Fwd: How the global medical carteloperatesMUST READ: Sobering interview of an ex-vaccine researcher who has become a whistle-blower on the vaccine industry

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This is still the toxic tort umbrella.  Mold litigation is " toxic tort. " This

is amazing. 

This person being interviewed wrote under a pseudonym for self-protection.

Organized " medicine " paid more lobbying money than Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. 

Why do they have to invest so much money into the " system? "   

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Subject: MUST READ: Sobering interview of an ex-vaccine researcher who has

become a whistle-blower on the vaccine industry

" Q: What about the combined destructive power of a number of vaccines given to

babies these days? A: It is a travesty and a crime. ....the truth is, vaccines

are not safe. Therefore the potential damage increases when you give many of

them in a short time period. " ....If I had a child now, the last thing I would

allow is vaccination. I would move out of the state if I had to. I would

change the family name. I would disappear. With my family. I'm not saying it

would come to that. There are ways to sidestep the system with grace, if you

know how to act. There are exemptions you can declare, in every state, based on

religious and/or philosophic views. But if push came to shove, I would go on the

move. " _________________________________________________ Jon Rappoport interview

of ex vaccine researcher Jon Rappoport Q: You were once certain that vaccines

were the hallmark of good medicine. Dr. Mark Randall A: Yes I was. I helped

develop a few vaccines.

I won't say which ones. Q: Why not? A: I want to preserve my privacy. Q: So you

think you could have problems if you came out into the open? A: I believe I

could lose my pension. Q: On what grounds? A: The grounds don't matter. These

people have ways of causing you problems, when you were once part of the Club.

I know one or two people who were put under surveillance, who were harassed. Q:

Harassed by whom? A: The FBI. Q: Really? A: Sure. The FBI used other pretexts.

And the IRS can come calling too. Q: So much for free speech. A: I was " part of

the inner circle. " If now I began to name names and make specific accusations

against researchers, I could be in a world of trouble. Q: What is at the bottom

of these efforts at harassment? A: Vaccines are the last defense of modern

medicine. Vaccines are the ultimate justification for the overall " brilliance "

of modern medicine. Q: Do you believe that people should be allowed to choose

whether they should

get vaccines? A: On a political level, yes. On a scientific level, people need

information, so that they can choose well. It's one thing to say choice is

good. But if the atmosphere is full of lies, how can you choose? Also, if the

FDA were run by honorable people, these vaccines would not be granted licenses.

They would be investigated to within an inch of their lives. Q: There are

medical historians who state that the overall decline of illnesses was not due

to vaccines. A: I know. For a long time, I ignored their work. Q: Why? A:

Because I was afraid of what I would find out. I was in the business of

developing vaccines. My livelihood depended on continuing that work. Q: And

then? A: I did my own investigation. Q: What conclusions did you come to? A: The

decline of disease is due to improved living conditions. Q: What conditions? A:

Cleaner water. Advanced sewage systems. Nutrition. Fresher food. A decrease

in poverty. Germs may be

everywhere, but when you are healthy, you don't contract the diseases as

easily. Q: What did you feel when you completed your own investigation? A:

Despair. I realized I was working a sector based on a collection of lies. Q:

Are some vaccines more dangerous than others? A: Yes. The DPT shot, for example.

The MMR. But some lots of a vaccine are more dangerous than other lots of the

same vaccine. As far as I'm concerned, all vaccines are dangerous. Q: Why? A:

Several reasons. They involve the human immune system in a process that tends

to compromise immunity. They can actually cause the disease they are supposed

to prevent. They can cause other diseases than the ones they are supposed to

prevent. Q: Why are we quoted statistics which seem to prove that vaccines have

been tremendously successful at wiping out diseases? A: Why? To give the

illusion that these vaccines are useful. If a vaccine suppresses visible

symptoms of a disease like measles,

everyone assumes that the vaccine is a success. But, under the surface, the

vaccine can harm the immune system itself. And if it causes other diseases –

say, meningitis – that fact is masked, because no one believes that the

vaccine can do that. The connection is overlooked. Q: It is said that the

smallpox vaccine wiped out smallpox in England. A: Yes. But when you study the

available statistics, you get another picture. Q: Which is? A: There were cities

in England where people who were not vaccinated did not get smallpox. There

were places where people who were vaccinated experienced smallpox epidemics.

