Re: Chlamydia pneumoniae

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Thanks Everyone,

Now I can go to my GP and at least be some what knowledgeable about what I

want to ask him. Everyone on this list seems to be so willing to help. I

greatly appreciate it. Thanks again!!!

Judi

Re: Introduction and question

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>> >From: allan moore <afmoore1@...>

>> >

>> >Yes, Nico, you sure can. If I remember correctly (its been several

>> >years ago, so I'm hoping this is correct--right now I've got a little

>> >brain fog that's intefering with my reception!) I was on Biaxin and

>> >Flagyl concurrently for about three or four months. Cheney told me

>> >that research from Duke had shown that Biaxin would take care of the

>> >chlamydia pneumoniae bacteria BETWEEN the blood cells, but that to get

>> >to the bacteria which had penetrated INSIDE the blood cells, you had to

>> >use Flagyl, an antibiotic that is able to penetrate cell walls. This is

>> >why I was on both antibiotics at the same time. Only one problem:

>> >after being on such strong antibiotics for that length of time, I was

>> >left with a terrible systemic yeast infection. Cheney treated me for

>> >this with daily doses of Diflucan and probiotics (also for several

>> >months, as I recall). I still take the probiotics, in fact, just to try

>> >and " ward of " anything that might try to " set up shop " in my system!

>> >

>> >Sheri

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>> >nico vde wrote:

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>> >> From: nico vde <nvdeynde@...>

>> >>

>> >> Dear Sheri,

>> >>

>> >> May I ask how long you have been treated with the antibiotics ?

>> >>

>> >> NICO.

>> >>

>> >> At 10:22 23-07-99 -0500, you wrote:

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>> >> >Mike,

>> >> > Have you been tested for chlamydia pneumoniae? At one

>> >> >time during the course of this disease I kept getting sinus

>> >> >infections, which invariably traveled downward, going from

>> >> >sinus to throat to chest and ending up in a bronchial

>> >> >infection. Turned out after my blood was tested that I had

>> >> >chlamydia pneumonia. Cheney treated me for it (with two

>> >> >antibiotics--Biaxin & Flagyl) and I haven't had a bronchial

>> >> >infection since. Its worth a try.

>> >> >

>> >> >Sheri

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[Guest guest]

At 09.36 06/03/03, you wrote:

>I thought 'd run this by you all before calling up Coker-Vann agin, or

>bringing the results in to my doctor or whoever my next rheumatologist will

>be.

P.S. I realised from an answer in private, that I should have made clear

that my regular doctor does not speak English, and this precludes the most

obvious thing to do--having him call up Coker-Vann for an explanation.

I'm hoping that if I find an " open-minded " rheumy, he will also speak

English --though I have already translated the protocol and some other

material.

Thanks again,

Maureen

P.S. if anybody overseas wants to send a blood sample to the US for

testing, and does not know where to get the required purple label for this

type of shipment (non-hazardous biological material), I can send you a .gif

file to print, regulation size.

[Guest guest]

At 09.36 06/03/03, I had written :

>Oh, yes, the question:

>Do the (C. pneumoniae) antibody tests differentiate between past and present

>infection/exposure?

Thank you to those who wrote in private to indicate that several doctors

consider C. pneumoniae as playing a major role in rheumatic diseases.

As for the question, I got the answer in the most obvious way (I was hoping

to save the long distance call by writing you all ;-)), that is calling up

the lab myself and asking Dr. Coker-Vann. (I would have had my doctor call

but there is a language barrrier.)

She explained that the kind of test she did is IgM, and that if it is

positive it simply indicates active primary infection. It is the IgG that

has the titer which stays awhile after treatment and slowly goes down.

