Is this true?

[Guest guest]

Does that mean to use them together not 1 at a time like 1 on the

on-days and the other on the off-days.

>>> comtesse_de_provence@... 9/22/2005 12:23:46 AM >>>

I am leaning toward chelating with ALA (mostly because I like the idea

of a " mild " chelation and I've already used this myself).

But one thing that concerns me is information I've read indicating that

ALA should never be used alone. How true is this?

" Alpha lipoic acid should not be used alone, as it only mobilizes

mercury with a weak bond. Without additional chelators present, such as

DMPS or DMSA, the mercury may just redistribute elsewhere in the body

instead of being removed. "

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[Guest guest]

> Does that mean to use them together not 1 at a time like 1 on the

> on-days and the other on the off-days.

I don't know that I understand what you are asking.

Alpha lipoic acid is a chelation agent, so someone

using it is " on " a chelation agent.

The safest effective way (I know of) to use ALA is to

give it (or take it) every THREE hours, including at night.

This is fine with or without using DMSA/DMPS also.

Does that answer your question at all?

good wishes,

Moria

>

> >>> comtesse_de_provence@y... 9/22/2005 12:23:46 AM >>>

> I am leaning toward chelating with ALA (mostly because I like the

idea

> of a " mild " chelation and I've already used this myself).

>

> But one thing that concerns me is information I've read indicating

that

> ALA should never be used alone. How true is this?

>

> " Alpha lipoic acid should not be used alone, as it only mobilizes

> mercury with a weak bond. Without additional chelators present,

such as

> DMPS or DMSA, the mercury may just redistribute elsewhere in the

body

> instead of being removed. "

[Guest guest]

> But one thing that concerns me is information I've read indicating

that ALA should never be used alone. How true is this?

I used it alone for all four of my kids, until they tolerated other

supplements. It is probably best to give it with vitamin C and/or

selenium, for the antioxidant properties, but giving it alone also worked.

> " Alpha lipoic acid should not be used alone, as it only mobilizes

mercury with a weak bond. Without additional chelators present, such

as DMPS or DMSA, the mercury may just redistribute elsewhere in the

body instead of being removed. "

I used antioxidants for this issue, not additional chelators.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> > But one thing that concerns me is information I've read indicating

> that ALA should never be used alone. How true is this?

This is not true at all.

Andy . . . .

[Guest guest]

Ok guys, I read today on a health info. websight that some molds are

used in making yogurt? Anyone know is there is any truth to this? I

just about live on the stuff and this is very alarming to me! Anyone??

Thanks Diane

[Guest guest]

Sandy I did a quick search and found that quote from a website from a

mom from North Dakota with no reference to where she came up with it

from...but her quote is quoted on other sites. I submitted an email in

the " contact us " section because I wanted to ask her if there are 4

children in North Dakota that were diagnosed with apraxia because I

didn't know there were any (and are 3 of the 4 diagnosed dyslexic

too?!!)

Seriously I never heard this before. Dr. Stordy wrote The LCP Solution

TEN YEARS AGO about the links between dyslexia, ADHD and dyspraxia -but

that's the closest we came to looking into this as forget Waldo -

where's apraxia research?! We don't even know for sure how many

children are apraxic so it would be amazing to know the percentage of

apraxic children with dyslexia -hahaha -funny 75% my foot. Anyway -

based on this group it's for sure not at all an accurate percentage.

OK -anyone here want to call me out? Am I wrong? Was there some super

secret apraxia/dyslexia study done that nobody told anyone but the mom

in North Dakota about?

Now how many children with apraxia have a family member with

dyslexia...'that' could be 75%...that seems to be a bit more possible.

Let's do a quick poll. Anyone here have a child with apraxia that has

a relative with dyslexia or ADHD? My sister was diagnosed with

dyslexia and my brother with ADHD, and Tanner's brother Dakota was

diagnosed with ADHD.

Ooooh just found another quote!!!

" 75% of what you read on the Internet is made up "

(I made that up -or did I?)

=====

[Guest guest]

Mark is not dyslexic (thank goodness) but his Auntie had some slight issues with

dysgraphia and some type of minor learning issue that were never really

diagnosed. But really calling her LD of any type would really be a stretch.

Today, this same auntie has IBS.

We have no other learning issues with any of the cousins or aunts, uncles or

other relatives...... just Mark.

Janice

Mother of Mark, 13

[sPAM][ ] Re: Is this True?