And smallpox was already on the decline before the vaccine was introduced. Q: So

you're saying that we have been treated to a false history. A: Yes. That's

exactly what I'm saying. This is a history that has been cooked up to convince

people that vaccines are invariably safe and effective. Q: Now, you worked in

labs. Where purity was an

issue. A: The public believes that these labs, these manufacturing facilities

are the cleanest places in the world. That is not true. Contamination occurs

all the time. You get all sorts of debris introduced into vaccines. Q: For

example, the SV40 monkey virus slips into the polio vaccine. A: Well yes, that

happened. But that's not what I mean. The SV40 got into the polio vaccine

because the vaccine was made by using monkey kidneys. But I'm talking about

something else. The actual lab conditions. The mistakes. The careless errors.

SV40, which was later found in cancer tumors – that was what I would call a

structural problem. It was an accepted part of the manufacturing process. If

you use monkey kidneys, you open the door to germs which you don't know are in

those kidneys. Q: Okay, but let's ignore that distinction between different

types of contaminants for a moment. What contaminants did you find in your many

years of work with

vaccines? A: All right. I'll give you some of what I came across, and I'll

also give you what colleagues of mine found. Here's a partial list. In the

Rimavex measles vaccine, we found various chicken viruses. In polio vaccine, we

found acanthamoeba, which is a so-called " brain-eating " amoeba. Simian

cytomegalovirus in polio vaccine. Simian foamy virus in the rotavirus vaccine.

Bird-cancer viruses in the MMR vaccine. Various micro-organisms in the anthrax

vaccine. I've found potentially dangerous enzyme inhibitors in several

vaccines. Duck, dog, and rabbit viruses in the rubella vaccine. Avian leucosis

virus in the flu vaccine. Pestivirus in the MMR vaccine. Q: Let me get this

straight. These are all contaminants which don't belong in the vaccines. A:

That's right. And if you try to calculate what damage these contaminants can

cause, well, we don't really know, because no testing has been done, or very

little testing. It's a game of

roulette. You take your chances. Also, most people don't know that some polio

vaccines, adenovirus vaccines, rubella and hep A and measles vaccines have been

made with aborted human fetal tissue. I have found what I believed were

bacterial fragments and poliovirus in these vaccines from time to time – which

may have come from that fetal tissue. When you look for contaminants in

vaccines, you can come up with material that IS puzzling. You know it shouldn't

be there, but you don't know exactly what you've got. I have found what I

believed was a very small " fragment " of human hair and also human mucus. I have

found what can only be called " foreign protein, " which could mean almost

anything. It could mean protein from viruses. Q: Alarm bells are ringing all

over the place. A: How do you think I felt? Remember, this material is going

into the bloodstream without passing through some of the ordinary immune

defenses. Q: How were your findings

received? A: Basically, it was, don't worry, this can't be helped. In making

vaccines, you use various animals' tissue, and that's where this kind of

contamination enters in. Of course, I'm not even mentioning the standard

chemicals like formaldehyde, mercury, and aluminum which are purposely put into

vaccines. Q: This information is pretty staggering. A: Yes. And I'm just

mentioning some of the biological contaminants. Who knows how many others there

are? Others we don't find because we don't think to look for them. If tissue

from, say, a bird is used to make a vaccine, how many possible germs can be in

that tissue? We have no idea. We have no idea what they might be, or what

effects they could have on humans. Q: And beyond the purity issue? A: You are

dealing with the basic faulty premise about vaccines. That they intricately

stimulate the immune system to create the conditions for immunity from disease.

That is the bad premise. It doesn't

work that way. A vaccine is supposed to " create " antibodies which, indirectly,

offer protection against disease. However, the immune system is much larger and

more involved than antibodies and their related " killer cells. " Q: The immune

system is? A: The entire body, really. Plus the mind. It's all immune system,

you might say. That is why you can have, in the middle of an epidemic, those

individuals who remain healthy. Q: So the level of general health is important.

A: More than important. Vital. Q: How are vaccine statistics falsely presented?

A: There are many ways. For example, suppose that 25 people who have received

the hepatitis B vaccine come down with hepatitis. Well, hep B is a liver

disease. But you can call liver disease many things. You can change the

diagnosis. Then, you've concealed the root cause of the problem. Q: And that

happens? A: All the time. It HAS to happen, if the doctors automatically assume

that people who get

vaccines DO NOT come down with the diseases they are now supposed to be

protected from. And that is exactly what doctors assume. You see, it's

circular reasoning. It's a closed system. It admits no fault. No possible

fault. If a person who gets a vaccine against hepatitis gets hepatitis, or gets

some other disease, the automatic assumption is, this had nothing to do with the

vaccine. Q: In your years working in the vaccine establishment, how many doctors

did you encounter who admitted that vaccines were a problem? A: None. There

were a few who privately questioned what they were doing. But they would never

go public, even within their companies. Q: What was the turning point for you?