I found a nice article that explains the testing (tied to suspicions of C.

pnumoniae having to do with artherioschlerosis) , and lo and behold, the

hospital that did the test is 10 miles from me here in Florence Italy. So

this is heartening--if all else fails I'll see if I can get treated for

heart disease ;-))

Anyway, an excerpt from the article:

" C. pneumoniae acute infection induces IgM and IgG antibody production,

whereas in a secondary infection IgG and IgA antibody titers increase

rapidly without an IgM response.[17] Elevated IgG and IgA antibody levels

occasionally persist for a long time after primary infection and thus are

considered as an indication of chronic infection. "

Here is the article: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/417024

I will keep you all posted,

Maureen in Italy

[Guest guest]

It was formerly known as psittacosis or more commonly, " Parrot Fever " .

Follow your doctor's advice. However, if you don't have birds, don't

go into pet stores or zoos, the only other way to contract this disease is

from pigeons or other outside carriers unless you moved into a house

that was previously occupied by people who owned birds.

What tests were done to determine that you had this? Were x-rays

performed and read by a qualified pulmonologist? Let's hope that you

haven't been misdiagnosed or maybe HAVE been. Have others in your

building been diagnosed with pulmonary fibrosis?

Barth

S> I just found out that I have a bacteria infection called Chlamydia

S> pneumoniae. Does anyone know anything about this? Is it related to

S> mold exposure from a sick building? I have to be on antibiotics for

S> months and my doctor says people are hospitalized sometimes with this

S> infection. I'm researching it now but I thought I would ask if anyone

S> knew about this infection.

S> Sharon Hanson

[Guest guest]

Hi Sharon,

Never heard about it but anti-biotics have no medical effect on toxic mold

exposure.

If you have been exposed to toxic mold you need anti-fungal medication asap. And

CSM (cholesytramine) will help as well.

Talk to your Doctor about it.

Elias

From: Sharon <shha2002@...>

Subject: [] Chlamydia pneumoniae

Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 6:30 PM

I just found out that I have a bacteria infection called Chlamydia

pneumoniae. Does anyone know anything about this? Is it related to

mold exposure from a sick building? I have to be on antibiotics for

months and my doctor says people are hospitalized sometimes with this

infection. I'm researching it now but I thought I would ask if anyone

knew about this infection.

Sharon Hanson

[Guest guest]

there has been some anti-biotics prescribed to me that caused a bad

reaction,tell your doctors not to give you any mold drived abti-

biotics.. and they can cause yeast infection or flair ups. I dont

know but think it could be possable that exposure to certain fungi

and certain anti-biotic use could cause a bad reaction in the body,

kind of like two types of fungi that dont cohabitate. the invention

of penicillin was mycotoxins killing bacteria. evrythings so mutated

now, anything could be possable.

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[Guest guest]

I was tested for chamydia after my exposure, I asked my family doctor

ar that time who if he could do the special blood tests to detect

mycotoxins in my blood, he said sure. this is what he tested for.

well he was friends with the peoples who sold me that second moldy home

and he was tring hard to find something to blame my illness on besides

what it was. he's the reason I cant get any medical help here, only

misdiagnoses. I guess sence I cant say nothing good about him I'm dont

have nothing else to say. but at least I know I dont have any sexually

transmitted diseases. really nice when your doctor tries to imply your

something your not. not even close, but this is small town bs for ya.

just a drop in the hat of what I've been threw.

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry chlamydia pneumoniae is not a sexually transmitted disease.

You get it by breathing in the bacteria.

Sharon H.

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> I was tested for chamydia after my exposure, I asked my family doctor

> ar that time who if he could do the special blood tests to detect

> mycotoxins in my blood, he said sure. this is what he tested for.

> well he was friends with the peoples who sold me that second moldy

home

> and he was tring hard to find something to blame my illness on

besides

> what it was. he's the reason I cant get any medical help here, only

> misdiagnoses. I guess sence I cant say nothing good about him I'm

dont

> have nothing else to say. but at least I know I dont have any

sexually

> transmitted diseases. really nice when your doctor tries to imply

your

> something your not. not even close, but this is small town bs for ya.

> just a drop in the hat of what I've been threw.

