Re: citrisafe - has anyone used it?

[Guest guest]

Jac,

You are right about it not replacing remediation - by remediation I

mean, physical removal of the mold growth and of surfaces that

cannot be cleaned. Nothing replaces that.

Can it otherwise help? Sometimes. Citrisafe is one of the very

few products whose main active ingrediant is a grapefruit seed

extract that seems to have a positive effect in slightly moldy

buildings. Notice that I said its " main active ingrediant " and not

the whole product. The company adds other " stuff " to it that you

and other individuals may need to be careful of. Their " fogging "

(what they call Bio-Balancing) process is as close to a magic

bullet I've seen but still is very limited and more like a magic dart

than a bullet unless conventional remediation is conducted first.

Because it is composed of " natural botanicals " they claim they

don't need EPA registration as a pesticide and their web site

page at http://www.citrisafecertified.com/ is carefully worded to

directly avoid pesticidal claims. Check with you regional EPA

office if you want to be sure. Go to

http://www.epa.gov/epahome/whereyoulive.htm and click on the

map at the bottom of the page.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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> Dear List,

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> I've tried googling this on the sickbuilding list and only saw some posts from

4/06. Has anyone since then had any experience with citrisafe for good or ill?

I've no experience with it nor do I promote or sell it and would be grateful for

any feedback. I personally don't believe it can replace remediation at all; but

was wondering if it could support or assist the process?

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> Many thanks for your help,

> Jac

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[Guest guest]

Carl,

Thanks very much for the considerate and thoughtful reply. I was concerned a bit

about what was not stated and the fact that altho they said that the msds rating

was zero that they didn't have a list of ingredients or anactual msds sheet. I

do wonder what else is in there and will persue the epa lead and get more info

from the company if possible. I heard about this from a friend who is having a

difficult time asertaining where and what is the source of the mold problem in

her home. I, myself know that remediation is indeed essential but was hoping

that if this product is indeed non-toxic it might assist in making our home,

once remediated more livable for me. I've been reading Dr. Shomaker's book and

am feeling a bit concerned about his take that remediation isn't the answer for

those who are have been made ill by mold toxicity. Do you, or others on the list

have any thoughts about Dr. Shomaker's take?

Again, many thanks for your partience and insight,

Jac

> You are right about it not replacing remediation - by

> remediation

[Guest guest]

Jac,

I know the owner of the company that makes Citrisafe, it's in

Denver. The owner has repeatedly refused to reveal any

ingredients not required on the MSDS for fear someone will steal

his proprietary product. I'm familiar with the grapefruit seed

extract used (discovered years before he formulated his) but not

the rest of the ingrediants. I'm particularly concerned about the

candles because of the combustion products.

As for Dr Shoemaker, as I understand it he is not saying

" remediation isn't the answer. " I think he is saying " remediation

isn't the only answer " for some of those made ill.

Another way of saying this is if the exposure to dampness

continues or recurs all those that got sick previously will get sick

again. And it won't stop until the exposure stops. Once the

exposure stops most will recover but about 23% will continue to

be ill without medical intervention. But even after medical

intervention (stopping the internal processes - which is not the

same as a cure) another exposure starts the illness all over

again.

I'm sure several on this group who have gone to Dr Shoemaker

can expand on this for you.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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> Carl,

>

> Thanks very much for the considerate and thoughtful reply. I was concerned a

bit about what was not stated and the fact that altho they said that the msds

rating was zero that they didn't have a list of ingredients or anactual msds

sheet. I do wonder what else is in there and will persue the epa lead and get

more info from the company if possible. I heard about this from a friend who is

having a difficult time asertaining where and what is the source of the mold

problem in her home. I, myself know that remediation is indeed essential but was

hoping that if this product is indeed non-toxic it might assist in making our

home, once remediated more livable for me. I've been reading Dr. Shomaker's book

and am feeling a bit concerned about his take that remediation isn't the answer

for those who are have been made ill by mold toxicity. Do you, or others on the

list have any thoughts about Dr. Shomaker's take?

>

> Again, many thanks for your partience and insight,

> Jac

>

>

> > You are right about it not replacing remediation - by

> > remediation

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> FAIR USE NOTICE:

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[Guest guest]

Jac, I have bought and use the citrisafe thingy that hangs on the wall kind of

like a bathroom deodorizer. I also have something called " nutrobiotic GSE "

although I cant try it because while taking the prescription xanax you are

suppose to avoid grapefruits. (now that I just wrote that I wonder if I need to

re evaluate this) Anyway, the citrisafe thus far I cannot say if it helps or

hurts. I can't smell it nor have I seem to had any reaction to it. So I truly

dont know if it helps or not. I got it just as a preventative measure. The place

I live now is not where I became ill but since I still react to many things it

seems my understanding is that it just helps keep your air safe or safer. That

being said as a user I cannot form any in particular opinion.

As far as Shoemakers perspective, He has a new webcast that goes through this in

great detail. http://www.biotoxin.info/webcasts On a personal level, due to the

cost of what it took to get away and try to get better which has not happened

yet I am to afraid of remediation at this point. It seems not enough people know

how to do it and those who do the cost is enormous. I agree with him on this

subject but I know it is not that easy being in the position. One thing I seem

to be learning though is that the bottom line is the bottom line in the end. The

only thing I would ask or state to you is that I think he is clear about the

fact that the people that need to pay really close attention to this are those

that are pre dispositioned to toxin, or multi sensitive related illness. The

first video (which does not load at the moment) explains this.

On a personal level Through time trial and error, I have found that if I dont

listen and follow Dr. Shoemakers advice to the " T " I do, and will become ill

again, and/or worse each time. This is my own opinion but it is time tested by

myself if that helps at all.

 

Chris...

[Guest guest]

Thanks very much Carl,

I'll have to re-read Mold Warriors to find out what Dr. S was saying. I think

his take seemed to be that remediatotion (or at least the ones he dealt with

when writing the book) couldn't get all the mold, including the dead spores,

etc. I personally feel that remediation in the right and experienced hands is

the best remedy. Certainly far better than doing nothing and far better than a

topical product. After reading Mold Warriors, I was a bit taken aback-- but I

will look at it again to make sure I haven't misread Dr. S's take.

I think CitriSafe actually is doing some tyoe of remediation work with the

product itself based on what I saw on their website.

Many thanks again for your time and advice,

Jac

> I know the owner of the company that makes Citrisafe,

> it's in Denver.

[Guest guest]

Thank You

I appreciate the feedback on both CitriSafe and Dr. S's take on remediation. I

tried looking at the video, but you are correct it doesn't load yet. For me

common sense requires that remediation is a neccesity when there is infiltration

of water/moisture and thereby mold. The problem of sensitivity that people can

have even after the fact is a key issue. And I did note that in some comments

Dr. S seemed to be talking about people who call themselves remediators and

don't know what they are doing. I'll have to look up any specifics he stated as

I don't want to misquote. But as I do live in a similar region to Dr. S, and

have been having a real difficult time finding credible remediators-- maybe that

is what he is saying. In any case, our goal is to find the best people we can

and regardless make the effort to take back our home. At this point we are

looking for people out of the area who may be willing to travel here.

Thanks again,

Jac

> Jac, I have bought and use the citrisafe thingy that hangs

> on the wall kind of like a bathroom deodorizer.