Sandy I did a quick search and found that quote from a website from a

mom from North Dakota with no reference to where she came up with it

from...but her quote is quoted on other sites. I submitted an email in

the " contact us " section because I wanted to ask her if there are 4

children in North Dakota that were diagnosed with apraxia because I

didn't know there were any (and are 3 of the 4 diagnosed dyslexic

too?!!)

Seriously I never heard this before. Dr. Stordy wrote The LCP Solution

TEN YEARS AGO about the links between dyslexia, ADHD and dyspraxia -but

that's the closest we came to looking into this as forget Waldo -

where's apraxia research?! We don't even know for sure how many

children are apraxic so it would be amazing to know the percentage of

apraxic children with dyslexia -hahaha -funny 75% my foot. Anyway -

based on this group it's for sure not at all an accurate percentage.

OK -anyone here want to call me out? Am I wrong? Was there some super

secret apraxia/dyslexia study done that nobody told anyone but the mom

in North Dakota about?

Now how many children with apraxia have a family member with

dyslexia...'that' could be 75%...that seems to be a bit more possible.

Let's do a quick poll. Anyone here have a child with apraxia that has

a relative with dyslexia or ADHD? My sister was diagnosed with

dyslexia and my brother with ADHD, and Tanner's brother Dakota was

diagnosed with ADHD.

Ooooh just found another quote!!!

" 75% of what you read on the Internet is made up "

(I made that up -or did I?)

=====

[Guest guest]

I tend to concur with Maureen here. Reversals of letters is pretty much the

norm of ALL kids right up to the end of grade 2 and some even to grade 3.

I think that your time would be better spent working physically if you find

yourself worried. Doing monkey bars, climbing, playing catch, playing Eye Spy

or Where's Waldo with those big picture books; all of these work binocular

vision, visual motor and eye teaming and scanning. Focus on good development at

the stage where you are currently at and then when it is age appropriate, you

can address other comorbid conditions if they raise their ugly heads. But be

careful about creating a problem where none exists. Though our dyspraxic kiddos

often have terrible visual motor skills.... stories of older kids and adults

tell me that most don't suffer dyslexia and that reading has been their

'amaaaaaazing' skill. It certainly has been this way for Mark.

Take care.... you carry a big enough load already.... work on that one first

because when you fix it, a lot of other potential problems will be averted.

Good luck and take care,

Janice

Mother of Mark, 13

[sPAM][ ] Re: Is this True?

My husband thinks he's dyslexic but I can assure you Tara is NOT! Nor

has anyone mentioned any sort of learning disability! Her Apraxia has

been linked to her Hyrdrocephalus/CP and genetic deformities. We were

both tested- she is a unique case in our family for her genetic issues.

Like someone mentioned- when hubby was in grade school in very late

60's/early 70's- they did not look for a cause they just called you

stupid! He still gets numbers backwards often.

>

> Now how many children with apraxia have a family member with

> dyslexia...'that' could be 75%...that seems to be a bit more possible.

>

> Let's do a quick poll. Anyone here have a child with apraxia that has

> a relative with dyslexia?

[Guest guest]

The one thing about CAPD and dyslexia that that share is that while

dignosed later, the signs are there earlier.

> >

> my daughter hits on a lot of

> > these dyslexia characteristics, and dyslexia and auditory

processing

> > Not that we want any of these additional

> > problems, but ruling them out or addressing them early on is

> vital--especially

> > counting in order, remembering the order of the letters of the

> alphabet, reversing b and d p and q and riming, poor phonemic

> awareness etc. Well I certainly hope she doesn't have additional

> issues but just in case, I'm reading because I can't count on the

> school system or the doctors to catch anything, I've learned that. 

>

[Guest guest]

Isn't that it, that visual stuff can be comorbid but it is not always

dyslexia. Could be hyperlexia, or that thing where one is gifted in

thatthey can read upside down, etc.

>

> Years ago I attended a very large symposium on Dyspraxia and it was

indicated that 90% of children diagnosed with speech issues also had

comorbid conditions. This could be dyslexia, dysgraphia, CAPD,

dyspraxia, autism.... the list is endless. While the conditions may

be comorbid, they are very separate conditions and require extremely

different treatment approaches. Again, no one size fits all in our

world!

>

> I suspect that this is because neurological issues tend to occur in

clusters; one system breaks down, and then another follows.

