raising glutathione

Dr. Gutman points out that glutathione depletion will eventually exhaust any ability of the WHITE BLOOD CELLS to keep fighting, so without a CONSTANT supply, we lose the battle. The trouble is that glutathione is RAPIDLY consumed on a daily basis through normal metabolism, illness and even exercise. GLUTATHIONE protects against INFECTIOUS Diseases

Turns out that “raising your glutathione is an effective way to ensure a strong body and vigorous resistance to microbial diseases such as Herpes and HIV AIDS,” according to Dr. Gutman. "

------I also found this history interesting of CFS..and included a few paragraphs of interest of how

low GSH and sulfur depletion are related to EBV and HHV6 ...from the same report.

The 3rd paragraph notes the relationship to low levels of glutathione (GSH) and diarrhea, and cognitive ability.

This article also focused on Fluoride damage..

It also reminds me how important it is to have topical sulfur like Epsom salts baths or sulfur ointment or homeopathic sulfur with GSH..due to the ozone layer depleting sulfur.

THE CHRONIC FATIGUE SYNDROME REPORT

Final Diagnosis: Environmental Toxic Pathway Analysis and Immune System Cytokine Modality Provide Key Insight into Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Mechanism and Etiology of Varied Pathogen Driven Illnesses.

By: J. E. Phelps Copyright 2005 Abstract:

"The term "CFS" (or CFIDS) made its national appearance in the mid 1980's with the investigations of Dr. Cheney concerning sick persons in the area of Lake Tahoe, on the California and Nevada border. Most of these CFS persons were fine one day and came down with mononucleosis like illness the next, with flu like symptoms persisting. In 1999, Cheney described the illness as one that depleted glutathione, used much ATP, and showed a very significant up regulation in an enzymatic pathway known as the 2-5A RNase L.[3] Looking for toxic exposure factors, the waters of Lake Tahoe are pristine, but the area is of volcanic origin that contaminate some wells and soils with volcanic materials. Well waters are often contaminated with higher levels of arsenic, manganese, radium, radon, and fluoride than surface waters. South Lake Tahoe has public water supplies from wells that have metal contamination, often associated with volcanic zones or mining. South Lake Tahoe water reports have specific caution for immune compromised persons because of these pollutants.[4] Cheney's CFS Tahoe cluster diagnosis was made possible by detection of new chemical bio-markers, but CFS is not new as it appears to be symptomatically reported in 1750 and in other terms in earlier periods.[5] It is also speculated that the biblical story of Jesus healing the person by the well is even earlier evidence of the illness. The Cheney / Tahoe mononucleosis like illness is associated with swollen lymph node from activation of EBV, HHV-6, and other viral pathogens that are associated with follow on disease factors, like MS.[6, 7] Glutathione (GSH) depletion is associated with the cellular oxidant repair process and detoxification of tissues and it is lowered by chemical and pathogen damage to mitochondria of cells that manufacture ATP.[8, 9] Lowered GSH can hasten cell apoptosis and is an indicator in chronic disease, cancer, arthritis, and rapid aging.[10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15] Glutathione is important in liver detoxification and in maintaining the mucosa cells that line the intestine.[16, 17] Selenium associated Glutathion depletion drives shifts in cytokine mode from Th1 to Th2.[18] "

One of the prime CFS symptoms is that of frequent diarrhea and this again is associated with the levels of GSH and SOD in the cells of the gut walls. Persons with CFS and GWI generally have impaired levels of GSH and SOD enzymes. This effect is made much worse in the local area of the gut when these persons drink excessive levels of sugar-laden colas or other sugary foods. Processed sugar is a GSH and SOD antagonist and this promotes high levels of free radical damage to the cells of the gut wall. The high rates of free radical damage causes the gut cells to sluff-off with lots of water much as a blister type effect from a burn. The same type effect occurs from the radiation intestinal death effects for acute radiation doses that make the same levels of ROS damage to the cells. The extreme damage from the high levels of ROS damage also cause damage to the blood vessels in the colon and cause bleeding hemorrhoid problems and loss of blood and essential trace metals. The high levels of ROS damage in these local cells also damages the Mn dependent 2-5A RNase L enzyme resulting in lots of local cells having active viral infection problems that involve the local lymph system. The problems of reduction in the cell production of GSH and SOD well define the mechanism of problems like persistent diarrhea and even the issue of loss of cognitive abilities from similar problems in the brain.