A: I had a friend whose baby died after a DPT shot. Q: Did you investigate? A:

Yes, informally. I found that this baby was completely healthy before the

vaccination. There was no reason for his death, except the vaccine. That

started my doubts. Of course, I

wanted to believe that the baby had gotten a bad shot from a bad lot. But as I

looked into this further, I found that was not the case in this instance. I was

being drawn into a spiral of doubt that increased over time. I continued to

investigate. I found that, contrary to what I thought, vaccines are not tested

in a scientific way. Q: What do you mean? A: For example, no long-term studies

are done on any vaccines. Long-term follow-up is not done in any careful way.

Why? Because, again, the assumption is made that vaccines do not cause

problems. So why should anyone check? On top of that, a vaccine reaction is

defined so that all bad reactions are said to occur very soon after the shot is

given. But that does not make sense. Q: Why doesn't it make sense? A: Because

the vaccine obviously acts in the body for a long period of time after it is

given. A reaction can be gradual. Deterioration can be gradual. Neurological

problems can develop over

time. They do in various conditions, even according to a conventional

analysis. So why couldn't that be the case with vaccines? If chemical

poisoning can occur gradually, why couldn't that be the case with a vaccine

which contains mercury? Q: And that is what you found? A: Yes. You are dealing

with correlations, most of the time. Correlations are not perfect. But if you

get 500 parents whose children have suffered neurological damage during a

one-year period after having a vaccine, this should be sufficient to spark off

an intense investigation. Q: Has it been enough? A: No. Never. This tells you

something right away. Q: Which is? A: The people doing the investigation are not

really interested in looking at the facts. They assume that the vaccines are

safe. So, when they do investigate, they invariably come up with exonerations

of the vaccines. They say, " This vaccine is safe. " But what do they base those

judgments on? They base them on

definitions and ideas which automatically rule out a condemnation of the

vaccine. Q: There are numerous cases where a vaccine campaign has failed. Where

people have come down with the disease against which they were vaccinated. A:

Yes, there are many such instances. And there the evidence is simply ignored.

It's discounted. The experts say, if they say anything at all, that this is just

an isolated situation, but overall the vaccine has been shown to be safe. But

if you add up all the vaccine campaigns where damage and disease have occurred,

you realize that these are NOT isolated situations. Q: Did you ever discuss what

we are talking about here with colleagues, when you were still working in the

vaccine establishment? A: Yes I did. Q: What happened? A: Several times I was

told to keep quiet. It was made clear that I should go back to work and forget

my misgivings. On a few occasions, I encountered fear. Colleagues tried to

avoid me. They felt

they could be labeled with " guilt by association " . All in all, though, I

behaved myself. I made sure I didn't create problems for myself. Q: If vaccines

actually do harm, why are they given? A: First of all, there is no " if " . They

do harm. It becomes a more difficult question to decide whether they do harm in

those people who seem to show no harm. Then you are dealing with the kind of

research which should be done, but isn't. Researchers should be probing to

discover a kind of map, or flow chart, which shows exactly what vaccines do in

the body from the moment they enter. This research has not been done. As to

why they are given, we could sit here for two days and discuss all the reasons.

As you've said many times, at different layers of the system people have their

motives. Money, fear of losing a job, the desire to win brownie points,

prestige, awards, promotion, misguided idealism, unthinking habit, and so on.

But, at the highest levels of

the medical cartel, vaccines are a top priority because they cause a weakening

of the immune system. I know that may be hard to accept, but it's true. The

medical cartel, at the highest level, is not out to help people, it is out to

harm them, to weaken them. To kill them. At one point in my career, I had a

long conversation with a man who occupied a high government position in an

African nation. He told me that he was well aware of this. He told me that WHO

is a front for these depopulation interests. There is an underground, shall we

say, in Africa, made up of various officials who are earnestly trying to change

the lot of the poor. This network of people knows what is going on. They know

that vaccines have been used, and are being used, to destroy their countries, to

make them ripe for takeover by globalist powers I have had the opportunity to

speak with several of these people from this network. Q: Is Thabo Mbeki, the

president of South

Africa, aware of the situation? A: I would say he is partially aware. Perhaps

he is not utterly convinced, but he is on the way to realizing the whole truth.

