Re: Re:Bacterian and Yeast are going up despite treatments?

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We've had a lot of luck fighting bacteria with Phytobiotic (formerly Berberine Complex). You can purchase it from Lee Silsby Pharmacy. It's a natural and contains goldenseal, grapeseed and berberine. We've done antibiotics in the past but nothing has worked like the phyto. Re. yeast, we've done a modified version of Brainchild's yeast fighting protocol w/success. They have some great yeast fighters. The garlic is especially powerful. Unfortunately, my son has an allergy. We're also using a combo-capsule from Kirkmans called GastroImmune that has turmeric, cat's claw, slippery elm bark, licorice. We're up to 3 capsules per day. I believe it's supposed to be for pathogens. In my opinion, if your yeast and bacteria are off the charts, your regimen is not aggressive enough but you can treat w/naturals if you prefer. I'm not saying not to try Valtrex but it can cause some serious yeast and/or bacteria flare-ups, so you want to have a very strong protocol in place first and you definitely don't want your #'s high to start with.

-----Original Message-----From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ]On Behalf Of Ambitionn01@...Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 6:31 PMTo: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re:Bacterian and Yeast are going up despite treatments?

Everything looks good for supporting the body, but where are your pathogen-killers? You have to kill them with something, not just make the body work better. Pathogens eat these types of things, that is why we are low in them. Thus, feeding them without killing them, will not rid them. Its ok to feed them if you are killing them because they will come out of hiding to be killed. But, to speed things up, you also need to kill them directly. I prefer herbs, but you can use prescription things, HBOT, or whatever suits your fancy. Treat for worms, bacteria, protozoa and viruses. I see most getting success from treating bad bacteria, but every little bit can help.

Heidi N

Hi, My ds just turned 3, and has a diagnoses of asd. Six months ago we started him on GFCF low oxolate diet, MB12 shots twice a week, VLS3 probiotics for extremely high levels of yeast and bacteria, folinic acid, super nu thera, and vitamin C. We just re-did his organic oat test a few weeks ago. His oxolate levels are improving great, and most of his markers (high pyrimidines, etc.) have come down. But, his levels of yeast and bacteria have nearly doubled, along with higher neurotransmitters, and a high Krebs cycle. Our dan has prescribed sachromeyeces (sp?), every other day MB12 instead of twice a week, and has ordered some blood testing. I'm wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this course of treatment, if it makes sense (Since I've never seen sachromeyeces used in my reading), and wonder if anyone knows why/how his yeast/bacteria could go up so much in spite of all these treatments. Is Sachromeyeces sufficient usually for dealing with extremely high levels like this?I have asked for Valtrex, due to my extensive crazy history with cold sores and viruses, but she wants to get the blood work done first. Any comments? Does this course of action sound right? I trust our DAN, but can't help but wonder if things are being done too slowly. I know it's not a race, but seeing higher levels than we started with has me worried. She definitely prefers natural healing as apposed to prescriptions (She is an MD though), which is fine with me, but then again would prescriptions work faster/better in this instance?

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Here is a link to various sites where you can buy phytobiotic. This is what we use and it works amazingly well. Straight Goldenseal (an ingredient in this product) is also quite effective and can be purchased at the health food store.

http://www.nextag.com/phytobiotic/stores-html

VSL3 is a probiotic (good bacteria). It can help w/bad bacteria by crowding it out w/the good guys but that's not always the case. My son has always needed an antibacterial, antifungals and probiotics.

Brainchild has a great yeast/candida program. It's all naturals. You don't have to follow it exactly. I find it works better than nystatin. We have used Diflucan also but it's pretty harsh on my boys systems. The naturals in Brainchilds program are fairly gentle and effective. We can rotate and tolerate them vs. Diflucan which my kids can only take for a couple of weeks at a time

-----Original Message-----From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ]On Behalf Of sarahdrlaurenSent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 12:16 PMTo: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re:Bacterian and Yeast are going up despite treatments?

Hmmm...... I guess I was under the impression from our DAN that the sachromeyeces was to deal with the yeast issue, and that the vls3 would deal with the bacteria (although it hasn't yet in almost six months of using it). This is the hard part, since our DAN is a couple of hours away and the cost of seeing her is too much to keep going back everytime I second guess something, which is just about all the time:)For those of you who have suggested getting something to deal with the bacteria, what are you using? I tried looking up the pyrobiotic someone mentioned, but couldn't find it on the website. Is there something else I could try that wouldn't cause problems/interact with the other supplements he's already on?And, as for yeast has anyone used sachromeyeces? )(sp?) will this help tackle the yeast, or should I be pushing for some prescriptions? I believe part of the blood testing is to test liver function before prescribing antivirals. We were using Threelac for a while, but the DAN wanted us to discontinue that since she says one of the strains in it is prone to overgrowth. So, now we aren't really doing anything for yeast besides the sachromeyeces. I know that he has high clostridia levels, but I can't find any info on what exactly the sachromeyeces is going to deal with. The DAN just said it would help yeast, but not which forms of it. I've thought about adding culturelle, but don't know if that's a good idea with the other probiotics he's on. The levels he has that are high are:citramalic 3 (highest normal range 2)3-oxogluataric 5.26 (high normal .5)arabinose 297.89 (high normal 47)HPHPA 1057.73 (Highest normal range 150)Ugh, I hate this. I want to do more, instead of waiting for the DAN to tell us what to do, but I am no doctor and want my ds to be safe.