These intestinal effects are even spoken of in the Biblical Narrative with recognition of guts like stinking sulfur bogs. The Biblical Narratives also speak to the use of the plant called "Aloe Vera" as a type of medicine. Aloe Vera has very high levels of both the enzymes GSH and SOD. The high levels of SOD in the plant is why it is often used so effectively to treat burns, as it corrects for the free radical damage effects to cells. Persons seeking to correct for the free radical damage of their intestinal tract often consume Aloe Vera juice.

The UV and Ozone Hole problem has severely upset the global sulfur cycle upon which the Se-GSH system depends for adequate sulfur. The ocean plankton levels have been reduced which causes an increase in the global CO-2 levels and a loss of DMS that is formed from the process that regulates cloud formation. The loss of cloud seeding by the DMS causes the bulk of the global warming problem via loss of reflective clouds for the IR radiation reflection. Plankton are the world's largest CO-2 sink and the largest system that places sulfur into the human and animal food chain. When the DMS is impacted by UV radiation, it lowers the DMS, DMSO, and MSM pathway into the human chain to supply the levels of sulfur needed by GSH in the liver and cells to remove toxic metals from the body. This systemic loss of sulfur stores causes a metabolic ACIDOSIS and HYPERTHYROID shift in the population that results in CFS and many other immune illnesses.

Sue comments = while this article was ALSO noting the damaging effects of fluoride,

HERE the last sentence in it's conclusion:

"The depletion of GSH will lead to discovery of problems with the global sulfur cycle from ozone hole effects damaging the DMS levels needed to support hepatic clearance of toxic metals and prevent hyperthyroid type shifts and metabolic acidosis leading to CFS and other immune system illnesses. This report is a comprehensive and broad based discussion illustrated with practical examples and referenced to peer reviewed scientific journals to show the key effect in CFS and human immune health." Posted by: "Ca How to treat epstein barr? ryn_Reid" caryn_reid@... Caryn_Reid

Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:53 pm (PDT)

I have high titers for epstein barr. Has anyone successfully treated this? Valtrex has not helped it. I would love to hear ideas.Caryn

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I had active Epstein Barr for a few years. The best thing I found for

it was targeted transfer factors from Researched Nutritionals. The

people there are great about helping you figure out which of their

products to use. I buy them through Payne in Virginia, at

Living Well Today.

I now have normal levels of antibodies and the extreme fatigue is

gone. I also did the Deseret homeopathic things, and they may have

helped, not sure. It took quite awhile to get better.

Nobody I went to suggested acyclovir to me, maybe because I mostly see

naturopaths and alternative folks like that.

Terri

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Gabby,

What do you use to support the brain and what is vasodilation therapy? We just started the patches this week.

Thanks,

Re: How to treat epstein barr?

It should be treated as a mitochondryal issue (krebs's cycle)... starting with the liver...DETOX, DETOX ,DETOX...Antivirals, The Glutatione and Carnosine LW Patches,MB12, Probiotics and OSR!!!

And Vasodilation therapy along with brain and other organ support!!!

Love, Gabby. :0)

http://stemcellforautism.blogspot.com/

"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry Newport

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Vasodilation is a therapy used by a Neurologist in Florida, specialized in stroke and some ASD patients... he uses both natural and prescription vasodilators to open and fix & correct the flow in the colapsed vessels... I use the natural supplements that vasodilate like Vinpocetine, Ginkgo Biloba, Huperzine A, etc.... and Brain support: Fatty acids Phosphatidyl serine & choline... Sphingolin, and more....

Love, Gabby. :0)

http://stemcellforautism.blogspot.com/

"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry Newport

[Guest guest]

Thanks Gabby

Re: How to treat epstein barr?

Vasodilation is a therapy used by a Neurologist in Florida, specialized in stroke and some ASD patients... he uses both natural and prescription vasodilators to open and fix & correct the flow in the colapsed vessels... I use the natural supplements that vasodilate like Vinpocetine, Ginkgo Biloba, Huperzine A, etc.... and Brain support: Fatty acids Phosphatidyl serine & choline... Sphingolin, and more....

Love, Gabby. :0)

http://stemcellforautism.blogspot.com/

"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry Newport

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[Guest guest]

to revert the thread to Epstein Barr for a moment - reading up on

colloidal silver this morning, EBV was one of the things it was said to

be effective for!!

natasa

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specialized in stroke and some ASD patients... he uses both natural and

prescription vasodilators to open and fix & correct the flow in the

colapsed vessels... I use the natural supplements that vasodilate like

Vinpocetine, Ginkgo Biloba, Huperzine A, etc.... and Brain support:

Fatty acids Phosphatidyl serine & choline... Sphingolin, and more....