He already knows that HIV is a hoax. He knows that the AIDS drugs are poisons

which destroy the immune system. He also knows that if he speaks out, in any

way, about the vaccine issue, he will be branded a lunatic. He has enough

trouble after his stand on the AIDS issue. Q: This network you speak of. A: It

has accumulated a huge amount of information about vaccines. The question is,

how is a successful strategy going to be mounted? For these people, that is a

difficult issue. Q: And in the industrialized nations? A: The medical cartel has

a stranglehold, but it is diminishing. Mainly because people have the freedom

to question medicines. However, if the choice issue [the right to take or

reject any medicine] does not gather steam, these coming mandates about vaccines

against biowarefare

germs are going to win out. This is an important time. Q: The furor over the

hepatits B vaccine seems one good avenue. A: I think so, yes. To say that

babies must have the vaccine-and then in the next breath, admitting that a

person gets hep B from sexual contacts and shared needles – is a ridiculous

juxtaposition. Medical authorities try to cover themselves by saying that 20,000

or so children in the US get hep B every year from " unknown causes, " and that's

why every baby must have the vaccine. I dispute that 20,000 figure and the

so-called studies that back it up. Q: Wakefield, the British MD who

uncovered the link between the MMR vaccine and autism, has just been fired from

his job in a London hospital. A: Yes. Wakefield performed a great service. His

correlations between the vaccine and autism are stunning. Perhaps you know that

Tony Blair's wife is involved with alternative health. There is the possibility

that their child has not

been given the MMR. Blair recently side-stepped the question in press

interviews, and made it seem that he was simply objecting to invasive

questioning of his " personal and family life. " In any event, I believe his wife

has been muzzled. I think, if given the chance, she would at least say she is

sympathetic to all the families who have come forward and stated that their

children were severely damaged by the MMR. Q: British reporters should try to

get through to her. A: They have been trying. But I think she has made a deal

with her husband to keep quiet, no matter what. She could do a great deal of

good if she breaks her promise. I have been told she is under pressure, and not

just from her husband. At the level she occupies, MI6 and British health

authorities get into the act. It is thought of as a matter of national

security. Q: Well, it is national security, once you understand the medical

cartel. A: It is global security. The cartel

operates in every nation. It zealously guards the sanctity of vaccines.

Questioning these vaccines is on the same level as a Vatican bishop questioning

the sanctity of the sacrament of the Eucharist in the Catholic Church. Q: I know

that a Hollywood celebrity stating publicly that he will not take a vaccine is

committing career suicide. A: Hollywood is linked very powerfully to the medical

cartel. There are several reasons, but one of them is simply that an actor who

is famous can draw a huge amount of publicity if he says ANYTHING. In 1992, I

was present at your demonstration against the FDA in downtown Los Angeles. One

or two actors spoke against the FDA. Since that time, you would be hard pressed

to find an actor who has spoken out in any way against the medical cartel. Q:

Within the National Institutes of Health, what is the mood, what is the basic

frame of mind? A: People are competing for research monies. The last thing they

think about is

challenging the status quo. They are already in an intramural war for that

money. They don't need more trouble. This is a very insulated system. It

depends on the idea that, by and large, modern medicine is very successful on

every frontier. To admit systemic problems in any area is to cast doubt on the

whole enterprise. You might therefore think that NIH is the last place one

should think about holding demonstrations. But just the reverse is true. If

five thousand people showed up there demanding an accounting of the actual

benefits of that research system, demanding to know what real health benefits

have been conferred on the public from the billions of wasted dollars funneled

to that facility, something might start. A spark might go off. You might get,

with further demonstrations, all sorts of fall-out. Researchers – a few –

might start leaking information. Q: A good idea. A: People in suits standing as

close to the buildings as the

police will allow. People in business suits, in jogging suits, mothers and

babies. Well-off people. Poor people. All sorts of people. Q: What about the

combined destructive power of a number of vaccines given to babies these days?

A: It is a travesty and a crime. There are no real studies of any depth which

have been done on that. Again, the assumption is made that vaccines are safe,

and therefore any number of vaccines given together are safe as well. But the

truth is, vaccines are not safe. Therefore the potential damage increases when

you give many of them in a short time period. Q: Then we have the fall flu

season. A: Yes. As if only in the autumn do these germs float in to the US from

Asia. The public swallows that premise. If it happens in April, it is a bad

cold. If it happens in October, it is the flu. Q: Do you regret having worked

all those years in the vaccine field? A: Yes. But after this interview, I'll

regret it a little less.

And I work in other ways. I give out information to certain people, when I

think they will use it well. Q: What is one thing you want the public to

understand? A: That the burden of proof in establishing the safety and efficacy

of vaccines is on the people who manufacture and license them for public use.