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What strains of bad bacteria? We use sac b for yeast control. Our Dan told me

probiotics dont really get rid of bad bacteria but are important to replace when

doing so ( ridding the bad ) also most probiotics dont stay and need to be used

every day. They do help in many areas. I can give you ideas on naturals for bad

bacteria if you know the strains. We have had almost every one here with my son.

He is not a yeast kid but for sure bacteria is main gut problem.

L 38 and Mom to threeTasha 23..new Mommy ( means I am a Grammy )Casey-Mae 13..sweet as pieElijah 2.. ASD and beautiful

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2008 12:15:30 PMSubject: Re:Bacterian and Yeast are going up despite treatments?

Hmmm...... I guess I was under the impression from our DAN that the sachromeyeces was to deal with the yeast issue, and that the vls3 would deal with the bacteria (although it hasn't yet in almost six months of using it). This is the hard part, since our DAN is a couple of hours away and the cost of seeing her is too much to keep going back everytime I second guess something, which is just about all the time:)For those of you who have suggested getting something to deal with the bacteria, what are you using? I tried looking up the pyrobiotic someone mentioned, but couldn't find it on the website. Is there something else I could try that wouldn't cause problems/interact with the other supplements he's already on?And, as for yeast has anyone used sachromeyeces? )(sp?) will this help tackle the yeast, or should I be pushing for some prescriptions? I believe part of the blood testing is

to test liver function before prescribing antivirals. We were using Threelac for a while, but the DAN wanted us to discontinue that since she says one of the strains in it is prone to overgrowth. So, now we aren't really doing anything for yeast besides the sachromeyeces. I know that he has high clostridia levels, but I can't find any info on what exactly the sachromeyeces is going to deal with. The DAN just said it would help yeast, but not which forms of it. I've thought about adding culturelle, but don't know if that's a good idea with the other probiotics he's on. The levels he has that are high are:citramalic 3 (highest normal range 2)3-oxogluataric 5.26 (high normal .5)arabinose 297.89 (high normal 47)HPHPA 1057.73 (Highest normal range 150)Ugh, I hate this. I want to do more, instead of waiting for the DAN to tell us what to do, but I am no doctor and want my ds to be

safe.

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OLE did a lot for us to fight bacteria. We're also doing SCD. Have you tried any diet?

Re:Bacterian and Yeast are going up despite treatments?

Hmmm...... I guess I was under the impression from our DAN that the

sachromeyeces was to deal with the yeast issue, and that the vls3

would deal with the bacteria (although it hasn't yet in almost six

months of using it).

This is the hard part, since our DAN is a couple of hours away and

the cost of seeing her is too much to keep going back everytime I

second guess something, which is just about all the time:)

For those of you who have suggested getting something to deal with

the bacteria, what are you using? I tried looking up the pyrobiotic

someone mentioned, but couldn't find it on the website. Is there

something else I could try that wouldn't cause problems/interact with

the other supplements he's already on?

And, as for yeast has anyone used sachromeyeces? )(sp?) will this

help tackle the yeast, or should I be pushing for some prescriptions?

I believe part of the blood testing is to test liver function before

prescribing antivirals. We were using Threelac for a while, but the

DAN wanted us to discontinue that since she says one of the strains

in it is prone to overgrowth. So, now we aren't really doing anything

for yeast besides the sachromeyeces. I know that he has high

clostridia levels, but I can't find any info on what exactly the

sachromeyeces is going to deal with. The DAN just said it would help

yeast, but not which forms of it. I've thought about adding

culturelle, but don't know if that's a good idea with the other

probiotics he's on.

The levels he has that are high are:

citramalic 3 (highest normal range 2)

3-oxogluataric 5.26 (high normal .5)

arabinose 297.89 (high normal 47)

HPHPA 1057.73 (Highest normal range 150)

Ugh, I hate this. I want to do more, instead of waiting for the DAN

to tell us what to do, but I am no doctor and want my ds to be safe.

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