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[Guest guest]

You can get through this link if you would like

http://www.lifewave.com/hubsmom

Thanks

Kerrie

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www.lifewave.com/MGD

Love, Gabby. :0)

http://stemcellforautism.blogspot.com/

"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry Newport

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That price from Ovitaminpro is for 15 patches though right? The lifewave price is $89.95 for 30 patches so the price is the same. If you become a lifewave distributor you pay $25 to become a distributor and can then get 30 patches for $69.95 starting with your first order. The first order would cost $5 more than ordering the patches alone, but every order after that would save you $20 each time you order glutathione or other patches. The carnosine patches are great for our kids as well.

Kerrie

http://www.lifewave.com/hubsmom

I just ordered the LW Glutathione patches from OVitaminPro.com for $45.00 + they ship anything UPS for $1.00 ! I think this price is alittle better.

Re: Re: How to treat epstein barr?

You can get through this link if you would like

http://www.lifewave.com/hubsmom

Thanks

Kerrie

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I just ordered the LW Glutathione patches from OVitaminPro.com for $45.00 + they ship anything UPS for $1.00 ! I think this price is alittle better.

Re: Re: How to treat epstein barr?

You can get through this link if you would like

http://www.lifewave.com/hubsmom

Thanks

Kerrie

In a message dated 11/1/2008 2:16:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, nevada1983 writes:

Where can you buy the glutathione patches?. Thanks so much!. Shan

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Hi from Sue,

Another nice thing about using a website from someone in this group..is that

most of them --are connected to the nonprofit site and building points..so everyone is contributing indirectly to funds for Autism research and /or to contributions to other families having children with autism.

For example.. I just received another $302.00 in proceeds from that LW non profit site on Friday 10/31/08 per Global exchange and was able to DONATE it to a family in THIS group who is very needy.. and is also doing clincal research with the patches. All of the 100% proceeds -- before this-- were donated to ARI. ..but as I announced yesterday..I'm expanding the donations to people in this group who are needy & doing research,too..

Another factor....Persons in this group are more aquainted with how to use them more specifically for autism so it's good to get direct help from those website members who have more experience with how to use them for autism ---then just picking a website online who may not be able to help that much.

And Like Kerry said.. next time you order.. you could save about 20.00 on each order by joining ..yourself..

plus many are able to recoup totals costs of using them if you share your own FREE website (that comes with the 25.00 member fee).....with a few friends in your community, etc.

Most anyone I know --in this group---would be glad to send you ONE packet of 15 patches --directly from their home..if you'd rather.. than getting the DOUBLE packet that is standard on most websites... at the same price you bought yours on that website below..---45.00 plus one dollar shipping.

---Another thing ----- since most dramatic gains are seen between 3-6 months of continous use..

It's to your advantage to get the member pricing...that would bring that cost down to 35.00 per packet plus shipping.

Or down to 69.95 --for the double packets = 2month supply ---plus shipping ( & taxes if in CA only) compared to 89.95 retail price.

Hope that makes sense..when considering your next purchase.

I don't post Sundays..so ask Kerrie or others if you have any questions that I may not be explained well

Thanks,

Sue

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Posted by: "ratlenhum@..." ratlenhum@... thehubsmom

Sat Nov 1, 2008 5:00 pm (PDT)

,That price from Ovitaminpro is for 15 patches though right? The lifewave price is $89.95 for 30 patches so the price is the same. If you become a lifewave distributor you pay $25 to become a distributor and can then get 30 patches for $69.95 starting with your first order. The first order would cost $5 more than ordering the patches alone, but every order after that would save you $20 each time you order glutathione or other patches. The carnosine patches are great for our kids as well.Kerrie_http://www.lifewave.com/hubsmom_ (http://www.lifewave.com/hubsmom) In a message dated 11/1/2008 7:52:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, douglas.mccallumatt (DOT) net writes:I just ordered the LW Glutathione patches from OVitaminPro.com for $45.00 + they ship anything UPS for $1.00 ! I think this price is alittle better. Re: Re: How to treat epstein barr?You can get through this link if you would like_http://www.lifewavehttp://www.l_ (http://www.lifewave.com/hubsmom) ThanksKerrieIn a message dated 11/1/2008 2:16:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _nevada1983yahoo (DOT) nev_ (mailto:nevada1983) writes:Where can you buy the glutathione patches?. Thanks so much!. Shan**************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001)

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Kerrie,

Thanks for the info. I feel so stupid. Live and learn

Re: Re: How to treat epstein barr?

You can get through this link if you would like

http://www.lifewave.com/hubsmom

Thanks

Kerrie

In a message dated 11/1/2008 2:16:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, nevada1983 writes:

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