>

> In our household, we have never had an issue with dyslexia though

my son does indeed have visual motor issues. Quite the opposite

actually, Mark has always had superior decoding abilities and tests

out years ahead of his age group in reading.

>

> My NT daughter had a minor speech delay as a child and definately

fits into that 10% grouping. This is because her speech issue

stemmed from chronically inflamed tonsils, adenoids and a deep-rooted

inner ear infection. Once that was cleared up, normal deveopment

ensued. So..... her problems did not stem from a neurological cause

but from a physical problem with her ears, nose and

throat. .....very different.

>

> Janice

> Mother of Mark, 13

>

>

> [sPAM][ ] Re: Is this True?

>

>

> Don't mean to pop the bubble but our kids also have overlaps of

> symptoms they attribute to many other conditions including but

not

> limited to dyslexia. You can believe what you want about your

> preschool aged (?!!) child -but I know from my 6th grader as well

as

> the other older apraxic children in the group as well as from

Kathy

> who is a teacher and mother to 10YO twins with apraxia that it's

bogus.

>

> As I say here: http://www.cherab.org/information/adhd-speech.html

> 1. Speech and language disorders are frequently attributed as

part

> of another diagnosis.

>

> 2. Speech and language disorders are often undiagnosed.

>

> So if you are going to assume your child is dyslexic based upon

some

> articles you probably also want to sign your kid up for the rest

of

> the disorders on this page

> http://www.cherab.org/information/adhd-speech.html

>

> As I always say -if you assume your child is learning disabled or

you

> assume they are not...you are right.

>

> PS I have a sister with dyslexia and a son with apraxia -HUGE

> difference!!!

>

> =====

>

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[Guest guest]

Maureen,

If anyone responds I'd like to know. I for one have an apraxia child with ALOT

of dyslexia in the family. I have to admit, I wasn't hit with this. I was the

youngest kid in my family and at 16 my older brothers and sisters made me drive

all over Houston with them as passengers. I barley knew how to drive! I learned

years later that they all depended on me for my sense of direction. They could

never remember if they were to to left or right, and even turned into traffic on

one occation. I surely hope Shyann never has this problem!

[ ] Re: Is this True?

My husband thinks he's dyslexic but I can assure you Tara is NOT! Nor

has anyone mentioned any sort of learning disability! Her Apraxia has

been linked to her Hyrdrocephalus/CP and genetic deformities. We were

both tested- she is a unique case in our family for her genetic issues.

Like someone mentioned- when hubby was in grade school in very late

60's/early 70's- they did not look for a cause they just called you

stupid! He still gets numbers backwards often.

>

> Now how many children with apraxia have a family member with

> dyslexia...'that' could be 75%...that seems to be a bit more possible.

>

> Let's do a quick poll. Anyone here have a child with apraxia that has

> a relative with dyslexia?

[Guest guest]

Yep.... we have that hyperlexia. I find it odd that it is considered an NDD

since to me it is an absolute gift. Once we got the auditory processing caught

up so that comprehension matched up to the decoding skills.... Mark was and

continues to be an 'amaaaaaazing' reader!

Of course, with the hyperlexia, we have the hyper-periferal vision and since

this drastically affects visual motor skills and central detail vision....

well.... not so fun! I think that when you have hypotonia, your central detail

vision might be more likely to get compromised since your head is not 'stable'

on top of your body.

We are working central detail vision really HARD now and boy, is it slow going!

That is one you definately want to attack young! It's so hard to remediate as

they get older.....

Vision is a very complex issue for many of our kids! (but certainly not all of

them) But.... we don't have dyslexia, thank goodness.... we seem to have all of

the other dys... functions though! Dysgraphia, dyspraxia..... ooooh, fun, fun,

fun!

Janice

Mother of Mark, 13

[sPAM][ ] Re: Is this True?

Isn't that it, that visual stuff can be comorbid but it is not always

dyslexia. Could be hyperlexia, or that thing where one is gifted in

thatthey can read upside down, etc.

[Guest guest]

I never thought of myself as gifted- but I've always been able to read

upside down! I can put the book on my lap and read to kids like a

librarian--it was never a big deal to me! Maybe with that " gift " and

my hubby's dyslexia- we got Tara's Apraxia! LOL. I do have good sense

of direction too!

>

> Isn't that it, that visual stuff can be comorbid but it is not always

> dyslexia. Could be hyperlexia, or that thing where one is gifted in

> thatthey can read upside down, etc.

>

>