Just that. The burden of proof is not on you or me. And for proof you need

well-designed long-term studies. You need extensive follow-up. You need to

interview mothers and pay attention to what mothers say about their babies and

what happens to them after vaccination. You need all these things. The things

that are not there. Q: The things that are not there. A: Yes. Q: To avoid any

confusion, I'd like you to review, once more, the disease problems that vaccines

can cause. Which diseases, how that happens. A: We are basically talking about

two potential harmful outcomes. One, the person gets the disease from the

vaccine. He gets the disease

which the vaccine is supposed to protect him from. Because, some version of

the disease is in the vaccine to begin with. Or two, he doesn't get THAT

disease, but at some later time, maybe right away, maybe not, he develops

another condition which is caused by the vaccine. That condition could be

autism, what's called autism, or it could be some other disease like meningitis.

He could become mentally disabled. Q: Is there any way to compare the relative

frequency of these different outcomes? A: No. Because the follow-up is poor.

We can only guess. If you ask, out of a population of a hundred thousand

children who get a measles vaccine, how many get the measles, and how many

develop other problems from the vaccine, there is a no reliable answer. That is

what I'm saying. Vaccines are superstitions. And with superstitions, you don't

get facts you can use. You only get stories, most of which are designed to

enforce the superstition. But, from many

vaccine campaigns, we can piece together a narrative that does reveal some very

disturbing things. People have been harmed. The harm is real, and it can be

deep and it can mean death. The harm is NOT limited to a few cases, as we have

been led to believe. In the US, there are groups of mothers who are testifying

about autism and childhood vaccines. They are coming forward and standing up at

meetings. They are essentially trying to fill in the gap that has been created

by the researchers and doctors who turn their backs on the whole thing. Q: Let

me ask you this. If you took a child in, say, Boston and you raised that child

with good nutritious food and he exercised every day and he was loved by his

parents, and he didn't get the measles vaccine, what would be his health status

compared with the average child in Boston who eats poorly and watches five hours

of TV a day and gets the measles vaccine? A: Of course there are many factors

involved, but

I would bet on the better health status for the first child. If he gets

measles, if he gets it when he is nine, the chances are it will be much lighter

than the measles the second child might get. I would bet on the first child

every time. Q: How long did you work with vaccines? A: A long time. Longer than

ten years. Q: Looking back now, can you recall any good reason to say that

vaccines are successful? A: No, I can't. If I had a child now, the last thing I

would allow is vaccination. I would move out of the state if I had to. I would

change the family name. I would disappear. With my family. I'm not saying it

would come to that. There are ways to sidestep the system with grace, if you

know how to act. There are exemptions you can declare, in every state, based on

religious and/or philosophic views. But if push came to shove, I would go on the

move. Q: And yet there are children everywhere who do get vaccines and appear to

be healthy. A: The

operative word is " appear " . What about all the children who can't focus on

their studies? What about the children who have tantrums from time to time?

What about the children who are not quite in possession of all their mental

faculties? I know there are many causes for these things, but vaccines are one

cause. I would not take the chance. I see no reason to take the chance. And

frankly, I see no reason to allow the government to have the last word.

Government medicine is, from my experience, often a contradiction in terms. You

get one or the other, but not both. Q: So we come to the level playing field. A:

Yes. Allow those who want the vaccines to take them. Allow the dissidents to

decline to take them. But, as I said earlier, there is no level playing field

if the field is strewn with lies. And when babies are involved, you have

parents making all the decisions. Those parents need a heavy dose of truth.

What about the child I spoke of

who died from the DPT shot? What information did his parents act on? I can

tell you it was heavily weighted. It was not real information. Q: Medical PR

people, in concert with the press, scare the hell out of parents with dire

scenarios about what will happen if their kids don't get shots. A: They make it

seem a crime to refuse the vaccine. They equate it with bad parenting. You

fight that with better information. It is always a challenge to buck the

authorities. And only you can decide whether to do it. It is every person's

responsibility to make up his mind. The medical cartel likes that bet. It is

betting that the fear will

win._________________________________________________________________ Dr. Mark

Randall is the pseudonym of a vaccine researcher who worked for many years in

the labs of major pharmaceutical houses and the US government's National

Institutes of Health. Mark retired during the last decade. He says he was

" disgusted with

what he discovered about vaccines. " Page 10 – Jon Rappoport interview of ex

vaccine researcher As you know, since the beginning of nomorefakenews, I have

been launching an attack against non-scientific and dangerous assertions about

the safety and efficacy of vaccines. Mark has been one of my sources. He is a

little reluctant to speak out, even under the cover of anonymity, but with the

current push to make vaccines mandatory – with penalties like quarantine

lurking in the wings – he has decided to break his silence. He lives

comfortably in retirement, but like many of my long-time sources, he has

developed a conscience about his former work. Mark is well aware of the scope

of the medical cartel and its goals of depopulation, mind control, and general

debilitation of populations. http://www.whale.to/v/rapp.html

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