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[Guest guest]

This is a bacteria infection and it releases two endotoxins when it

is killed. I thought Shoemaker said in his first radio show that

bacteria was more of a problem than fungi and toxins in a sick

building that's why I thought some of you might know about it.

Incidentally it is like mycoplasma pneumoniae in that it is on a

cellular level.

My exposure to mold was first from a medical procedure and than from

a very sick building. I got a really bad respiratory infection

during that time. I think this is where I may have picked up this

infection.

Sharon H.

[Guest guest]

oh, sorry, my head was somewhere else.

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> > I was tested for chamydia after my exposure, I asked my family

doctor

> > ar that time who if he could do the special blood tests to detect

> > mycotoxins in my blood, he said sure. this is what he tested for.

> > well he was friends with the peoples who sold me that second

moldy

> home

> > and he was tring hard to find something to blame my illness on

> besides

> > what it was. he's the reason I cant get any medical help here,

only

> > misdiagnoses. I guess sence I cant say nothing good about him I'm

> dont

> > have nothing else to say. but at least I know I dont have any

> sexually

> > transmitted diseases. really nice when your doctor tries to imply

> your

> > something your not. not even close, but this is small town bs for

ya.

> > just a drop in the hat of what I've been threw.

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[Guest guest]

Shoemaker said in his first radio show that

> bacteria was more of a problem than fungi and toxins in a sick

> building that's why I thought some of you might know about it.

I'm really glad this was stated again. After my exposure I have been

off and on DOXYCYCLINE, the only antibiotic that I found has helped

with my bacterial issues from the exposure. I had terrible boils

around my eyes come often during exposure that no other antibiotic

helped. I have also had Sporonox and other antifungals to help with

other compromises from the exposure. So I think it is really important

to realize that not only do we often need CSM, and antifungals, but

really sick buildings have a hell of a lot of bacterial contaminants

that compromise us as well. I might add that when one gets ill from a

sick building and the the immune system has crashed, one can find out

that you have many hidden viral issues which suddenly " spring " up.

Thank you Sharon for your comment.

[Guest guest]

Thanks to you salzberlver3 for validating what I was trying to say. I

crashed recently and had to go back on steroids and replacement

thyroid as well. It's still not helping with the fatigue and now with

this diagnosis and the antibiotics I'm told that I could herx.

The funny thing is I took some chlorine dioxide (the Miracle Mineral

Supplement (MMS))one day before going for a nap and low and behold I

experienced a lift. Chlorine dioxide kills all pathogens. I'm not

sure I believe that it is the cure all but I do think it reduces your

burden. I believe MMS is good for bacteria infections and many

people with Lyme disease are having luck with it. My problems is

because this disease has three life cycles, you have to stay on

either antibiotic or the MMS for a long period of time. I can't

tolerate the taste anymore.

The other thing I want to mention is that I belong to a website where

the parents believe their children have autism from Lyme disease.

They are doing some incredible work I can tell you. One woman posted

about a new drug that was reversing mental retardation in adults and

some behavioral issues in autistic kids. She wasn't treating her

children with it but she wanted to point out that it was an

antibacterial and the reason it was successful is because it was

curing a bacteria infection.

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> > building that's why I thought some of you might know about it.

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> I'm really glad this was stated again. After my exposure I have been

> off and on DOXYCYCLINE, the only antibiotic that I found has helped

> with my bacterial issues from the exposure. I had terrible boils

> around my eyes come often during exposure that no other antibiotic

> helped. I have also had Sporonox and other antifungals to help with

> other compromises from the exposure. So I think it is really

important

> to realize that not only do we often need CSM, and antifungals, but

> really sick buildings have a hell of a lot of bacterial contaminants

> that compromise us as well. I might add that when one gets ill from

a

> sick building and the the immune system has crashed, one can find

out

> that you have many hidden viral issues which suddenly " spring " up.

> Thank you Sharon for your comment.

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